Guess the Place

[MartinR]

I've found another mother/daughter pair.  St Bridget of Sweden (c. 1303 – 23 July 1373) was the mother of St Catherine of Sweden (c. 1332 – 24 March 1381).  Mum founded the religious order of the Most Holy Saviour, or the Bridgettines with daughter taking over on her death.  So - do I need to start searching for a St Bridget's or St Catherine's church?

[MartinR]

Two possibilities that I've found:

• St. Anna and her daughter St. Mary (the mother of Jesus) at the temple gate.
• St Sophia and one of her daughters (Ss Faith, Hope and Charity) with an unidentified bishop.

I'm inclined towards the former since you mentioned "Namewise, it appears to be quite complicated and varies depending on which religion".  In Islam she is Hannah and her daughter Maryam who was mother of Isa.

Right, really long shot based on (1) most of your GTPs are in the Canterbury/Thanet area; (2) I'm guessing the bodies of water could be the Thames estuary and the North Sea; (3) it looks rather RCish rather than Cof E or Free Church; (4) The only St. Anne's I can find is in Margate.  So my guess is:

• Church:                     St Anne's RC.
• Address:                    Eastern Esplanade
• Nat Grid:                    TR 36974 71221
• Nearest Post Code:   CT9 3AA
• Co-ords (WGS84):     51°23'26"N,001°24'17"E or 51.390515,1.404772

[John Walker]

I must admit that I'm not well up on the religious side of this but if I have read and understood correctly, the daughter was also a saint. Namewise, it appears to be quite complicated and varies depending on which religion.  I'll be very interested to read replies from those of you with more knowledge on this subject once the location has been correctly guessed.

I'm better at answering questions about the place ie. chapel and the location.

Location Clue: Near two lots of water.

[MartinR]

Is the daughter also a saint?  Generally only saints and the Holy Family are nimbate.

[John Walker]

Hello, Jackie from me as well.  I hope you enjoy 'Guess the Place' as much as we do.  It's amazing how much of Kent's history we learn from Guess the Place.

I will add more clues until someone guesses it correctly and then they can add a photo of their own for us to guess.

Clue: The child with the Halo is the Daughter of the Saint who is also female.  This chapel is named after the saint.

[grandarog]

Welcome Jackie Paper, our first new comer to Guess The Place in ages.Good luck searching and please stay with us.♥

[Jackie Paper]

Ah. Stumped.

[John Walker]

The child is female 🙂

[Jackie Paper]

Intriguing. Trying to think who the woman and child both with a halo could be in that case.
Elizabeth and John the Baptist?
A bit of googling finds another saintly mum and son duo in St Monica and St Augustine - any warmer?     

[John Walker]

I can tell you that it's not Jesus that is depicted here.

[MartinR]

RC?

I assume that the scene depicted is Luke 2:41-49

41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover.
42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast.
43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother did not know it;
44 but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances.
45 So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him.
46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers.
48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”
49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?”

It can't be the Presentation since Jesus was only 40 days old at that point, and although often represented as a small adult rather than a babe, no artist would show him walking in!

[John Walker]

A shrine?

As far as I can find, it's listed as a chapel rather than a shrine.

[MartinR]

A shrine?

[John Walker]

Thanks, Beachbum - all very interesting.  Tunnels always seem to hold a fascination.

Right, here goes with the next GTP.

[Beachbum]

Yes John Walker, that top one is at the top of the stairs (in the image below) from the brick archway passage in the previous post.

The story was that they came out in the Granville Gardens, which lines up. The entrance was said to be along the side of Victoria Road. After a long search for a good image (Granville Gardens), there is nothing there? To put it at the back by Truro Road, makes no sense and I have processed the history of this plot from 1920-1970 with all sorts of uses.

45 years ago, a friend was caring for a former Police Sergeant in sandwich. He knew everything about the Tunnels. He said that it came out in the basement of the Granville Hotel. Best guess perhaps into the Ballroom (bombed out).

Nobody has actual proof of where it came out yet, so we all have an idea?

Final image is actual plan showing Tunnels and yellow marks for these two doors.

So until technology shows us more, we do not know (yet).