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Offline John Walker

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9250 on: November 30, 2023, 03:31:37 PM »
I wonder what caused the odour at the mill in Milton? 

I worked at Chartham Paper Mill and I don't recall any odour coming from there.  The mill produced tracing and greaseproof papers and was partly built over the River Stour.

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« Reply #9249 on: November 30, 2023, 03:26:17 PM »
The “effluent from the paper mill” gave Milton Creek a particularly strong obnoxious odour, especially in hot weather.

I travelled to school by bus and the stink could be horrendous even at the bus stop on the A2 at Chalkwell Road in 1958 and the good summer of 1959.
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« Reply #9248 on: November 30, 2023, 02:37:30 PM »
Milton (aka Middletune [Mid-le-tun-e] or the middle town) was historically far more important than Sittingbourne.  The Isles  of Sheppey and Elmley fell within its manor (though Harty belonged to Faversham).  Milton boasted a Portreve which meant that international trade could be carried out.  The "Regis" of course means "King's", in other words the manor of Milton was a royal manor, the steward reporting directly to the King, not to a local Lord.  In Elizabethan times Sittingbourne was knwon chiefly for its inns along the Watling Street.  Gentlemen travelling along the Watling Street would lodge their servants in Sittingbourne, but themselves adjourne to Milton where the lodgings were of better quality.

The came the railway.  Milton is on a hilltop, surrounded historically by marshes, not ideal for railway building.  There was also local opposition to the building of the line.  the line therefore followed the route of Watling Street, and hence the station and goods yard were at Sittingbourne.  Industry grew up around the railway, and housing around the industry.  Milton went into gentile decline, aided by the siltting up of the creek by effluent from the paper mills.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9247 on: November 30, 2023, 02:05:06 PM »
Older records will use Milton rather than Sittingbourne for location.

I’m not sure if the subtle encroachment was just natural expansion or driven by the Post Office, such as Teynham now used for Green Street, which is the A2 area. Of course  New Brompton became engulfed by Gillingham, which also has crept out to Rainham and the other villages at the insistence of the postal service.
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« Reply #9246 on: November 30, 2023, 01:55:40 PM »
Thanks MartinR.  I trust you are feeling better now.
That is certainly an interesting church.  I've just looked it up on GSV and the tower looks enormous on there.
I always find Milton difficult to identify as it seems to have been suffocated by an ever-expanding Sittingbourne.

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« Reply #9245 on: November 30, 2023, 12:54:09 PM »
Right, a bit more information about Milton church.

The cross above the legend "Grave Yard" indicates an antiquity.  In this case Roman remains have been found in the graveyard.  The church itself incorporates Roman work.  It is reputed to have been a pagan religious site before the Christians took over, but I've not found any hard evidence to support that.  However a large stone near the entrance to the church is reputed to be a pagan altar stone.

The church is the third oldest in Kent, dating from a few years after the coming of St. Augustine in 597.  Local claims are that is was actually founded by Augustine.  The original part of the church is now the nave.  the church was extended in the 11th and 14th centuries.  Locals will inform you that when the church was being extended it was decided to move it into the centre of the village which had itself moved to higher ground.  The tale continues that each time a stone was moved from the church to the village, it magically went back over night.  Augustine had had decided where the church would be, and he would make sure it stayed there!

The tower is the largest in Kent, and the third largest in England in girth.  The ringing chamber is 25' square, and the walls are 4' thick.  At 78' high is is not exceptional, but the Ordnance Survey established a trig point at the top of the tower.  There are 8 bells (tenor 9-2-24 in G).  Bells 4-7 were cast in 1681, the tenor in 1890.  The number 3 bell was a gift by J Dixon Esq in 1934 in memory of four local ringers killed in WWI.  Bells 1 and 2 were cast in 2019.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9244 on: November 29, 2023, 12:49:46 PM »
You've got it John.  More details about the church will follow when I feel a little better.

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« Reply #9243 on: November 29, 2023, 01:09:59 AM »
Found it.  Trinity Church, Milton.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9242 on: November 28, 2023, 11:54:56 PM »
Struggling with this one - still searching.  :)

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9241 on: November 28, 2023, 05:39:41 PM »
Head north.

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« Reply #9240 on: November 28, 2023, 02:09:39 PM »
I knew these would come back to haunt me   :-\

Heights removed, lots of orchards and drainage (?) ditch and pond.

Mid Kent?
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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9239 on: November 27, 2023, 09:11:14 PM »
Try this map one:

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« Reply #9238 on: November 27, 2023, 07:26:19 PM »
Spot on MartinR and thanks for the information, over to you........

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9237 on: November 27, 2023, 02:36:41 PM »
I think that's Holly Hill Tower, Hernhill, Kent.  Very nearly invisible on GSV, but clear on the pre-WWI 25" OS map.
  • National Grid Ref: TR 07651 60604
  • co-ords:                51.306655, 0.977767

A bit about it at: https://thefollyflaneuse.com/holly-hill-tower-hernhill-kent/

Official listing at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1107173?section=official-list-entry.  From the quick reference map it is clear that the tower is near the summit or a ridge of Holly Hill with the land falling away to the north and to the west.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #9236 on: November 26, 2023, 11:38:17 PM »
On a "Hill".........