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Maritime History => Harbours and Dockyards => Topic started by: Smiffy on February 07, 2020, 04:51:49 PM

Title: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Smiffy on February 07, 2020, 04:51:49 PM

The existing Sun Pier dates from 1886, replacing an earlier pier that had been built on the same site, probably during the 1830's. This older pier underwent some improvements during 1869 with the addition of a floating stage which helped to facilitate night landings.
 
A photo dating from c.1870 showing the old pier:
(https://i.postimg.cc/rFSFt37J/Old-Pier.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


With the increasing use of river traffic, especially ferry services and pleasure steamers, the decision was later made that a more suitable and substantial pier was needed and by 1885 work was underway on the new structure. A long gangway was planned to connect it to the landing stage, but due to delays by the contractors, a temporary gangway had to be constructed in order to deal with the considerable number of passengers wanting to use the pier during the height of the summer pleasure cruise season. This gangway, although being approved as adequate, unfortunately proved to be far too flimsy for the task.
 
On the afternoon of Sunday 26th July, a large number of people had turned up in order to take advantage of the fine day and the multitude of steamers that were offering their services. Because of the inevitable delays due to so many passengers boarding and disembarking at the same time, the weight proved to be too much for the makeshift gangway and it began to swing alarmingly. At first this provided some amusement to the waiting crowds, but soon the movement became so extreme an accident seemed inevitable. Before most had a chance to escape, the gangway collapsed and a large number of persons found themselves thrown into the river, which at this point was some eight feet deep. Luckily, most were able to save themselves by clinging onto the twisted ironwork or floating debris, or were rescued by a number of small boats that had been dispatched to help.
 
By an amazing quirk of fate, and despite a large number of both minor and some more serious injuries, there were no fatalities apart from an infant that was reported to have died in its unfortunate mother's arms.
 
Aftermath of the accident, the twisted gangway is clearly visible:
(https://i.postimg.cc/y8j1L913/SP85.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


The new pier was finally completed the following year, and apart from an enlargement a few years later, remained largely unaltered until December 1972 when a fire broke out and destroyed most of the wooden superstructure. The pier is still there of course, but the glory days when the Medway Queen and her ilk were regular visitors have now long passed.
 
This photograph was taken approximately two months before the devastating fire:
(https://i.postimg.cc/P5TfbKjk/SP72.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Thanks must go to Mike Nancollas who sent me this newspaper cutting and text, and who was an eyewitness to the fire that nearly destroyed the Sun Pier:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmmQkBTq/Sun-Pier-1972.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


"It was the 19th December 1972 I had just gone to lunch it was a very foggy day difficult to see Medway Street from my office on the pier. I locked up and went off to eat.
 
After an hour I went back to find complete devastation. What I was told afterwards, though I can't say if it were true or not, was that the guy who ran Grey Launches used to have a bunk in his part of the pier together with an electric fire. Some days he used to bring a girlfriend back and during the lunch time the bedclothes had slipped onto the fire which started the blaze and his little place was full of fuel for his boat and paint etc, all flammable stuff. Also I understand that a yacht club had part of the the old building on the river side  of the building. I never heard any more about the fire.
 
The part of the pier that I was in was a small office at the land side facing Medway Street, behind was the old custom house with the lockers that Officers used to use in the days when Customs were active on the pier. I believe they moved the office into the high street nearby to the junction of Medway street.
 
The old Kent Land Corps office was completely burned out but we did managed to salvage the records, and relocated in St Margarets Street Rochester just up from the Cathedral".

Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: MartinR on February 07, 2020, 05:01:19 PM
The purpose of the floating pontoon is to facilitate all-tide operation, both day and night.  The Medway there can rise and fall up to 6m (nigh on 20') at spring tides.  Few passengers (particularly ladies in Victorian dress, or indeed today in skirts) would fancy climbing a slippery 20' ladder.  Incidentally access to the pontoon is by token which can only be purchased on the pontoon itself.  The idea is that boats can tie up temporarily, go into Chatham and then return.  In line with Medway Council's anti-river policy there is no overnight mooring permitted and they don't want locals using it to launch boats.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Smiffy on February 07, 2020, 06:48:23 PM
The 1869 landing place was specifically intended to provide a proper means of landing at the Sun Pier at night, as some seafaring men had perished during accidents whilst making the attempt. It was described as "a very excellent floating-stage" and provided by public subscription. No doubt good use was also made of it during daylight hours thereafter.



Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Dave Smith on February 10, 2020, 01:22:03 PM
I well remember the Sun Pier before WW2 as we always caught the paddle steamer across to Southend from there. For a young lad, it was a fantastic day out during my Dad's annual weeks holiday from The Yard. We also caught the brass funnelled picket boat from there that took us to HMS Kent to see my uncle upon his return from The China Station in 1937. 
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: pr1uk on February 12, 2020, 09:12:34 AM
I well remember the Sun Pier before WW2 as we always caught the paddle steamer across to Southend from there. For a young lad, it was a fantastic day out during my Dad's annual weeks holiday from The Yard. We also caught the brass funnelled picket boat from there that took us to HMS Kent to see my uncle upon his return from The China Station in 1937.


I always remember mum taking us kids to Sun Pier and getting a launch that took us for a day out at Upnor, used to love the short journey to and fro.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Smiffy on February 12, 2020, 01:15:05 PM
pr1uk, I remember doing that trip as a class outing when I was at Junior school. Open motor launch, no lifejackets!
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: CAT on February 14, 2020, 09:32:59 AM
A pic in my collection that I had used previously on the other KHF site, but thought it could do with another airing here it being from the early 1950s
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: CAT on February 14, 2020, 09:35:15 AM
... and another, this time showing the military providing relief from the end of Sun Pier following the floods of the early 1950s
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: pr1uk on February 17, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
pr1uk, I remember doing that trip as a class outing when I was at Junior school. Open motor launch, no lifejackets!


I used to love that trip and as for lifejackets can you image todays namby pamby society what the health and safety requirements would be. Also remember when on school holidays going pea picking with my mother the women were picked up near Sun Pier on an open backed lorry all the women middle aged to old plus any children on the back of an open lorry.
How did we ever survive
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Smiffy on February 17, 2020, 11:52:43 AM
Quote
Also remember when on school holidays going pea picking with my mother the women were picked up near Sun Pier on an open backed lorry all the women middle aged to old plus any children on the back of an open lorry.
 
Wasn't that the Kent Land Army, or something? I remember the same, but for me it was going plum picking. :)
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: castle261 on February 17, 2020, 06:06:28 PM
I remember the small boat that went to Upnor. The small fair, with a helter skelter, the boat swing.


I lost my yacht, trailing it behind, along the river, from the Sun Pier.



Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 18, 2020, 03:28:40 PM
After family days out at Upnor back in the fifties I seem to remember there was always the dilemma of the return journey home.
Either you could take the boat back to the Sun Pier or you could take the bus. The bus was always crowded and took an age at the end of a humid day to chug slowly through Frindsbury and over the one lane in each direction bridge at Rochester before eventually making it back to Chatham Town Hall.


The boat though much swifter was of course much more expensive. I stand to be corrected but it was something like 2d for the bus and 6d for the boat. With four kids it was a rarity for mum and dad to be able to treat us to the boat trip.


Alec.





Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: castle261 on February 19, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
I remember the event put on by `The Sealed Society`at Upnor. I think I went there by bus,
although it was`nt all the long ago ( memory )  The fight`s were good & a good day was had by all.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: CAT on February 19, 2020, 01:12:48 PM
Do you mean 'The Sealed Knot' who are a re-enactment group covering the English Civil War? If so, then they are exceptionally good.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: castle261 on February 19, 2020, 06:49:39 PM
Yes, I slip of the mind, CAT.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: stuartwaters on February 22, 2020, 10:49:11 PM
I was in the Sealed Knot many years ago (mid to late 1990's). Lord Saye and Sele's Blew Regiment of Foote (a regiment of the Parliament Army). I met loads of good people, some of whom I'm still friends with. It's what sparked my interest in telling stories and trying to bring history to life.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: KeithG on February 25, 2020, 07:20:09 PM
Found a different picture in my collection of Sun Pier.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Smiffy on February 25, 2020, 09:54:24 PM
KeithG,
 
Any idea of the date? It must be pre-1907 as the OS for that period already shows it in its final incarnation. Looking at previous maps it looks like it may have been extended some time around 1900.
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: CAT on February 26, 2020, 08:24:51 AM
The official pier monument listing states 'Commercial pier for merchant ships in the River Medway. Site of a pier existing in 1765 which was subsequently improved in 1864 and destroyed by gales in 1885. The present pier was constructed in 1886 with an extension added in 1902-4. Major refurbishment carried out in 1982 and a new landing stage added in 1987'
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: Smiffy on February 26, 2020, 12:59:09 PM
Cheers CAT, I wasn't far off then :)
Title: Re: Sun Pier, Chatham
Post by: KeithG on February 26, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
smiffy.......i have no idea what date the picture is exactly. I downloaded it quite a few years back as there are not many pictures about of the actual pier head itself.


Of course being on a river there were numerous piers in the Medway Towns stretch they mostly had pontoons some such as Strood the whole pier was a large pontoon which went up and down with the tide.