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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7473 on: October 25, 2022, 09:49:14 AM »
There's no obvious crop markings on GSV to reveal exactly where the house stood, but the immediate grounds are now the King George VI Memorial Park.  I've located the house on an overlay from https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=51.34311&lon=1.43366&layers=168&b=1, it's a distance from the Synagogue and mausoleum:
  • Nat'l Grid:                 TR 39254 65977
  • Nearest Post Code:  CT11 8BD
  • Coords (WGS84):     51°20'33"N 001°26'02"E or 51.34249,1.43395

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7472 on: October 25, 2022, 07:57:44 AM »
That is Turners painting of the old Eastcliff House Ramsgate.There was an article in the papers some time ago. Apparently, the cliff below where the house stood is riddled with tunnels. Some with openings in the cliff face were used by the Army for defensive purposes during WW2.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7471 on: October 25, 2022, 07:48:56 AM »
Well done to both of you.  Even after Beachbum found it I spent ages going up and down Bishopbourne itself looking for it.  Anyhow, for those like me that couldn't find it, the house is located at:
  • Nat'l Grid:                 TR1917351810
  • Nearest Post Code: CT4 5JA
  • Coords (WGS84):    51°13'24N 001°08'15"E or 51.223388,1.137425

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7470 on: October 25, 2022, 12:10:21 AM »
Thanks John Walker. I remember as a Kid collecting Conkers behind the Barnardos Home and walking along the Railway line after the Beeching Cuts.

The next one is known as a Country Home. Sadly the Main Building was demolished in the 1950's.Other Buildings survive including the Burial structure.........

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7469 on: October 24, 2022, 10:12:15 PM »


Well done Beachbum.  It is in fact The Dower House at Charlton Park, Bishopsbourne.  The Dower House is out of shot to the left of the attached photo of Chalton Park.   Over to you.

There were in fact three writers from the village of Bishopsbourne.

A collective biography of three of the most distinguished stylists writing in the English language, who lived and died in the small village of Bishopsbourne in Kent: Richard Hooker (1554-1600), the theologian whose major work Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity, provided the philosophical underpinning of the Elizabethan Anglican movement; the celebrated author Joseph Conrad (1857-1924) who wrote his last novels there and Jocelyn Brooke (1908-1966), the Proustian author of the 'Orchid' trilogy which shot him to fame in the late 1940s.


The river is the Nailbourne
The railway is the Elham Valley Railway which runs a few hundred metres from the Dower House
In August 1970 a pop concert was held in the grounds.  Bands included Pink Floyd, The Faces, Mott the Hoople, and Caravan
The Orphans were children at Charlton Park when it was a Doctor Barnardos Home.
For details of my other clues, please read the following brief history of Charlton Park.

Charlton Park is at least eight centuries old. The first mention of it is in 1240, but it is likely to have been established by the time the manor of Bishopsbourne was acquired by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 811. The Tudor core of the present house was built around 1580 by James Herringe, a wealthy local yeoman. In 1636 the estate was bought by the Aucher family, who had acquired the rest of the manor of Bishopsbourne at the Reformation. By 1800 it belonged to the Foote family, who added the Regency facade and the west wing containing the magnificent first floor ballroom. The east wing was added in the 1840’s by General Sir Frederick Mulcaster.It is likely that Caesar watered his cavalry in the Nailbourne (then a permanent river; now a winterbourne) in the area of Charlton Park after his first battle against the Britons on Barham Down in July 54 BC. During the Civil War in the 1640s, the then owner Sir Anthony Aucher spent time in the Tower of London for having been on the wrong (Royalist) side, an experience that probably explains why, when building the Dower House around 1680, he constructed the secret escape tunnel that once connected it to the house.The ballroom was built around 1810 by Robert Foote to entertain the Prince Regent and his mistress Elizabeth, Countess Conyngham. A story persists that at one ball, a drunken ADC jumped his horse out of a ballroom window, killing both. Jane Austen probably visited the house; she was close to Robert’s uncle, Admiral Sir Edward Foote, Captain of the Royal Yacht, who used the house as his country home and probably introduced Robert to the Prince. She was also great friends with Robert's cousins, the 5 daughters of John and Eleanor Foote of London, who frequently stayed at the house. During World War 2, Charlton Place was requisitioned for the unit responsible for the long-range Boche-Buster anti-invasion gun mounted on a railcar on the line that then ran behind the house, which of course was never needed. For 20 years after the war, it was a Dr. Barnardo's home; several people who were children then appear from time to time to share happy memories.Charlton Place A fine Grade II* listed mansion set in wonderfully maintained grounds. The house sits proudly amongst mature parkland dotted with fine specimen trees and is known as Charlton Park. A splendid wood-paneled entrance hall with large open fire, welcomes you into the body of the house, off which lies a morning room and drawing room. Beyond the hall is the substantial kitchen/family room with ceiling-height windows creating a wonderful light space with seating areas at both ends by open fires, with a central kitchen with an AGA and a dining area in the bay. To the rear of the ground floor are the farm office, library, cloakrooms and a fully operational commercial kitchen. Substantial cellars, including 2 wine cellars, lie under most of the ground floor.On the first floor are six extremely comfortable bedroom suites, and two further bedrooms and a kitchen. Also on the first floor is the ballroom, an imposing 40ft room with a large bay window and fine piped plaster mouldings. A wood-burning stove gives wonderful warmth to this splendid room which overlooks the mixed borders, woods and parkland beyond. On the second floor are four further bedrooms, two bathrooms, a kitchen, a water tank store room and further store rooms. This property has 129 acres of land.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7468 on: October 24, 2022, 08:30:23 PM »
I kept going back to the same area, with the Bourne Park Railway Tunnel, Nail Bourne River and St. Marys Church.

A day later, I finally found the House...............

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7467 on: October 24, 2022, 05:49:38 PM »
To sum up so far:
  • Closer to Fordwich than Tyler Hill, so within 5 miles of Fordwich.
  • The end of an escape tunnel is reputed to be at this house, anyone any ideas?
  • A famous writer of old lived nearby, who?
  • Royalty, Pop stars, and orphans would have passed this house, probably true of any house on a main road.
  • Close to a disused railway line, can't find a trace on GSV satellite, anyone go any ideas?
  • Close to a small river, can't find any rivers other than the Stour within the area.
HELP!


Time for more clues.
The place that Royalty, Pop stars, and Orphans were going to is only about 300 mtrs away.
A lot of the track bed of the railway still exists
Some related buildings to the railway still exist.
A railway tunnel is not far away. 
The river mentioned flows intermittently and is within a stone's throw of the house in the photo.  It joins the Stour some miles further on.

The building is grade 2 listed and was built around 1680.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7466 on: October 24, 2022, 12:02:08 PM »
To sum up so far:
  • Closer to Fordwich than Tyler Hill, so within 5 miles of Fordwich.
  • The end of an escape tunnel is reputed to be at this house, anyone any ideas?
  • A famous writer of old lived nearby, who?
  • Royalty, Pop stars, and orphans would have passed this house, probably true of any house on a main road.
  • Close to a disused railway line, can't find a trace on GSV satellite, anyone go any ideas?
  • Close to a small river, can't find any rivers other than the Stour within the area.
HELP!

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7465 on: October 24, 2022, 09:38:55 AM »
In which case is the river the Stour?  and are we near Fordwich?


 A tributary of the Stour.  Getting closer with Fordwich but not there.


A famous writer of old lived nearby.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7464 on: October 24, 2022, 09:34:22 AM »
In which case is the river the Stour?  and are we near Fordwich?

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7463 on: October 23, 2022, 10:54:55 PM »
Not Tyler Hill or Sarre.  Tyler Hill is nearest though.


Another clue.  The end of an escape tunnel is reputed to be at this house.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7462 on: October 23, 2022, 08:41:36 PM »
Tyler Hill?

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7461 on: October 23, 2022, 05:57:03 PM »
Poor John, no-one's talking to him! ;)
Pure guess, are we anywhere near Sarre?

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #7460 on: October 23, 2022, 03:23:00 PM »
Royalty, Pop stars, and orphans would have passed this house.

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« Reply #7459 on: October 23, 2022, 12:02:11 PM »
Close to a disused railway line