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Offline TheHomestead

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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2022, 09:18:33 PM »
The attached image is one of my favourites as it shows other houses and land features that are still there now.
I have also attached an image of the Homestead zoomed in and colourised to find some more details of the house about 100 years ago.
To the right of the Homestead is the Homestead cottage, which I only just realise now was probably a shop before it was a dwelling.   There are not enough windows for it to be a dwelling in this picture, but I do have census records that show people lived there. But at one point it must have been owned or run by the residents of the main house, as there is currently a bricked-up internal doorway in the main house, to what is now the neighbour's garden. 
The two attached extensions to the rear of the Homestead are now the kitchen and the downstairs bathroom.  In the picture there is a little chimney stack, this is currently the kitchen and the chimney is no longer there.  The extension to the right of the kitchen has been rebuilt since this image, but I suspect it was an outside toilet then, with only a small gap between the main building and the toilet building.  Based on the shadow, I suspect this little extension overlapped with the Homestead cottage/shop and was used by both buildings.
Another interesting point in the main image is the hill opposite the Homestead, known as Brakes Hill or Nab Hill.  In the image, it looks like there were steps the full length of the hill.  Anyone local will know that this path is still there, but it does not have any steps apart from a few at the bottom for the steepest bit near the road.

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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2022, 01:29:45 PM »
Many thanks for you comments TheHomestead and glad mine are of some use. Its always difficult to make predictions based on map evidence and a selection of period pics as these don't necessarily show as much detail as the actual building itself.


I agree that the large building to the west could have been a barn, as another look at the 1st Ed. map of the OS (1871) shows it unfilled suggesting it had a separate use to the farmhouse and the surrounding buildings. Also its plan suggests it possessed a midstrey (centrally projecting covered porch) typical of Kent barns and with an opening between two other rear structures in its rear wall. This would have allowed a laden wagon to entre from the main road where a central threshing floor would allow the crop to be separated and packaged ready for storage in one, or both ends of the barn or granary. The unladen wagon could then pass into the adjoining farmyard. Note to all: Always look for the differing sizes of doorways either side of a barn midstrey to see which side the full and empty cart would entre and exit. (full cart = large doors, empty cart = smaller doors)[size=78%]. [/size]


If you have evidence of a second door in the front wall of the property, there is every possibility the dwelling had been subdivided as happened with numerous larger farmhouses in the Kent countryside. To collaborate this look for evidence of an inserted 'second' staircase, or doubling up of internal feature where a household would only need one (site of a former bread oven, or water boiling copper). This subdivision may have been why a new lean-to was added to the western end of the property.


With regards to the original colour of the property, there is a strong possibility that when the faux timber frame was installed the timbers were painted black and the framed panels white. This would follow the tradition of the nineteenth century when the timbers of old buildings were painted in tar pitch as an act of preserving the decomposing timbers. The panels between were subsequently painted with lime based whitewash, this being very cheap and an effective method of weatherproofing a building as well as the lime acting as an insect repellent. There could also be a period closer to the modern day when colour would have been added to the exterior of a building, as well as during the medieval period when numerous buildings were painted externally in some very gaudy colours.


As for the dip in the roof, only an internal inspection could possibly say why this has occurred, thought the use of the wall ties (the two X shapes being attached to the ends to a pair of rods passing through the width of the building to stop the walls from splaying), though the fact they are present would suggest historic movement in the roof has pushed the walls out slightly requiring the installation of the wall ties. There should be other tie plates on the opposite ends on the rear wall also.


All in all a very interesting building. Feel free to ask more and I shall endeavour to answer.

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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2022, 08:33:20 PM »


Hi, I would like to respond to this great post from CAT before I add another picture.


Looking at early maps of the Ordnance Survey, it would appear this house, known as 'The Homestead' now, originally formed part of a small farm group with a larger dwelling to the southwest.
 

Based on the maps I have seen and discussions with local historians, we agree that the larger structure was likely to be a barn or cart-shed as it was directly adjacent to Princes Avenue (then Victoria Road).



This suggests the area of Walderslade was largely named after this farm.


This is correct, Walderslade Farm covered a very large area, but was broken up in the early 1900s and the area became known as Walderslade, with Walderslade village (with post-office and Chruch) nearby.



This appears to have been a double fronted building of the seventeenth century (central front door with rooms either side of a cross passage with a possible central stairway leading to the upper rooms, though a stair in a projecting rear structure is also possible.


There is a blocked-up doorway on the right too, maybe suggesting it was two homes at one point.



The new snowy image I have attached below I have been told is from 1947.  This picture is a photo of a photo, I would love to have a copy of the original.  Some points to note, the colour of the building is not white, in comparison to the colour of the snow. It makes me wonder what colour it was back then. The Homestead Cottage is single story, and appears to have an extension to the left which you can actually see in one of the postcard images I shared.  The front door has a porch/canopy, which can also be seen in the postcard image.  However, whereas the postcard image (from c.1928) has thick black fake timber frame paint, this image from 1947 does not.  The fake frame must have been painted over within the 20 years.

The second image from a similar period, (fake frame paint just about visible, and a porch/canopy), was shared by someone who lived in the house; this is them in the image.  In this image you can see the dip in the roof apex to the left and the two X-shaped wall anchor points above the left lower window.  All of which are still evident today.

This is all for now, I am running out of images.


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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2022, 10:55:46 PM »
There are some more photos of this area in the Walderslade Village thread.

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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2022, 02:41:04 PM »
Looking at early maps of the Ordnance Survey, it would appear this house, known as 'The Homestead' now, originally formed part of a small farm group with a larger dwelling to the southwest. There were several lesser structures linking the two dwellings, probably agricultural buildings associated with the farm, all of which was titled 'Walderslade'. This suggests the area of Walderslade was largely named after this farm. looking at later maps of the OS the larger dwelling disappears between 1897 and 1907 leaving the present Homestead dwelling standing. This appears to have been a double fronted building of the seventeenth century (central front door with rooms either side of a cross passage with a possible central stairway leading to the upper rooms, though a stair in a projecting rear structure is also possible. Originally a pair of chimney breasts either end of the main building would provide a fireplace in both the downstairs rooms and to those above). However, prior to 1897 a new property was constructed on the north-eastern end of the earlier dwelling, which from the earlier pics appears to have been two storey. This appears to have been reduced to a single storey and subsequently removed altogether as can be seen in one of the postcard pics. On the 4th Ed. map of the OS (1929) this building appears to have been separated in title from the main dwelling with a boundary separating not only the properties, but also the gardens. This boundary forms the present line between the dwelling and the rear gardens to housing facing Darget's Road (Nos. 2, 2a, 2b, 2c). At the southwest end of The Homestead, it appears a single storey lean-to roofed structure is added to the earlier house sometime in the late nineteenth century with its own chimney extending up the outside face of the main house's end chimney stack. It is possible this was a small utility type room with a wash-house copper for cleaning cloths as well as a bread oven, either/both of which would require a chimney.   

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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2022, 11:18:01 AM »
Official description of the building The Homestead from the Listed building register for Listed Building: Grade II 1268217

House. Mid C17, altered mid C19. Flint rubble plinth and rendered brick, brick right-hand gable and C20 left-hand lateral stacks, and a tiled roof. PLAN: 2-room plan with heated right-hand hall-kitchen and originally unheated service room to left. EXTERIOR: 2 storeys, cellar [/color]and attic; 2-window range. Left-of-centre doorway and half-glazed door, blocked right-hand doorway, with a brick band all round partly cut back; timber mullion windows, left-hand ground-floor 2-light and first-floor 3-light, right-hand ground-floor 3-light and first-floor 4-light, mid C19 casements. Right-hand gable has an open-ended lean-to. Central C17 rear stair light with ovolo mouldings. INTERIOR: contains stop chamfered ground-floor lateral and axial beams, a central rear winder stair, to a 3 1/2 bay attic with queen post roof, butt purlins and diagonal wind braces. HISTORY: a substantially complete mid C17 house, with some early use of brick and notable C17 fenestration.[/size][/font]

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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2022, 10:37:29 AM »
In the picture with the 2 storey cottage, the ground floor of the cottage looks almost as though it is a shop front. Have you found the inhabitants on censuses, their profession might give a clue.


The odd chimney stops short of the ridge, where there is already a chimney. A very strange arrangement.


Love the photos, keep posting :)
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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2022, 07:26:25 PM »
This is the oldest picture of The Homestead I can find.  As you can see the bigger house across Dargets is not there yet. So it must be taken late 1800s or very early 1900s.


Interesting that the Homestead Cottage is two-story at this time, as it is a single-story building later (c1920s).


Another interesting point in this image is what appears to be a chimney coming out of the cat-slide / lean-to roof to the right side of the building.  This is no longer there, and cannot be seen in any images later than this one.  However, there is evidence of it and a fireplace still visible now. For example, some odd rendering within the building, and brackets (wall ties?) protruding from the wall. 




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Re: The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2022, 06:11:10 PM »
A postcard from c.1920s


Note: The Homestead is slightly off center to the right of Dargets Road.  Looks like a timber-framed building (it's not), but with an attached single-story building to the left called Homestead Cottage.


Homestead Cottage was derelict and demolished in c.1970s around the same time the Homestead was grade II listed.  There is still evidence of the homestead cottage around The Homestead.  For example, a blocked-up doorway, which might still lead to a cellar under the current neighbour's garden.




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The Homestead - Walderslade Manor
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2022, 05:58:31 PM »
Hi all,

I currently live in The Homestead in Waldersalde and I want to ensure the history and significance of the building is known and remembered by anyone who cares.

In the grand scheme of things in life, and the massive quantity of history Kent has, the building is just a small part; some might say not even worth mentioning.  But I care and would love to find out and share as much as I can.

I have joined this forum to share some history and pictures, as I gather them.  If anyone has memories or additional photos to share please do.