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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7154 on: August 22, 2022, 01:17:52 PM »
Canterbury?

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7153 on: August 22, 2022, 12:53:42 PM »
Many thanks MartinR.


I shall take those marks and bag the bragging rights as I had to scratch my head to remember which part of the crypt your pic was looking at. Apologies to all those others who were virtually there with this, but it was clearly in the detail with this one  :) [size=78%] [/size]


Here is my next, which is a passage through a gateway, but through what and to where?

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7152 on: August 22, 2022, 10:54:30 AM »
Full marks and bonus bragging rights to you CAT.  It is indeed the projecting area behind the original high altar.  During the 2016 dig some long bones were found there, but (AFAIK) they have not been sent for dating so all that can be said is that they MAY be Paulinus' legs.  The investigation by St. John Hope in the closing years of the 19thC uncovered a " decayed wooden coffin and bones" in this pit.

Paulinus was a monk who came from Rome.  He was consecrated bishop in 625 and accompanied Aethelburg of Kent when she went north to mary Edwin.  Paulinus became Bishop of York.  Following Edwin's death he fled south and became Bishop of Rochester.  He died on 10 October 644 or possibly 645.
When the new Cathedral was built, building started from the east end.  Once the quire was finished Paulinus could be translated and the old cathedral demolished.  The later west end of the existing cathedral enclosed the apse of the Saxon one below ground.
As CAT mentioned, from 1190 onwards the east end was extended and modernised to it's present form which involved leveling the old east end to below the crypt floor.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7151 on: August 22, 2022, 10:13:30 AM »
If this is where in the crypt I think it is, could this pit be the suggested final resting place of the bones of St Paulinus (d. 10 October 644)? Originally buried in the first Saxon church at Rochester, his remains were transferred to the new Norman cathedral by bishop Gundulf who intended to house the saints bones in a separate eastward projecting shrine behind the high altar. When the east end of the cathedral was added to, and lengthened, the old east end was removed leaving its foundations preserved beneath the present crypt floor to be found first by W.H. St. John Hope in the late nineteenth century and to a greater extent during the reflooring of the crypt in more recent years.   




 

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7150 on: August 21, 2022, 06:22:48 PM »
Yes to all three.  Now all you need to do is deduce what part of the dig it was, and (for a bonus) what is it's significance.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7149 on: August 21, 2022, 06:10:55 PM »
Is this part of the 2016 archaeological investigation in Rochester Cathedral crypt? I believe they discovered the remains of an earlier Norman structure and also a flight of stairs leading to the cloisters.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7148 on: August 21, 2022, 05:20:29 PM »
Not within the photo, but something Roman was found nearby.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7147 on: August 21, 2022, 04:53:45 PM »
Something Roman under there?
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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7146 on: August 21, 2022, 04:39:46 PM »
Yes.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7145 on: August 21, 2022, 03:38:04 PM »
Rochester?

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7144 on: August 21, 2022, 10:30:32 AM »
Ouch! I was assuming that Lutonman would be next.  I'll put something up shortly, and try not to upset the regulars this time.

Where is this and what part?  Bonus points if anyone can give an explanation of the pit and what was found there.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7143 on: August 20, 2022, 11:09:46 PM »
Well done MartinR - You have the correct name for the property.  Over to you ...

The Cloth Hall, Water Lane, Smarden.
Smarden was renowned as a weaving community in medieval times. As a Cloth Hall, the building would once have contained trading stalls, particularly for the sale of cloth and fine silks but also leather, salt, and more exotic imports such as spices.  The River Beult flows at the end of the rear garden.



Hartnup House (pictured below) is next door.

History Dating in part from the 15th century, Hartnup House is an enchanting detached property of architectural interest and historic note and designated a Grade II* listing. In 1671 the south east wing was added by Matthew Hartnup, who was understood to have been the village apothecary and whose name is inscribed along with the date on the bressumer oversail. On either side are two single petal roses of the houses of York and Lancaster and two carved rhinoceros, which had strong medical associations throughout Europe by the 17th century. Indeed, The London Society of Apothecaries featured German artist Albrecht Dürer’s rhinoceros on its crest as early as 1617 and it was believed that vessels carved from rhino horn had the ability to detect poisons. Hartnup House and the beautifully landscaped garden with the medieval church of St Michael the Archangel as a backdrop, has been in the same ownership for almost 40 years and has been sympathetically and lovingly preserved by the present owners.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7142 on: August 20, 2022, 10:37:21 PM »
"The Cloth Hall", (aka "Turk Farmhouse") Grade II*.  Official listing: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071366?section=official-list-entry
"Hartnup House" is next door, also Grade II*: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1366291?section=official-list-entry
Thanks for the prompt Grandarog, I put Hartnup House into DuckDuckGo and the official listing came up, which prompted me to check the map and find the neighbour.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7141 on: August 20, 2022, 09:03:07 PM »
Would that be "Hartnup House"named after Mathew Hartnup who added the SouthEast Wing in 1671, that Luton man has found and Martin R has pinpointed.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7140 on: August 20, 2022, 06:14:15 PM »
Well Lutonman has found it and led me to it.  The house is at:
  • Nat Grid:   TQ 87886 42357
  • Post Code:  TN27 8QB
  • WGS84:      51°08'59"N 000°41'06"E or 51.14963,0.68500
-- but what it's called is still outstanding.  You're very mysterious John!