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It was suggested to me by Johnfilmer that we resurrect the Guess the Place game from the old Forum. John also suggested some rules, which I'm more than happy with, so here are the rules:
1) You should use your own photos or those old ones, postcards, newspaper or other illustrations to which you have access without copyright infringement.
2) Do not post screenshots from internet mapping such as Google Street View unless previously agreed due to mobility problems.
3) Once the location of the picture is correctly guessed, and the person who posted it agrees, then the winner should post their own photo, preferably within a day. It is best to have a picture ready if taking part.
4) The person posting the photo must be prepared to answer guesses reasonably promptly, many people are unable to do so at work, this is not itself a problem. However, if a poster goes AWOL for an unreasonable period the other players can agree on a replacement poster to continue.
5) The Admin (or Moderator - when they're sorted out)'s decision is final.
I have no pictures at the moment worth adding, so I'll leave it to m'learned friends to go with it.....
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Do we have any idea on the size limits? On the old forum this was a major trap for the unwary, and I for one stopped entering because of posting problems. Thanks, Martin
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Martin, I have no idea of the limit on the size of the image to be posted. This is why I prefer it if people host their own images on the likes of photobucket or imgur. If people can't or won't host their own, then attach the image to your post and if it causes a problem, then I'll deal with it if it arises.
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Let see how it works out. I have created an Imgur account to facilitate posting images in KHF, such as this.
This is an easy one.
The box is over 90 years old.
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I was in East Kent.
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But somehow to the West?
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Stewie, that's the place!
The green name board says "Canterbury West", scrambled a little in my photo.
I had dropped my family off at the Marlow Theatre, and spent the evening wandering around beautiful, historic Canterbury.
"Guess the place" is up and running. Over to you...
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Ah!
Now I did not actually name the place, so I technically have not won :) . Also I have no photos or means of posting them so I must respectfully decline :-[ , but perhaps the next player / picture may continue the game.
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Can we have a little tutorial on how to post photos directly into our posts please?
All I can find is the "insert image" button but that only allows a link to an external site for viewing.
Alec.
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Invicta Alec, in "Reply#3", Stuartwaters (admin) suggested posting photos from a 3rd party site rather than directly into the KHF database.
I tried linking to Flickr images, but it only showed the link in the post rather than the photo.
I have created a free account on photo-hosting site Imgur, https://imgur.com/register (https://imgur.com/register), specifically to host photos for KHF. (I may use it for other stuff now I have it, but KHF was the main reason to create the account)
To post Canterbury West photo earlier, I loaded the photo to my Igmur account.
If you right-click on the image loaded to Igmur, one of the options offered is "Copy image address". Select that option.
You can then paste the copied link into your KHF post that your are editing/creating.
Instead of the link address showing where you paste the link, it displays the photo directly from your Igmur account.
I am not advocating that this is the best way or the only way, but it is the way that I have adopted to post images in KHF.
I hope it is of some help.
If there are any more queries, I will answer them in "technical queries" post rather than off topic here in "Guess the place"
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I'll have a look at the images issue over the weekend. Unfortunately, I am on a long-running job miles away which requires early starts and late finishes and am monitoring the Forum on my smart phone. Please bear with me for another day or so on the images issue.
I only stated my preference for 3rd party image hosting because it reduces the space requirement on the server. If it's something (and it clearly is) which not everyone is comfortable with for whatever reason, then it's something I need to look at again, which I'll do over the course of the weekend.
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I'm using https://postimages.org at the moment. It seems to work well, you can have separate albums (they call them galleries) and I've uploaded a 4000x3000 image without issue. Clicking on an image and selecting "Share" gives lots of link options, including one specifically for forums.
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Just testing!
Using "postimages".
Thanks for the tip, Smiffy.
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Just for info, I've now enabled image uploading (which I hadn't realised wasn't enabled - the default on this version of SMF is to have it disabled). Please see Announcements.
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Greetings
I have been the Ghost in the Machine for a while, only quietly watching, as we have had house guests from America keeping us busy.
Anyway after a silly-o'clock trip to Heathrow normality may once again return.
I have yet to master 3rd party images, so may stay with simply attaching images for the moment.
So, I am confused, are we playing, or did it grind to halt after the first attempt, or is the post by Diapason a live one - if so I will need a clue or three.
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I'm confused too. Technically, Stewie didn't answer and rightly declined when offered it and Localhiker gave the answer away anyway.
For the sake of fairness, I'd say the first to put up a photo has it and can run with it.
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OK, I'll go for it.
A re-used image of one of the many water related buildings on the north downs - but where?
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I'll recuse myself from this one cos I've worked there 8)
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Thanks johnfilmer for posting and good to be back on the forum stuartwaters.I admit to "Google Cheating" this one from Australia - Mid Kent Water Company Pumping Stattion, Newnham.See https://www.flickr.com/photos/22420011@N05/6191542437
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You have it Jimawilliams, the very place :)
The old lime water softening plant behind and to the left of this building is now converted to a very distinctive house.
Over to you.
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Ok maybe time for a clue. Approximately west, one kilometre from a castle, an Elizabethan artillery fort that overlooks the River Medway.
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jimawilliams, thanks.
I am not familiar with the area, and would not have guessed it without your "Upnor Castle" clue.
And, since the cricket field no longer exists, modern maps and Google Earth would not have helped.
I incorrectly started looking for footbridges over railways.
Anyway, I was here a couple of years ago. That is my bike, not a lightweight railway maintenance vehicle. Where was I?
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Simply a guess - are you on Sheppey?
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johnfilmer, I was indeed on Sheppey that day, not too famous for its cobbled tramways...
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I think we are now playing!
My offering has an ecclesiastical connection. Only a few miles from the county town.
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Diapason, nice photo at Aylesford Priory
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Clue: The white house above my bike is a toll house.
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Diapason, nice photo at Aylesford Priory
Spot on, Local Hiker. My first visit there.
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Clue: The piermaster lived in the toll house.
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Clue: The toll house was for a pier, not a road.
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I think you're on the disused track alongside West Street and the A249 in BlueTown (Close to the Royal Fountain hotel) ?
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John Walker, spot on. Over to you.
It is the track into Sheerness Docks.
The track goes through the large rusty blue gates to the immediate left of the toll house.
I am looking north. The branch just south of here is lifted and gone, so the track in the picture is now severed from the rail network.
To the immediate right (east) of where the picture was taken, there is a large flattened building site that was once Sheerness Steel Mill.
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Thanks Local Hiker - That took some finding :)
Next one ...
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The Hatch restaurant in Folkestone?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Hatch-at-Folkestone-Harbour/257216057946563 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Hatch-at-Folkestone-Harbour/257216057946563)
https://www.alamy.com/low-tidefolkestone-harbourfolkestonekentenglanduk-image183811840.html (https://www.alamy.com/low-tidefolkestone-harbourfolkestonekentenglanduk-image183811840.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=8BB42255-9C6A-4471-8D7B-4428C99DA686&p=95412&n=41&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3Dbaxwalker%2520folkestone%26qt_raw%3Dbaxwalker%2520folkestone%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D1%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26pl%3D0%26plno%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26upl%3D0%26cufr%3D%26cuto%3D%26howler%3D%26cvrem%3D0%26cvtype%3D0%26cvloc%3D0%26cl%3D0%26upfr%3D%26upto%3D%26primcat%3D%26seccat%3D%26cvcategory%3D*%26restriction%3D%26random%3D%26ispremium%3D1%26flip%3D0%26contributorqt%3D%26plgalleryno%3D%26plpublic%3D0%26viewaspublic%3D0%26isplcurate%3D0%26imageurl%3D%26saveQry%3D%26editorial%3D1%26t%3D0%26edoptin%3D)
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That's it Local Hiker. I understand that the structure is a sluice for storm water outlet,
Back to you :)
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Thanks John Walker.
I spent ages trying to convince myself that it was Cliffe Fort, which is surrounded by stored, commercial shingle and aggregate!
This place is a popular dog walking area. The carved wooden statues are all several feet high or long, and all within a few hundred yards of each other. Where is it?
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Clue: I have canoed in the boating lake at this place.
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Near the Boathouse Cafe, Sheerness ?
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Yes, the sculptures are scattered around the marshes to the south east of the cafe, all part of Barton Point Coastal park. The napolionic defensive canal starts here. The boating lake is dug off and connected to the canal. The statues are on a WW1 rifle range.
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Thanks Local Hiker.
Next one.
(I'm away until Monday evening but will look when I can)
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I have eaten there recently, but I won't call it because I have had more than my fair share of turns at this game since it started in the new forum.
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We seem to be out of sync again as the one I put up hasn't been guessed yet.
Anyway, I will answer your post (number 44) Local Hiker. You might be thinking of the wrong place as it's not an eating establishment but a charity shop and an estate agents.
John
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Diapason, it is nice to have new blood playing along. You have some nice pictures.
The game works by guessing the current image in play, then you post your own image only if you are first to guess the current image.
The current image in play is on Reply #43 by John Walker.
John Walker, I stand corrected, but there will be architect ghosts suing for plagiarism if my eatery and your charity shop are different places!
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Can people unfamiliar with this game on the old site please familiarise themselves with the rules, posted at the beginning of this thread.
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Apologies for `jumping the gun`, Local Hiker.
My memory failed me, as I am not a new boy and was a member of the `old` Forum from 2010 but using a new user name and avatar.
I have removed the offending post.
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We seem to be out of sync again as the one I put up hasn't been guessed yet.
Although I am unable to `pinpoint` this building, I think it`s very likely to be Canterbury.
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I think its the Pilgrims Hospice shop & a Student lettings agent on St Dunstans in Canterbury, just by the little roundabout at the junction with Station Road.
The swinging sign did make me think that it was a pub as well as Local Hiker.
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You have it johnfilmer :)
The building suffered major blast damage in the blitz. It later became Flishers Grocery Store. On a Saturday, I would be taken into Canterbury to do our shopping. We would then drop our grocery order book into Flishers and the groceries would be delivered early the following week by their van man. He was a good looking man and I think Mum had a soft spot for him as there would always be a cuppa and long chat.
Over to you johnfilmer ...
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Ah the rediscovered joys of Street View around Canterbury - much missed :) . Thanks JW
Next one is twixt M2 & M20, village location.
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Any ideas why my photo is rotated 90deg? If I click on it then it displays correctly, and the source and attachment all look correct.
I have had this before, someone corrected it but did not explain how.
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John Walker, I was 100% confident I was right
I was wrong!
I ate in Wildwood earlier this year. Maybe we should rename the quiz to "Spot the difference".
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Re reply #52
Milstead Manor?
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That was quick!
Was the image rotated in the original thumbnail, and if so was it corrected when enlarged?
Over to Diapason
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I always enjoyed this particular topic, not often guessed many but nevertheless glad to see it, thanks for it.
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That was quick!
Was the image rotated in the original thumbnail, and if so was it corrected when enlarged?
Over to Diapason
Image remained rotated left in thumb and full.
John
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I'm guessing be the STD number that this is a Medway location. Quite an ornate building, so I guess it has an interesting history. Searching now but I'm sure someone from the area will get there first :)
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If I select "open link in new tab" for the rotated image it displays correctly.
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Its now the Rasa Meze formally Halfords, formerly the Theatre Royal,
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Over to you, Lutonman.
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Guess where this is
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That would appear to be Capstone Park lake, standing on the south bank, looking north over the duck island.
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Well done over to you Local Hiker
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Thanks Lutonman. The kids and I have fed many ducks and fish (perch?) from the steps just in front of the camera.
This next place was a favourite childhood haunt of mine.
In August 2017, I heard that a model of the place had been made, and it was on display at the local library.
I just had to go and see the model and revisit the place.
Here are a few images I took that day, but where was I?
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First guess. The large quarry between Wouldham and Burham?
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John Walker, thanks for taking an interest. I know of 2 quarries between Wouldham and Burham.
Margarets Pit has been a private landfill site, used by the the paper mills for as long as I remember, so no public access in 2017. (Now landscaped and no longer a landfill)
Peter's Pit has been a building site for some years, including 2017, so not there either.
I am not aware of any other quarry that meets your description.
My place is in North Kent rather than mid Kent.
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Second guess - The Berengrave Nature Reserve at Rainham?
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John Walker, that is correct. The chalk processing factory remains in my photos are to the north of the quarry site.
The quarry south of the B2004 Lower Rainham Road, and the site of the cement works (long cleaed) to the north of the road, including the remains of Rainham Dock on the Medway, are a really interesting walk.
https://friendsofberengrave.btck.co.uk/ (https://friendsofberengrave.btck.co.uk/)
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Thanks Local Hiker. That looks a great place for a visit. Not too far from the train station either.
Next one ... The building still exists.
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Time for a clue - my usual hunting ground :)
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Dover Street, Canterbury? I just remember the hardware shop.
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I didn't know you were on here CAT - I would have guessed you would get this one ;D .
Yes - it's Woods Hardware shop in Dover Street. You could buy anything thing from peashooters and bags of peas to bunches of fresh mint and sink plugs. There was a superb display devoted to Woods Shop in Canterbury Museum, Stour Street. I wonder where all the excellent exhibits are now. Even the Rupert Bear and Bagpuss displays have been chucked in a single glass case in the Beaney Museum. Very disappointing :(
Over to you CAT
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Many thanks John Walker
Apologies for the delay, but work really gets in the way of pleasure sometimes.
As with us all, you can't get enough of a good thing so a quick transfer from the old KHF to here was a must.
My offering is obviously a large country house, sadly no longer standing, but where was it, what's its name and how did it get its name?
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I drove past this location recently but I'll hold fire to give other members a chance to join in.
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Bifrons House.
Bifrons, or Janus Bifrons, the two-faced god of the Romans, one of the earliest gods of the Roman pantheon. He was the gatekeeper who looked both ways and was the god of beginnings and endings, and of special significance to soldiers.
https://willturnstone.wordpress.com/tag/bifrons-house/ (https://willturnstone.wordpress.com/tag/bifrons-house/)
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Thank you CAT, and thank you John Walker for the clue.
That required some detective work to resolve.
I am running out of GTP photos. I need to get out with the camera more.
I took this in the summer of 2017.
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Many thanks Local Hiker.
This is a place I have visited numerous times and often wondered about the circular building, though the lighthouses of Dungeness are a series of 'low-lights' and high-lights ranging from at least the early 1600's. From what I have gathered, it is the present lighthouse that dates from 1904 with the circular building adjacent being created in the 1860's from the two lower storeys of buildings that originally encircled the earlier 1792 lighthouse. Following the removal of the earlier lighthouse an open circular courtyard was formed in the buildings centre, which was subsequently capped by a glazed roof.
Here is my next offering, but who and where are this illustrious couple buried?
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Quick stab in the dark. Chilham Church?
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Not Chilham John Walker, a bit further west with this one.
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We must be up for a clue?
Its in one of the West Kent Hursts
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Tomb of Sir Alexander & Lady Culpepper, Goudhurst Church
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Your spot on John Walker. This is indeed the effigy of Alexander Culpepper and his wife dated 1537 and positioned in a bay window along the south aisle. The unusual feature to this monument is that it is carved wood and covered in painted gesso. As the faces are individual to other comparative monuments there is the certainty these were carved during there lives providing an actual portrait of the people in question.
Over to you
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Thanks CAT and for the interesting info.
Next one ...
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I will reserve my answer, but they may begin with an `- ` !
The first time photo`s have appeared on my screen, Stuart must have twisted a few knobs !
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That looks Like the old Sir Roger Manwood school Facade. :) Believe it is now called Manwood Court its near the White Mill.
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You have it Grandarog - good to see you on here. :)
Over to you ...
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Thanks John, So glad that Stuart has got this forum up and running for us.
Try this one should go pretty quick. Road or Building will do to win. ;D
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On Sheppey ?
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No but not that far away on the Mainland.
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Industrial area of Sittingbourne?
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Was once ,but now very near large commercial and industrial area. On the old forum it would have been found straight away but we dont have so many members yet.
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Found it on Google - those two dog statues have moved to a new position :D
I won't put in my guess as I'm away until Friday and it will hold things up.
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Only onto the step under the roof, not moved far. The Woodcoombe club in Church Road, Murston.
I recall old railway tracks are still visible in the road along the north wall of the club.
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Hi Mate ,Nice to see you have come over to the Forum .I wondered if any of the old locals were about.
You have it .It was the Morrisons round all the Stores in South of England Charity cycle ride a few years ago. Finished at Woodcombe Club. Yes there are still theold Brickfield Tram lines crossing the road.
Over to you :)
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Thanks for the welcome grandarog. I was first to sign up to the new forum. :)
A nice easy one from September 2013. Extra points for the book.
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Thanks for the welcome grandarog. I was first to sign up to the new forum. :)
Indeed you were, before I had finished setting it up. ;)
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Indeed you were, before I had finished setting it up. ;)
Youthful enthusiasm without the youth. I did wonder why nobody else signed up for a while after me.
Anyway, back to the quiz; The graveyard is in North Kent.
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I tried, but Stuart turned off registrations after you got in.
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How the dickens has this not been guessed yet? (clue)
The graveyard is in North Kent.
Extra points for the book.
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Pip ----------- from Great Expectations ?
If right I can not follow on, dont know HOW !
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castle261, you get the extra points for the book. If you have a picture, and want to name the place, then post your picture to have a turn, I am no IT expert, but can try and talk you through. A couple of tips to get you started:-
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Your typing is TOO small, and I am TOO old to change. Over to you Local Hiker !
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OK castle261, we will leave somebody else to guess the place.
The writing is small because this site displays the image as a "thumbnail" (smaller) version of the picture.
You see a bigger picture if you click on the thumbnail.
And, if click on the file name to the right of the paperclip symbol, the picture is downloaded onto your computer so you can view it, and zoom it even bigger, with your favourite image viewer.
I think you can do that with any images on the site to appreciate them more, not just the "guess the place" pictures.
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Maybe this is not as easy as I thought.
When I say North Kent, I was more north than south Essex.
(That pretty well gives the place away)
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They're "Pip's Graves" in Cooling churchyard. The churchyard is supposed to be the inspiration for the opening scene in Dicken's "Great Expectations".
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MartinR, thanks for guessing correctly.
I cannot add any more than this website:- https://www.visitchurches.org.uk/visit/church-listing/st-james-cooling.html (https://www.visitchurches.org.uk/visit/church-listing/st-james-cooling.html)
Cooling castle, where Jules Holland lives, is just along the road to the west of the village, and I had a nice lunch in the Horseshoe and Castle pub on the day, just to the east of the village.
Over to you.
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Possibly an easy one, but where was the photo taken from?
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From the angle and elevation, I would say Rochester Castle with a good zoom.
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Prime not zoom, but yes: 500mm.
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I was going to sit this one out, but since I was on a bench (drinking coffee on a ramble) by that very church, not that long ago, and took this reciprocal shot, I could not resist.
Is Rochester Castle correct? (I won't post the next guess until you confirm, just in case I am wrong)
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Yes it is Rochester Castle, I meant that by my previous reply (which maybe wasn't clear).
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Thanks MartinR.
Not quite trains, planes and automobiles, but model trains, planes and boats.
A fun day in October 2016, where was I?
The waterway beside the railway is quite a historic feature.
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Barton's Point Country Park, Sheerness. The waterway is part of the defences of Sheerness, and may I say a heck of a long way to paddle in a kayak.
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MartinR, correct. I have canoed on the lake, but not ventured out onto the canal itself. I cycle the area regularly.
The canal, and the Queenborough Lines that it is part of, is a scheduled monument, https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1404499 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1404499)
Barton Point Park has a 500yds long 5" model railway track, an airfield for model planes, and a small radio controlled boat lake, all in use that day.
Immediately in the area, historic artifacts include the canal, the remains of an artillery battery (now a holiday camp), and the remains of an early 20th century rifle range, with a nice little cafe for a coffee and an all-day breakfast after exploring.
Over to you.
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A bit trickier one this. I'd like to know not only which building it is in, but what is the significance of the excavation, and for bonus bragging rights, what (possibly) was found therein?
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Rochester Cathedral Crypt with the earlier Norman east end of the Cathedral, Roman building remains and the medieval graves?
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Maybe I should say this in the Technical thread, but it is quite relevant to Guess the Place.
As with this photo, I often drop the GTP photos onto my laptop and do a few tweeks with Windows 10's basic photo viewer edit functions.
This often improves the clarity of the images to help answer the quiz. (I do this with my own photos routinely anyway)
I include this example of how a few seconds of tweeking can improve lighting and detail.
Have a play. You will be surprised how you can improve your digital images before you archive them, not just GTP images.
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Well done CAT. You answered the two key questions: Rochester Cathedral Crypt and the old (Gundulph) East End. Bragging rights are withdrawn though, no Roman buildings in that shot. The excavation was at the centre of the East End where according to both Palmer and St. John Hope there was the silver shrine of St. Paulinus (sometime Bishop of Rochester and first Archbishop of York; died 10 October 644) projecting beyond the wall. St. John Hope reported finding a decayed wooden coffin and bones in this projection. In 2015 excavations rediscovered this projection and that is the deeper part shown. Two, as yet undated, long bones were found there. Is is possible, but not proved, that this is the last resting place of St. Paulinus and the bones may be his.
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Hi Local Hiker. Point taken, but I always archive originals (just as I used to save negatives) and then fiddle with them later (akin to printing). I'd run this through GIMP to shrink it from 5.6 MB down to 214 kB, and accepted the poor quality as a requirement of this forum. Maybe a bit more fiddling next time. BTW, don't assume that everyone is in thrall to Windows!
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MartinR, I should have caviated that other platforms and operating systems are availabe.
Your point regarding avoiding changing original images is also important. I have been known to overwrite originals and regretted it.
My phone camera routinely over exposes pictures however much I fiddle with its settings. so having free, readily available applications to adjust my pictures is useful. Maybe other members who are not aware might be interested to know that they can too.
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I could still claim the bragging rights as your initial question was 'what is the significance of the excavation, and for bonus bragging rights, what (possibly) was found therein'. Your picture only showed a small portion of the total excavation, which did reveal evidence of a Roman building. The locating of the grave within the chapel projecting from the earlier east end was a secondary discovery compared to the overall project, which covered almost the entire crypt floor area.
Moving on, here is my next, which despite it being a roughly 200 year old drawing the ruins have not changed much, but where is it?
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Not a guess, just a slightly clearer image...
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I think this is the ruins of St Mary's Church near Hythe ?
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You have it John Walker, it is the ruins of St Mary's Church, West Hythe.
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Thanks CAT
Next one ...
What and where?
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Clue: - Coastal - a busy place.
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Clue: Victorian but still in use.
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Folkestone?
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Further East (ish) CAT
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As far east(ish) as Dover?
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Sorry my direction wasn't very accurate. Now actually checked on a map and it's more NNE :) That should help narrow the location down...
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Samphire Hoe(ish)?
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Go NNE for around 20k :)
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Sandwich?
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Almost there - just a hop across the bay now.
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It's a slippery slope ....
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Ramsgate?
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Ramsgate it is. The men in the photo are sandblasting something ...
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Are they cleaning/restoring one/both of the slipways at the eastern side of the harbour where the steam tug is located?
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Close enough CAT. They were sandblasting a barge on the slipway in preparation for a re-paint. Over to you.
A working slipway constructed in 1838 to improve the repair capability of John Smeaton's 18th century harbour. The design follows Morton's patent.
The ramp is 40ft wide and measures 300ft above low water, sloping at 1:16. It is constructed from granite blocks and topped with three sets of double rails, 11ft apart. Along these runs a wheeled cradle which can bear weight of up to 500tons.
The cradle was originally worked by a manual capstan but this has been replaced with an electrically driven winch.
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Many thanks John Walker, that had me going around the houses, well, the coastline at least.
here is my next, but where is this Kentish religious establishment?
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Still searching - I've never seen a church (I presume it's a church) quite like this one before. Is it near the Kent borders?
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My own previous comment made me think that perhaps I shouldn't be looking for a church. A search under 'Priory' gave me the clue and I remembered years ago going to an event at Bilsington Priory near Ashford. I found an image of it and I think it's the place?
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You have it John Walker, it is what was left standing of St Augustine's Priory, Bilsington, now a smart wedding venue.
Over to you
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Thanks again CAT - seems like it's just a two player game at present :) . Perhaps this next one will bring others in.
Where is this?
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The problem is, if you live in east Kent area, you may not know enough about west Kent area,
and visa versa ---- at a rough quess ----- Maidstone Prison
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Inner bailey buildings, Dover Castle?
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The problem is, if you live in east Kent area, you may not know enough about west Kent area,
and visa versa ---- at a rough quess ----- Maidstone Prison
Not Maidstone Prison Castle261.
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Inner bailey buildings, Dover Castle?
You have it CAT - over to you...
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Sorry for the delay and thanks again John Walker.
To try and readdress the East - West Kent issue here is my next. But where?
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It's called a castle, but is more of a fortified house
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Lullingstone Castle?
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Penshurst Place?
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Thank you CAT. I don't really have anything cryptic so here is an alternative view of a Kent attraction that Mrs Stewie and I visited for the first time earlier in the year.
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Looks like Chiddingstone Castle. Must go there one day.
John
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It most certainly is John Walker seen from the rear. Over to you. :)
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Thank you Stewie
Next one ... Where is this?
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Bit of a long shot, but is the garage structure the old Faversham police station? The lamp looks suspiciously similar to the one from there that's on display at Bluewater.
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Well spotted MartinR but it's not Faversham. This one is away from my usual area of entries. A lot of the buildings still exist but some have been replaced with an ugly modern building (in my opinion anyway)
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Looks like a view looking north along West Malling High Street?
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Spot on CAT. :)
The changes are the two buildings after the man standing with his bicycle. The Fire Station and The George Hotel, torn down in 1971 and replaced by a TESCO!!!
Over to you ...
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Again, sorry for the delay.
Here is my next. The date of 1802 is fairly significant to the building as well as the place this building is in
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CAT, you have left the lat long in the file properties.
In Windows, to remove properties, right click on file, select "properties", and save a copy with properties removed.
Sorry if I am teaching you to suck eggs, but others may not know how to.
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Many thanks for that Local Hiker, I was in a rush to get this up so forgot to remove the data. Unfortunately, now it's posted I can't change it, so if others know how to trace the Long/Lat then it should be easy?
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A quick clue: It's in a former coastal town
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Your coastal clue made me think of Sandwich but not many roads there have house numbers to 150 - so then I turned to Hythe - St John's Hospital A Grade II Listed Building in Hythe, Kent - Altered in 1802.
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You can remove or replace posted images and edit the text on existing posts using the "modify" option.
So, you could remove the image with properties and replace it with a copy after removing the properties.
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Many thanks Local Hiker, I shall remember that for next time.
You are correct John Walker, but why is the date of its modification significant to the town and the Kent coast?
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Not too difficult, and not specific to the town, though it greatly impacted the town of Hythe. Think of what's going on nationally with regards our European neighbours, especially along the Kent coast?
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Would late March (say 25 or 27 according to different sources) be a time for a quick trip to North France?
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March of 1802 was when the Treaty of Amiens was signed, ending the French Revolutionary War and heralding the start of a 14-month period of peace known as the Peace of Amiens. This would have impacted towns along the Kent Coast because open trade across the Channel would have restarted after nine years of war. Vessels carrying cargoes and people across the English Channel would have been able to do so without fear of being seized by privateers or Naval forces.
Sadly, it was all to end when what is commonly known as the Napoleonic War broke out in May of 1803. The situation was exacerbated by the Orders in Council in 1807, themselves the British retaliation to a French embargo, which led to an explosion in smuggling all along the south coast, in which fortunes were made by those involved in it.
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A thorough explanation stuartwaters and totally correct, thought the Napoleonic war would have sufficed. As John Walker got the initial location it should go to him, but I'll let you resolve it between you both?
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Thanks CAT. I've had a few entries lately so over to you Stewartwaters :)
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Not for me John, I was only filling the gap. You got the location, so you have it.
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Thanks Stuartwaters.
Next one - where was this taken?
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In the grounds of a country house?
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Is the gent a doctor (judging by his bag) and probably during WWII as he is carrying a white painted tin hat?
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You don't think that he was a member of the "White Helmets" motorbike display team then? ::)
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The Pramulater is of wartime vintage, the field gun between the two, puzzles me !
I thought it may have been ` Canada House ` before that. ( doctor & pram )
He may have been a part time `Warden `.
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All heading in the right direction. He would have been a doctor with his rescue dog. The dog would locate trapped people after an air raid. The lady is a Nanny.
A country house but not too far out into the countryside. It still exists.
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East or West Kent? Still a private country house?
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East Kent
House and Garden are open to the public.
(All might not be as it seems ...)
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https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1940s-re-enactment-couple-doctor-nanny-vintage-pram-rescue-dog-73470095.html (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1940s-re-enactment-couple-doctor-nanny-vintage-pram-rescue-dog-73470095.html)
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Yes, that's my photo Local Hiker - one of my 6000+ images with Alamy under my Bax Walker Images pseudonym. I was covering a 1940s event. :)
But where was it taken?
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Says "Taken at Quex House near Birchington Kent." on the link, 20th May 2013. What is the dog wearing?
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You have it Local hiker - Quex House
My sister and Brother in Law - 1940s re-enactors. The cape on the dog is to carry water bottles if they find someone trapped.
Over to you :)
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John Walker, thanks.
The filter to "age" your photo is quite effective.
I wondered about the cape; it did not look like a normal dog coat.
I have a change of tack now.
I had a fun day back in 2016. Where was I? I was completely amazed. I did not know the place existed a few days before, and I am quite a train buff.
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Is this the Norton Ash Miniture Railway at Brogdale, Faversham?
I must confess that until looking for this, I knew nothing of it either.
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Looks like the Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway.
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Spot on MartinR. A little gem hidden on the Downs. I really enjoyed my day there.
This is my record of the day...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjXTBsIR0EBXeWFQHvYqt4GuP68qgdNtu (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjXTBsIR0EBXeWFQHvYqt4GuP68qgdNtu)
Over to you.
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Last time I was there was '96. Must go back.
Here is an interesting way to hang a bell. Why there are two ropes I'm not sure, you would only need one and gravity. Look closely at the wheel though, how to hang a bell on the cheap: a bike wheel and a lump of wood! Where is it though?
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Is this a private chapel/church?
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Aylesford Priory has a lot of dormers - is it there?
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@John Walker: it's not attached to an actual chapel/church. @johnfilmer: yes, its in the cloister area.
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First quick look I thought my mums mangle had turned up after 60 years :) :)
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Hi MartinR, Are you saying that JohnFilmer has guessed it correctly with Aylesford Priory? :)
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Yes, sorry I thought that was clear.
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Sorry, I misread Martin's earlier post so did not realise that my wild-ar*ed guess was actually right :)
So now for something completely different... The photo was sent to me very recently by someone who was our cheap trainee in the early 1980s. The building was designed and built in house about 1980 and demolished 2016ish. It is still a vacant site.
Photo taken late 81/early 82. I had the doubtful pleasure of charging about in the Ford Granada as my company barge.
Not very historic you may say, but next door was a Victorian pumping station, now converted to flats.
But where?
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Nelson Terrace, Luton?
Alec.
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Go south(ish)
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The listed Pumping Station has some of its (previously) functioning parts in full view, where they always were.
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The bollards are still there in GE in September 2018. Forstal Road, Aylesford
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Well done Local Hiker. It was Phoenix House, Forstal Road, at the time home to the Dixonheat Group.
The pumping station still has a row of accumulators along the road frontage.
I left in 1984 to strike out on my own.
Over to you
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Thanks johnfilmer. I am very familiar with the pumping station; it is quite a striking building. I was not aware that it was flats.
I have some photos somehere, but cannot find them on my PC. The riverside path (Medway north bank) was closed for a while a few years ago, and the diversion took you onto Forstal Road and right passed it.
I have no recollection of the specific building in your GTP photo; I note that the whole area has been bulldozed and is being re-developed.
Back to churches. Where is this?
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Minster Abbey?
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Diapason, you have guessed the place correctly. The Abbey Church of St Mary and St Sexburga in Minster on Sea, (not Minster Ramsgate).
The old meets the new with the modern rectory and function room in the car park on the left.
This site says more than I can. https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1273489 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1273489)
I can hear the bells from my garden.
Over to you.
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There's more about the bells here: http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=135 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=135) Number 3, 5 and 6 (tenor) are the original 1663 bells, so (discounting a bit of retuning to 5 and 6) you are hearing the same sound as rang out 350 years ago.
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Next offering, with a very tenuous connection with the previous GTP photo.
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That has a look of Sandwich ...
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Yes, I agree! But unfortunately it isn`t Sandwich.
Close to a large church and an abbey. (That should give it away).
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I should have got this one straight away - I lived 3 minutes walk from it a few year ago!!!
I won't put a 'guess' forward as it wouldn't be a Guess :)
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Abbey makes me think of Minster-in-Sheppey, but that's only a guess.
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Wrong Abbey!
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If there haven't been any further guesses by this evening, I'll put my guess in to keep things moving.
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Sorry John Walker, I think I'm going to snatch it from you?
The White Horse, Church Street, Minster (Thanet). If correct, its a bit crafty as its been blanked out on Google Streetview.
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Sorry, should have said the former 'The White Horse', as I think it's now closed?
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Well guessed CAT.
Picture taken last year on my first visit to Minster, my father`s birthplace and where my grandfather was engineer at the Minster Laundry.
The old Laundry.
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Many thanks Diapason. I knew I'd seen the building somewhere on my work travels, which was about 2 years ago.
My next is my current work travels, but where and who was it built for?
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Is it a tower at the rear of Cooling Castle? Built by or for the Cobhams. I think masonry fell from one of the front towers a year or so ago?
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I'm not going to quibble about front or rear, it's the south-eastern corner tower of Cooling Castle. Correctly mentioned that it was built for the Cobham family in the last quarter of the fourteenth-century as a defence of the southern side of the Thames Estuary. Then the marshes to the north were not so well developed and an open water course extended from the Estuary up to the Castle.
Masonry has fallen from the eastern tower of the main south gate, but this is in the process of being restored at the moment.
You have it John Walker
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Thanks CAT
Next one ... Name and Where?
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Wealden church (west of Ashford)?
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Yes CAT - West of Ashford and what I believe is 'Weald' country.
One of our members should get this quickly :D
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I'll hazard a guess and say St Mildred's church in Tenterden.
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Not Tenterden Stuartwaters - Head North West a good few miles. I believe it's the High Weald area.
One of our active members was within a stones throw of this church earlier in the year ;)
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Benenden?
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My guess is St John the Baptist , Penshurst.
:)
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Not Benenden Diapason.
Not Penshurst Grandrog but you are getting hot :)
Nice 'olde' pub opposite. :)
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St. Mary, Chiddingstone?
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You have it Diapason :) .
(I was expecting Stewie to get it first as he was in Chiddingstone with his wife earlier in the year and he posted a guess the place of the castle.)
Over to you Diapason ...
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Thanks, John Walker, That wasn`t an easy one.
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Holy Trinity Church, Queenborough (south side)?
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Spot on, CAT
Over to you!
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Many thanks Diapason
Here is my next, which is a painted view of 1737, but where?
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Scotney Castle?
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https://www.wikiart.org/en/george-lambert/ruins-of-leybourne-castle-kent-from-the-south-west-1737 (https://www.wikiart.org/en/george-lambert/ruins-of-leybourne-castle-kent-from-the-south-west-1737)
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Not Scotney Stewie, but Local Hiker has it with Leybourne Castle. Over to you Local Hiker
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Thanks CAT. I am not familiar with the place.
It is interesting to see some of the castle tower walls still exist as part of the modern building, http://www.ecastles.co.uk/leybourne.html (http://www.ecastles.co.uk/leybourne.html)
I took this photo back in the spring because I liked the blossom.
I gave no thought to the background at the time.
Where was I?
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Were you were walking around the outer moat edge towards the main entrance to Leeds Castle?
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CAT, I was indeed. That is the gatehouse through the blossom.
I guess that I need to get out with the camera more since I have resorted to using photos of one of the most famous landmarks in the world to play GTP.
Over to you...
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Though the jaunty angle and the blossom camouflage helped :)
Here is my next, but where?
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Not having a lot of luck with this one so far. Does it still exist?
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It does still exist, but the pic I posted is an early one ahead of its restoration. Whilst the restoration was fairly severe, the church is still fairly recognisable.
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At first I thought the negative of this church had been printed with the wrong side down on the paper, but on second thoughts, now knowing that there had been some alteration, the only church that I can think of that bears some resemblance, is St. Mary, Teynham, viewed from the south, although I don`t think it is and am very interested where this church is.
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Well the with a porch is unlikely to be a priest's door into the chancel, so that implies the east end is to the left of the picture, the view must therefore be from the north. I'm still no closer to identifying it though.
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Well the door with a porch is unlikely to be a priest's door into the chancel, so that implies the east end is to the left of the picture, the view must therefore be from the north. I'm still no closer to identifying it though.
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The photo is not in negative Diapason with the view being of the North side of the church as MartinR rightly deduced. It's not Teynham, but is a church in East Kent. The porch is actually concealing the North door, which is the main entrance despite it having a larger west door.
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A quick clue.
The church, which dates from the twelfth-century, possesses part of Canterbury cathedral as one of its fixtures.
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Does the tower remain much the same?
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Only the lower two thirds of the tower remain, the top third being remodelled in the restoration.
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St. Peter's Sandwich? In 1727 6 bells were purchased from Canterbury Cathedral, recast into 8 in 1779 but unringable since 1913.
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Afraid it's not St peter's in Sandwich MartinR, your a little to far east.
The Cathedral fixing is slightly more rarer than the bells. In fact you could say it is almost unique.
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Struggling with this one. I usually use the tower as my first pointer ie, Spire, castellations and windows etc but as it seems this tower has been remodeled this won't help.
It seems we're looking east of Sandwich so a quick guess, St Nicholas Parish Church, Ash
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I can see, and like, your line thought chain John Walker, and your getting closer, but it's not At Nicholas', Ash. Further west(ish)
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Another quick clue.
The manor (not parish as it predates the establishment of parishes) this church served is regarded as one of the earliest to be given by the son of king Ethelbert to the newly established monastery of Christ-church.
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Northbourne? It was apparently given by Eadbald to St. Augustine's Abbey in 618. I'm having trouble with the "part of Canterbury cathedral as one of its fixtures" unless you are referring to the skeletons of the child Princes Ethelbert and Etheldred murdered in 665.
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How about Church of St Mary the Virgin, Fordwich ?
What is thought to be part of St Thomas's Shrine is in there. I can see some resemblance to the old photo but if it is the right church, it has changed a lot.
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Afraid neither of your guess' are correct with Fordwich or Northbourne John Walker, but you are getting closer. You'll probably kick yourself when this one is got.
This manor was also given by Eadbald, but earlier than Fordwich.
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I can't see an exact match but some similarities - St Paul's Church, Canterbury ?
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Not St Paul's John Walker. It's not town/city location, but out in the villages
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Holy Innocents Church, Adisham? A medieval frame from the cathedral is inside.
If it is that church, then you are correct - I will be kicking myself - I have ancestors who were baptised and married there! ::)
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Pending confirmation from Cat, I think you have it; well done. See the illustration at the foot of https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/arch-cant/vol/14/adisham-church (https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/arch-cant/vol/14/adisham-church) for a post-Victorian restoration view. Earlier in the article there is also a line drawing of the reredos. There's a description of it pre-"restoration" at https://archive.org/details/notesonchurcheso00glyn/page/244 (https://archive.org/details/notesonchurcheso00glyn/page/244)
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I hope you don't wear large boots John Walker because it is indeed Holy Innocent's Church, Adisham from the north.
A view difficult to get today because of trees and shrubs in the churchyard. The pic I posted is from the late 1850-early 1860's and predates the restoration by the then vicar Rev. Montague Villiers in 1868/9. The chancel roof was replaced with a steeper pitched tile one and the tower was foreshortened and covered with a pyramidal tile roof more akin French roofs than Kent. With regards to the part of the cathedral, The church possesses a portion of the twelfth-century timber altar back, or reredos, salvaged from the cathedral by the then vicar during a remodelling of the cathedral's quoir in the early eighteenth-century.
Over too you.
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Thanks CAT - that was a good one. It didn't look like a match on Google View at first but the long narrow windows gave it away.
Next one - where is this plaque located?
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Salt doesn't seem to have affected it.
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That must be Walmer somewhere on the Beach.
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Spot on Grandarog
On the strip of lawn between Beach Road and the beach at Walmer.
The inscription reads. The first Roman invasion of Britain led by Julius Caesar landed near here LV BC
Over to you :)
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Thanks, I wasn't quite sure where it was I new it was somewhere along there.Saw it when we walked along after taking grandchildren to Walmer Castle and Deal to see the Time Ball.
Try this one from early 1900's.
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Dartford?
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No further east . Clue ...............Swale area of ME postcode.
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Faversham ?
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How about Sittingbourne, opposite the Bull, what was woollies?
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South end of Preston Street, Faversham, approximately opposite the South East Coachworks.
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You have it ,Diapason.Well done. Over to You
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That was a `pure` guess, and although I was very unsure, it immediately reminded me of Preston Street.
Next one . . .
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The Thomas Horn Beam Engine, Bredgar Light Railway ?
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I didn`t expect it to `go` as quick as that!
Look forward to your next photo.
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I expect all of us that have been to the Railway recognized the Beam Engine. They ran it at lunch time last time I was there. Young or old its a good value day out.
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Thanks Diapason. I haven't been there yet but I remember someone mentioning a well preserved beam engine there. Must make sure I go there next year.
Next one. Part of a larger church. This view can be seen on Google Street View but there's a lamp post in front. (Not Canterbury for a change - further east)
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Town or village church? Interesting that it looks like the portion nearest the camera (north aisle(?) is built of Ragstone blocks, but the tower (west end) is if brick. Church rebuilt/restored or built in the nineteenth-century?
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Town Church. Salty air doesn't appear to have affected the fabric,
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St Clement,
Sandwich?
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Are we looking as east as Deal or Walmer?
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Not Sandwich, Deal or Dover. More northerly than those towns.
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Is it right on the coast or slightly inland?
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About 5 minutes walk from the coast.
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That would suggest it is Isle of Thanet?
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Isle of Thanet is correct :)
The church contains five items from a Canterbury church.
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Are they three fingers and two toes of an archbishop?
Seriously, bells from Canterbury?
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Not toes or fingers CAT ;D
Yes - 5 Bells. That should narrow it down nicely.
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That must be St, Saviour, Westgate-on-Sea which obtained 5 bells from Holy Cross Canterbury (via Whitechapel) in 1975.
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Significantly older, I note that the number 5 was cast between 1360 and 1380, so about 650 years old! There is an article about the bells here: http://kent.lovesguide.com/articles/westgate1976-07-30.pdf (http://kent.lovesguide.com/articles/westgate1976-07-30.pdf)
Right, on to the next one. I had two in mind, but the outdoor one was unphographable in the murk and autumnal darkness of today. The other was indoors, but some bright spark has hung Christmas decorations in front of it. It's not even Advent yet, bah humbug!
So lets see how quickly you can locate this grade II listed building then.
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This would be The Catholic Church of the English Martyrs located at the junction of Mill Road and the A228 (Frindsbury Hill). I attended family services there in the late 1970's. Growing up in Wainscott, this image was immediately familiar to me.
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Yes Jim (Jima?) you're quite right. I knew it would be found soon, but didn't have a better/harder one.
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Thanks MartinR
I recall the inside being very open and light.
Like yourself I have limited difficult images to post. So here is a quick one
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A lighthouse ?
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Why do I do it? That's Upnor Castle.
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I don't know, its like scratching a mosquito bite, you just have to and you did. So its YOUR turn now.
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Just to verify, MartinR has the correct answer and it is now his turn.
Thanks for your suggestion John Walker.
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Another listed building, but what and where?
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If this is where I think it is, I must thank you MartinR for showing this as I have never seen inside before. I would have walked past this literally hundreds of times as a child, on the weekends walking our dog. I won't post my guess as I do not have any images to reply with.
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Is it Frindsbury Barn?
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Well done Cat. There is a brief description of it at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frindsbury#The_manor_of_Frindsbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frindsbury#The_manor_of_Frindsbury) and the formal listing at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1204320 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1204320) It was open for the National Heritage day in 2014 (as the more observant might guess) which was when I took the photos. You don't realise how big it is until you stand inside; from the outside it looks quite low due to the stub walls and long sloping roof.
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Many thanks MartinR. It was the end doors, installed following the fire that destroyed one end, and the piles of burnt timbers in the side aisles that gave it away. Also having worked on the barn recently helped.
Here is my next, but where and what three functions does this semi-agricultural building have accredited to it?
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Bells, stables and water control ?
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I was thinking the same John Walker --- bells--- stable -- water mill. But where -- ( I have not a clue )
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I'm afraid neither John Walker or castle261 are correct with their thoughts, but I can appreciate your line of thinking. Think more agricultural.
It can be seen from a main road route, though not from this angle, and after being concealed by shrubs and brambles for many years.
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An unusual design of hop drying oast?
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Not to do with hops, or drying, John Walker. The building is such an important structure it is not only listed, but a Scheduled Ancient Monument
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East Kent ?
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Yes, East Kent
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Chartham area?
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It is the Chartham area johnfilmer
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Well, I've found the location but not sure what it's uses were.
Burnt House Farmhouse and the Oast House, Chartham Village
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I think you'll find it's the dovecot, not the farm and oast.
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https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/heritage-at-risk/search-register/list-entry/408086 (https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/heritage-at-risk/search-register/list-entry/408086)
MartinR has it ,not me. He beat me to the draw while i was searching. :)
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It is Burnt House Farm, Chartham, but it's not the oast. It is the dovecote, but there are two further reputed agricultural functions to the building apart from the dovecote? Full points are going begging here?
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I assume you're after the pigs and poultry.
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I was indeed MartinR
This is recorded as a rare example of an integral dovecote in the upper room (it's full of nesting boxes built into the inner face of the brickwork), hen-house in the middle room (solid brick floor laid over timber to collect the droppings) and pigsties in the lower room. Dating from the early eighteenth-century, all three uses were majorly important to a small - moderate sized farm (Burnt House Farm), which got its name from the burning down of a large mansion in the early eighteenth-century. Parts of the earlier mansion's diaper brickwork (patterned with darker bricks) can be seen in the surviving farmhouse. As for the dovecote, it is assumed this, and the adjacent barn/stables, were constructed during the formation of the farm from the burnt ruins, the lands of which were subdivided firstly by the construction of the main Ashford - Canterbury Road (A28) in the early 1830's to the north, then by the Ashford - Canterbury Railway to the south in 1846.
Whilst JohnWalker got the location, it was the function I needed also, so over to you MartinR
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Here's a nice little chapel. Bragging rights if you can say what else it was used for and who owns it now. Apologies for the image quality, I was out taking it earlier today and it rained!
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I think it is St Benedicts ,Paddlesworth ,Snodland. For the Brownie points. Owned by Church,s Conservation Trust.
I believe was used as a farm shed for years before it became the Chapel it is today.
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It took me longer to get the photo than you two took to recognise it! I had hoped that a well hidden chapel away from East Kent might be harder.
It is indeed St. Benedict's, Paddlesworth. Grandarog gets the brownie points. Built early 12C. From 1678 until the early 20C it was used as a barn. It was restored and subsequently declared redundant in the 20C and is now in the care of The Churches Conservation Trust.
The pair of you have created a problem for me. You both got it within three minutes of each other. John only identified it by "looks like Paddlesworth" and "probably used to house livestock". Grandarog made a definite statement, included the dedication and ownership. Therefore I'm awarding it to Grandarog, but only by the shortest of short noses. I hope that's fair.
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Perfectly fair by me, for once I didn't check my answer, it just looked like the building that I drove past every day to and from work for about 4years back in the 70s.
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Thank You Martin. John I didn't mean to usurp you .Your post came up when I posted mine.
Getting a bit short of pics of my own ,haven't been around Kent with camera lately.
This one shouldn't take long .
Swale area
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2nd Clue , You might have got Married here. ;)
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Is this by the A2 in Faversham ?
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By the A2 yes but not that close to Faverham.
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Strood?
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Strood ? ----- typing error --- John Walker
My guess -------------------------- Milton
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Strood?
Whoops! - forgot the Swale clue :D
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Following the 2nd clue, this must be Wouldham Church.
It has changed a lot since. It really looks like Hempstead House at Bapchild now.
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You have it Local Hiker.One of those that if you have been there you spot it straight away.
Over to You for the Next. :)
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Thanks grandarog. I had a family "afternoon tea" there back in the summer. I have just driven by it this afternoon on the way to Oare Gunpowder Works!
I am not at home right now. I will post the next photo from my laptop later.
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Sorry for the delay. I am home now.
I was dog sitting for a few days last summer. I took the dog in the vicinity of this one afternoon and stumbled apon it unexpectedly.
Where was I?
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Romney Marsh area?
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Thurnham Castle ?
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It is John Walker.
There are lovely views over the Weald from the country park off the A249 at the top of Detling Hill. The remains of the castle are down the hill a little, towards the Black Horse pub in Thurnham
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Thanks Local Hiker. I must have driven past so often and didn't know the park was there. It's now on my list of places to visit when the weather is a little warmer!
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Thanks LocalHiker. Something rang a bell when I saw that but it took a while before I worked out where it might be.
Next one folks ...
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South side of Princes Street, Sittingbourne ?
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Not Sittingbourne Diapason. Head in an easterly direction. (This structure no longer exists but later clues will help)
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Clue: Small Wheels
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Shot in the dark..... Chatham Tram shed in Luton?
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Not there Stewie. Further east and much smaller wheels. Used to operate in sets of eight within this building.
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Clue: Quite a few fights in this building in the 60s.
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Are the eight wheels roller skates?
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Correct JohnFilmer. Getting hot now ...
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Is it the remains of the former repair 'shed' of the Canterbury Motor Company on Rhodaus Town, Canterbury. This was formerly an agricultural hall before being part converted into a car production company (c.1903) and a roller skating rink (Canterbury Olympia Roller-Skating Rink) in its later years before becoming a car repair workshop again until its closure and demolition for student accomodation?
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I can see your thinking CAT as the clues do fit - but it's not there.
Clue: 1970 is significant.
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Industrial building?
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Leisure CAT .
A narrow gauge rail/tram way adjacent.
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So roller skating is correct?
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The clues lead me to Herne Bay Pier Pavillion.
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Margate`s Dreamland had a skating rink, I have played roller hockey there, in the 1950`s
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johnfilmer has it. Herne Bay Pier Pavilion it is.
The one the photo relates to the one burned down in 1970. Roller Skating and Wrestling in the 50s and 60s was very popular. There was also a narrow gauge railway along the pier to take passengers to the paddler steamers.
I understand there has been three pavilions over the years. It's an open space now with pop-up retail huts.
Over to you johnfilmer
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This date is on a very public, small, wooden structure in mid kent.
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Any connection with Churchill ?
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Headcorn?
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On a church lych gate?
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It is inside a lych gate CAT.
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Boughton Monchelsea - St Peter's Church ?
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Not there JW, but a lot closer to another Boughton.
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All Saints Church, Boughton Aluph
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Note - Closer to - not at. Wrong Boughton by the way.
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are we at Boughton Malherbe?
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The date might suggest a WWI commemorative memorial?
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I believe that it is just the build date of the present structure, as a much more prominent war memorial exists.
Near, not at, Boughton Malherbe is correct so far....
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Gone quiet.
The prominent war memorial mentioned is Grade 2 listed, and not in the churchyard beyond this lych gate.
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All Saints Church Ulcombe ?
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Sorry JW, not Ulcombe, but still in the right general area.
This lynch gate gives access to the churchyard from a square of historic buildings, and leads towards the west of the church. The north porch has a path to the road.
A quick check and the lych gate is obscured on GSV, the only direct view is interrupted by a Transit van.
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St. Nicholas Otham
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KeithG, you are drifting away from the target area, so, no, not Otham
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St Mary's Church Lenham ?
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That's the place JW, and here's what you can't see on GSV.
The prominent war memorial is the white cross on the face of the Downs.
Over to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer. That one took some head scratching. I must have searched every church in the area but your clues helped in the end.
Here we go - next one. I'm away over the weekend but I'll look in on my phone when I can.
John
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Seaside town?
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Could it be Canterbury High Street, before it was bombed out.
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St George`s Street Canterbury
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Not Canterbury. It's a seaside town.
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Looks a bit like Herne Bay, but which bit I haven't worked it out
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Not Herne Bay either.
The post with a long arm on the right side of the photo might help.
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I believe it is Cliftonville Northdown Road
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You have it KeithG.
I wish the trams still operated.
Over to you :)
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Thank you John Walker
It is good to be back "Guessing" again :)
So my first one in 4 yrs is this.... Where was this and does anyone know what is was used for?
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I have no idea where it is, but at a guess, I'd say it was the club-house for a yacht or boating club?
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According to the great god Google this is a postcard image of The Royal Corinthian Yacht Club ,Port Victoria.
Headed RCYC Port Victoria viewed from The River.Port Victoria viewed from the River
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Yes..... Stuartwaters and grandarog both have the use correct but grandarog has all the correct info.
So grandarog it is...... A good read is that website for the
RCYC old as the hills.
There are other postcards but this the least common
Over to you then ;D
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Thanks KeithG,
Nice to have you back on the scene.
Feeling a bit guilty as I used Google to solve your Picture.
Try this one ,where did I photograph this HorseChestnut at 10 o'clock on a Sunny June morning.
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Clearly a churchyard. West Kent?
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I reckon that it`s the tower of St. Mary`s, Upchurch. It`s a bit more than a guess as I recognised your location from the `old` forum, plus the fact that I have driven past the church many times and. with the help of a lady who lived opposite who gave me access to the church, I took some photos of the interior.
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Well Done ,Diapason,
Indeed it is in our lovely Churchyard of St Mary's.
As you found the Church is well worth a visit.It is nearly always open ,if not Key is available from house across the road.
You and others may have seen me renovating some of the rather neglected old Graves when you drove by. I have been compared to Burke and Hare ,when folk have seen me with grave kerbs and headstones spread around a grave before I have back filled and reset them. Luckily I have the Rectors Blessing. :)
Over to you for the next one.
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Well done Diapason for getting it and grandarog for posting and the work on the churchyard.
You may already know of this painting of Upchurch church dated 1765?
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Thanks Granderog, I`ll look out for you when I`m next in the area.
You should be able to get this one - it`s not too far away from the previous one.
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Used to catch newts there when I was a kid. :) Let someone else guess.
Cat the sausage graves in your painting were smotherd in Ivy and saplings before they were cleared last year.
Cat here,s one of the graves before and after. later burial than the ones in the picture.Broken bits of cross were just visible buried in ground.
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I was certain that you would know that one. granderog as we are both from the same area. My Granddad was born in one of the cottages on that really `nasty` bend in the road between Grove End Farm and Bredgar.
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Very nice to see someone caring for a churchyard and its monument, well done Diapason. Shame there aren't a few more people like yourself to deal with all the rest?
Is the lake a mill pond?
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It was granderog, not me, who was caring for the churchyard.
Not a mill pond as far as I know, but I expect granderog will be able to give more information than myself.
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My apologies Diapason. Trying to do to many things at once here.
My sentiments regards the churchyards to granderog.
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Thank you CAT.
To confirm Diapson's comment .Definitely not a mill pond.
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Is it by Gore Road / The St Bredgar?
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Spot on, KeithG.
Your `go`
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I was so close, but so far.
I thought I recognised the view, having worked at Chantry House (the medieval stone house on the opposite side of the pond) and its adjoining timber-framed dovecote to the right of the picture in the past and spent many a lunch break eating a sandwich around the pond.
Well done KeithG.
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Thank you Diapason.
Does anyone remember where this is when new?........
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I can`t say that I remember this store, but you have left the location on the photo.
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Having done something like this myself, I did wonder if it was a 'red-herring'?
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Having done something like this myself, I did wonder if it was a 'red-herring'?
Sort of :)
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Ditto !!
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You are both right 8)
Just keep thinking!
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I am 90% sure I can remember going in here with my mother as a child in the 1960s and for some unfathomable reason, I can still recall her "Co-Op' number, which must have been linked to the modern equivalent of a rewards system. Unfortunately I am unable to post a guess as I do not have anything to reply with. Do you think I would be on the right track with this one KeithG?
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I looks familiar but the wording --- Rocheltta ---does not match up. It is where I worked after George Carters --- It was in Rochester High St, near the Bridge ! ( Before I went to Aylesford )
Mother`s co-op number --- 2188
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Apologies if I have caused some consternation regarding `Rocheltta`, I should not have assumed it was Rochester.
Edit: 14/12/19
In reply to castle261 - is the original building 29 High Street, Rochester?
What is the origin of the word`Rocheltta`? A very strange word that may have been an attempt to disguise `Rochester`?
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I am 90% sure I can remember going in here with my mother as a child in the 1960s and for some unfathomable reason, I can still recall her "Co-Op' number, which must have been linked to the modern equivalent of a rewards system. Unfortunately I am unable to post a guess as I do not have anything to reply with. Do you think I would be on the right track with this one KeithG?
Same here. I remember it well, particularly that part of 'Rochester' :); but I haven't got anything to reply with.
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Superficially similar to a loyalty card. Each time you bought something at the Co-op the amount was recorded against your number. Every so often (annually?) they "made up" the book. The company's profits for the period were divided up and distributed pro-rata according to how much you had spent in the period, it was as though your purchases had bought that many shares. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers%27_co-operative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers%27_co-operative) for more details.
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Mum`s number was 6439. which resulted in many happy Christmases. The TV was `Defiant` (the Co-op Brand). I even had a Co-op bike one Christmas, which had all the appearance of a Raleigh but was badged and painted Co-op. Even the Mangle, used every Monday morning, had Co-op worked into the wrought iron hand wheel which operated it. All paid for with Co-op `Divi`.
The Co-op once had a museum in the Dartford area where the Mangle was renovated and exhibited. Likewise a contraption, found in the roof-space of a former Co-op building, which turned out to be a raisin stoner.
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The local Co-op was just round the corner from my Nan's home in London Road, Canterbury. I would be regularly sent round there to do her shopping. The last thing I would hear as I left the house was always, "And don't forget my Co-op Stamps". An early version of Green Shield Stamps.
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All the posts are interesting about the memories of the
Co-op so i can't offer to where this shop is as there are so many of them.
When my Mum died i was 10yrs old and my Dad used the small Co-op funeral shop in Chatham High Street to get the stamps
Lots of the shops were in old now historic buildings in main High Streets but this one was newly built in 1961 in the Medway Towns and is no longer a Co-op
Gillingham had the Gillingham Co-operative Society
Chatham had Chatham Co-operative
Rochester had its Rochester Co-operative
So if a "red herring" where is this shop?
You have to think how many separate towns were in the old Medway Towns
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It's the Rochester Co-operative; obviously situated in........Strood High Street. Now a Sports Direct.
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Yes, shoot999 you have it
The wide entrance on the left of the picture was a walkway right through to Commercial Road which still runs along at the rear of the shops when the one way traffic was introduced.
Well done and over to you :)
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Scrapping the barrel with this one I'm afraid.
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Can't believe i used to go there 64yrs ago!
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Queenborough?
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Queenborough?
Not Queenborough. Should add this was demolished shortly after this pix was taken in the mid 60s
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A Youth club in the Medway Towns ?
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A Youth club in the Medway Towns ?
Medway Towns it is. Not a club; but plenty of people in and out all day long. Replaced with something similar and still in use today.
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Doctor's Surgery ?
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Try a wider view. It's use is not significant. So its more where it's located.
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Is it the old NAAFI shop Brompton.
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Is it the old NAAFI shop Brompton.
No, but your getting closer to the destination. Once you saw this on your right, and the ???? on your left, you knew you had arrived.
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Old Job Centre at the Brook in Chatham ( people going in & out --- new car park--- on the right )
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Not the Brook, you must have taken a wrong turning from Brompton. Go the other way.
And you are right about a car park, although only recently. To most of us it was something a bit more fun then that back in the day.
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Are we looking for a swimming pool, like Medway Park? People in and out ?
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Are we looking for a swimming pool, like Medway Park? People in and out ?
One of the many things there is a pool
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Buxton Park ?
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It is the entrance to the Strand, at Gillingham Green. I think it stood approximately where the sailing club yard now is. Francis Frith has a photo of it from 1955 which makes interesting viewing.
DTT
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Buxton Park ?
Not heard of that John, but you were mighty close with Medway Park
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It is the entrance to the Strand, at Gillingham Green. I think it stood approximately where the sailing club yard now is. Francis Frith has a photo of it from 1955 which makes interesting viewing.
DTT
You have it Dave :) This was taken just weeks before it was demolished and I've included the more obvious view towards the entrance to the Strand that was taken at the same time; as well as the tradition view in its heyday. And although now a car park opposite it was for years the paddling pool and boating lake.
Ive lived in Cornwall for 40 years and my kids and their kids are surrounded by the best beaches, etc that you could wish for. Yet whenever we visit Kent its the same refrain 'can we go to the Strand!' My mother used to go their as a kid in the 1920s; me in the 50s, and nearly a century later my grandkids will be going next year in the 2020s.
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Thanks Shoot999. I like your earlier photos taken before they were removed. I have always liked the Strand having spent many happy hours there.
Next one, no clues just yet...
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It looks coastal ? Makes me think of where the Jet filling station is on the Sandwich Road, Cliffsend?
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Well done, John. You have it. It is here on this 1963 map, if the link works. You will need to zoom out a couple of times if you are not a subscriber, but the detail is good enough. I lived not far from here, in the 1980s but I think it may have been gone by then.
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/634568/163881/12/100954 (https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/634568/163881/12/100954)
Over to you.
Dave
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Thanks Dave
I wasn't certain but I would have driven past it many times in the 60s. It must have left an imprint in my memory.
Next one ....
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Thank you Dave The Train -- you have solved a puzzle with your map of Cliffs End Hall.
I have been trying to find out about it for a long time.
It was the residence of the` Scale`s family ` --- I went there before the war, as a boy.
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Was the photo taken from a church tower?
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East Kent, Faversham area?
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John Filmer Yes a from a church tower.
CAT More mid Kent - 1.5km from a major route through Kent
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Bit of a punt - Egerton?
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A very good punt John Filmer
Egerton it is ... Over to you ;D
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OK, after a bit messing about I have got an image off my phone and onto the laptop.
So which building does this sit on top?
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That' s on the dome of the Clock tower on the Guildhall Faversham Town Centre.
The clock beneath the Dome was made by Francis Crow ,who made my Grandfather Long case Clock circa 1799.
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Quick as a flash - local knowledge trumps google any day :)
Over to you grandarog
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Thanks johnfilmer ,
I tend to feel a bit guilty when I get an easy one .
Lets see if this one lasts more than 10 minutes. :) [size=78%] [/size]
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I am going to have a proper "guess" and say the model railway on the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch Railway.
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Good "guess" but way off. :)
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Inside -------- the Hornby Centre --- near Ramsgate ----- ?
I contacted ` Hornby `to see if it WAS them !
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AIMREC?
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"Google is your friend" (though actually I use DuckDuckGo): Ashford International Model Railway Education Centre
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Sorry folks you are all way off target.
Keep trying .
I am surprised it didn't go straight away.
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Should we be looking for a model shop ?
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Ramsgate old model village?
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Not a model shop ,its obviously a part of a Train Layout but where . Not Ramsgate or Ashford .It has been discussed on the old Forum and we have had associated guess, about the place its at on there and this forum..
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A stab in the dark as I've not been there yet - an indoor layout at Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway?
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An other stab in the dark, an exhibition at the Elham Valley Line Trust Countryside Centre & Railway Museum, at Peene near Folkestone?
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Could Sittingbourne Light Railway --- have a model railway too ?
I avoided the rush to get over to kyn`s old site !
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John Walker Has it a very accurate Stab .
It is Ramsau ,one of the Stations on the German themed Model Railway. It is just one of the many attractions at Bredgar and Wormshill Light Railway.Definitely a good value and well worth a visit on their Summer Open Days.
Over to you John. :)
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Thanks again Grandarog
I hope to get there sometime next year.
Next one folks ... What and where?
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That structure reminds me of Hempstead Valley. could it be whilst it was being built?
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MartinR The structure probably looked the same as this at one stage while it was being built, but it's being demolished in this photo. - Not Hempstead Valley.
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When it was built the locals said it would be more keeping with being on a farm.
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A retail establishment or entertainment facility?
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Entertainment Shoot999
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Further clue: Away from my usual GTP area. Taken when I had a car about 9 years ago. I could catch a bus there now though.
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Ashford area?
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Not Ashford CAT
This structure could be seen from miles away. In fact, with a telescope it could be see from another county. I believe this was the third structure in the same place. all built for the same purpose.
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So coastal, possibly south?
Dover?
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Not Dover, you said entertainment. So a previous Herne Bay Pier?
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Wild Guess Richborough Power Station. :P
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Shoot999 has it - The demolition of Herne Bay Pier Pavilion c2010
Over to you ...
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My great Uncle sitting at the head of the pier nearly a century ago.
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And the next. This has been well documented so no clues.
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Was it where this new house is?
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Yes that's the location. Part of the wall is all that remains. (Not that the wall and railings ever kept us out!)
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It was part of the Block House at Fort Clarence on the Maidstone Road Rochester
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Well done KeithG. Also described as the guardhouse to Fort Clarence. Opposite the old Girls Grammar School and adjacent to the Alms Houses. We lived almost opposite in Morden street. Used to play in there as a kid in the late 50s, early 60s as the wall was so easy to get over. Use the railings to get up on the ledge, lay across the plinth, spin yourself round, and down the other side. :)
Unfortunately a couple of kids got injured; I believe a fatality or two; and it was demolished in the mid 60s.
Surprisingly most of the view apart from the guardhouse is still the same.
Over to you!
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Thanks shoot999......that being around my area i knew the scene well as coming down the hill towards it was the route from my Aunts.
Next is a picture of a now demolished pub which was included to make way for a very large road improvement scheme.
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At last, one I've managed to find. This is a picture dating from the early 1930s of The Swan, or The Old Swan at 1 Wood Street, Brompton. The photo was taken after 1929, when the Maidstone-based Style and Winch was bought out by Barclay, Perkins and Co.
It was demolished to make room for the roundabout at the junction of Wood Street and Dock Road?
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Stuartwaters you are exactly right
I actually remember having to use the old Wood Street route travelling on buses in the mid 50's
The new '60's route a great improvement
Over to you
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My sister worked for the Styles -- They had a house in Boxley -- after the bottom of Boxley Hill.
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Anyone else noticed the lad on the roof leaning against the chimney ? Top left.
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Anyone else noticed the lad on the roof leaning against the chimney ? Top left.
Not until you mentioned it. Reminds me of the old cartoon in the newspapers where you had to find the hidden element.
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Okay thank you. Righto, what and where is this?
A little clue to start with - ME postcode area
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Motney Hill?
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Not Motney Hill Keith. This particular piece of equipment is obsolete and disused now, but the place it was part of serves the same purpose though.
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Looks like a sewage treatment plant ? Crossness Pumping Station?
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Is it accessible by car or only on foot?
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Both good guesses but:
Sewage Treatment Plant - yes.
Crossness - no - further east.
Accessable to the public - no.
Can you see it from somewhere that is - yes - national cycle route runs right past it and you can probably see this from the said route.
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Have new houses since been built on the old site?
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Nope, no new houses on the site. The site is still a sewage works, though new housing developments have led to it being greatly expanded in recent years.
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Coastal ?
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On a tidal river...
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Viridor Plant on the A228 at Snodland?
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Sewage works by Whitewall Creek Frindsbury Extra/Strood?
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Or Milton Regis works hard by Milton Creek?
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MartinR has it. It's actually the Southern Water Sewage Treatment Works at Sittingbourne, although it's actually in Milton Regis. The photo is of the flow-rate meter at the old inlet works.
It measured the incoming flow in the millions of gallons per day. This part of the works is actually derelict now, having been replaced by a new inlet works built in the early 2000's, as part of an overall expansion in the capacity of the plant. In addition to building a new inlet works, some new settlement tanks and a new sludge works were built. The expansion was necessary because of all the new housing built around Milton Regis and Kemsley. Also, more stringent environmental controls meant that the inlet works needed better and higher capacity screens designed to handle all the "rag". "Rag" is what Sewermen call the mass of wet wipes, sanitary towels, tampons, condoms and ear buds which seem to be finding their way into the drains in ever greater amounts these days.
The old inlet works at Sittingbourne is now completely derelict and overgrown with brambles and bushes, but is easily visible from the Saxon Shoreway as it follows Milton Creek up towards the Nature Reserve. I took this photo amongst others while doing some work on the Storm Tank at Sittingbourne.
Over to you MartinR.....
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OK, try this one:
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The top of Chatham Town Hall (or the Brook Theatre)?
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Yes. I was hoping the unusual view might confuse folks, but you're all too sharp. Over to you.
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I pass this almost every day so it was instantly recognisable to me! Hoping this wont last long so nothing cryptic, Where is this fine room?
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The three windows -- remind me of the old NAAFI Club -- for some reason -- right or wrong.
A hotel now.
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The furniture looks to be the same as a Chartwell, the blinds look "Nation Trust" style, so I'm guessing it is Churchill's home at Chartwell.
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Yes Martin R well deducted, Mrs Stewie, my father and me visited here in October, over to you.
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A nice two parter here. Where is it, and what was it originally?
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Queens Avenue, Snodland. Was the old public bathhouse.
I worked next door at 23 when it was Dixonheat 1972-80 and it was still in use then, I think.
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An afternoon looking for the unusual and John gets it in under 2 hrs. Grr! ;)
To all contestants: A happy Christmas to you all and I'll try to confound you next year.
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Sorry about that MartinR but it's such a distinctive building that I knew it straight away. I must investigate Lambert Mews, as the yard through the opening was then Avenue Engineering (Boss Ted Lambert) during my time working there. The Dixonheat offices were best described as ramshackle, and the wall to the left hand side was painted ragstone internally, slightly damp and paint always flaking away.
Happy days though, a good office atmosphere (unless the drains were blocked!) and I met my wife there, she lived along the Holborough Road, and here we are 43years later cooking Xmas dinner together.
Anyway - next one. This is still a pub, though slightly altered. Photo taken in 1938, the ladies are my Grandmother, her sister and her neice who were both over from South Africe on a visit. Mid Kent, on a B road, and near water (but not next to it).
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No luck in my searches so far.
Yalding area?
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Quite close JW, but at the moment anywhere too close to Yalding would be under water rather than next to it!
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Tickled Trout Lower Road West Farleigh?
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Again, quite close KeithG. You and JW are both in the right general area.
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Woolpack Inn Benover Road Benover
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Still hovering near, but not right yet KeithG.
It is alleged to be 17th Century. The configuration of windows and chimneys on the main building looks to have stayed constant, with a new door added between the two ground floor left hand windows.
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I reckon it could me my old Sunday night drinking pub, the Horseshoes in Dean Street, East Farliegh.
It has been much extended out the back, and the chimney has gone but I reckon it could be it.
DTT
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DTT not there. You are all the wrong side of the ditch.
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The Walnut Tree East Farleigh?
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A railway line runs nearby, and as is quite common, the nearest station is named for one village, but technically is in another.
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Walnut Tree Hale Street East Peckham?
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Have you mixed up the pubs called Walnut Tree?
On the right of b/w picture is is your identical pub picture but is now demolished?
The colored pictured pub is still open with a door between the two ground floor left windows?
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It looks as though my photo has been mislabelled twice. In the album, my mother had written that it was "Jack's Pub". Jack was the grand mother in the photo's brother, and was certainly a publican, but I could only find him in Maidenhead from 1920 and later in Bedford, where he died in 1939, still a publican.
However, on the reverse of the photo is written "The Hop Pole, Nettlestead" to which it shows quite a passing resembelence. The old photo of Hale Street still looks like the junction opposite the Hop Pole, but there is a substantial house behind it which is not in evidence at Nettlestead Green, but is still there on modern Street View of Hale Street.
I had looked carefully through Google to check the location but could find no other old pictures of the Hop Pole. Start looking now, and there it is on the same pub site that yielded the Hale Street photo, and it is clearly not the one in my photo.
I should really know better, as I always tell people who are interested in their family history to disbelieve everything that they were told, and I guess that goes for things that are written down as well!
So thank you to KeithG for finding the real location, and over to you.
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Just had a feeling that something was amiss?.........i used to go fishing all around that area when i was 14yrs so it kept me looking and interested.
I shouldn't worry too much as one "Guess" on the old forum had East Farleigh church the opposite way viewing from the river!
Next........where might this be?
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Looks like Birchington ?
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It looks like Birchington because it is Station Road before it had all those "sleeping policemen"
I lived there around 1982-1985
Well done John Walker
Over to you
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Thanks KeithG
The corrugated metal canopy on the left made me think of Westgate on Sea but I was sure I'd seen similar in Birchington.
Next one ...
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Clue: Weald area
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Clue: Near a church ;)
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By a large village green with a nice pub at the other end.
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I think that it was taken from within the churchyard at Benenden, looking down the green to The Street, Bull Inn on right.
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Spot on JohnFilmer - well done. Over to you...
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A cunning plan to show the view from within JW, needed those clues :)
The next one overlooks the Weald, although greatly obscured by trees. The GSV is 2009 so the vegetation has changed a bit.
I took this myself a couple of years ago, so can be certain of its location...
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Did/Does a rather glamorous well known lady live here?
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I think that I'm rumbled, as yes there is/was a well known young lady of, shall we say (trying to avoid "Carry On" phrases...) a certain body shape that with which an earlier actress gave her name to an inflatable life preserver.
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Only problem is - I can't for the life of me find the location now. I have an idea of the general area so the search could take a while.
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It's gone rather quiet. I've remembered where it is but I'll give someone else a chance. If nothing by this evening, I'll put my Guess up.
Might need more clues perhaps ... :)
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A Brook close by?
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I think you may mean K Brook, shoot999 :D
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But where? :-\ Back to google maps for me ;D
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The photo was taken looking away from the more major road, and toward the "interesting" bit of the lane. The more major road links two large villages, each on A roads, and both with railway stations.
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I just drove down the larger road to visit number 2 son, who lives in Headcorn. I live near Wichling.
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Elmstone Hole Road near Liverton Street
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Well done shoot999, over to you.
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Building on the right is long gone.
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Was that building the Red Lion on the corner of Corporation Street /Star Hill Rochester?
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Was that building the Red Lion on the corner of Corporation Street /Star Hill Rochester?
That's the one Keith. Now replaced with 6/7 lanes of traffic. I noticed that the crane in the distance is still there and something of a landmark, known now as 'The Blue Crane'.
Spent most of my childhood and early teens hanging around that area; Blue Boar, Gaumont, Andys Snacks, Jacksons, etc.
My sister in 71 before it all changed.
Naylars on the right. Think they are on the Delce now.
Over to you. :)
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Thanks for that shoot999
Used to pay my Union dues in that Pub on Friday nights in 1966....
Where might this of been?
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Keith, is that a narrow gauge railway, or standard gauge?
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It is a narrower guage than standard...
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Is it the line that used to connect to the RHD railway near Dungeness?
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Would it be the line which connected the Royal Naval Armaments Depots at Chattenden and Lodge Hill to the one by the river at Upnor?
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John Walker... sorry not that line.
Stuartwaters... Yes, it is part of that line
but which part is that particular junction or station.
The trees on the left were part of a wood on a hill and us kids used to play soldiers and play hide and seek around that pillbox.
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I will try a stab at - Grain Halt Station - if I am right -------- I can not do photo`s on here.
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No not Grain Halt Station castle261... that part of the line was not narrow guage.
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Church Crossing; by the sandpits?
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Not that one shoot999...
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Chattenden Railway Depot. Branch to Upnor off to the left and the other to Chattenden Depot and Hoo on the right?
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Yes, bang on John Walker
Chattenden Station it is with the depot behind the camera.
Those woods were absolutely full of primroses and now whenever i see a primrose even in a shop the memories always rush back.
Over to you
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Thanks KeithG,
I don't know the area but I found a track plan of the railway and was able to match it up with your photo. Even the Signal Box and Signal Posts are marked and match your photo. Looks like a great area to have spent your childhood in and around.
Next GTP up later
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Right my first one for 2020
Can be seen in GSV - East Kent
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Coastal
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South of Dover?
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Does the balcony look over the sea?
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Shoot999: More North than Dover
KeithJG: Balcony overlooks the sea
One of a row of four (identical) adjoined properties.
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The statue of a notable person from WW2 looks over the roof of this building from behind. The person and the building are not related.
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E Cliff Parade. Herne Bay. Barnes Wallis statue behind.
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You have it Shoot999
From what I can find out this was originally a row of fishermen's cottages.
And yes, Barnes Wallis looks out to sea over the roof of this cottage,
Over to you
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Think this one may go relatively quickly; although some may be stumped. :) So where is it; and what is it's significance. (arguably).
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Is this in Bifrons Park?
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Is this in Bifrons Park?
No, but it is a Park and the significance is art related.
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It's not the aftermath of the restoration of historic views in Mote Park is it?
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Not Mote Park. A little further west.
And its this specific location that has the connection to the arts. Although the foreground view was somewhat changed by the great storms of 1989
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Remains of 'King Beech' at Knole Park ?
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Remains of 'King Beech' at Knole Park ?
Knole Park it is. Not the right tree stump though. (Although this one is disputed!) Looking at more modern times art wise.
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Strawberry Fields? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#Promotional_film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#Promotional_film)
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Strawberry Fields? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#Promotional_film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#Promotional_film)
That's it MartinR. The stump has been confirmed by one ex-head groundsman; although the current one claims it was an adjacent tree that was fully lost in the storms of 89. There is another fenced off tree that some think is the tree in question; but is in the wrong location. Like all good stories it needs a conspiracy and this one is that the 'no trace remains' tree is a story concocted by Knole Park to deter fans from taking a bit of the stump as a trophy. ;D
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Do you mean the storm of '87' or did I miss one?
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Do you mean the storm of '87' or did I miss one?
Probably. The 89 storm was further west; which is probably what I'm thinking of being down in darkest Cornwall. 124 MPH winds.
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We seem to have stalled :)
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Not stalled, I just didn't have a suitable photo instantly available (at least one which would last more than a microsecond). I'm off out with my camera this morning.
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Sorry MartinR
I wasn't sure if I was correct with just the location of Knole Park or if it was you with Strawberry Fields etc. I can see now that it was your answer that was required. Looking forward to your next offering.
John
I wonder if this is the same tree - the King Beech at Knole Park?
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Taken this morning. What is the date (in Arabic numerals)? What is the structure? Where is the structure?
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Medway Towns?
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No, south aways.
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The photo`s have started coming out on my computer - only one half of it- my equipment or yours ?
I used to slide a photo - using the scroll - sideways ?
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Mine displays it correctly, both as the thumbnail and as the enlarged image.
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Mine displays it correctly as well
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Tonbridge ?
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Was the bottom number the date of original build and was the top number the rebuild date?
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I make the upper number 1900 but the lower letters do no appear to be a valid Roman number ?
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It's two parts of one number. You need to look very closely though.
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So for the first part is the date 1940?
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Not looking closely enough.
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Is the first 'letter' of the lower number a slash rather than an 'X' ?
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No, it's an "X".
Hint: look very closely at the last letter. ;)
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Thank you, the last letter is a 'V' making the date in Roman Numerals 1945. War Memorial somewhere?
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Yes. Earlier I gave the clue that it was south of the Medway Towns.
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Maidstone War Memorial ?
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Assuming Maidstone only has one; yes I'll accept that. It's the cenotaph in Brenchley Gardens behind the museum. You've grudgingly got to admire the abilities of the vandals, that V to M transformation had me puzzled for a couple of minutes and I was standing next to it. I'll forward the photograph with a note to the RBL, I'm sure they are eminently capable of pestering the council to rectify it.
Over to you John.
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Thanks MartinR
That took some head scratching. That is a very neat piece of graffiti. I wonder what the weird thinking was?
There is also an excellent statue of one the the Engineers from Invicta Barracks in that park.
Next one up later.
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Next one .... High Weald ...
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Hate lodge to a big house?
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Hate lodge
;D ;D ;D
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;D
On the edge of a village green. I don't think it was ever a gate lodge.
Still existing and in full view.
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A cheeky one JW...
The same location as one a few guesses ago.
Benenden, The Memorial Hall on the Green just down from the lych gate used previously.
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Well done JohnFilmer - over to you.
I need to get out with my camera asap as stocks are getting low.
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Well done JohnFilmer and John Walker and apologies, as pointed out by MartinR, for my text predict 'Hate Lodge'. I have nothing personal against Gate Lodges in particular except they tend to be rather small for modern family living ;D
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I was amazed that it only dated to 1908. Also shows as Old Village Hall. Still available for hire.
Normal service will resume shortly when I get back to the laptop, no photos on this iPad.
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Like JW I am running low on instantly available photos. I had thought to go take a few, but it has been persistently hissing down, so that didn't happen.
However, try this one. Luckily I enlarged it after scanning it in, only to find the location on a board in front of everyone. So that has been blanked out. I had spent a little while researching where it was, amazingly the board and I agree! Not sure of date, 1930s I suspect.
North Kent.
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Educational establishment? Boarding School for example?
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Not educational. But there are staff, and others.
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A convalescent home near Dartford?
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Right type of establishment, but it was far to the east.
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Building is replaced but the gates still exist.
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Faversham ?
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Keep going east, coastal but no sea view.
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Friendly Society Convalescent Home, Herne Bay - next to the Railway Convalescent Home Elliott House?
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Thanks JohnFilmer
I went too far east to start with and ended up in Thanet, but then remembered passing a couple of big homes in Herne Bay many years ago. I knew nothing of them until searching for this GTP - interesting as I never think of Herne Bay as having such large properties.
Next one - should be an easy one ...
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Not my usual hunting ground ...
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Folkestone?
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Yes CAT - it's Folkestone :)
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Which Folkstone? I looked at Ss Mary & Eanswythe and rejected that, see http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=77 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=77)
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Folkestone, Kent,
This church is near a railway line and a park. It's a very large building when viewed from above.
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Sorry John, I should have been clearer. Which church in Folkstone? From the look of that tower I'd expect a decent ring of bells. In Folkstone there are:
- Ss Mary & Eanswythe (8 bells)
- Holy Trinity (8 bells)
- Radnor Park (URC) (Clock bell & 4 quarter hour bells)
- St Saviour (3 bells)
Single bells:
- Emmanuel
- Our Lady, Help of Christians (RC)
- St Augustine
- St George
- St John the Baptist
- St Michael & All Angels
- St Peter
- Tontine St. (URC)
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South Kent Community
Castle Hill Avenue / Cheriton Road
MartinR...... Typo Folkestone has 2 "e's"
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MartinR When I saw your question it made me think that perhaps there was another Folkestone in the Kent area that I didn't know about.
KeithG has the correct location South Kent Community Church. I can't find any info regarding bells. It's a very large building and appears quite unusual regarding the local community and Worship.
http://www.skcc.info/ (http://www.skcc.info/)
Over to you Keith.
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Here's what I've found. It is the former Radnor Park URC church which was sold to SKCC prior to January 2018 (ie probably completion in autumn 2017), see the press release below. The URC was formed by the merger of the Presbyterian Church and the Congregational Church in 1972, so the church was originally Radnor Park Congregational Church. It was built in 1896 and opened the following year. See page 3 of the F&DHLS newsletter linked below. There is a memorial to 7 men lost and 47 who served in WWI, see the memorial link below. As regards the bells, although it looks like there should be a ring, very few Free Churches actually installed bells in what ought to be the bell chamber. Radnor Park URC just had the clock bell (6cwt, 2qtrs and 10lb) and 4 quarter hour bells.
Links:
- Press release: http://www.skcc.info/pressrelease (http://www.skcc.info/pressrelease)
- F&DHLS newsletter http://www.folkestonehistory.org/uploads/F&DLHS%20Newsletter%20No.%2068%20-%20Autumn%202016%20Final%20Proof.pdf (http://www.folkestonehistory.org/uploads/F&DLHS%20Newsletter%20No.%2068%20-%20Autumn%202016%20Final%20Proof.pdf this)
- F&DHLS memorial https://www.folkestonehistory.org/index.php?page=united-reform-church-radnor-park-folkestone (https://www.folkestonehistory.org/index.php?page=united-reform-church-radnor-park-folkestone)
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MartinR's info on the church raises a point that I have wondered about before. The very nature of Guess the Place often means that we learn more about our chosen targets. At what point should we then take this info and start a thread in the appropriate part of the forum?
I will post about the Herne Bay home when I can resolve a couple of points with my siblings, and better gauge the date. The strange Memorial Hall on Benenden Green is another possible subject
Views/comments?
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Thanks John Walker......
Living in Dover and also Folkestone in the past i go past that church quite regularly.
Next Picture:
Where do you think this is?
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Medway area?
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Yes, Medway Towns 1962
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There is a main A road nearby.
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I think the main road is Chatham Hill, and this is Constitution Road, but I cannot place the pub.
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DaveTheTrain..... You noticed the pub which was a very well known one in its great day's, not a pub now!
But it is not Constitution Road.
The buildings were demolished and a small car park used to be in their place and mainly used by learner drivers??
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Got it. Its the Ropemakers Arms on the Main A2 as you come into New Road. The buildings in the foreground are where the Grahams Office Furniture Shop now is.
I had confused it with the Halfway on Magpie Hall Road, which has a similar corner detail.
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Although i didn't ask for the pubs name or even a pub you did get it correct so i will give the guess to you as you now know the area.
You don't have the geography correct though as this is Old Road which is behind the main A2 and runs roughly parallel to it.
The reason learners used the small car park was because the Chatham Driving Test Centre was around the corner on the main road..... I used this in 1966 when visiting for my car test.
The camera is where the red marker is and you can see the pub on the main road at the junction of Old Road.
By the way the building on it's own opposite on the main road was the Lord Duncan pub
Over to you
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Thought I recognised the pub and the street, as I have a pic taken of the houses from a different angle. Then thought no, whats the chances of two pics floating around of a back street from the same period? ;D I see if I can find it.
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You are correct shoot999 as i used the other photo looking up Old Road on the old forum as a guess the place.
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Thanks Keith. Ah, I can see the arrangement of the road now. What a cracking photo.
Here is mine. The view is very similar today. The row of cottages have gone, but everything else remains pretty much the same.
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Dunno where it is, but what a fabulous photo!
Alec.
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That photo has the look of Chartham Village. Church on the left and a signal box in the distance which I believe still exists?
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Well done JW, it is Chartham. And importantly it does not look very different today,
Over to you..
DTT
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Thanks DTT
Best photo I've seen of that area.
Nearly 60 years ago I would have been riding my Royal Enfield down that road ready to start my shift on Number One Machine at Chartham Paper Mill.
As you say, the view has changed very little.
Next one up later ...
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MartinR's info on the church raises a point that I have wondered about before. The very nature of Guess the Place often means that we learn more about our chosen targets. At what point should we then take this info and start a thread in the appropriate part of the forum?
I will post about the Herne Bay home when I can resolve a couple of points with my siblings, and better gauge the date. The strange Memorial Hall on Benenden Green is another possible subject
Views/comments?
A good idea JohnFilmer. I have learned a lot from the GTP entries over the years. Perhaps, if either the person putting the GTP up or one of the Guessers, knows further points of interest then a new thread could be started as you have already done with the church GTP.
JW
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Next one
What and Where ?
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Is that by Samphire Hoe?
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Not Samphire Hoe KeithG but the right general area of the county.
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Is it one of the railway tunnel vents at Shakespeare Cliff, Dover
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CAT: Not a tunnel vent and not Shakespere Cliff - head south west.
Can be seen on Google Street View.
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The Google Street View which is from a similar angle to my photo is not on a main road.
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South of Folkestone?
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Stay around Folkestone :)
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Its on the beach at Folkestone just a little way along from the Leas Cliff Hall in the Sandgate direction.
Alec.
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Is it one of the posts used for the Anglo-French survey of 1784-1790?
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Invicta Alex has it. It's an art installation with an historical slant. Over to you IA
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Ok, so if I'm stood in front of this sign, where am I?.
Alec.
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Would this be close to a private cricket ground?
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Enjoying the Carpenter's Arms at Coldred?
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Would this be close to a private cricket ground?
Dunno about a cricket ground Dave but if you need a clue then its not far from St.Pancras :)
Alec.
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Well my first go at being "it" on Guess the Place didn't last very long.
Despite me desperately trying to throw a red herring at DaveTheTrain, MartinR with his superior knowledge of Kentish drinking establishments has caught me out.
St.Pancras and the Carpenters Arms are both in Coldred.
To my mind when people talk about deepest darkest Kent, Coldred would get my vote. It really is nowhere near anywhere :)
I can see I'm going to have to try harder next time I win.
Over to you MartinR.
Alec.
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Oi! I've never visited Coldred. :o But I did spend a week last back end doing navigation and fixes. The road map showed that it could only be that T junction, and the Carpenter's Arms
left leapt out at me from the map.
Next one will be along tomorrow - watch this space!
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My mum and most of her side of the family are commemorated in a memorial stone in the graveyard at St Pancras Church and my Grandparents were married there in 1927.
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Given the filthy weather I'm using an image from David Anstiss / CC-BY-SA-3.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/)
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Gillingham Woodlands Road Cemetery?
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No, not Gillingham.
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Medway Towns?
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No, I am allowed out on occasions.
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Swale area ?
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Warmer
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Sheppey ?
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Where on Sheppey?
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Sheppey Cemetery Central Avenue Sheerness?... Halfway.
Pedestrian entrance Halfway Road
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Hlfway was what I was looking for. Over to you.
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Here we are again:
One of my postcards also visible on GSV
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Quick guess - St Mary's Church, Sellinge ?
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Well that was a very quick correct guess John Walker, obviously you get about? :D
Well done and over to you......
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Thanks KeithG
I wasn't expecting that. From what I could see it was very similar but there appeared to be some differences. Possibly changes over the years or just a slightly different angle of view.
Next one ...
The building on the left and the one on the right still exist. Can be seen on GSV.
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Wingham?
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Not Wingham, KeithG - Head roughly south west.
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Nature Reserve and a River close by ...
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North or South of Canterbury?
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South West of Canterbury Shoot999 :)
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The building on the left is derelict now but previously a pub with at least three names over the years.
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As southwest of Canterbury as Stowting or Brabourne?
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A tad more of a westerly direction CAT :)
The scene today hasn't changed a great deal from the photo. The building in the middle distance with the two large windows has gone though.
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In what direction is the camera looking in the picture?
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KeithG - The camera is facing North.
Continue along this road and you pass a large nature reserve and then join a main 'A' Road. Turn left or right at the 'A' road and you head for large towns - one closer than the other.
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On a quiet day you can probably hear Eurostar thundering by.
There is a car park for the nearby nature reserve which is on a common.
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This should help ...
The earliest name I can find for the pub on the left was The Kings Head Inn. There were two other names before it closed.
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Stately Home and Gardens about 1km to the South East. That should be enough to find it with the other clues ...
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Just thought I would mention it John Walker but GSV on my mobile is not working properly and when you go to street view it will not allow??
I for one have been struggling on and do not know how many others affected?
Yes i have a computer but not in my pocket :-\
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Hothfield Post Office on The St.
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Shame about GSV not working on mobiles KeithG - I wasn't aware of that as I've been working via my PC.
Shoot999 has it correct.
The Street Hothfiled.
Hothfield Common is just up the road.
HS1 is about .5 km away.
The A20 is also just up the road - Right to Ashford, left to Maidstone.
Godinton House and Gardens 1km to the South East. I was running out of clues ;D
Originally called the "King's Head Inn." The pub changed name to the "Thanet Arms (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-b/Thanet-Arms-Hothfield.html)" probably around 1834 and then to the "Tufton Bailiffehouse some time after 1987, but sadly closed in 2002.
Over to you Shoot999
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Background has somewhat changed over the years
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That accident is the downhill corner from the traffic lights in Medway Street Chatham ...... behind to the right is the Sun Hotel
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Thought that wouldn't last long. Over to you KeithG.
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Thank you shoot999,
You can just see "Murdoch`s Of Oxford Street" on the left of the picture and i use to go there for my vinyl records in around 1961/2.......the record counter was high and had about
6 or 7 record decks on top with the open sound cubicles behind with headphones to hear your chosen record.
Next one :
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Gillingham ?
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Yes, Gillingham
What road is it in?
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Now to search. :D
The building made me think of Sittingbourne or Gillingham - I plumped for Gillingham.
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Di Mashio made the ice cream behind the shops at their own small factory
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Skinner Street Gillingham.
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Yes, shoot999 you have it...
My favourite Cinema "The Grand" now gone was on the same street and was my haunt in the mid fifties.
Over to you again....
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Thank you KeithG. Our parents were friends with the wider family and neighbours when we lived in Gillingham during the 50s.
On to the next one.
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Allington Lock?
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Not Allington Lock.
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Teston Lock?
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By the main bridge in Maidstone?
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By the main bridge in Maidstone?
Dad, myself and sister in the late 50s. I tried to crop as much as possible, even though the view has changed a lot since then. Well done John. :) [size=78%] [/size]
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Thanks Shoot999
Great photo btw. It was the width of the river that gave me a pointer.
Next one ...
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Edit:...........The Ashford Railway Works Clock Tower?
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That's the place KeithG - Over to you :)
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Thanks John Walker...
Where might this be?
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Near water...... On GSV
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I can't believe I haven't seen this unusual church before. That's got to be one of the shortest towers ever. Not even sure where to start - North Kent?.
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Yes i know what you mean even the roof line is higher?
Also in North Kent
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Near the coast?
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Yes it is coastal.
The old school has been demolished
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Think its St James on the Isle of Grain.
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St James on the Isle of Grain.
Edit:That'll teach me to find a pic before posting ;D [size=78%] [/size]
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Shoot999 and grandarog are correct but sorry shoot999 grandarog has it by 2 minutes :)
I always put up my answer then edit after...... Very cut throat this game!
I was wondering where you were grandarog hope you are well?
Over to you.....
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I was interested by the tower and have added a few notes at https://www.kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=344.0 (https://www.kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=344.0) if anyone is interested.
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Thanks , Sorry for the delay. When I visited St James years ago it was all lock,chocked and tiebarred.No signs to obtain access so had to make do with a look round the graves.
Anyway try this one . The name of the establishment will suffice.
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I searched all over Kent to find this! - I wasn't sure exactly what sort of restaurant it was. And then I found it less than 10 walk from where I live :-[ . Always smells great as I walk past but my wife won't chance 'spicy' foods so I've never actually been in.
Azouma in Church street St Pauls. Canterbury - almost opposite where my primary school was - St Pauls and the church where I was confirmed.
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Very well done John Walker.....
I did go to Sittingbourne then onto Canterbury thinking it looked posh!..... Made me really hungry looking at all the meals, but although i saw this place did not find proper pictures of the decor...... I think Google was just trying to sell me a meal 8)
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Well Done John Walker.
Azouma certainly was and I presume still is an excellent place to try Lebanese Cuisine. I took some American cousins there a couple of years ago ,Very good service and value. They are fans of Lebanese food and reckoned it was far better than they had ever had in the States.
Over to you for the next one. :)
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Thank you Grandrog and KeithG
Next one ... Will probably need clues unless someone recognises it.
These building still exist although the front gardens are mainly used for parking now. Most of it can be seen on GSV. (There is a small section of this road on GSV missing)
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Can we have a Post Code please? ..
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Thanet?
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Not Thanet CAT
TN25 KeithH
A motorway to the west
A busy A road to the east
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Just to the north of Ashford? Say within a few kilometers?
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Just to the north of Ashford? Say within a few kilometers?
That looks about right Shoot999.
A green is close by.
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Wye? The road from the village leading to the Devil`s Kneading Trough?
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Is it Wye Road Boughton Lees?
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Well done KeithG - Wye Road, Boughton Lees. Looks nicer in the photo without the front gardens being used as parking bays. Wiki says that cricket has been played on the green for over 200 years! Not the easiest of GTP's.
Over to you
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Thank you John Walker.....
Where was this......the house behind is still there.
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Is this on the A2 ?
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Yes it is
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This makes me think of a small petrol station and workshop on the side of the old A2 at Barham. Junction with Church Lane. it was still trading in the late 50s / early 60s if I have the correct place.
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Not quite..... More North West
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I seem to recall it from my trips in the 50s and 60s from Rochester to the Lydden Race Circuit. So is it heading towards Lydden or away from it?
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Away from Lydden...
On a hill.
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Dunkirk?
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Not yet...... Further away NW
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Is it all the way over to Key Street, bottom of Keycol Hill?
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Yes, johnfilmer you have it. It is Key Street with the pub on the opposite diagonal corner.
I used to go pass this spot twice a day in the 1970's to and from work for around 8yrs.
As most know road improvements changed the area vastly
Over to you.......
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Picture taken in 1966.
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The place where it was taken still fulfills the same function today, but it has changed and evolved over the years.
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Is it the now Texaco garage at Key Street.... Used to be a small BP garage?
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A coach company?
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Not a coach company JW. I would have loved to use a Key Street based business as the next Place, but no... Right trade though :)
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I was thinking of Chalkwell Coaches which I believe were/are in that area.
How about local bus garage?
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What about the garage that was nearly opposite the now called Dancing Dog Saloon on the Sheppey Way, the old road?
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Alpine Garage on Watson Hill Chalkwell?
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Come south of the A2. Very seasonal, could be up to three times this crew when I worked there in summer 1967.
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On a main route?
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Yes, on a main route
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Doddington Service Station The St?
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A cleaning crew for public transport?
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Not cleaning. Their function is almost completely eliminated, except, coincidentally, at Doddington Service Station (which is not the answer).
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Look carefully at the item on the right...
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Would it be a team providing the old style type of 'service' you got when calling in for petrol? Check oil and water levels, tyre pressures, clean windscreen, etc? Possibly for the passing coastal traffic during the summer?
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Shoot999 has got their function, but where?
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The garage on the A20 near the Marley works / Junction with Dickley Lane ?
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Nope JW, not large enough.
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Is Farthing Corner big enough?
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Farthing Corner it is KeithG, in the days of Top Rank, hence the green and white uniforms.
The four rows of pumps were different brands, petrol one side of the service building, diesel on the other. The queues on Sunday evening were huge, and even with almost one attendant to two pumps plus three manning the tills and oils, it was absolutely manic for hours.
As shoot999 said, we always offered to check oil as the tear off strips on the cans had a points mean prizes value.
This was taken on North side, coast bound, where there was a small garage structure as you exited the pumps. Some very minor repairs were carried out by the resident mechanics. In the back of it was a length of gutter and a wall mounted can opener. The empty oil cans were opened and left to drain and the resulting mixture used on the Bedford CA(?) minibuses that used to transport the workforce to and from this otherwise fairly inaccessible spot in 1966.
The mechanics drove the minibuses, usually like they stole them, and with the front sliding doors wide open. No seat belts, so scary but fun, a bit like a roller coaster ride home.
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So keeping up the Garage Theme:
Where could this of been?
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A Ford Dealership somewhere? That's based on the two Anglias on the lifts and the Zodiac (?) on the right.
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Garage in Medway Street Chatham?
Alec.
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Ford main dealers in Maidstone? Haynes now I think.
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stuartwaters: Yes it was a Ford Maindealer.....somewhere?
Invicta Alec: Not Medway Street
John Walker: Not Haynes in Maidstone.
It is on a road which was one way? ....still there.
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The old garage along the Brook Chatham? I seem to recall the perpetual cold in there whilst waiting for dad to do a few 'deals'.
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Yes, shoot999 you are correct...
At the far end of the Brook on the right hand side on the bend.
The building is still there and is another company doing car repairs etc.
Over to you......
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A two parter. Where and what of significance are we witnessing?
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Depicts a small part of a larger affair.
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From the clothing I'd assume the "affair" was Operation Dynamo, the evacuation from Dunkirk.
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From the clothing I'd assume the "affair" was Operation Dynamo, the evacuation from Dunkirk.
Somewhat later.
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A rescue of civilians? From floods? 1953?
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A rescue of civilians? From floods? 1953?
Close in so many respects.
Some civilians were rescued.
Water was involved.
The right decade.
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I did wonder about the South Goodwin Lightship (LV90) in 1954, but only one man was saved and that was by US Helicopter.
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'Some civilians were rescued' is factually correct. So is 'some civilians were ALSO rescued.'
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Collision with Thames Barge Orwell ?
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Not Orwell. But you are in the right area.
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The Marchionesse collision ? - (not the more recent one)
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John Walker.... Wasn't that London and not Kent?
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Read the civilian clue again. I was only asked about civilians.
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John Walker.... Wasn't that London and not Kent?
This was the one I was thinking of - Greenhithe ...
10 February 1950Marchioness (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SS_Marchioness&action=edit&redlink=1) United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) The collier was in collision with Durmitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SS_Durmitor&action=edit&redlink=1) ( Yugoslavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia)) in the Thames Estuary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Estuary) at Greenhithe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhithe), London and sank. All twelve crew were rescued.
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A collision between a civilian ship and a naval ship?
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A collision between a civilian ship and a naval ship?
Civilian and Navy. Yes.
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John Walker.... Wasn't that London and not Kent?
This was the one I was thinking of - Greenhithe ...
10 February 1950Marchioness (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SS_Marchioness&action=edit&redlink=1) United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) The collier was in collision with Durmitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SS_Durmitor&action=edit&redlink=1) ( Yugoslavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia)) in the Thames Estuary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Estuary) at Greenhithe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhithe), London and sank. All twelve crew were rescued.
Ah!....... thanks for that.
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The memorial plague to those that did not make it is housed in St George's Centre, Chatham.
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This one?
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[/size]14 April 1925[/size]MOTOR BOAT DISASTER.SIX MEN MISSING.Collision in the Dark.A motor boat belonging to the R.F.A. Bacchus, with a crew of eleven, was passing down the Medway last night from Chatham Dockyard to return to the Bacchus, when it collided with a motor barge and sank. Six men are missing; presumed drowned. The accident happened about midnight, and neither the boat nor the bodies of any of the six missing men, who were all attached to the R.F.A. Bacchus have been recovered.
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This one?
14 April 1925MOTOR BOAT DISASTER.SIX MEN MISSING.Collision in the Dark.A motor boat belonging to the R.F.A. Bacchus, with a crew of eleven, was passing down the Medway last night from Chatham Dockyard to return to the Bacchus, when it collided with a motor barge and sank. Six men are missing; presumed drowned. The accident happened about midnight, and neither the boat nor the bodies of any of the six missing men, who were all attached to the R.F.A. Bacchus have been recovered.
Not this one John Walker. Looking at the 50s between a civilian ship and Navy vessel. The large loss of both civilian and service personnel were from the RN vessel.
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Another try - this one fits better ...
On January 12, 1950 the submarine HMS Truculent was returning to Sheerness, having completed trials after a refit at Chatham. In addition to her normal crew, she was carrying an additional 18 dockyard workers.
HMS Truculent was travelling through the Thames Estuary when she collided with the Swedish oil tanker, the Divina, and sank to the bottom of the river.
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You have it John Walker. Truculent went down and all but 10 escaped with the majority of those escaping dying of hypothermia on the many mud banks in the Thames Estuary.
Whilst being employed by the Admiralty the vast majority of the salvage operation; ships, tugs, divers, etc are all civilians. I joined this organisation in 1966 and spent 40 years with them.
The picture shows some of the survivors coming ashore at the Bull Nose, Chatham Dockyard.
This operation was recorded by Pathe News and the scene depicted in the photo can be seen at 1m 15s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlvsWLAT_Tg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlvsWLAT_Tg)
Over to you.
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Thanks Shoot999
Very sad. Great footage from Pathe. Kept me out of mischief for some time trying to identify the incident.
Next one.
Small village close to a town and a river. The scene is very similar today, except a tree now hides the view of the church. Was on a busy route but now bypassed.
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Heading roughly south east behind the camera position would eventually take you on to the bypass and later through a village with a horse on a roof.
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Continue past the church and within a couple of kilometers you will be in a busy town.
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Is it around 73, High St Bridge ?
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Not there Keith. You need to head to the Ashford area.
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Great Chart.... St Mary's is the church?
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You have it KeithG
I was going to add the post code district TN23 but it's a very small area and I think would have taken 'guessers' straight to it.
Great Chart was on the main A28 route but is now quite sleepy since the bypass was built. The church looks quite large - perhaps a future visit.
Over to you
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Thanks John Walker....
I'll be back..
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Next Guess is:
What is happening here and where?
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Looks like Whitstable harbour to me?
Is the vessel a Thames sailing barge? Used extensively because of their flat bottoms making them ideal for river freight.
Alec.
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Re-rigging?
Gravesend?
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Invicta Alec..... Not a Thames Barge or Whitstable.
John Walker...... and not re-rigging at Gravesend.
Although not a very large vessel they did sail very long distances. (clue)
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Is that on the Medway?
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It is on the Medway shoot999
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Masts up so I'm guessing Strood. Offloading/loading. But what?
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Where in Strood and what cargo?
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Along Canal Road between Rochester Bridge and Strood Basin?
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Shoot999..... Yes that part correct but what is it there for?
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Wood pulp for Aylesford.
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Sorry not wood pulp castle261
What the two large warehouses behind deal with is the answer?
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Are they next to the Stewart and Spencer Oil and Seed Mills, which included a vegetable oil soap plant?
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I though of it after -------- Cement
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castle261....sorry not cement those factories are further around the river.
CAT......Yes, they are next to the Stewart and Spencer Oil and Seed Mills which were taken over by British Oil and Cake Mills in 1899 until 1953.
My Stepmother worked for them in the War Years and this company had the only Gantry or Walkway over Canal Road to join the warehouses together, my Stepmother told me of the times she pushed a sack barrow over that Walkway with sacks of peanuts on the barrow.
However the larger Warehouse next door where the boat is alongside is the one which is needed?
They had shops in Strood and Rochester High Street selling corn and seeds from which the boats sailed from Egypt India and Russia.
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Would that be the Horsnaill and Reynolds corn merchants?
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Yes you have it CAT...
They had a shop near Rochester Bridge and also By Eastgate Rochester.
Strood shop picture and the walkway across Canal Road during the flood of 1906.
Over to you.....
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Many Thanks KeithG, though I feel I may have snatched it from others who were very close also?
Here is my next which is a detail of some very important Kentish ironwork.
But where?
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That looks suspiciously like the ancient door to the turret stairs in the north quire transept of Rochester Cathedral.
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It's not that one MartinR, but it could be of a similar age (though I don't know the age of the Rochester door, or ironwork)
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Canterbury Cathedral - Door from the precincts?
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I can see your thinking also John Walker, but incorrect. It is however, on an ecclesiastical building, but nothing as grand as a cathedral, or even a monastery/priory.
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(OT) The Rochester door is the oldest Norman door in England, and one of the oldest in Europe. Visible only by appointment.
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Trying to do some finding but the South Door of Staplehurst Church keeps appearing?
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St. Martin`s, Canterbury?
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Many Thanks KeithG, though I feel I may have snatched it from others who were very close also?
Here is my next which is a detail of some very important Kentish ironwork.
But where?
That's one of the reasons I enjoy GTP. Numerous contributors taking us closer and closer to the answer with their questions and suggestions. Team work!
Not forgetting that the winners 'prize' is to have to sit out the next round, whilst the rest of us carry on playing. :)
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One of the many village churches surrounding Canterbury?
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KeithG has this one. It is indeed a detail of a portion of the decorative iron work on the south door of Staplehurst church. Supposedly representing the Norse tale of Raknorocok, the Norse doomsday, the iron work is supposedly earlier than the timber door. This is implied by the semi-circular decoration typical of Romanesque architecture, whilst the door timber is shaped to a two pointed arched opening of the early English period.
Over to you KiethG
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Thanks for that CAT....
Who remembers what and where this was?
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They look kind of military family living quarters?
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Part of the Brompton Barracks/Royal Engineers complex?
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They were Military living quarters.
Not Brompton Barracks / Royal Engineers.
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shoot999.....while perusing i have just seen those buildings look alike ....but sorry not there.
Near a monument.....
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Opps. Tried to amend my last . but deleted it! Is it the old Kitchener Barracks that looked down on Dock Road, with the statue being of Lord Kitchener? IIRC these were called the Lower Barracks.
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Yes, you have that one shoot999...
It was part of Kitchener Barracks the Royal Marines lived in the quarters known as the Lower Barracks having no more room down over Gun Wharf opposite side of the road.
Picture is now and you can see they left the curved wall standing?
When i was 8yrs in 1956 i used to see the Royal Marines on their Parade Ground ( Medway Council Offices ) in all their kit with white helmets from the top deck of a bus.
Also my Uncle was a resident Plumber who lived in a flat down on the Gun Wharf Grand Store during the 50`s we used to visit quite often with a superb view of the river from the top windows.
Over to You....
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Thank you KeithG. I used to walk that road regularly to and fro the Dockyard in the 60s and early 70s, but couldn't quite place them. For some reason, thought they were more Brompton way. Haven't been that way for 40 years, so was surprised how different everything looks today on google street view.
Getting a bit low on good pics; but here's the next one.
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Concrete hover port apron at Pegwell bay?
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Not the hover port. A couple of clues in the pic to what it might be.
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A promenade along the Medway somewhere?
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Steps in the background suggests rising ground beyond the photo's rear? Near water at all?
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Chatham War Memorial on the Lines?
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All close. Near water and in the Medway area. Pic is heavily cropped.
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Is it visible and the same on GSV?
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Is it visible and the same on GSV?
Not on GSV, but can be seen on google maps. Has changed somewhat, but can still be identified for what its purpose is.
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Is it opposite the Commissioner`s House, in the Heritage Dockyard. Maybe a saluting base now.
The old wooden storehouse, stood on the site, before being burnt down, in the 1960`s.
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Not the Dockyard. It's function in the 60s (and before that) is the same as it is now. Although the pic was taken when not in use.
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is it the swimming pool at the Strand (when drained)?
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You have it DaveTheTrain. Over to you.
My Uncle and others getting the pool ready for another season; late 50s or early 60s.
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Has Dave remembered to get off the Train?.... ;)
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Maybe the train left the station
Met by one of DTT`s relation`s
Come on Dave, waiting for you
With an old photo, that is true.,
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whoops.... sorry. Had forgotten and was out yesterday. just about to upload one.
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Okay, here we go. So sorry chaps. I had not got great confidence in my guess at the Strand, but just shows how wrong can you be. Now, where was I when I took this?
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In Deal. I think the building is or was the town hall ?
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That's it JW, well done. Over to you....
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Thank you DTT. I attended a wedding there a few years ago and the water trough/fountain caught my eye. The grey matter still functional - just.
Next one ...
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Village or town setting?
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It's a town CAT :)
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Maidstone? No idea why I think that! ;D
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High Street & East Hill, Ashford ?
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Not Maidstone Shoot999.
You have it KeithG. It is indeed High Street and East Hill, Ashford. The pub with the round tower was demolished to make way the ring road ( another planning cock up). As far as I can make out the next building and the one opposite still survive but with slight 'modernisations'.
Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker......
Who knows where this was?
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Quick Guess - Waterworks, Sheernes
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Sorry John Walker not Sheerness...come off the Island
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Somewhere between Chatham Intra and Rochester Bridge? Reminds me a bit of Blue Boar area before it all disappeared.
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No, not there shoot999...
A church nearby...
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Water not that far away...
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Strood?
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No not Strood....
Railway Station not too far away.
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Fairly near a Hospital.....
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Would the Medway be the water?
And is there anything in the picture still standing?
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River Medway is the water
The buildings on the right are still there even the drainpipe..... But now painted black.
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Fullager`s Yard, between Woolworth & 50 Shilling Tailors in Chatham - An Invicta Cinema later.
Second guess --- Globe Lane / High Street.
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castle261.....not Fullagers Yard and not Globe Lane.
You are very close?
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This building was open to the Public but really only a certain type of person would use it!
This is the rear entrance somewhere on the High Street
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There was a more elegant main entrance around the corner...
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Is it between Chatham High St and Medway St could that be Scotts wood yard or the flour mill in front
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Turkish Bath establishment.
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smiler......not between High Street and Medway Street
castle261......not rear entrance of St Bart`s, but that is the near hospital...Not a Turkish Bath establishment
I am hiding nothing just that you are all so HOT i am answering exactly how it is.
The actual buildings wall on the right with the drainpipes that still exist are staring you all in the face!....
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smiler......not between High Street and Medway Street
castle261......not rear entrance of St Bart`s, but that is the near hospital...Not a Turkish Bath establishment
I am hiding nothing just that you are all so HOT i am answering exactly how it is.
The actual buildings wall on the right with the drainpipes that still exist are staring you all in the face!....
I know, this was my patch from the 50s to the 70s and I recognise the grating arrangement. I'll be kicking myself when its revealed. ;D
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shoot999...I do follow members closely what areas they deal with and i know that you know the answer....
The size and amount of the gratings are still there but not the old fashioned iron ones.
I am getting exited as well as you all are as i just don`t know who is going to get it?
I can`t think of anymore clues without giving it away what and where it was.
The exact location is needed.
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Was the building thats still there once a pub
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smiler....No, the building that the wall belongs to and is still there was not a Pub but of course they were all around.
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KeithG, I think you're being very cruel here... :)
I know exactly where this is - smiler actually got it, it's Scott's timber yard. The entrance depicted is in (or was in) Chatham high street. The main entrance was around the corner in Railway street. This is one of a set of pictures taken in 1982, probably just prior to demolition. The building on the right has I think, always been a building society.
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smiffy... you are correct , but i am not being cruel at all as it is a game?
Look at smilers question: "Is it between Chatham High Street and Medway Street could that be Scotts wood Yard or the flour mill in front"
The picture i put up is not between High Street and Medway Street and that particular part of Scotts is where the boats unloaded the timber at the wharf next door to Hookers mill and not behind it?
I have a picture of an invoice which says Wharves - High Street and Medway Street and my picture was of the High Street branch.
I have not hidden anything and have been truthful but nobody found the building wall which still exists?
Perhaps you should cast your mind back quite a few years when a Guess the Place picture was of a clock tower with the only one hand on the Two....so everyone was looking for a one handed clock face but in fact it was Ten Past two ....nobody complained just fun!
I used to frequent this place for my timber in the late `60`s early `70`s as i was a qualified Joiner / Shopfitter
Anyway sorry to those who think it was unfair but i did answer properly all questions asked.
Over to You smiffy
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KeithG, sorry if I caused you offence, I was not implying at all that you were actually being cruel or unfair. I was only joking - hence the smiley!
I don't usually join in with Guess the Place so I'll have to have a rummage to see what I can find. Watch this space...
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Thats fine Keith G I was to be fair thinking of the woodyard but of Scotts yard in Medway St between the flour mills and Russells garage. Remember a big fire there in the 60s ?
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Smiffy you did not offend me at all...... Having the need for exactness has always got me into trouble even at 71yrs :o that is what happens when you have a trade that needs things to be correct.
So you answered without having your picture ready.... Your a naughty boy :D
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Thats fine Keith G I was to be fair thinking of the woodyard but of Scotts yard in Medway St between the flour mills and Russells garage. Remember a big fire there in the 60s ?
Thank you for that smiler.
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Naughty boy reporting in ;)
I posted this on the old forum a long time ago as I found it in my photo collection but could not identify it myself at the time. Not sure when it was taken, but you may note that the street signs are blacked out which is not something I have done - this is unretouched from the original.
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Dartford High Street ?
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Sorry John - go south.
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Tonbridge High Street ?
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I have to ask cos keep thinking about it.
Any chance it is at Riverhead where there was an old A25 junction
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John is heading in the right direction. Not Riverhead.
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Start of Calverly Road, Tunbridge Wells. As far as I can make out, only the building behind the road sign remains at this end of the road.
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Yes, John Walker you have it.
It is indeed looking down Calverley Rd, I think this junction is call Five Ways.
Does anyone have any idea as to when this may have been taken? The blacked out signs indicate wartime, but the cars have unshielded headlights, so perhaps just after? This is from a collection of family photographs, but as far as I know there has never been a strong connection with Tunbridge Wells, so I have no idea who took it and why.
Normal service can now be resumed ;)
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Thank you smiffy
If it hadn't been for the twin gabled building on the right, I doubt I'd have found that one.
Next one ...
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Car & cycle headlight`s, had a plate with three rectangled shielded slots, over the bulb. ( Wartime )
Same with traffic lights.
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First Clue: Quite rural but between a busy A-Road and a fairly new Wine Estate
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Is it a re-developed part of chartham sanitorium, John?
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Not there DTT - Head South East :)
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A manufacturing company.
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Near the A2?
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Is it the small light industrial complex just off Church Lane in Barham? I think it is a furniture manufacturers called Jali?
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That's the place CAT. Although not particularly historical, I like the retro design of the building as against the unsightly modern metal sided buildings that seem the norm now.
They produce decorative fretwork panels and furniture. All very high-tech machinery.
Over to you CAT :)
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Just as an aside John - are you saying that this is a fairly modern building?
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Just as an aside John - are you saying that this is a fairly modern building?
Yes. It has a retro outer shell but inside it's a ultra modern factory. It looks quite impressive as you drive past.
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It's nice to know that with a little effort this sort of thing can still be done, and that modern buildings - even industrial ones - don't have to be an assault on the eyeballs.
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Sorry to all for the delay. Work life very busy.
I agree with all that a factory can be made to look interesting, this being one of the best looking traditional ones I know. However, the building in the process of being built next door is not so good, though it is only half constructed. Lets hope it follows suit and made to blend, or at least not be a metal clad box.
Regardless, where is this fine suite of chimneys?
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Restoration House Rochester?
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Not Rochester KeithG. Southwest and rural.
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Looks like Ightham Mote House to me. :)
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Knole House Sevenoaks methinks.
Alec.
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Sadly Invicta Alec it's not Knole House, but your heading in the right direction
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However, grandarog, it is Ightham Mote. This is the chimney suite on the southeast corner of the house most of which furnished the former kitchen range.
Over to you grandarog
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Thanks Cat. I don't know how many of the Military buffs have come over from the old Forum .This wouldn't last long back then.
Rough position will do .
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Detling Hill I think, near the VOR antenna.
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I think you are meaning the big one by the VOR array that can be seen from the road.
This one is on the airfield, in the woods over the back near the old control bunker.
You have it as you are probably the only pillbox spotter on here.
Over to you for the next Poser. :)
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Ha ha, thanks Rog. You may be right.
Now, where did I go on some Saturday night in the 1970s to sit in a car and eat Smiths Crisps (with blue salt bag) and drink coke.
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Would that be the posh place now called 'Reads' beside the A2 at Faversham. Macknade Manor ? The entrance made me think of it, not that I could afford to eat there :D
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Not there, John. but i can see what you mean.
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Is it Grove Ferry Hotel near Upstreet Canterbury?
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It is Keith, well done. Over to you.
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Thank you Dave....
Where might this of been?
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Too easy for me Keith.I will sit it out for a while .Give the others a chance. :)
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I know you know?...
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Is that a railway line it's next to?
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Sorry CAT...no railway line
The area in the background is now a Golf Course.
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Not far from water
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Is the building to the right a pub with a name board across its eaves?
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Looks like a walled garden in front?
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CAT...the building to the left and not right is a pub with a sign board across it`s eaves. Later became a grocer`s and was eventually destroyed by a fire and demolished.
John....Think the garden is more to the right?
There used to be a pub opposite side of the road near which there used to be an old cement works.
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Is it the Star inn, in Folkestone?
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No sorry Dave not there....
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Not much left to say only that it is Medway Towns
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Not much left to say only that it is Medway Towns
And that this very picture is on a dead pubs website :)
Sorry, a bit busy preparing to renew kitchen, so no time to play "properly" :(
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Not quite John if you look closely...... In other words not taken from that website but a local paper years ago, you can see the ghost print!
Anyway thanks for giving away my guess may return one day >:( >:( >:(
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To the west of Rochester Bridge; i.e. further upstream?
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Not there shoot999
The answer is at:
www.dover-kent.com and look at Upchurch ;)
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My family have lived for over 30 years just north of this site; not two minutes walk away further up Otterham Quay Lane. I thought I recognised the topography and knew about the golf course as my brother plays there, plus I spent three years in the late 60s on this very patch courting; but then immediately ruled it out as too obvious a coincidence and convinced myself it was north of the river towards the west. ;D For being so daft and not trusting my instincts I feel I have to rule myself out of this one
If no one else wants to claim it, maybe you should go again?
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No it is fine shoot999
You earned it looking around and playing fair not like some other know it alls that try and spoil the game!
Over to you shoot999...
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Thank you KeithG.
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Well done shoot999.
KeithG,
Bit more local info about the Lord Stanley. It was named after Thomas Stanley Wakeley of Rainham.
It was a Style and Winch House and was the site of local Inquests.
The main Clientelle were Bargemen and Boat man from Otterham quay and Labourers from the surrounding Brickfields and Farms.
It became ashop and private residence before its eventual demise.
The site is now occupied by a bungalow aptly named Lord Stanley Bungalow.
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Can be found on GSV albeit with a slightly larger window.
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grandarog....... thanks for the extra info.
I was aware of the Wakeleys as in 1977 i lived in Wakeley Road Rainham on the then Housing Association Estate...... The Three Sisters was my local.
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Your picture shoot999.....
Was that an insurance company place in Rochester High Street?...... I did get my car insurance their in the late 1960's/70's
Tibers was the name?
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Your picture shoot999.....
Was that an insurance company place in Rochester High Street?...... I did get my car insurance their in the late 1960's/70's
Tibers was the name?
Not sure about that KeithG; but I think you are definitely on the right track. Can you give me a little more? I knew it as something else. Although I do believe my first insurance was with Tibers.
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90-92 High Street Rochester
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You have it KeithG. It is part of the larger Grade 2 Grafton House in Rochester High Street, and in my day Coal Office for Hawksfield. One of my first memories as a child is being picked up from Troy Town school on a Friday, calling in there for mum to pay the coalman, then on to the market for a treat, and finally into the library; which was in a temporary structure alongside the Corn Exchange. That would probably be around 1955.
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Thanks for that shoot999...
For those who walk around looking at the pavement where is and what was this.......still there but different covering.
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Disused toilets by Rochester Bridge?
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Yes MartinR you have that....
There were two of these still there but covered in a metal sheet in place of the glass ones.
Over to you.....
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Recognised them straight away. Not least helped by the fact I'd only just watched this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMvCCAEsUQg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMvCCAEsUQg)
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Wow.... Nice find shoot999
I used those toilets loads of times walking home up to Frindsbury from Star Hill bus stops because of traffic jams along the High Street in the early 1960's..... moved to Frindsbury in 1956 from Gillingham.
Apart from North Street they were the only ones but that was out the way as Canal Road was the shortest route for me.
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Try this one then. Taken this afternoon, and apologies for the hair but it won't stop you looking for the church.
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Is there a river between the bank and the church ?
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Sometimes! Well twice a day to be precise.
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St Werburgh Church, Hoo ?
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Well done. Any idea where I was taking photos?
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Well done. Any idea where I was taking photos?
From a high point on St Mary's Island with a telephoto ?
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Not quite. On the Strand, Gillingham which is why Hoo Island appears as such a bank.
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Thank you MartinR Another one that took some finding :)
Next one ...
Where and what?
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Military?
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Not military CAT . It's location seems a bit rural for what it was originally built for. There might have been an aviation connection though.
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I have a vague recollection that I've worked near this, but can't remember where or what it was for. I keep getting drawn to the Manston, Thanet area and it's the base of a gasometer? I'll have to search better for a more precise location and function.
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It is to the East of Pysons Road near where i used to live in the early 1980`s ?
Bit more overgrown now.
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You have it KeithG. I believe it is or was at Bromstone Farm. CAT - you are correct with gasometer base. The main tank appears to have already gone by 1940.
I'm not sure why a gasometer would have been sited in that semi-rural location although it is on the perimeter of the long gone Ramsgate Airport.
It has more recently been used a reservoir for the farm.
As this is Guess the Place, the location takes priority so over to you KeithG :)
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Thanks for that John.
I lived in Birchington for a few years and worked in a Ramsgate Shopfitting Company. No idea why a Gasometer there?
This is another newspaper scan....but where?
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Interesting buildings and layout. Coastal?
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Yes, coastal...
The only buildings remaining are those on the South West side.
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That doesn't help as from your picture which way is north? :)
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"Natural navigation" would suggest that south lies to the bottom right of the picture. Look at the shadow cast by the post bottom centre.
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Not being rude at all but sometimes digging tooooooo deep is not the easiest way!
As it happens the picture is North to the top of the page but the shadows depend what time of day it is which i thought would be obvious ;)
Even if the North was not top of the page the South West of the picture is surely roughly 40 mins past 12 ?
The shape of what you see is basically the same just newer buildings
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The shadow is short which implies near midday, hence my approximation. Certainly between 1000 and 1400 local, probably 1100 to 1300. You've got tennis courts marked out on what appears to be grass and the trees are in full leaf so probably summer. Not much digging at all. ;)
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I fully agree with what you say but my meaning of
"too deep" does not at all help the location of the guess ???
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Has a look of Ramsgate.
La Belle Alliance Square ?
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Sorry John not Ramsgate...
All the trees are now gone.
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Hawley Square, Margate ?
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No not Margate John
This is becoming a bit of a saga......
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Not digging too deep?
Are we talking Gravesend here? :D
Alec.
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No not Gravesend Alec
As said turning into a bit of a SAGA?
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Is it the former Bouverie Square, Folkestone, from the southwest (about midday in the summer months) which was partially demolished to form Folkestone bus station and the old headquarters to SAGA holidays before they moved to Sandgate?
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I thought Capital Letters would secure the location to somebody and yes CAT it is now Folkestone Bus Station.
The Now picture is the same NSEW aspect as my scan North to the top of the page but of course is nothing to do with it`s location.
You can see the Saga building opposite the Bus Station.
Over to You.......
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I thought Capital Letters would secure the location to somebody and yes CAT it is now Folkestone Bus Station.
Living around the edge of Folkestone, I should have got this one! :-[
Alec.
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Many thanks KeithG, I was thoroughly on its case without the SAGA connection, but it did help.
Here is my next, but where and when?
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Just a guess but is that Speldhurst Church Tunbridge Wells the fire was caused by lightning?
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You are correct KeithG, so it returns back to you. However, before it does (not that it matters), a few extra brownie points if you can say when this occurred?
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Found a website and it says 20th October 1791?
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Found a website and it says 20th October 1791?
But what time ? :D
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Ok John ...... It was half past eleven o'clock and amidst high winds, thunder, lightning, I remember it well......
8) 8) 8)
.... also some of the pulpit cushions were saved
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OK...moving on:
Where do you think this lovely water fountain was situated?
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Tunbridge Wells ?
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No John sorry it is on the coast.
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The fountain formerly stood on the junction of Beach Street and Harbour Street near the harbour side, Folkestone. However, Beach Street use to be called New Kings Bridge after George III following the construction of a bridge spanning the line of the Pent Stream to South Street. Sadly, all of the buildings in the immediate area were heavily devastated by a parachute mine in WWII. The only survivor of this wartime action and the subsequent clearance, was the Ark Cafe and the lower ground floor to the George Hotel, now known as The Royal George. Sadly again, the Ark cafe has its own storey to be told.
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Exactly right CAT..... Back to you
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While in the Intermission here is a photo of 1895 showing the fountain with it`s light on top and also the Alexandra Hotel at the bottom of the High Street/Harbour Street which also had WW2 damage ......notice the building on the right has the same windows but a completely different looking facade.
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I maybe completely off track But are we sure this is the same Fountain.The base looks different and looks like a straight rather than scalloped bowl. The lions heads look different.as well
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I understand what you say grandarog .....it may be a later replacement fountain but look at the windows of the building to the right and they are identical?
The building on the 1st picture is not rounded at the roof it is just a cropped picture (not by me) also the top part of the fountain in both pictures is the same ball shape with leaves on it is just a light been put on.
So it must be the same location as can be seen even the building frontage has changed?
You have me going now as i keep going back and forth but i have settled for just the larger water reservoir as the whole thing is at a different angle so a different aspect.
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Sorry for the delay.[/size]KeithG, you are totally correct with the identification of the fountain, though the problem between the two images is that after the first, which i think was taken in the mid 1850's, is that by the close of the nineteenth-century a horse drinking trough was added to it as well as a gas light. The building behind was a private library for many years, but the exposed wall with the bay window became an advertisers dream with the wall being able to be seen from the harbour side and several sizeable hotels close by.Her is my next, but where is this tranquil rural scene?
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Sorry to guess again but it's on my mind...
Is this Horn Street Hythe by The Brittania pub?
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It is indeed Horn Street KeithG at a period when going up, or down, was safer to do so.
Over to you
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Just out of interest CAT, do you know the date of the photo?
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Not the precise date MartinR, but it might not be as early as it first looks. The terrace of houses on the right going up the hill were constructed after 1873 (1st Ed. OS), but before 1898 (2nd Ed. OS). The buildings in the right foreground are still shown on the 1938 OS map, but are gone by 1958. At a guess, I would say just pre WWII, but it could be just after?
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Thanks. Looking at it I'd noticed what appears to be a motor tyre track in the foreground, so I was guessing 20thC. The lamp looks like it is gas, so we are talking after mains gas arrived buit before electric street lighting replaced them, so early 20thC.
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Having looked again, the image must pre-date 1929 as the construction of a small shop/post office on the southern end of the terrace of houses (seen as the white building on KeithG's screen shot) is shown on the 4th Ed OS map, but not on the 3rd Ed OS map. So yes early twentieth-century would fit nicely.
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Thanks CAT.....recognised the layout as when i moved to Hythe around 2003 that was my journey up to Tesco and on the way back dived in the Pub. ;D
Next one is where might this be and where did it lead to in the 1960`s / 70`s ?
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Would this be one of the many arches under the rail line in Strood?
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The Cut, Chatham? If so, from memory two arches were for the fire brigade, one the back entrance to Frank Bannister's motorcycle shop, and the remaining arches were bricked up.
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Yes you have it shoot999....Over to you
No Not Strood John....
Through the arch and down on the right were numerous business places two of which i used one in 1964 for items for my GT200 Lambretta and another in the mid 1970`s they sprayed my Mk11 Lotus Cortina.
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Thank you KeithG
Its not a too dissimilar view today.
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Light industrial building (being repaired)?
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Light industrial building (being repaired)?
It's been many things. A store, shop, cafe, part of a private dwelling. And no, not being repaired, more cladding.
There are and always have been light industrial units within the vicinity.
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Riverside?
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Reminds me of a building at Standard Key, Faversham. Could it be?
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Riverside?
Not sure what you mean by Riverside; as in a particular area, but it is by a river. Not Faversham.
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Conyer Creek? ( Not sure if a creek is classed as a river)
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Can it be seen on GSV?
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It looks like Rye Harbour.
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It can be seen on GSV and the river can also be seen from the same GSV viewpoint. Located on a reasonably busy thoroughfare and close to a number of recent GTPs.
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I was implying by the side of, or close to, a river as opposed to a place called Riverside in my previous post :). Is the river its close to The Medway?
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On the industrial estate, Commissioners Road, Strood ?
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The river is the Medway which is just out of site, but very close by; but not the Strood side. And not an industrial estate.
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I do believe it is here......opposite "Summers" (that was) the office business in Rochester/Chatham High Street
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I do believe it is here......opposite "Summers" the office business in Rochester/Chatham High Street
Thats it KeithG. The building and the surrounding area-Chatham Intra-always fascinated me when I walked that way from work in the 60s. Looked like a wooden storehouse or something from the side, but just a straightforward building from the front. Although I always wondered why it had a drive through.
Probably one of the first High Streets to become run down, although I see a number of artisans have moved their workshops into the area, with the council looking to restore the area to some former glory based around the old Art Deco Featherstones/Spemco building.
Over to you.
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Thanks for that shoot999,
I do remember the green and cream colours and was scratching my head about it......that is why i decided just to go along here on Google Earth.
Like yourself this was all my area in the 60`s....i too wondered why a drive through gate?
Next one is this row of houses.....where are they and what was the purpose?
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Near water
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They look like Coastguard cottages?
Reason for driveway and passage beneath building in the previous GTP is until at least the early twentieth century there was a building where the driveway was meaning the only access to the yard behind was through the passage under the building. Driveway building gone by 1960.
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CAT.... I did wonder if a building must of been between them as it must be the fairly obvious answer?
Yes they are Coastguard Cottages but where?
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Coastguard Station, Isle of Grain ?
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Yes you have it John
Can't do pics as on my mobile but they overlook the Thames and Medway Estuary from the end of Chapel Road Grain
The larger cottage on this end is called"Medtha House"
Over to you.....
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Thanks KeithG
I nearly missed them. They are buried among new builds. I would guess at one time they commanded a fine view across the Medway.
Next one ... What and where is this?
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Can be seen clearly on GSV but about 300 mtrs from camera position.
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Water nearby. Has seen a lot of sadness.
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N,S,E or West Kent ?
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Entrance to a chapel, or mausoleum?
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East Kent - KeithG
Not a Chapel or Mausoleum CAT
This place has an enormous amount of history. Millions passed by here.
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Dover?
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Canterbury?
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KeithG - Not Canterbury
Cat - Not Dover...
Clue - Carpets
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Is this a fragment of a building no longer there? It looks as if it has been removed to the left of the pic and smoke is rising from behind?
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What type of sadness?
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CAT - The building is still in use today although not for the original purpose. It's part of a much larger structure, much of which still remains and has been renovated.
KeithG - At least three types of sadness.
Many who passed here were on a one way journey.
Others had been displaced.
A loss of something nostalgic.
A box of levers is nearby.
That should do it :)
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Folkestone Harbour Arm
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That's the place KeithG - Called The Custom House
Well worth a visit to the renovated Harbour Station and Arm. Good to see it rescued. I thought it was going to be completely demolished at one point.
Very popular on sunny days
The clues:
Sadnesses -
1. The troops going to the trenches in WW1 from the station and harbour arm.
2. Refugees arriving there with nothing but pieces of carpet to keep them warm. they were called The Rug People and there is a statue/memorial to them between the platforms.
3. The loss of steam trains heading into the station.
Over to you
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Thank you for that John Walker......i didn`t really latch on until i thought of WW1, went down Remembrance Road on GSV and there it was in front of me.
Next one is what is this house called and what did it`s owner do?
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The building looks like it's seen better days. Is it still standing?
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Anything to do with Faversham Creek ?
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stuartwaters.......sadly no it has been replaced with others in the same High Street with new builds.
John Walker...nothing to do with Faversham
Water very nearby.
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Is that the High Street you speak of between the railings and the front of the house? Or is the High Street the photographers side of the railings?
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Sorry, thread hijack. There may be a problem with postings. I've twice tried to post to the Chatham Intra Synagogue thread and it just hangs for a hour or two, then tells me I've alread posted the message, even though it never gets through.
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Sorry, thread hijack. There may be a problem with postings. I've twice tried to post to the Chatham Intra Synagogue thread and it just hangs for a hour or two, then tells me I've alread posted the message, even though it never gets through.
Just posted there myself with no issues. Try again?
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[size=78%]The High Street is between the house and the fence[/size]
Also i have been having problems with the writing font and size showing???
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To the West of a Motorway
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West of the M2 and north of the M20?
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Yes that is correct......
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The owner did something no-one else has done... and cannot do?
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Has a Naval connection...
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There is a new bridge joining one side of the water to the other...
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Well with those clues we would seem to be looking at the Sheppey Crossing. A naval connection seems to imply Sheerness, but of course could be the birth of British flying at either Shellbeach or Eastchurch.
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I'm guessing its in the vicinity of Peter's Bridge and the owner of the property was the first to do something. Hence why no one else can? Unless we are talking Walter Burke?
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So to add to my last. Walter Burke, Location of property Wouldham High Street. He was in the cockpit with Nelson when he died. Purser. Burke had two properties in Wouldham, 'Burkes House' and 'Pursers Palace'.
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Sorry Martin R.....Sheppey and Sheerness is North of the M2 where the M2 goes North to the West of it is the Medway Valley.
Yes, shoot999 you have it .....nice bit of searching :D
The house in the 1930`s seems to be the only picture around, same man same dog it is everywhere concerned with this piece of history.
Walter Burke, as you say, was a purser on HMS Victory who caught Nelson as he fell wounded at the Battle Of Trafalgar. Nelson died in his arms.
Over to you.......
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Not letting me put a pic up. Saying upload folder is full. Tried a number of pics, small in size.
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I had the same problem last night trying to make a post with an attachment. Ended up using a link to an external image site.
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Same issue here. See below and on the Chatham Intra Synagogue thread. Tried later with the smaller picture and it failed again.
@KeithG - sorry, I was just looking at "new bridge", "naval" and "owner did something", missed the motorways. I know well where the M2 ends: I've spent many an hour there looking at the other vehicles in the jam! >:(
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I did Walter Burke's grave in Wouldham Churchyard as a "Guess The Place" on the old forum. :)
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I'm getting this upload error on every page. Anyone else want/can post pics. Please do so.
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I just tried (and failed) to attach a picture.
Same error message.
Alec.
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Same here....... Site was also unavailable last evening for about 30 minutes!
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Ok, shoot999 i will carry on the fun for now.
Next one!........ What famous author lived in this house in Sandgate?
Near water and a hill nearby
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Spade House and H G Wells?
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Phew !, I enjoyed that last one, was that the ` Bailey Bridge ` at Wouldham, or am I `one Bridge
too far `.
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Ok, shoot999 i will carry on the fun for now.
Next one!........ What famous author lived in this house in Sandgate
Near water and a hill nearby
I'm not even seeing your attachment. Is it just me?
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That was the fun shoot999
It was an H G Wells house..... Invisible :D :D ;D
Lovely bridge.... castle261
CAT...... Yes, you got that correct
Try another, not too difficult, as it is General Knowledge of Kent
Over to you......
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I'll have a look at the picture problem this evening when I get five minutes.
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Please see the latest announcement about the image problem. Should be sorted out now. I believe it's shoot999's turn?
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Thank you Stuart.
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Rochester?
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Rochester?
Yes Cat.
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Is this section of the city wall by a car park. The City Wall pub or restaurant is on the other side of the road? I think :)
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Is this section of the city wall by a car park. The City Wall pub or restaurant is on the other side of the road? I think :)
Not quite, but you are in the right part of Rochester. Look out for the distinctive mix of brick and stone. :)
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Strange, the mix of wall and brick as outside the Coopers Arms is the same mix but different extras!
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Strange, the mix of wall and brick as outside the Coopers Arms is the same mix but different extras!
Its almost as if the photo is from a different time[size=78%]? [/size] ;)
Taken outside the Coopers Arms of Priory Gate, rear of Minor Cannon Row, and the wall which is Kings.
I took it 45 years ago just before I moved to Cornwall.
All yours KeithG. :)
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I didn`t realise that the wall and brick mix was the only one ?........no idea that the extra modern equipment would be in the picture?
I was going to ask how old the picture was as the wall now has different wear or weathered marks also the Google picture is from a different angle.
Anyway bit of a surprise but thanks shoot999
Who remembers where this was or still is a fuel station?
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(OT) Keith, you really do need to watch your photo names. If you break the "who remembers" in a different place it totally changes the meaning! Cheered up Sunday afternoon no end. ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry about that..... I did have to take a second look myself and laugh after i wrote it 8)
It is all in the mind after all?
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Who is on the hunt?
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I used to walk past this location everyday once upon a time, but as I have no suitable photo to carry on with I'll have to leave it to someone else...
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On the No. 1 Maidstone and District bus route
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Who likes football?
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A Technical school to the right and a Catholic school to the left.....
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BP garage on the A230, junction with Cornwallis Avenue ?
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Ok John you have it......
The clue Hunt was for near Huntsman Corner and of course football for Chatham Town football field.
Used to frequently top up here with my Lambretta in 1964...don`t go near BP fuels anymore, too many problems! :'(
Over to you....
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Thanks KeithG -
I was stuck for a while trying to find out where Route 1 M&D went?
Next one.
Not my usual area - mid Kent
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Sat this one out as the garage was our nearest 'off limits' tuck shop at Chatham Tech. And its been almost forty years (1982) since it was a 'Tech'. Changed to Chatham Grammar; and now Holcombe Grammar. Had some good times there during the 60s.
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A pub?
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Recently refurbished (when the pic was taken)?
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Yes, a pub and restaurant Shoot999
Refurbished when the photo was taken CAT. The name is now painted on the wall over the door. There is a very large chimney behind the tree and two windows.
Very popular for meals lunch and dinner.
South of a river. South West of a town
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??? Horseshoes, East Farleigh :-\ I think looks familiar.
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Wasn't expecting for it to go that quick. I've had a few Christmas lunches there over the years. Great atmosphere.
So - over to you Grandarog :)
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Thanks John Walker.Had a 4 branch Exhaust Manifold for a 1500 Cortina made up over East Farleigh back in the 1970,s .Had sandwiches and a Pint there dont think they cooked food then .Expect it's a bit different inside now. :)
Heres the next what and where.
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Underground fuel tank. Garage due for demolition ?
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Well done John Walker ,thats the What .Now find the where :)
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Always bothers me when tanks are buried in the ground. No easy way of checking the condition of them.
A question for starters. The Medway area?
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It looks like one of three former petrol tanks I saw being removed from a former garage site at Stone Street, Cranbrook. However, they do all look the same.
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Not there CAT.
Bordering on Medway John Walker.
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Is it the now Hyundai garage which was Greens Fuel Station on the edge of Rainham opposite Oak Lane?
I see they don`t sell fuel anymore!
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Good try KeithG, you are not far out but not there.
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I used to drive the whole length of the Lower Rainham Road in the late 1960`s quite often.... i always remember what i think was a BP garage near Upchurch church (Horsham Lane) it was then a car sales showroom but now a big white house is there.....so was it this garage?
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Berengrave Service Station, Rainham ?
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Colion. That was the Plaza over the railway. Grand, Embassy/Odeon & Palace were the others in Gillingham.
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Thank you for that grandarog......
shoot999...yes it was as you say there were only a couple of pumps as i remember.
I have used all the petrol stations between Frindsbury and Sittingbourne 1970`s as i worked there for about 12yrs and hated coming and going the same way.
Did you drive your first car home at 15yrs?? :o
Next one is a postcard of a now demolished area and the picture is of not a school but a department of a school on a junction of two roads.
A very famous person went there for education so where and who?
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I'll ask my usual question. Medway Towns? :D
And no, Dad drove the car home. We lived where the Tideway meets the Rochester Maidstone Road so had a lot of ground with a drive, double length garage and large garden. Plenty of room to practice! As you may recall there was some waste ground on that corner of the airport where all the off-roaders on their bike, scooters and cars used to congregate. So that was a handy place to go when Dad wasn't around to stop me. No hassle from the police in those days unless you were being stupid.
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Yes shoot999
Now a car park
Never used The Tideway much when i had a motor but when 12 yrs my Stepmother lived in Arethusa Road before she married my Dad
Used Comet though just up the road from the junction
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Sir Joseph Williamson's Mathematical School, Rochester High Street?
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Not Rochester John
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Would it be the William Giles School at the corner of Clover Street and Best Street, Chatham? The famous persons would then be Charles Dickens.
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I will have to give it to you but you have the ends mixed up?
Although not a school it was a department of the same school run by William Giles and it was on the corner of Best Street and Rhode Street
and as you say the famous person was Charles Dickens.
It is now the large car park behind the High Street.
Over to you.......
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The map pointer put it between James St and Clover St but yes, Rhode St makes sense. Bed time now, next picture will appear in the morning.
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Sorry, "Dad's Taxi Service" duty this morning. Here's one for you, I'm interested in the middle building, which is still standing.
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Faversham?
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Not Faversham
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East Kent ?
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The Old Court House in Milton, Sittingbourne.
I drew it in 1989, while waiting for the train home, after seeing my brother in a Milton hospital.
I cant do photo`s, so if I am right, I will let someone else, put up the next one.
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Well done Castle261, it is indeed the Court Hall, Milton Regis. The original was taken in 1956.
On behalf of Castle261, then here is the next starter.
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Next to water?
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Is it the Marquis of Granby Alkham?
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Near water. Not the Marquis of Granby.
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The Old Court House in Milton, Sittingbourne.
I drew it in 1989, while waiting for the train home, after seeing my brother in a Milton hospital.
I cant do photo`s, so if I am right, I will let someone else, put up the next one.
I certainly missed that one!
The Old Courthouse was almost opposite "The Britannia" pub as it was called in the 1970`s and i almost used it at every weekday lunchtime for around
8 to 10yrs going from my workplace on the Trinity Trading Estate.[size=0.85em][/size]
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The Brit became a Kebab house about 30 years ago. I preferred the White Hart or the Three Hats. I lived just down the hill on the high street for about 10 years up to 1996.
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Amazed you didn't get that one Keith. Like many others The Brittania ,Three Hats , and White Hart,were the lunchtime refreshment places for many of us that worked in Milton during the 70,80,s. Also the Bookies that was behind the Court house. ;)
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Hope I am not breaking a thread by interceding ,just wanted to say I have very recently joined the forum .every time I open up l see old friends from the "old fourum"😁I must say its a treat to rejoin all you guys , so "live long and prosper"hope to enjoy your illustreus company for many moons to come
Colin Walsh
(Signals99)
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Is the water a river or sea?
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Good question. It's called a river, but is a tidal arm of the sea.
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Is it called a river on Google maps? Found plenty of creeks :D
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What is the building used for now..... Pub... Domestic dwelling... Farm building?
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Google omits the "river", but it's always been called one. The building has been demolished, but used to be residential.
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The (now demolished) building at Elmley Ferry?
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Well done Diapason. The caption says "Elmley Ferry House; it was demolished about 1960". Now it should be clear the the water was the River Swale, which is not really a river.
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Where is this?
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Whitstable, looking towards the Kentish Flats windfarm?
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Looking past the end of Hampton Pier, Herne Bay ?
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Heres another pic of Elmley Ferry House and Cottage,s.Found on Internet.
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Looking past the end of Hampton Pier, Herne Bay ?
Spot on, John Walker! I look forward to your next offering.
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Well done John. I was confused by the port-hand buoy, it's unlit and therefore less obvious on the charts.
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Thank you Diapason. My first thought was by the Neptune Car Park in Herne Bay.
Next one folks.
Still exists. Has industrial history but now has a different use. Can be seen on GSV.
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John,
Is there meant to be an illustration with this?
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John,
Is there meant to be an illustration with this?
;D You were too quick for me Martin .... Should be there now.
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Is it in Deal?
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Mid Kent KeithG :)
Watercourse nearby.
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Railway line on an embankment close by. A now bypassed major route the other side of the railway.
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The railway line is about 200 mtrs from where the photo was taken. It is running on an eight arch brick viaduct. (might be a couple more than eight arches as trees block view)
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I understand this building was the offices for an industrial site. A lake is at the rear of the building. An even larger lake is before this one.
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reminds me of buildings within the Lullingstone Castle complex, now a "world garden" attraction.
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Not Lullingstone Local Hiker. Too far west. Head roughly east for about 20 miles.
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Wisteria Suite, Turkey Mill site just by Mote park. :) (image courtesy GSV)
(https://i.imgur.com/FeRIc3t.jpg)
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Well done LocalHiker.
They had an open day a few years back. The lake which is filled by the River Len at the rear is very scenic.
It used to be a large paper mill and I believe the lake was man-made to power the mill.
I don't think the grounds are open to the public now, unless you are attending a wedding function.
Over to you ....
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I worked there many years ago when the site was being converted into its present use (after the closure as a paper mill). Within the grounds, close to one of the large processing sheds, there was a large tree covered grass mound, which I cut a trench through. The mound consisted of millions of buttons, of all kinds. I guess these were removed from clothing ahead of processing for rag paper? After taking the second bucket full home, the wife, who is a good amateur home seamstress, said enough is enough. There was still at least three skips full left!
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Thanks John Walker. Was it not Whatman's original paper mill before moving to Springfield?
https://vintagepaper.co/blogs/news/drying-paper-at-whatmans-springfield-mill (https://vintagepaper.co/blogs/news/drying-paper-at-whatmans-springfield-mill)
Anyway, here is the next GTP.
I was amazed to learn part of its history.
Given the demolition and development around it, I fear that its days are numbered.
The bottom right corner is photoshopped to remove some ugly green wheelie bins.
(https://i.imgur.com/PEECLaI.jpg)
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My amazement was in learning its connection to Charles Dickens.
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Chatham area ?
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Not even Medway area. As you told me yesterday, head east, 12 or so miles
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It is on Sheppey
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Broadstairs?
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Hi CAT. The clues so far include:-
12 miles from Chatham
It is on Sheppey.
Broadstairs is therefore a little too far west.
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Sorry, I was thinking more about the Dickens reference instead of the distance.
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If you want to follow the Dickens thread, curiosity might get the better of you!
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(My last post is another clue...)
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170yds from a significant religious building
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Minster Abbey?
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Minster Abbey, (or nowadays "The Abbey Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Sexburgha" built on the site of the Abbey), is the significant religious building I refer to.
So we are within 170 yards of my photo.
The building in my photo was once owned by a Victorian explorer.
We are closing in.
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The explorer and Charles Dickens were friends.
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Thank you Local Hiker. A very interesting GTP and great follow up with your information. I have learnt a great deal from these GTPs over the years.
Next one folks ...
John
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Folkestone?
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Not Folkestone CAT but the right end of Kent
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Another coastal town?
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Sandgate?
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Margate?
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Right town Diapason - Margate.
The 'shelter' looks Victorian but I've not been able to find any information on it yet.
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I knew I had seen this in Margate but could not remember where. Is it in or close to Lombard Street?
Bryn Clinch (on the original forum)
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My first thought `Cliftonville`
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I knew I had seen this in Margate but could not remember where. Is it in or close to Lombard Street?
Bryn Clinch (on the original forum)
Spot on Diapason - half way along Lombard Street. It butts up against the old town hall. I've just received this info from an acquaintance of mine. Ian Dickie, curator of Margate Museum.
Hi John. The T Stall started life as a stopping place for handsome cabs etc in Victorian times. It was attached to the back of the Police and Civic Buildings built around 1898. The building originally was a green shed built against the wall of the building and was changed in recent years to its current format, I have plans of buildings from 1895 and some old photos the building is technically in market place the road from the sea front is actually 4 named highways, The Parade, to the old Midland Bank. Building, Market Street, to the Bulls Head Pub. Market Place to What is now the Whig and Pen, and Lombard Street to Hawley Street, the Main Road.
Hope this helps. regards Ian
So, over to you Diapason :)
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Thanks, John! Very interesting.
My next one is a bit `off the beaten track`.
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A semi derelict church ?
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Not semi, John. A complete ruin. That`s probably given it away.
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Eastwell?
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Well done, CAT, that wasn`t an easy one.
The ruin of St. Mary`s, Eastwell.
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Many thanks Diapason. The clue was in the walling surrounding the doorway in your pic, which appeared to be of of chalk blocks. It is supposed because of this building material, and the shock of big military guns nearby during WWII that the church suffered seriously with plaster falling from the walls and ceilings, doors being blown open through shock and windows being blown in. Whether the military contribution caused the collapse of the nave roof and nave during the 1950s is debatable, as the church's structure had been poorly maintained for many years. It is also suggested that heavy rain and a flooding lake close by caused the chalk blocks to absorb water and fracture.
I will post my next later tonight
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Sorry for further delay.
Keeping on the church theme, where is this church represented on an early nineteenth-century pencil sketch. It is still standing, and very much in use, but was heavily altered and restored during the mid nineteenth-century. It has recently been the focus for an important news article.
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I believe that is St Mary in Folkestone where they think they have discovered the remains of St Eanswythe, who lived in the 7th century AD.
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If it is St Marys it has certainly been made a lot bigger over the years. :D ;D
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I see what you are saying Grandarog. This is the one I'm thinking of - Church of St Mary & St Eanswythe, on Church Street, Folkestone.
Perhaps there are two St Mary's churches ? :)
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You have it John Walker. It is indeed the church with a double dedication of St Mary and St Eanswythe, the later you rightly said was a seventh-century member of the Kentish Royal family. Originally founding a minster at Folkestone, the chapel where her remains rested was inundated by the sea eroding the cliff above which it stood. her remains were transferred to an adjoining priory, which was subsequently moved, with her remains, in the twelfth-century to a new location, which is where the present church stands. Her remain appear to have been concealed in a niche in the north wall of the chancel possibly during the early years of the dissolution only to be discovered during the mid nineteenth-century restoration of the current church. Its these remain hat have recently been re-examined with carbon dating showing the skeletal remains are those of a young woman who died during the mid seventh-century.
You are right in the fact that the church is much larger than in the drawing, which is due to the nave having been largely destroyed during the eighteenth-century and replaced with a brick 'barn-like' structure. this can be seen in the sketch, and was replaced with the present nave in the mid nineteenth-century.
Over to you John Walker
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Another interesting GTP. I was walking around that church last summer.
Next one ...
Only the road junction and the chapel remain. It looks like a pond on the right by the white railing but that doesn't appear to exist either.
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Hythe/Saltwood area?
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Not there CAT - head roughly North West.
It will interesting if anyone knows why all those houses on the left have gone - replaced with modern bungalows etc.
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Towards Ashford, or beyond?
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Slightly further than Ashford and a bit lower. Between High Weald and Kent Downs
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Headcorn is the place to be
Not very much to actually see
In guess the place, fun to find
The going on in John`s m-i-n-d
My other thought was farther
Really had me in a lather
Ospringe was my first idea
Too far north that was clear
Lets look closely at the clues
Ashford no it`s too far away
Bearsted is now I would say
No Headcorn John is now due
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Chapel still in use?
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I enjoyed your rhyme castle261 :D - but sorry not Headcorn or Bearsted.
SW of Ashford between Kent Downs and High Weald.
The camera position is where today there is a very busy A-road. Coastal in one direction and a busy town in the other
CAT - the chapel has been converted to residential. Looks quite recent on GSV
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Then it can only be the former Methodist Chapel, Forge Hill, Bethersden, which is recorded as being converted into a private residence in 2003?
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Well done CAT - that's the place :) . I wonder why all those houses on the left were demolished?
Back to you ....
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It did take some finding, but I got there in the end. I can only imagine the cottages were removed to build the small cul-de-sac of bungalows, known as 'The Dene'. I wonder if the old cottages were seen as decrepit and needed to be replaced with something more conducive with modern living of the 1970's?
Here is my next.....
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The sir John Banks Almshouses in St Faith's St Maidstone,
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Your spot on Pete. The Alms Houses are recorded as being built in c.1700 with this illustration being drawn about 1750.
Over to you
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Rather faded, from an old sepia poster I have
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Rigden's Brewery, Court Street, Faversham?
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It is, from a poster I have which I believe dates from 1940s and obviously of an earlier time. I might label it up with what buidings were what & post it on Breweries
All yours
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Many thanks Pete. It was strange that I was looking at a similar picture of the brewery only about 2 weeks ago. The deciding factor was the representation of the tower, and unusual spire, of the church in the distance that clearly identified it as Faversham.
Here is my next...
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Stoneacre?
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Not Stoneacre MartinR, though it is a NT property.
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Quick guess - Knole Park ?
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Not Knole Park John Walker. South of Stoneacre (Otham), not west.
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Smallhythe place?
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Not Smallhythe place either. Originally a large house much reduced. Smallhythe to far south. Head northwest
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Well by triangulation it ought to be Sissinghurst.
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The rear of Eastgate House, now the Charles Dickens Museum, in Rochester.
Charles Dickens walked the street`s in the City
He plied his trade with pen, his humour & witty
A plot here & a plot there, with quill pen & paper
His marvelous stories, with a tragedy or a caper.
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Not Eastgate House castle261, but the use of triangulation has the location correct. It is indeed Sissinghurst.
Over to you MartinR
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That.s one of the big Tudor Chimney breasts on Sissinghurst Castle. I think its at the back if I remember right.
There's a similar one on a cottage in the Village.
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Here is the irony. In essence it does look like a bit 'Tudor' chimney stack, which is located against the north end of the west side wall to the main range. However, examination of this range from a photograph dated 1932 clearly shows no chimney stack, but a door to a stable. I assume this chimney stack was an addition when the stable was converted into domestic use.
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This is in the historic county of Kent. It was drawn c. 1802.
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Near the M2 ?
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No, go west
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Would that be the H. Petrie drawing of St Michael's Church, East Wickham c.1807?
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No. Wrong year. >:( It's the Petrie drawing of c. 1802 (according to Archaeolgia Cantiana of 1929). ;D ;D ;D
Well done, I was a bit worried about the acceptability of the "historic" bit, but it's rather a nice looking little parish church so I went for it. The building shown was a chapel of ease for Plumstead and underwent some 19thC rebuilding and subsequent restoration in 1926. The church became a parish church in the 19thC but but the 1930s the expanding population needed a larger building. The original building was sold to the Greek Orthodox Church to use for the Community of Christ the Saviour. A new church was built in the grounds and consecrated on 18 February 1933.Links:https://www.stmichaelew.co.uk/parishhistory.htm (https://www.stmichaelew.co.uk/parishhistory.htm)
https://christthesaviourcommunity.wordpress.com/ (https://christthesaviourcommunity.wordpress.com/)
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Afraid the 1929 Arch. Cant. (KAS) article wrongly accredits the date for the pic as 1802, but it was originally within one of Petrie's sketch books, with other churches from across the same area, dated 1807. This mis-crediting was rectified on the KAS website where it is correctly dated alongside another image of the church and one by William F. Saunders of 18th September 1856.
I agree it is a nice little church, and glad to see that after a period of redundancy it has found a new life of Christian worship.
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OK, I was looking at the "dead tree" book where it appears along with a photo by J Edmunds of the restored church.
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Many thanks MartinR. A very interesting article, which I had read many years ago and have now rediscovered.
Here is my next, but where.....?
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St. John, Harrietsham?
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Not Harrietsham Diapason. Should be heading south
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St Marys Rolvenden?
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St Georges Church, Benenden ?
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Sadly it's neither Rolvenden or Benenden, but it is one of the 'den' villages, so your getting close.
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Does it still exist?
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It very much still exists John Walker, and is thriving
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Try ------------ TenterDEN
This ones a corker
Seems like it oughter
Be in east Kent
I will not relent
TENTERden !
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Well, I've headed south from Harrietsham and thought I'd checked all the 'DENS' but I can't find it unless it's changed a lot since the engraving.
Or is there a 'DEN' hiding down there somewhere??? :)
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It's Biddenden?
North West view
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That was one of my first guess`s - Biddenden - but I discounted it, as the church looked too big
for such a small village.
Hi - diddle - de - de
Is that one for - ME.
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It is indeed Biddenden KeithG. As far as I can tell very little has changed to the church since this view of c.1770.
Well done all and over to you KeithG
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Here we go......
Where is this?
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Close to water...
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When I first saw the photograph - I thought it was a haystack -- Near a village ?
A photo appeared
Somewhat weird
A haystack I saw
or could be more.
`Near water`he says
So are few haystacks
`Which water` I say
Await a reply - today.
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walmer castle?
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Sorry... Not Walmer castle but it is very near a castle?
The English Channel is the water
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The picture leads to an alleyway which comes out at the other end very near to a famous house.
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I reckon it's at the end of the Lees Cliff where the funicular used to run down to Sandgate.
Is the house the one that was either the winding house or the ticket office for the railway or 'Atlas Obscura', once the home of H G Wells. Close to Sandgate Castle?
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Yes you have it John..... Your turn
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Thanks KeithG. I walked along there last year and it looked familiar.
Next one ...
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Easy to see on GSV
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East Kent - close to a coast bound rail line.
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Canterbury?
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Yes - Canterbury, CAT :)
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Would they be 49 - 51 Old Dover Road?
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Many thanks, and you are absolutely correct John Walker.
The site of St Sepulchre's Nunnery is noted as occupying the corner plot formed by Old Dover Road and Oaten Hill with the line of Cossington Road extending up through the middle. Whilst fragments of the former nunnery boundary wall, which enclosed the property, have been traced beneath the present street lines along Old Dover Road and Oaten Hill, numerous burials have been discovered along Old Dover Road, as well as Cossington Road showing there was an extensive cemetery for both the resident nuns and the general population. Unfortunately, the actual site of the nunnery church has eluded discovery so far, but is assumed to lie beneath the gardens between Old Dover road and Cossington Road. Despite this, portions of the domestic ranges survived into the early nineteenth-century and formed the earlier Oaten Hill frontage. This frontage possessed an arched opening (gateway?) through its centre, the line of which formed the precursor to the Cossington Road junction with Oaten Hill.
Here is my next
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St Martin Detling
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Not Detling Pete. Further west
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This church was formerly in the historic county boundary of Kent, but is now regarded as being in Greater London.
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Beckenham is my choice
It could not be worse
On the border with Surrey
My choice & not in a hurry.
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Afraid its not Bekenham castle261.
You need to be going southeast. This village had a very important scientist as a former resident.
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Downe, St Mary's
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary%27s_Church,_Downe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary%27s_Church,_Downe)
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That's the one MartinR.
I was surprised it took so long, but over to you
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Probably quite an easy one this.
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I know this one ---- so I will refrain.
Martin R really picks them true
Out of the blue for me & you
This one`s post code I know
Now you people have a go.
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Brooklands?
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No, head NNW
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St Mary's Sevington?
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No, head NW from that one.
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It is an unusual photo of the side & back of the St Bart`s Chapel, taken in Gundulf Road, Chatham / Rochester. Now used by a Martial Art`s group
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Bang on, as published in the "King's England" for Kent. Over to you.
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Sorry MartinR - I cant do these - so over to anybody
My clues would have been.
This building between town & city
now it is between the two towns
The council got involved it is said
Now the said city, certainly dead.
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Well in that case here is another starter.
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Very nice that, I must ponder
Where it is, I too, do wonder
North or south, east or west
Now try to do, your very best.
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Canterbury Cathedral?
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No, but the right city.
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Canterbury Cathedral precinct then, I took photos of my son there on his graduation.
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Here.
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That's right. The photo label says King's School though, that's why I said no to the Cathedral, see the full photo below. Over to you.
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Thank you MartinR. I am not really interested in a 'long haul' so an easy one for you regulars or perhaps someone else who rarely gets a go.
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I was there, saw it and know the building very well. Having run the last two I'll hold off though for a day or so.
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I saw that in Liverpool Cathedral last year. The photo shows Rochester Cathedral I believe?
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Yes, quite right John Walker, over to you.
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This John Walker
Is a good talker
To you and me
Then we will see
Now If he is free.
He picks a snap
Hoping it is apt
He puts it on-line
guess will be fine
If its on Kent map
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Thanks Stewie (and Castle261 for the rhyme)
Next one ....
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First Clue: East Kent
Stay Safe Everyone.
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Non-conformist church/chapel?
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Is Canterbury East enough?
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KeithG - Need to go more east.
CAT Classed as a church, It was built to give spiritual guidance for a certain group of individuals.
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`tis Pilgrim`s, they may be
We will have to wait & see
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Not Pilgrims Castle261 :)
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That was ahead scratcher .
I knew I had Seen and Photographed the view.
Spent a while trawling through my pics . Found it.
If I remember Right it is the Church at Ramsgate dedicated to Sailors. My Photo below. :)
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Thank you John Walker. I have had to dig through my archives for this one .Taken about 5 years or so ago.
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Hoath Way....... when you was counting cars!
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Ha Ha . :) You remember, Keith G .
Wrong road right area but quite a distance from Hoath Way.
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Junction of Maidstone Road, Rochester and The Tideway?
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Impton Lane junction....... The entrance with the road sign on the same side as your photo?
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Junction of Maidstone Road, Rochester and The Tideway?
I hope not. This was my house on that corner from the 60s to 80s. Bit embarrassing for not getting it if it is. ;D
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KeithG has it . We were counting on the A2045 Waderslade Woods.
Next one please KeithG.
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Thanks for that grandarog..........
This place has seen better times when i first used it ...almost new...just look at it now!
Where do you think it is?
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Quick guess - The Pentagon ?
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Sorry John not there....you have to go East
Near quite a large Railway Station...
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Whitefriars Canterbury?
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Eurostar Car Park in Ashford ?
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Furrrrrther East..... Pete and John
Near water...
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Built around 1963/64......i first used it in 1965....so where would i of gone aged 17yrs?
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Looks like the Margate Car Park.
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How many car parks in Margate.......what is the name of the car park?
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Shares a name with a national cemetery in Virginia? Robert E Lee's former house I think?
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Arlington? It's the only US national cemetery I know of.
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Arlington it is...... I will spare you my '60's escapades?
Over to you MartinR
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Do tell.
I'm afraid current photos are out unless you'd be happy with my chery, my magnolia, my holly etc. I'm "at risk of severe illness" so am housebound till the summer. Here's one I culled from a book.
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Anything to do with the surveying of Frindsbury or Dartford Chalk Mine?
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Neither location
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Chislehurst Caves ?
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Nearer
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Is it a natural cavern or man-made?
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The chalk mine ,Shepherds Lane Dartford?
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Stuart: man-made
John: you're moving away from it. Go south from Chislehurst.
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Anything to do with Fort Halstead area?
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FHD area, but not the Fort itself.
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Polhill Tunnel
Badger's Mount, Kent, UK ?
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Not Pollhill tunnel. The sides of the tunnel have waste from subsequent tunneling deposited in them, you can see it on either side. The tunnel was never higher than this. Hint: the tunnels were not used for transport or mineral extraction. The tunnel shown is early-mid 19thC.
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Was it a tunnel to mine chalk or a tunnel for access?
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Now you're getting warmer. Not quite chalk, but a form of limestone.
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Bomb Testing ?
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No, you were right previously, it was a tunnel to mine a form of limestone. Hint: the type of limestone is peculiar to this county.
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hearthstone?
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No, try Kentish .....
Recap:South of Chislehurst. In the area of Fort Halstead. Clearly an abandoned operation, dug in the mid 19thC.
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Don't know type of answer you are looking for but Bargate Stone / Kentish Ragstone was mined on Surrey and Kent border ?
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No, the stone is called "Kentish ...stone". Further hint: If I started at Sevenoaks and headed west to an ancient settlement with a Saxon name, where would I be?
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I think things are getting mixed up here?
What you're after is it North or South of the M25?
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The settlement is about 1/2 mile S of the M25, and the actual location of the quarry about a mile S of that.
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Dryhill Quarry?
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Keep going along the A25.
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Are you talking about Hosey Hill old quarry which was at the rear of the village school?
Hosey Caves?
Hosey Common quarry tunnels?
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Yes! Well done Keith. The settlement is of course Westerham and the stone is Kentish ragstone. Over to you :)
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From Aditnow wbsite
"Ragstone mine for building stone. Some dispute that the rock is ragstone this far west, but it is in the same beds as the ragstone extracted around Maidstone further east. Probably 19th century. Six or seven separate series identified. The more northern ones are gated. The other minor ones are sealed.[/size]Level open but grilled as bat hibernaculum"[/color]
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Thanks MartinR........
Now a spooky looking one.........still there but modified?
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Wateringbury area ?
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You will have to go a fair bit North...John
Near some water...
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Is the water the River Medway?
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No shoot999 it is not tidal or on the coast
The picture is a rear view
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North of the A2/M2?
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North East of the A2
North of the M2
There are actually two of these very similar cottages until altered but still could be recognised as a pair?
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West St, Cliffe?
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You will now have to go East...
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If there are two similar, and close by one another, are they estate cottages, or gate lodges?
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Sooper Question..... they are not gate lodges... they may of been Estate lodges right back in the day but no reading i have found to prove?
One was said to have been Joe Gargery's blacksmiths house but it is fake news as that was supposed to be back at Forge Lane, Chalk?
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Sheppey ?
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No John too far East.....
MartinR was within 3 miles of the answer ;D
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Swigshole? Is it on GSV?
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MartinR....Swigshole is too far East
There is a church nearby made famous by Charles Dickens?
The pair of similar cottages are on Google Earth and GSV...also on 1888-1913 maps
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MartinR....Swigshole is too far East
There is a church nearby made famous by Charles Dickens?
The pair of similar cottages are on Google Earth and GSV...also on 1888-1913 maps
Chalk, where he spent his honeymoon?
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Sorry Mike you have gone too far the opposite way...
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Cooling/High Halstow area?
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Yes...
Read CAT 's post and then use it in the MartinR area and what do you find?
According to old rules i can only give one picture!
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Along Gore Green Road, Ckiffe Woods - near the small lake ?
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Sorry John you have gone South and not East from West Street.
The answer is approx 2mls East from Cliffe... Google Earth is best and two cottages stick out quite clearly 150yds apart near an important structure that was in the 14th century on the South Bank of the River Thames but is now over 2 miles inland! The water it is near is not properly visible but only on Google Maps as blue strips.
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C14 building Cooling Castle?
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At the junction of Cooling Road and MAin Road. Hard by Cooling Castle Barn.
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Ah, couldn't see the water on google earth, so dismissed it. But see it on google maps lol.
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Sorry Pete but MartinR has it as the cottage that is on the Cooling Road / Main Road junction is actually the pictured cottage.
The one further down use to be identical .....they are not part of the Castle or even as "Estate cottages" where workers lived. But one of the workers for the Castle used to live in one of the cottages.
The "near water" was the moat of the castle.The Church is St James where "Pip`s brothers" lozenge tombs are supposeldy in the church yard.
The cottages were built equidistant either side of the Castle Gate House preventing the view from the South being impeded?
B&W picture cottages during the 1953 floods
Over to you MartinR
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This really is an easy one.
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Isn't that the Church of St Augustin Brookland?
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I have seen something similar like that on Romney March.
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Yes Keith, it's Brookland. Nice ring of 6 though it seems odd standing on the earth floor and having to step over beams. There are two structures, a framework carrying the bells and the outside weatherproofing. All in all a campanile worth visiting. Details of the bells are here: http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=3 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=3)
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Moving on:
Where do you think this was?
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Great Picture . That's the Memorial Tank at Folkestone. Apparently it never showed its Number after the council repainted it. It was No 4609 a Female Mk 1.
Here it is being cut up for scrap.
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Yes you have that one grandarog....
What a sad ending?
Over to you then....
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Thanks KeithG. I have researched quite a few of the WW1 Tanks in Kent over the years.
Lets try this next,probably wont last long.
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Chatham Dockyard?
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Afraid not Keith, quite a long way off . Not far from a WW1 Tank either. :)
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Ashford?
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Quick guess: Fordwich Town Hall ?
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Martin R has the Town .Now where and what. :)
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Doctor Wilkes Memorial Hall, Formerly The Grammar School. Photo taken from St Mary the Virgin Church (or else GSV)
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Well done MartinR. Over to you.
Didn,t need my next clue "near the dead centre of town"
My photos were taken from the churchyard here's the answer one.
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Another one from trawling my bookshelves.
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Quick guess to get things started. Maidstone area ?
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Go west.
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How about Sevenoaks area ?
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A bit further. Is it just me or are responses slow at the moment?
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It does seem a bit quiet. Perhaps members didn't know where to start on this one ;D .
Looks like Quebec House on the side of Brasted Road, Westerham ?
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Well you clearly did! Bang on, over to you. :)
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It is best to give clues MartinR otherwise not many get involved...... Clues get more interested in the guess as it is not a matter of whose can last the longest.
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Thanks MartinR. I enjoyed that one - really got the grey cells working :) I used the normal overhead view on Google and looked for buildings with three prominent gables.
Next one folks ...
Out in the sticks on the Kent Downs.
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North of M20
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St. Margaret`s, Hucking?
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That's the place Diapason. so quick - how did you do that? :D
Over to you ...
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I just knew this `out of the way` church quite well, having made many visits.
Pipe organs just happens to be an interest of mine and this church has a very small organ when, in its original form as a barrel organ, was once installed in Buckingham Palace and was the personal property of Albert, the Prince Consort. It found its way to Chipping Campden Baptist Church and then to Hucking.
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Here`s my next GTP! Again, a bit `off the beaten track`.
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Highman, St Mary's?
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Not St. Mary`s, MartinR. Although remote it`s still in use.
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Sevenoaks Weald area?
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Not Sevenoaks, John.
Near water.
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Water as in coastal?
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Is it on the Isle of Sheppey?
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Water as in coastal?
Yes!
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Is it on the Isle of Sheppey?
Yes and No!
Accessed via Sheppey
That should `give it away`.
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St Thomas the Apostle, Harty ?
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That`s the one, John Walker.
The hamlet of Harty is well worth a visit, quiet and peaceful, with superb views across the water.
A three mile journey south, off the Leysdown road (A2500) on a rather undulating, zig-zagging road.
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Thank you Diapason. When restrictions are finally lifted, I must head that way when I hire a car for a day.
Next one ...
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High elevation and remote.
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Is that the refurbished `Hook and Hatchet` at Hucking?
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I was thinking the same, but at Walderslade, the ` Old Hook & Hatchet, pre war `.
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I think that I`ll stick with Hucking until John Walker replies.
Hucking and Walderslade websites appear to be displaying identical views.
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I was thinking the same, but at Walderslade, the ` Old Hook & Hatchet, pre war `.
too much modern stuff in the photo to be pre war.eg chalkboards, parasols chair style
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Hook and Hatchet at Hucking it is.
Over to you Diapason.
I had put a different GTP up and then realised that I couldn't remember where it was! Had to change it or it would have been rather embarrassing. At least I could have joined in on my own GTP. ( I've remembered where it is now so can use it next time) :-[ :-[ :-[
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I only `guessed` that one as it is fairly local to me.
I think someone has `dropped a clangour` re the websites of Hucking and Walderslade which are showing identical pictures of the Hook and Hatchet.
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Another rather remote little church.
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Hook and Hatchet at Hucking it is.
Over to you Diapason.
I had put a different GTP up and then realised that I couldn't remember where it was! Had to change it or it would have been rather embarrassing. At least I could have joined in on my own GTP. ( I've remembered where it is now so can use it next time) :-[ :-[ :-[
I'm sure a lot of us have pics; particularly personal ones, that we can't quite pin down as to where the location is. Maybe during the quiet times we can have a variation on the GTP theme. 'Where the Hell is this Place?' ;D
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For digital photographs it is possible to add or update the "exif" information. Under Linux the tool is exiftool(1), those of you still on Windows will have to find an equivalent! :) I use a short script that enables me to quickly add focal length (needed for manual lenses), apperture (ditto), a short sentence and the coordinates (lat/long). Couple that with the date/time info and even my old brain gets kicked into life. Not much help I know if you are simply scanning in slides, prints or negs.
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For digital photographs it is possible to add or update the "exif" information. Under Linux the tool is exiftool(1), those of you still on Windows will have to find an equivalent! :) I use a short script that enables me to quickly add focal length (needed for manual lenses), apperture (ditto), a short sentence and the coordinates (lat/long). Couple that with the date/time info and even my old brain gets kicked into life. Not much help I know if you are simply scanning in slides, prints or negs.
A great idea but I seem to recall that on Kims site, 'guessers' were able to view the exif info. We wondered how some members were guessing so quickly! :D :D :D
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I'm sure I would never have thought of that. ;)
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Kent Weald Diapason ?
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Maidstone district.
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St. Peter's Church Bredhurst?
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Wrong side of the A249, John!
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Back at St. Margaret`s, Hucking?
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What have I got to -- `LOOSE `
If I had to -------------- CHOOSE
All Saints rings---------- A BELL
If I`m wrong I`ll go to ????
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Yes! Back at Hucking, not far from the Hook and Hatchet.
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I can't believe I didn't get that one straight away - a different view the same church as my GTP a couple of entries back. You caught me out there Diapason - I must be losing my touch ;D
Next one - mid Kent
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Is the building in the background the church, or the next door property?
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Next door property MartinR :)
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River and railway not far away.
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This looks familiar, would it be in Maidstone by any chance?
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Not in Maidstone StuartWaters but within around 4 km. :)
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Think it could be the Gate of East Farleigh Churchyard. :)
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That's the one Grandarog Ancient Parish Church of East Farleigh on the notice board. An amazing stone bridge over the Medway if you take the road downhill to the right,
Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker. :)
Where did I photograph this fine fellow.
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That looks like Nolan in Maidstone. 20 Church St, Maidstone ME14 1LY. See https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-maidstone-kent-england-memorial-to-capt-louis-edward-nolan-1818-1854-173913222.html (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-maidstone-kent-england-memorial-to-capt-louis-edward-nolan-1818-1854-173913222.html)
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That's the Fellow , In front of the old ENT Hospital.
Your turn MartinR :)
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Here we go ...
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That looks like High Street Luton pointing towards Beacon hill in the RH corner
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I would say that was a bit quick, but then I noticed your name! Over to you.
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Thank you, yes I have seen that picture before, I may have even posted it myself.
Try this one its the rear view of a big house.
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Bishop Court, Rochester?
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Well done I really thought that would take longer.
Back to you
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Here's one that you'll either know instantly, or else will take forever.
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Does it still exist ?
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Yes. I was in it about 3 years ago.
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Parish Church of King Charles the Martyr, London Road Tunbridge Wells.? I thought possibly Salomons but found this while searching the area. It has some similarities with Wrens church in the City of London. Reading about it I found that it was by same architect!
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That's the one. If you get a chance it is well worth a visit, the plasterwork is stupendous.
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Thank you MartinR. That church does look quite special.
Next one - What and where ?
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Is that a time switch attached to the main box?
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I believe so MartinR. It has 400v and 240v (3 phase and single phase ?) on the label but no other detail that I could make out..
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I know I've seen something like this before. I think it's either a controller for street lighting, or else for traction currents for trams. As to where, will the Historic Dockyard be in the right vicinity?
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I'm thinking street light timer. You need to head east. It's in full view and can be seen on GSV
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Sheppey?
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Not Sheppey - East Kent
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Canterbury?
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Where else ? ;D
I don't have a car so difficult getting out of town these days.
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I didn't know where you lived John. We all have difficulty getting out these days, I only leave the house for people to stick needles into me! >:(
Canterbury central (within the ringroad) or suburbs?
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Close to City Centre - not far outside city walls. an area with lots of history.......
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On a main route out of the city.
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you will pass here if you are on either of these pilgimages ...
Via Francigena to Rome or Camino de Santiago to Santiago de Compostela
(I'm hoping a member will be able to confirm the objects use)
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41 Longport. At the bottom of St. Martin's Hill, hard by the junction with the top of North Holmes Rd.
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That's it MartinR. :) . Along the route of pilgrimages from Canterbury Cathedral to Italy and Spain.
I walked past that 1000s of time as a nipper/teenager and never gave it a thought.
I'm fairly sure it's to do with street lighting. If nobody comes up with the answer on this thread, I'll put it on it's own thread.
So over to you ...
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I'm sure I'd been there virtually yesterday, younger son is at CCC and the area is certainly historic. Following today's clues I've been virtually up and down both Dover Roads. Why would Spanish pilgrims go this way and not straight to Dover?
I've also been checking up on traction systems. As far as I can tell Canterbury has never had either a tram or a trolley bus system, so the switch must be for lights. I'm sure I've seen the timer box attached to walls when the lights are mounted on properties that front the road. The big box is probably a relay to switch all three phases and regulate a larger area. I won't suggest opening the box to find out though!
Now here's the next one. I doubt that this will last long but let's see.
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I believe this route was taken to include St Augustine's Abbey and St Martins Church (both marked green) at the start of the pilgrimage.
The red line on the map is the current pilgrimage route but I'm certain I've seen the original route as that I've shown in blue.
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That makes more sense. I couldn't see why they'd be heading off up St Martin's Hill/A257.
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Getting back to your GTP MartinR :) - Quick guess - Whitstable High Street?
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Chatham High St. by Full Of Love Alley
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Sorry John, not Whitstable. Keith has got it though: "A section of Chatham High Street that escaped the fires of both 1800 and 1820. This early 20th-century photograph reveals the combustible nature of the buildings that once fronted the High Street."
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Nothing to do with GTP but the photo reminded me, What became of the Dickens experience or whatever it was called? I know it went bust but what then?
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Moving on:
What is this and where might it be around 1920
To kick off with clues the advertising albeit in a different form is still there today?
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Quick guess: Fort Clarence, St Margaret's St, Rochester. the advertising is now for the TAVR.
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Oh one I think I know but I don't play so will keep it to myself x
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Fort Delce. Rochester. Looking along the Delce, with The Cut on the left?
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Not Fort Clarence MartinR
Yes you have that shoot999....not much reading about the Delce Fort...unless i can`t find it?
Thank you Lynn...it didn`t last long tho`
Over to you shoot999
Happy Easter to all...............
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Yes you have that shoot999....not much reading about the Delce Fort...unless i can`t find it?
Thank you Lynn...it didn`t last long tho`
Over to you shoot999
Happy Easter to all...............
Yes, I'm sure Lynn got there first :) Think this one should go quick too. Bonus point too if you can answer the KHF related question.
'Who lived in a house like this?'
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Oh I know that one too ;) but again will keep quiet. x
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Oh I know that one too ;) but again will keep quiet. x
Must be your 'area' of expertise. ;)
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Unfounded guess - Dickens?
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Unfounded guess - Dickens?
No one famous, purely KHF related. :) [size=78%] [/size][/size]But I believe the place has been featured as a GTP; and definitely appeared elsewhere on the the old forum on a couple of threads.[size=78%]
Location wise, wouldn't go far wrong by revisiting the last half dozen posts.
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Capstone Road area?
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Don't think there is a Capstone Road anywhere near? But I would add to your last although the GTP has no connection to Dickens, there are a number of Dickens connections close by.
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Anything connected with ` Morden Terrace ` perhaps a pub, opposite the Watt`s Almshouses in
Maidstone Road, Rochester. ( Morden Arms ? )
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Upper floor of two private houses at 44 Maidstone Rd, Rochester. End terrace, next to an alley whose name I can't see on GSV. (Ginnel leads down to Dunning's Lane)
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Anything connected with ` Morden Terrace ` perhaps a pub, opposite the Watt`s Almshouses in
Maidstone Road, Rochester. ( Morden Arms ? )
Very close. Probably in your line of site from there.
For info the original Morden Arms was in Queen Street; and the new build Morden Arms was located on the site of the old Morden Street; now John Street. . In fact located right where my home in Morden Street used to be!
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Upper floor of two private houses at 44 Maidstone Rd, Rochester. End terrace, next to an alley whose name I can't see on GSV.
I think you have it, but its not No 44.
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44 is what GSV quotes, but that may be the other side of the Road. I modified my answer to mention that the ginnel leads down to Dunning's Lane if that helps.
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44 is what GSV quotes, but that may be the other side of the Road. I modified my answer to mention that the ginnel leads down to Dunning's Lane if that helps.
Thats it. Its the odd numbers on that side, and they are out of sync with those opposite. Its numbers are 97-99. And the alleyway was Dunnings Lane.
It was originally the Foresters Arms, and subsequently Baldwins Motorcyles where I used to buy my bikes from.
And the KHF connected which Lyn L spotted straight away? It was the childhood home of the well respected and sorely missed Peter Challis.
http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/kent/rochester_forestersarms.html (http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/kent/rochester_forestersarms.html)
Over to you. :)
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Here's an atmospheric picture of a Grade I building for you, the original church may date from 1294. It is interesting that the dedication on the tenor bell is not the same as that of the church. Bonus points if anyone can explain the equestrian edifice at the west end.
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You are all quite safe ! I don't know this one :P .
Love seeing all the Guess The Place photo's , just don't know many of them. x
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Well done John, you've covered all points. The listing includes the mounting block at the west end. The tenor bell has the inscription "Sancte Andree Ora Pro Nobis" (Saint Andrew pray for us) which is odd since the dedication has always been to St Thomas.
References:
http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=449 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=449) - details about the bells and a good photo of the west end showing the mounting block.
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1277450 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1277450) - Historic Englan listing, gives the earliest date.
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Thank you MartinR. The horse thing took some searching :D . A church I hope to visit sometime when we're allowed out again.....
Next one ...
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New Inn, Havelock St, Canterbury
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That was quick MartinR - Have you visited?
Originally operating as the "Vines (http://www.dover-kent.com/New-Inn-Canterbury.html)" this establishment was listed as the "New Inn" by 1861. However, Kelly's directory managed to call this "Ye Vines" in 1900.
The "New Inn" was an Ind Coope House, previously Bushell, Watkins and Smith. Bushell's of Westerham bought (from solicitors acting as liquidators/administrators) the small tied estate of the Original Brewery, Broad Street, Canterbury, which was owned/bankrupted by Mr Alfred Beer (related to Edwin?) Not to be confused with George Beer (brother of Alfred) of the Star Brewery, Broad Street. Both sons of William Beer, of the St Augustine's Brewery, who (it would appear) did not get on, hence the rival breweries over the road from each other!
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My first though was Rochester High Street, but then I thought about the chain. I've walked past it (when that was still an option) on my way from a parking space to the St. Gregory's Centre for Music.
Here's the next one. Getting the building is the bare minimum, but why are those stairs walled off and where in the building is it?
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Lyn L. How do you get all the pictures please? They never appear for me( a computer ignoramus!).
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Oh sorry Dave have just seen your post.
The pictures just appear for me and I'm like you , an ignoramus when it comes to computers. Best to ask Stuart I think or one of the other men who post frequently.
Hope you do get them , I hop in and out most days for a peep. x
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You do have to sign in to see them and they are automatically there but small.
Click on the picture and it enlarges
Apart from that.... that is it
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MartinR...... in a Cathedral / Church a house or just an alleyway off a street?
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I was just about to give the clue "ecclesiastical structure", so I guess that answers your question.
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Rochester?
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Yes
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There were i believe 3 entrances to Gundulf Tower and the first on the West wall may now be sealed off.... or one of the two later ones are?
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Right building, wrong part thereof.
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You don't say whether Gundulf Tower or not?
It is close to the North choir aisle of the Cathedral..... What they think was the first floor original entrance was blocked off and was on the West Wall of the Tower
It was possibly a bell tower but then thought to be a strong tower for defence purposes?
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. Right cathedral, wrong part of the cathedral - ie not the Gundulf.
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Anything to do with the "old ringers loft"?
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Nothing. Go downwards.
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Is it the bricked up Norman doorway that was found during the renovation of the Crypt?
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That's good enough Stewie. It is the original entrance to the crypt which was bricked up as part of either the 1751 work or else the Cottingham work of 75 years later. The top of the stair is visible in the quire transept, quite handy for suggesting people look in there! :) In the crypt the entrance was behind shelving in a store room. When they cleared the store room (as part of the investigation into the external Norman staircase under the Kent Stairs) they found a passageway and the steps leading up to a brick wall. Probably not been seen for the best part of a couple of centuries!
Anyhow, over to you Stewie.
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Ahh! .... Missed this one as i was concentrating on your interest in bells?
Those steps were at one time within a space with a door on and erring Monks were put behind it to give them time for their penance and reflect their sins.
There are so many different additions/alterations to that Cathedral over time.
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Thanks Martin R, I only hazarded a guess based on the amount of the information supplied in the guesses.
As always I am not here for a long haul round so here is an easy one perhaps creating an opportunity for someone who rarely gets a go.
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Darnley Mausoleum in Cobham Woods
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Yes Keith G over to you
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Thanks stewie....
Where is this?
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Rolvenden
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Up the map a bit!
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Tenterden St Michaels
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You have gone to the right Pete.... Go up quite a bit.
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Biddenden?
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Not mid Kent
About 3km from the River Medway
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Tidal or non-tidal Medway? Are those distinctive oriel windows still visible?
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Is that the old garage on the 'top road' A2 opposite where Tesco is now? Rainham Mark. Next to the old Belisha Beacon.
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Sorry MartinR but shoot999 has it.....
Pictured around the 1930's most has changed now and the Belisha Beacon pub is now a Domino's
Over to you shoot999
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Thank you KeithG.
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Holcombe manor/school?
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Holcombe manor/school?
Spot on. My old school back in the 60s.
Over to you MartinR
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Blimey, that brought back some memories - used to walk through that entrance every school day for 5 years....
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Both my sons went there, and the youngest left in 2018 so it was a bit familiar!
I saw this lovely wall plate on the side of a building, nice bit of detail. What building and where?
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Time for a hint. It's clearly an industrial building, but nowadays serves a more bibulous function. Quite a way from any significant waterway.
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Medway Towns?
How old is your photo?
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Not Medway Towns, further from water away than that. The photo was taken at 14:57:19 on 2 June 2019.
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Biddenden area?
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No. Go ENE.
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Ashford?
I expect the flowers are dead now so how about some more clues........ rather a small item to find in the whole of Kent :-\
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Can this wall plate be seen on GSV?
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NE from Ashford. The wall plate (without the flowers) is clearly visible on GSV. The GSV image shows a different name to the one visible last summer, apparently the previous establishment went bust but the GSV image is from April 2017.
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The wall plate appears to form the letters WI - would this be a Women's Institute?
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An old industrial building thats now a pub/brewery? Canterbury area?
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Nice try John, but no. shoot99 is right on both points, do you have a specific place in mind?
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Nice try John, but no. shoot99 is right on both points, do you have a specific place in mind?
Nope! Just put the clues together. ;D Now off to explore Canterbury by GSV :)
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I should have known this place, I've been there enough times. Originally a foundry where local lamp posts were cast. In the late 70s it became an American style hamburger joint run by David Quine and his late wife. A great place with loud rock music playing. Then an art shop, an unusual restaurant and now the Foundry Pub. Stour Street, Canterbury. Strange how you notice thing less in your own neck of the woods!
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That's the one John. GSV shows the "unusual restaurant" but you're quite right it is now the Foundry pub/brewery. The wall plates are along the Jewry Lane side of the building. The whole building though is rather fine, with dog-tooth detailing along the cills and lintels and the original iron windows. If you look closely at the top of the blue door you can see where the original crane track was.
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in the late 60s early 70s it was a student dive, 4 or 5 gas cookers, pots of curry,spag bol and chilli at about 2 bob a bowlfull. Used to go there most days when I worked at Lefevres
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Thank you MartinR
When it was Quine's Diner in the early 70s, it was run by David Quine and his late wife Mary. David is now living in America. They lived a couple of doors up from my music shop - Socodi Music Ltd.
They were ahead of their time with the set up there. Large burger based meals and progressive rock music playing loud through a good sound system. Always busy.
https://www.thefoundrycanterbury.co.uk/our-history/ (https://www.thefoundrycanterbury.co.uk/our-history/)
Next GTP ...
Where and who ?
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Long shot: Beaney at the eponymous institute?
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Not Beaney or the institute.
East Kent.
In full view on GSV
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A novelist.
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Lived on the Kent Downs at one time.
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Thackeray? Another long shot I'm afraid.
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H. E. Bates, Canterbury?
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Edward Austen?
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Not Austen, Bates or Thackeray :(
One of his homes was roughly midway between Folkestone and Canterbury.
The plaque is on the building that now stands where his birthplace was.
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Is the building where his birthplace was where his home "roughly midway between Folkestone and Canterbury" was, or are you laying a red herring for us?
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Cancer Research Shop, 61, Burgate, Canterbury. Birthplace of Richard Barham, pen name Thomas Ingoldsby.
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That's the place MartinR :) . The house was lost in the blitz. A modern building replaced it. In the 60s/70s it was an art shop with a technical division on the first floor where blueprints were produced for local companies. It's now a charity shop. The plaque is next to the shop door.
The big Wetherspoon pub opposite is named after Thomas Ingoldsby.
Richard Harris Barham was born in Canterbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canterbury). When he was seven years old his father died, leaving him a small estate, part of which was the manor of Tappington, in Denton, Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denton,_Kent), mentioned so frequently in his later publication The Ingoldsby Legends (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ingoldsby_Legends)
Over to you MartinR
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This might go quickly, we have some experts on the forum, or else it will cause a bit of head scratching. Clue tomorrow morning if no-one asks questions or gets it.
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Well well well a hole in the ground. :)
Is that looking down the one in Deal Castle?
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No no no, yesNo
It's not a well and it's not in Deal.
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A Railway tunnel vent ?
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Nor yet a railway tunnel vent.
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Looking up rather than down? Martello Tower?
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Brompton Barracks?
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No John, definitely looking down. Mike - not in Brompton Barracks, but within walking distance.
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Part of a Steam/Brick Kiln in Chatham Dockyard?
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The 'chimney' on the lock island in Medway Ports?
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Keith, you're in the right establishment now.
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Is it in part of the Ice building?
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You've got it Keith, over to you. It's simply the view looking down from the entrance.
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Ok ...Thanks for that MartinR,
Lovely watercolour but where was this and whose home was it?
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Is it in Strood?
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Is it in Strood?
Is it the home of WW2 artist Evelyn Dunbar?
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Base of an ice-house?
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Not in Strood or an artist...
The owner was a very clever Irish man living here showing one of his great inventions.
The building closed in 1958 and is now demolished.
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So much for the last half hour on GSV! Was it Brennan by any chance?
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I can see my clues work?...made them easier as the building is no longer there.
Yes it was Brennan but where is it?
Have you had trouble with Google as ALL my Bookmarks are gone!....trying to get them back as lost without them all on my mobile.
Just tried again and they are back......Google is a nightmare. I think they update and all the settings are altered.
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Sorry, my previous guess was unordered due to my computer not updating.
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Gillingham, but I'm not sure where therein. As for Google, avoid them like the plague - they just suck up personal data.
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You will only find Gillingham, i think, so i will give a bit longer.
So where in Gillingham?
It was a museum after he moved out or died but it then closed and was demolished all the artefacts were spread around other museums.
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This will give the name of the Road...
The site is now occupied by a newer building in which there is a school named after another famous man born in Gillingham and he spent twelve years learning shipbuilding, astronomy, and navigation before entering the Royal Navy where he served under Sir Francis Drake?
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Ok... So i see it could be awkward if someone else got the road.
It was in Woodlands Road just up from the Infant School and was called Gillingham Museum.
Will Adams Academy now stands on the site.
Among Louis Brennans inventions was the steerable torpedo of which their is still the remains of a launching pad at Cliffe Fort.
Over to you MartinR.....
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steerable torpedo
There is a display at the RE museum which includes an example of the torpedo. I wish his monorail items had been retained, I believe there are models somewhere, if not the RE perhaps the Guildhall Museunm.
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Thanks, I wasn't expecting that without the street. Here is quite an easy one, I think. Just a reminder that not all Commonwealth War Graves are laid out in nice green rows. So where were these two taken?
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Chatham Memorial Synagogue Burial Ground?
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Yes. I knew it was an easy one, but interesting to make up for the lack of obscurity.
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Thanks Martin R here is an easy one.
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Whitstable Harbour?
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Yes you have it Martin R over to you
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Here's an interesting one for you all. Where, when (roughly), but can you spot all the unusual features?
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Looks like a colliery railway, Snowdon?
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Actually, looking at the dress more likely the Channel Tunnel works at Folkstone?
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It's your second idea Stewie. 6 February 1990. Narrow gauge, rack railway, propelling movements (up the rack) double overhead lines (in the "M"s above the track) plus interesting PW. quite a lot of detail. Over to you.
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That was unexpected, I changed my mind due to the number of tracks, the trucks which seemed to be filled with cement bags and the word '[font=]Rendezvous' on the notice board which couldn't have been a word used regularly at a colliery.[/font]
[font=]Next one, a picture of my granddaughter during a rainy day out, looks a bit bleak but looking at the pile of neatly stacked cannon balls not that cold![/font]
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Looks like Deal Castle to me. It might have been bitter that day, that's an iron not a brass monkey. :D
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Deal Castle?
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Ah tres Bon Martin R, and you got the reference as well. Back to you 🤓
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Here's a trickier one (unless you've read the same book I nicked it from). "Guess The Place", and as a bonus what on earth is happening with the drive mechanism and what is the second Kent connection?
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Frindsbury Quarry / Cement Works?......Crown & Quarry?
Tank locomotive with Geared drive...maybe used in the new tunnel with an adverse gradient to the neighbouring quarry?
Made in Medway Aveling & Porter loco
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Not Frindsbury, but that is cement dust. Why would there be a geared drive?
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Borstal Cement Works near Rochester ?
Gear drive is more powerful / torque with less losses in the drive.
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Greenhithe
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Burham Quarry. Low-geared to move extra heavy loads?
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Not Greenhithe, but sufficiently close that I had to check.
Not Burham.
How many locos have you seen in this country with any sort of gearing? Not many since the Salamanca of 1812.
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Swanscombe?
Power is how fast you hit a wall and torque is how far you can push it....
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Cement works, Pilgims Rd on Swansconbe/ Northfleet border
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Other side of Greenhithe
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Dartford?
There is a small Artillery Cement Works?
Albion......
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Back a bit
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Shield Portland Cement Works? ......
Portland Cement Works at Stone?
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Keith, that's the one. APCM Stone Works according to the caption. The odd thing about the loco is that it is an Aveling & Porter traction engine based design. Look at the position of the compund cylinders on top of the boiler rather than either side directly coupled to the wheels. Built 1900, photo 1932. There's another one of similar, but not identical design in the Chatham Dockyard.
The railway was narrow gauge, and if you look closely at Google satellite view you can still see some of the trackbed. From Stone Crossing railway station, run your eye right until you come to the large modern "shed" building. Just prior to that you can see a trace of the track crossing Cotton Lane, passing under the railway and missing the end of Barley Close and St. Mary's Road. It then curves right crossing the A206 before disappearing under the car park. The pier directly opposite leading out to the ro-ro platform is on the site of the original railway pier.
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Keith, that's the one. APCM Stone Works according to the caption. The odd thing about the loco is that it is an Aveling & Porter traction engine based design. Look at the position of the compund cylinders on top of the boiler rather than either side directly coupled to the wheels. Built 1900, photo 1932. There's another one of similar, but not identical design in the Chatham Dockyard.
The railway was narrow gauge, and if you look closely at Google satellite view you can still see some of the trackbed. From Stone Crossing railway station, run your eye right until you come to the large modern "shed" building. Just prior to that you can see a trace of the track crossing Cotton Lane, passing under the railway and missing the end of Barley Close and St. Mary's Road. It then curves right crossing the A206 before disappearing under the car park. The pier directly opposite leading out to the ro-ro platform is on the site of the original railway pier.
Is this the other one you mentioned? My great Grandad King and great Uncle Harry ran this one in the same area. Iv'e been lead to believe that it is the one that was at Chatham Dockyard. Pic taken mid to late 1920s.
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The Chatham loco was Sydenham https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/aveling-porter-works-no-3567-sydenham-4wwt/ (https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/aveling-porter-works-no-3567-sydenham-4wwt/) not sure how upto date this information is though.
A video of Sydenham in steam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AQmvid18SA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AQmvid18SA)
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Thanks for that MartinR.....
Most of my playgrounds in early life were in quarries.
What is this part of and where?
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Workhouse?
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Thanks to Longpockets for the video. :)
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No not a workhouse shoot999...
Part of a much larger building all renovated and still standing.
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A hospital?
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No not a Hospital John...
This is part of the rear elevation on one end
In Medway Area 8)
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Medway area; but outside of the Medway Towns?
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A long shot - Harty, 100yds east of the church?
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No not Harty Diapason...
No, shoot999...
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Try ------ Upchurch area. ---- :-\ 8) ;D
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castle261.... :'( :'( :'(
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Oast Houses nearby...
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Has a Medway Post Code...
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A prison or similar?
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Not a Prison Pete....
The building is quite substantial in size with very well known and historical outbuildings.
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not a prison but similar, a Borstal or YOI? I'm thinking East Sutton Park
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nurses Home Oakwod Hospital Barming
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Sorry not those places Pete...
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Are we looking at a former home or commercial enterprise?
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It was both in its day...
In the front garden 30 yards away is a much photographed building
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Cooling Castle and out buildings?
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Considering the clues that is a good guess shoot999 but you are nowhere near.
The commercial side of things were earlier in the building's life not like now at Cooling Castle.
The commercial "word" in its title has been dropped and is now only known without it.
The front of the building is 18th century but the rest is 16th century including the part pictured.
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Used to be on a bus route but no longer.
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Green Farmhouse Lower Halstow ? Famous mulberry tree in a nearby garden.
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Sorry John wrong side of the river...
Near a very very well known "alley"
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So are we on the Isle of Grain?
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That is interesting John ...thanks for putting it up...you are hovering around the theme ;)
No sorry MartinR we are nowhere near the Isle Of Grain...
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The property was leased most of it`s life due to the commercial aspect but as things move on it became derelict and was granted demolition until 1959 when purchased and renovated.
The house was built in a position so that all it surveyed could be seen.
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It is surrounded by a 6 to 8ft high brick wall with its name on the large wooden gate...... Due to foliage the house can hardly be seen. The Southern end of the well known outbuilding can be seen though on GSV
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Keith, when you said the "other side of the river" from Lower Halstow, which river were you referring to then?
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MartinR...... Lower Halstow is on the River Medway
Although Upchurch and Lower Halstow may come under Swale Council the actual Swale is over to the right on the map.
So Lower Halstow is on the Southerly side of the river so you need the other side.
Just had a read and i said "wrong side of the river" and not other side which could mean opposite...... Which it isn't
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Tonge mill?
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Manor House, Frindsbury. The well known building being the barn?
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Sorry Pete as MartinR has it...
The property had two names the being Court Lodge Farm & Manor Farm House.
The Estate consisted of 500 acres and over the years the land was sold and over the years the farm lands were more eaten up by excavation of raw materials and other developments.
The developments were two large quarries either side and also Brickfields further away of which they owned three.
Not being able to lease anymore it became unused and fell into disrepair.
The two Oast House`s are at the rear and the Tithe Barn of the 13th century, supposedly longest in the country, is at the front of the property.
The Oast Houses and House are Grade II and the Tithe Barn Grade I Historical Buildings
Sadly now the quarry to the North of Upnor Road is being backfilled for redevelopment of 200 new house`s and a Secondary School the Tithe Barn is supposedly down for Wedding Venue `s etc.
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OK, here's one nabbed from online. Photo credit to Gerald Fill.
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Medway Crematorium at Bluebell Hill?
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Far too fast. Over to you.
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Thanks MartinR, I am a regular visitor here as I have a few relatives and friends commemorated around the grounds. Another easy one for you all!
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I think that's Chartwell
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Well done Pete and over to you! :)
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try this, not sure if it's still open What is unusual about the sign?
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Pretty sure that is The Rifleman, over near Hadlow. Long time since i was there..Dont know of anything unusual about the sign. Its on a Pole as most are.
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Nearly right! Do you want to think about the name a bit more?
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The Rifleman`s ARMS ---- 8) ??? :-[
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Is the unusual thing that the eponymous rifleman is sat on a rock? Alternatively the foundation date is pretty early. I'll leave it to someone else to post the full name, I'm flat out of photos.
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MartinR no, castle261 no. Word precedes Rifleman
Ooops just looked at another photo and the sign has been repainted since I knew it, originally the soldier had a Home Guard armband, so just concentrate on tthe right name
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Is it the Kentish Rifleman at Dunks Green?
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It is. Well done that man.
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Thank You Pete...
A postcard of mine:
What and where exactly?
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There would be a bust of a famous philanthropist above that door, one who satisfied royalty?
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MartinR..... You are supposed to take part if you have a picture to put up and not to give MY clues away?
So sorry to be pedantic buy i don't make the rules !
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Would it be in Bakers Walk just behind the Castle in Rochester?
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Sorry Keith, I was trying to be obscure so that it didn't help others. All the photos I have are fairly obvious (or just too darn obscure) and I've had to resort to photocopies from books or the web (which is a bit naughty).
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While we're a bit 'off-topic' can I ask you, Stewie that GSV images are now permitted (with acknowledgement to Google of course). I no longer have a car and I've already put well over 100 GTPs photos up over the years. Like other's I'm running very short of new material.
Just hoping it's ok, as the possibilities would be endless and we can all join in again.
Regards
John
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Stewie..... Yes it is there but look up what it is called!
MartinR... You can use online pictures if you have subscribed to them and printed out for to scan nothing devious there.
I don't think the word "satisfied" by Royalty is very obscure.
Surely members have post cards which are allowed but it is not fair to members to join in if they do not have a picture to use it just causes aggravation and less will participate as i for one are on the cusp of not bothering and already compared with the old site it is the same very few that do Guess The Place ..... Yes it gets boring seeing the same old names but at least some are still learning about Kent.
I don't think members are as interested as before as sparse on clues and not given for a long time and also questions are far and few between which is the way one guesses where the picture is....
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I agree with what you say John Walker but it will not make much difference as i see it, some can't use the process of editing pictures from the computer and uploading them for the forum.
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The House is called Satis House.
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Stweie.... Yes you have it.
Waiting and letting others have a go does not work either as there is no one else that plays we have seen most players.
I have held back before and the wait can be days.... Surely the object is to keep the game moving....which maybe why not many players play only us die hards!
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I agree with what you say John Walker but it will not make much difference as i see it, some can't use the process of editing pictures from the computer and uploading them for the forum.
Hi Keith, On a purely selfish note - it would certainly help me to use Google images :D . Kyn allowed Google images for those not able to get about easily or those without postcard collections etc and as far as I recall there were never any problems. Many of my images on the old site were Google while I was unable to get about for a while. I must admit, I didn't just post the image straight of the Google page - in fact nobody every realised my images were from Google. I do appreciate not everyone can to do that though. This is is an old Google GTP that I used on Kyn's site. (Saint John the Baptist, Harrietsham )
John
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Thank you KeithG, thinking back to the days before 'lockdown', here is a lovely refreshment stop that Mrs Stewie and me found during a walk last year.
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Looks like a memorial park?
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Tres Bon!
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Ok Mrs Stewie and me found this place whilst walking from Ramsgate to Broadstairs
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Whitstable Castle?
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Sorry Diapason not there, we took the coastal route and KeithG's earlier observation is relevant.
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The Italianate Greenhouse, King George VI Memorial Park, Ramsgate
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Yes you have it John Walker, an interesting building, it is a curved greenhouse so that it catches the sun as it moves round during the day and very nice it was too! Over to you. :)
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Thanks Stewie. I went there before it was renovated - a sad sight then - looking good now.
Next one ...
Easy to see on GSV - East Kent
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I have noted your comment today KeithG, some of us or just one of us, cannot put pictures, on here.
I did manage to use the space for an avatar, but that is all. :-[
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castle261,
When you reply and have a picture to upload, you should should see "Attachments and other options" below the comment box. Click on the "+" symbol next to it and you will see "Attach:". Click on "Choose File" and you can then select your picture and post as usual.
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castle261..... If you have some sort of picture editing tool that is fine but i don't think this forums software allows for automatic reduction in size like some do like WhatsApp etc.
This the more awkward bit of all the process getting the size correct...
If you need more help...... SHOUT :D
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If you haven't got the software, there are several online image resizers that are very easy to use.
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I use Windows 'Paint' if this helps, it comes with Windows 10
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Stewie,
Yes, that's another option - it comes with all versions of Windows and is dead easy to use.
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Thank you for your suggestions, Smiffy, KeighG, Stewie, - I will try them, in due course.
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Next one ...
Easy to find on GSV - East Kent
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Military connection.
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Can probably smell the sea from here in the right conditions.
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Elevated position in a coastal town.
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Hythe?
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Dover?
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I reckon The Gate House, corner of Victoria Park and Castle Hill, Dover.
https://www.coolplaces.co.uk/self-catering/uk/england/south-east-england/kent/dover/9075-the-gate-house (https://www.coolplaces.co.uk/self-catering/uk/england/south-east-england/kent/dover/9075-the-gate-house)
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Thank you JohnW! Continuing the coastal theme, here's one I prepared earlier - but where is it?
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Quick opener - Folkestone ?
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Right side of the county, but not right enough, JW!
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It's above the Worthington Street sign in Dover..... Was mobile phone shop?
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Indeed it is, Keith G, and once upon a time Timothy Whites: http://www.dover-kent.com/History/Worthington-Street-Dover.html
Over to you!
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Thank you Nemo......
Who remembers where this is and does anyone know the name of the railway company?
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It`s not the Maidstone Zoo or the Torry Hill railway so the Sittingbourne and Kemsley Light Railway is the only one that I can think of, although the houses in the background don`t seem to fit in with any of them - likewise the Hythe, Romney and Dymchurch line - so, S&K.L.R?
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Sorry Diapason none of those.....
Near tidal water...
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Surely NOT the Strand in Gillingham ------------------------------------------- is it ?
There was a railway, many years ago
That`s where my mate & I used to go
Wednesday`s to meet -- a young girl
No no no, her name was not --- Pearl
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Yes it is the Strand miniature railway...... I used to run around it keeping up with the engine about 1955.
The name of the Miniature Railway Company was "Lilliputian"
Over to you castle261..... do your first picture edit?
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Unable to put photo`s in ---- a SHOT IN THE DARK --- Carry on KiethG
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OK castle261.....
Pete... If you see this put up a picture!
If not I will put up another tomorrow am.
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thanks Keith
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Harder that I was expecting :) . Just to confirm is/was it a water tower ?
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I think so, on top of a hill
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The leaning tower of ------------------ why would they need a water tower, on top of a hill ?
I spy a tower, filled with what
other than water, I think not
A wartime, from the first war
To secure airships ---- galore.
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Not sure if your posts Castle261 are meant to be clues or red herrings :)
Kent Science Park, Sittingbourne area?
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The leaning tower of ------------------ why would they need a water tower, on top of a hill ?
I spy a tower, filled with what
other than water, I think not
A wartime, from the first war
To secure airships ---- galore.
Why on a hill? slow water supply 24/7 to fill the tower and gravity feed to meet demands exceeding the flow in. Bit stylish for WW1 I'd guess more 1980s. Not N Kent.
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Water tower at the top of Hospital Hill/West Road, Shorncliffe nr Folkestone? Presumably to water the adjoining Shorncliffe Barracks?
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That's the one, Arty farty isn't it. All yours
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Actually drove past this morning from shopping and although on some sites they say this is the second water tower it is the third ?
It is the second cement tower but the original brick tower with it`s steel tank is still in place!
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Neither John Walker, just some observations of what I see.
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Design classic I think more than arty-farty?
Here we are with my next, but where?
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No luck with this one so far - need to narrow the search - East Kent ?
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East Kent it is indeed John Walker.
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Elevated location ?
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Difficult to say. Certainly 'up on the Downs', but not especially elevated in the immediate village landscape, though it sits slightly above the lane that leads past its eastern end.
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Hastingleigh?
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not Hastingleigh Pete. Head northeast.
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St Margaret of Antioch Church, Womenswold ?
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That's the one John Walker.
It's a very interesting church as the chancel, which is almost as large as the nave itself was added to the earlier twelfth century nave during the early thirteenth-century giving the church an almost continuous roofline from the west tower to the chancel gable.
Over to you
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The Tower looks identicaltoHastingleigh, I wonderif it was the same builders/mason?
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Possibly, though I think both towers date from the same/similar period and is more stylistic?
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Nothing to do with GtP, but does anyone know what the spherical object is on top of the tower?
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The spherical 'ball's is the base of the weather vane, which is bent and standing above, but due to the angle of the pic looks like a rod.
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Thanks CAT - that one took some finding.
By co-incidence I have a church ready as my next GTP.
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East Kent and Rural
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St Katherines Preston
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St. Mary, Eastling?
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Whitstable/Seasalter?
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Not Preston, Eastling or Seasalter.
South from Seasalter (roughly)
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On the Kent Downs
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Acrise?
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Getting warmer Pete - about 5km out. :)
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St Oswalds Paddlesworth
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Not there Pete - Still about 5km away :)
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St Mary & St Radegund Postling
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That's the one Pete. I hope to visit this church, once we're all set free again.
Over to you
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Thanks, try this.
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I seem to recall seeing this building somewhere in Maidstone - just off the Sutton or Hastings Road - possibly the main entrance to a school or college?
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Can you be a bit more precise?
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Pete. I has occurred to me, that your question, maybe directed more to Diapason, than me ?
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that's right , in response to reply #1771
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I`ve still no idea what this place is, but have found it on Google Earth (after hours of searching) at the junction of St. Phillips Avenue and Barton Road, Maidstone.
Edit. Have just discovered that it`s Maidstone Boys Grammar School.
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It is indeed Maidstone Boys Grammar School, Barton Rd . Built IIRC 1929 in spite of it's looks.
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Phew!
That took some finding. I recognised it immediately as I had walked past that place a few times, but just could not remember where..
I hope this one won`t cause too much trouble.
Where is this two tier pulpit?
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I'm sure it's
Badlesmere, St. Leonard's Church. I came across reference to a multi tier pulpit when searching for a previous GTP.
John
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Well !! I thought it would last longer than that - I think I used the same photo on the `old` forum GTP.
Over to you, John.
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Thanks Diapason,
In hindsight I probably should have left it a bit longer to give others a chance, sorry.
Next one - another church!
Rural
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Kent Downs again.
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St. Peters, Monks Horton?
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You have it Diapason
Another 'must visit' church.
Over to you :)
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Here`s one especially for you John!
The interior of a building that no longer exists. The organ still exists (although now unrecognisable, having been rebuilt) in a building about a mile away.
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Quick stab - Dover?
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Knowing your location (from the previous Forum) - NEARER HOME.
You must have walked past the original site of this building many times, where fragments of it have been used in another, but completely different construction.
A few years ago, I researched the history of the organ and obtained the photo from an author who lives nearby.
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St Thomas Canterbury?
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Got it - Canterbury Congregational in Guildhall Street. I've never seen a photo of the interior. Quite impressive. I wonder why it was demolished, although the frontage still remains.
I can't find any reference to the organ though.
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I thought the clues would give it away!
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Thanks Diapason, I still can't find reference to where the organ was rebuilt and moved to.
Couple of guesses
St Edmunds School
Vernon Holme School
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I`ve sent you an email which may be of interest.
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Thank you Diapason - I have replied.
Next one with a very recognisable feature. ...
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St Margarets, Hucking immediately came to mind, but the surroundings don`t seem to be quite right nor the projection on the right hand side.
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St Margarets, Hucking immediately came to mind, but the surroundings don`t seem to be quite right nor the projection on the right hand side.
Go West young man :)
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A well visited area in West Kent
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St. Botolph, Lullingstone?
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That's it Diapason
Back to you ... :)
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Not a church this time!
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Quick guess - Salomons near Tunbridge Wells. That's where I thought your last one was.
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Nearer home than that, John.
Coastal
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Maison Dieu, Dover?
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Well done, CAT! Not an easy one, over to you.
The magnificent organ has been neglected and is now unplayable and will cost a small fortune to renovate.
John Walker - I had no knowledge of Salomons until today but can now understand your guess.
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You beat me to it CAT :D
Salomoms is a place on my list to visit sometime. I understand there is a very interesting museum there.
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Sorry about that John Walker, though I did have to scratch the old familiar head with this one. I now I'd been there in the past, but couldn't remember where it was. It was the arches along the right hand side, which are part of the original medieval Maison Dieu arcade that gave it away, the picture being taken in the later hall designed by the famous gothic revivalist architect, William Burges.
Here is my next, but where would you find this fantastic early Norman tower?
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St Thomas a Beckett, Capel
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Afraid not Pete, your too far to the south west
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St Peter & St Paul, Lynsted?
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Well - I've headed NW from Capel and not found it yet. An outstanding tower. Dover area?
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It's not Lynsted, Diapason and John Walker should be going northeast, this being the opposite to southwest :) . Not Dover area at all as it's deffinately inland.
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Afraid not Pete, your too far to the south west
So this means it is NE of Capel?
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Well - I've headed NW from Capel and not found it yet. An outstanding tower. Dover area?
I meant NE ::) - searched Dover Area and towards Canterbury. I can't believe a church that distinctive is hard to find :)
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I've done the same up into Thanet, ::)
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St. Nicholas, Otham?
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I think someone has been lockdown toooo long! South West / North East ......South East / North West
:-[ :-[ ;D
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All Saints West Stourmouth
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Mr CAT needs a new compass Capel le Ferne is South East of Capel not SW!! ;D
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Me thinks not Mr Pete :) . The Capel referred to in your previous GTP post was to St Thomas a Beckett, Capel, which is located at Church Lane, Five Oak Green, Tonbridge. This location is southwest of Otham. The church at Capel le Ferne is dedicated to St Mary and is Southeast of Otham.
The compass confusion appears to be I was thinking Thomas a Beckett, Capel, whist others were working from Capel le Ferne, Folkestone/Dover, where it would be very difficult to move west from? Either way, it was found and we all now know there are two Capel's in Kent
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Thanks, CAT - that one took some finding.
Next offering - Where and what is this ?
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Ice House/store ?
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Where Cemetery old flowers/grasscuttings
etc are put..... Compost?
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Cemetery toilet ;D
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Is it a charnel house, seem to recall one around Higham area
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Where Cemetery old flowers/grasscuttings
etc are put..... Compost?
or
Cemetery toilet ;D
When I took the photo I was told that it was described as an "ancient privy".
Very cramped and claustrophobic.
Have you any idea where it is?
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The reason i said Cemetery loo was because one place where i walked through from school had one so how many cemeteries in Kent?
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It`s in a churchyard!
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Did you know according to the old rules you are allowed only one picture for the guess?
3) Once the location of the picture is correctly guessed, and the person who posted it agrees, then the winner should post their own photo, preferably within a day. It is best to have a picture ready if taking part.
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Yes, I do remember the rules of the `old` forum and have therefore removed the offending photos which was added to assist in identifying the original which could be anywhere in the UK.
The rules appear to have been somewhat `relaxed` in the new forum and I fell into the trap.
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Seeing as your picture could be anywhere in the UK as you say..... why not start again with a new one.
Everyone makes mistakes even myself...
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Thanks KeithG, I hope starting again is within the rules.
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It was only a suggestion Diapason which seems to be the best way out.
Members are playing less and less now which is a shame...
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Is it the Mortuary Chapel /Bier House by St Mary's Selling?
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Yes, it is KeithG.
Also the site of the old toilet.
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Ahh!...... I worked in Selling back in 1978 at then East Kent Joinery just up the hill on the right where the owner Hogben lived/lives?
Walked in on my first day with peacocks walking / squawking around and coffins everywhere..... didn't know when I got the job what I was in for. Only stayed about a month then moved on.
I'll be back......
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Thanks Diapason...
Where is this postcard pictured, still there.
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I think it's the school in St Margarets. Portal House ? If it is that one, it is still there but doesn't have quite the same look these days as your photo.
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Yes John you have that...
This was my last Guess on the old forum as you probably remembered?
Over to you.......
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Thanks KeithG. That's obviously stuck in my mind. I have driven past it many times on the way to St Margarets Bay. It doesn't look quite as impressive now as it does in your photo but I'm not sure why that is.
Next one ....
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Victoria Park Ashford
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An easy one this time
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Partridge Lane, Faversham. Looking up past the Shepherd Neame brewery towards the town centre.
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Said it was easy or is that you skulking against the wall? ;D
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Nope, not me guv...
Where is my truck parked?
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Sevenoaks High Street ?
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Tonbridge High St
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Didn't think that it would last long. Pete has it, over to you...
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You left the name of the Estate agents visible!! ;D
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Is it a Post Office?
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You left the name of the Estate agents visible!! ;D
. . . . and the Chemist ! !
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Is it a Post Office?
A pub,
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Gravesend ?
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Sittingbourne?
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I like that RamP -- IT GOES --- NOWHERE !
Try ---- Dartford
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Sheppey?
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no to all . District council has 5 words in it's name
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Tonbridge and Malling District Council?
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Folkestone and Hythe District Council?
Broomfield and Kingswood Parish Council?
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Cat's got that bit :D
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Dialling code is 01622, on a river
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At last! :) The Merry Boys, East Peckham.
If I'd had a pint at each pub I checked, I'd be flat on my back for days ........
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Well done sir!! I'm amazed it is still trading, used to be a strange place way back, landlady watching a portable Tv on the bar, begrudgingly serving, barred anyone (ie most) for swearing & that meant from damn & blast upwards. All yours
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Thank you Pete,
Next one
Where is this?
Clues later if required ...
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Sturry.....Just before the railway crossing?
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The Merry Boys facade has certainly changed over the years .Also looks as though the surrounding ground has been lowered considerably.
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Intersting photo of Merry Boys Grandarog - I wonder why the front area was lowered to quite such an extent?
KeithG - Not Sturry - head West South West quite a bit :)
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Possibly resolved the issue regards The Merry Boys, East Peckham. The first Google Street View pic of the pub, though today called 'The Merry Boys', was originally called 'The Mitre'. The old pic entitled 'The Merry Boys' is the original pub of that name located on Addlestone Road, East Peckham and is now a private dwelling. When this closed the licence and name was transferred to the present building. Compare this street view with the old pic of The Merry Boys, which will answer the issue about rising/falling land levels next to the present pub.
Wealden village John Walker?
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Biddenden? CAT any idea of when the Merry Boys moved? It was on the present site in the early '70s
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Not Biddenden Pete.
This village hasn't got an amazing history as far as I can find. However, it has had three plane crashes and a train crash.
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Could it be Marden John Walker?
Pete. The present Merry Boys pub was known as the Mitre at least until 1930 where it still has a landlord recorded in the Post Office Directory as Rt Fredk Mumbray. However, the original Merry Boys pub still has a landlord recorded in 1938 Post Office Directory as Jas E. Elliott, which would assume it must have changed after 1938. However, looking at period maps reveals the original Merry boys pub is shown as Merry Boys Cottages in 1961, and The Mitre changing to the Merry Boys on the 1938 O.S. map. From all this I would assume it happened sometime between 1937 and 1938.
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thanks for Merry Boys info CAT
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Some interesting facts coming out - good stuff :)
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Thanks Cat .Never thought my Postcard would have brought forth all that info. I thought the changes were a bit drastic.Completely fooled me I didn't realise was 2 buildings involved.
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It's what I enjoy about the KHF, the challenge, discovery and the knowledge of others.
Many thanks John Walker
Here is my next, but where would you find this former tranquil pub? Still a rural location, but maybe not so tranquil.
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Potters Corner Ashford ?
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That's the one KeithG. I thought it might have lasted a bit longer, but how wrong I was. Well done and over to you.
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Thank you CAT
Used that a couple of times back in the 1970`s......
So is this one easy or has it a catch?.....where do you think?
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River not sea?
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Queenborough ?
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Yes... It is a River, but sorry not Queenborough...
Some barges still around...
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Hoo?
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Sun Pier Chatham
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Medway Yacht Club, Cookham ?
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Not Sun Pier or Hoo.....
You are absolutely boiling John....... Take a few steps more!
Picture is around 1910?
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Ah yes -- Strood Pier
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How about Upnor ?
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Yes John...it is Upnor..."Pier"
There were a lot of these designed piers along the Medway Towns stretch of the river.
Where this could of been catchy is that the view is similar from a similar pier in Strood across to Gas House Point, The Gas holder was there then but not now?
In Upnor of course the similar view is across to St. Mary`s Island.
Over to you...
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Thanks Keith
It helped using Google Earth back in time maps.
Next one folks - shouldn't be too difficult, so no clues yet. ...
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the Street, Boughton under Blean?
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Not Boughton Pete although I can see your thinking. :) Head WSW.
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Harrietsham
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Not Harrietsham Pete but you're within about 12 km.
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My first thought was Charing,
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Not Charing either Pete. Need to continue roughly SW from there.
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A Dickens connection.
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Staplehurst
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Well done Pete. Staplehurst it is. The Dicken's connection is the train crash he was involved in close to Staplehurst. Over to you...
The Staplehurst rail crash was a derailment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derailment) at Staplehurst (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staplehurst), Kent on 9 June 1865 at 3:13 pm. The South Eastern Railway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Eastern_Railway_(UK))Folkestone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkestone) to London boat train (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boat_train) derailed while crossing a viaduct where a length of track had been removed during engineering works, killing ten passengers and injuring forty. In the Board of Trade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_Trade) report it was found that a man had been placed with a red flag 554 yards (507 m) away but the regulations required him to be 1,000 yards (910 m) away and the train had insufficient time to stop.
Charles Dickens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dickens) was travelling with Ellen Ternan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Ternan) and her mother (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Eleanor_Jarman) on the train; they all survived the derailment. He tended the victims, some of whom died while he was with them. The experience affected Dickens greatly; he lost his voice for two weeks and afterwards was nervous when travelling by train, using alternative means when available. Dickens died five years to the day after the accident; his son said that he had never fully recovered.
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One to ponder. So many different ways is the village name pronounced. Which is right? Take your pick
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Your name clue made me think of Trottiscliffe but I can't find your pub there. :D
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West Kent
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Less than 10 miles as the crow flies from Trottiscliffe ;)
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Shipbourne ?
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NNE of there
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The Plough, Plough Hill, Basted, Sevenoaks ?
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It is, various local prounciations, Ba sted, Baysted, Baasted. All yours , is it worth continuing ? Seems to be only thee & me
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Thanks Pete - I'll give it another try. Perhaps we're too good for them and they've backed off ;D ;D ;D
Next one - rural - not East Kent
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Some of us are simply out of photos until release date next month.
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I have been looking all over the place but could not find?......Pete`s clues were ok which is why i did not ask.
Well done John ...i was looking at more complicated names which did not pay off.
MartinR...you are allowed Postcards.
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John.....Post Code Area???
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Maidstone cemetery
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I was only jesting about Pete and being too good for the rest of you. I know it's difficult to get new material. That's why I asked Stewie if we could use Google images like we did on the old site. I can't get about like I used to as I no longer run a car.
Post code area KeithG TN17
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Not Maidstone Pete...
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That's why I asked Stewie if we could use Google images like we did on the old site. I can't get about like I used to as I no longer run a car.
Hi John Walker, apologies if you were waiting for a reply from me. I don't really have any objection to people using Google (or any other relevant), images for this thread, but I am merely a member amongst others and have no administration rights on this site. :-)
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That's why I asked Stewie if we could use Google images like we did on the old site. I can't get about like I used to as I no longer run a car.
Hi John Walker, apologies if you were waiting for a reply from me. I don't really have any objection to people using Google (or any other relevant), images for this thread, but I am merely a member amongst others and have no administration rights on this site. :-)
Try not to laugh Stewie. For some reason I thought you were Stuart Waters (admin) with a pseudonym of Stewie. So, it's me who should be apologising :D - I'll message the real Stuart Waters about using GSV images.
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Ha ha, that did make me chuckle. All sorted now, JW see my PM. I confirmed with a post in the Announcements bit. To save time, no, I don't mind people using GSV images as long as their size doesn't overwhelm the servers storage capacity.
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Golford Chapel Cranbrook
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Ha ha, that did make me chuckle. All sorted now, JW see my PM. I confirmed with a post in the Announcements bit. To save time, no, I don't mind people using GSV images as long as their size doesn't overwhelm the servers storage capacity.
Thank you Stuart. that will make it so much easier to find images to enter. I don't do a straight screen shot - these images are from GSV with a bit of help from a photo program. they are also reduced to around 500 pixels on the long side to save server space.
Cheers
John
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Golford Chapel Cranbrook
That's the place Pete - back to you :)
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Something fishy about this one ;D
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coastguard cottages ?
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Interesting thought but no, about 20 miles from the sea
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Harrietsham Almshouses, but I've not yet found the "fishy" connection.
Edit:Got it! "Mark Quested (d. 1642), Citizen and Fishmonger, bequeathed his estate to the Fishmongers' Company for various charitable uses, including the building of 12 almshouses."
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All yours,
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If you go up this road you'll find a connection to Manhattan and the end of some railways.
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Anything to do with a private railway ?
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No, and as a first clue that is end as in finish, not terminus.
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Anything to do with Beeching
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Yes, that's the "end of some railways", now you need to find the connection. Further clue at midday if no-one has got it by then.
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Is it along the Elham Valley between Folkestone - Canterbury?
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No Cat, you nearly as far away as possible within the confines of Kent.
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Next clue: Find a hill like a head near some counted trees.
Another clue this evening.
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Does Sevenoaks come into it?
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No pulling the wool over your eyes Pete. Sevenoaks is indeed the counted trees.
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Anything to do with the Westerham Valley branch line ?
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No, stay with Dr. Beeching.
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Chevening Road Dunton Green Sevenoaks ?
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No, but very close.
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So has the road been built on a track bed?
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No. As I said to John, stay with Dr. Beeching. The original Anglo-Saxon name may have meant "Place of Safety" which had an amazing coincidence in the very late C19.
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Station Road Brasted?
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Go north
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Something to do with E Nesbit?
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Nice one Smiffy. Now you're in the right village.
To sum up so far (and to save looking back):
* If you go up this road you'll find a connection to Manhattan and the end of some railways. - first part not attempted, the second part is Dr. Beeching.
* Find a hill like a head near some counted trees. - "hill like a head" not found, the second part is Sevenoaks.
* The original Anglo-Saxon name may have meant "Place of Safety" which had an amazing coincidence in the very late C19.
* A village connected to E Nesbit.
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Crow Drive, Halstead ?
Possibly two Manahattan Projects to do with explosives. Fort Halstead and America ?
Beeching worked in the Armament Design and Research Departments at Fort Halstead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Halstead)
Can't find a hill that looks like a head ?
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The Railway Children and Nuclear weapons - a very strange combination!
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That's the place John.
- The connection to Manhattan is that Project Manhattan was the first atomic bomb, and Dr. Penney came back from the States and continued the work at Fort Halstead (under the name "High Explosive Research") to make the UK's bomb.
- Beeching worked at the Fort.
- A hill like a head is Poll Hill ("poll" being an old name for a head).
- You got the counted trees.
- Halstead = hald (refuge, shelter, healthy) and stede (site, place or farm), and the Fort was originally build in the very late C19 to protect London from invasion.
- E Nesbit lived in Halstead village where she may have written the Railway Children but there are rival locations!
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halstead,_Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halstead,_Kent) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Halstead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Halstead) for more details.
Over to you!
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An exellent book-- ` Trinity ` -- tells of the making of the Atom Bomb -- from A to B.
The Italian scientist Enrico -- nearly caused the first explosion - in the desert.
He stopped the two main ingredients from meeting -- with a screwdriver.
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IIRC that was Enrico Fermi, he died less than a decade later of stomach cancer. He did a vast amount of research both in Italy and the US. The element Fermium is named after him, as is the Fermi Constant describing the weak nuclear force. He is often called "the father of the nuclear age" for it was he who designed and brought to fruition the Chicage squash court reactor - the first artificial chain reaction.
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A fascinating GTP MartinR. It took some finding and a lot learned on the way.
Next one ...
What is there of interest at the end of this road ? (I borrowed your idea MartinR :) )
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Well since it's you I start with a guess at Canterbury.
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Not Canterbury MartinR
Head SW
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John only asked `what is there of interest at the end of this road -- A farm stall ?
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Discovering the town would be a big clue as to what is at the end of this road. Depending on your decision you could find a museum or a castle.
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And some nostalgic smells ...
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There might be a farm stall somewhere down there Castle261 but that's not the answer :) - Something far more interesting is what you're looking for.
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Queenborough? Castle, glue works
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Only my opinion ... but putting up a picture of a "Road" idea seems very inadequate for such a good type of game?
There are plenty of images of places and buildings on Google to use to guess where they are, but to just have a picture of a road is not easy to find at all especially when it could be Summer or Winter?
Let`s get back to what Guess The Place use to be which made it more interesting?
Over and Out
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Its the road to Tenterden Station the clues were all there and being drip fed. Over to you KeithG :)
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Just outside 10 Station Road. I assume the castle is Bodiam - devious!
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Its the road to Tenterden Station the clues were all there and being drip fed. Over to your KeithG :)
I didn't mean to offend you John...
I know where the road is as I have used the station quite often but I can't continue with this type of game as it is which is what I meant by over and out.
Please choose another participant...... Thanks
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Am I missing something? Did KeithG get the answer? As far as I can see, Keith posted a comment about whether posting a picture of a road to a point of interest is valid, which is a fair point and something which is open to discussion.
I think the regular players of this game need to agree the threshold if people are going to post pictures of a road to somewhere. How do you define a fair distance from the point of interest, a couple of hundred yards, a mile or two? Where do you want to draw the line?
As someone who only really has a passing interest in the game and only dip my toes in occasionally, I'm happy to leave the regular players to fine tune the rules by agreement amongst themselves.
As far as this turn is concerned, it looks as though you've conceded the turn to KeithG. How do you want to proceed?
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Stuartwaters... I am sorry for causing any discern but I wanted to take the easy way out without any upset to GTP by just simply giving my reasons for myself not participating any more.
If after others discussions GTP does return to its original format then I shall return to help keep it going.
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To my point of view, I think it adds interest to the `Place` When John Walker described `where`
it was, even I should have `got` it, as I have stood looking down this road, to the station.
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I'm afraid that something about " a twist", comes to mind. Although I am unable to participate due to not having lived in Kent ( apart from 1966-1968) since 1947, I enjoyed reading these posts, especially, as Castle says, the descriptions by JohnWalker. The odd " road to" doesn't warrant giving up methinks. All I can say is, sad.
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I was out at the time and only had my mobile so couldn't put up an alternative GTP. As I saw it, it was a valid GTP. We have had many GTP of streets so I didn't see this as being that different apart from the clues would help identify the street. I was sure that every member would have seen that view on a visit to the railway, so expected it to go quickly.
The clues so far were:
SW of Canterbury
A castle - Bodiam
The museum - Railway Museum at the station
Nostalgic smell - coal and steam
I had other clues ready.
I should in hindsight just have put the picture of the street and asked guess the place. I felt it would add a bit of interest this way. You can actually see the crossing gates at the bottom of the road. Trying to get away from. "Oh no - not another bloody church in the middle of nowhere" ... :D
I'll put an alternative GTP up later :)
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Next one
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N, S, E or West Kent?
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East Kent KeithG
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St Mary Magdalene Monkton?
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Too far east KeithG. There is a connection with a bear.
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St Martins Wooton
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(OT) Whilst searching for this I checked out Westbere. Have a look at this rather unfortunate parking space on the road between the church and the graveyard: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3065491,1.1434324,3a,75y,275.67h,45.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWIOWr4ofQID4Fy4QKf8-eA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWIOWr4ofQID4Fy4QKf8-eA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D195.25465%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3065491,1.1434324,3a,75y,275.67h,45.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWIOWr4ofQID4Fy4QKf8-eA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWIOWr4ofQID4Fy4QKf8-eA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D195.25465%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
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Nackington, St Mary's? Though I haven't solved the "bear" clue yet.
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St Martins Church Canterbury?
Mary Tourtel... creator of Rupert Bear is buried here.
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Just looked in and missed the previous guesses but KeithG has it. 5 minutes walk away from my house. The church is rarely pictured from this view. It's very tight to get far enough back.
So ..... over to you Keith.
That parking place is rather apt MartinR :D
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Thank you John...
Not a church, but should be easy? :)
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Never seen that before - looks a bit spooky...
Medway area?
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Yes John... Not with us anymore
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Temple Manor?
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Quarry House, Frindsbury.
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Sorry Pete but shoot999 has it...
Built around 1611 near Frindsbury Quarry eventually the chalk being excavated all around it and was demolished in 1897 purely for the chalk it stood on.
Over to you shoot999...
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Thank you KeithG.
Not sure where I found this one from; but if it was from KHF it wont last long! ;D
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Coastal ?
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Coastal ?
Not coastal John.
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is that an early domed observatory on top of the tower behind?
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is that an early domed observatory on top of the tower behind?
Not sure CAT. It was originally a private house.
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Originally surrounded by woodland and a lake. Now part of an urban sprawl.
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I went to school here. Its Holcombe - was Chatham Tech, now a Grammar school.
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I went to school here. Its Holcombe - was Chatham Tech, now a Grammar school.
Same here, I was there 62-66 :) A recent Head Boy was putting something together on the history of the place; and had a number of pics of the place from different viewpoints. This was one of them. This view is surrounded by new builds now.
Over to you Smiffy.
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I've seen those pictures before and I'm still unsure if they date from the 19th century, or if they belong to some kind of later reenactment. I believe Holcombe itself dates from the 1890's.
The view seen in this photo isn't a million miles from what you'd see now...
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Upper Upnor High Street?
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That didn't take long!
Over to you...
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Thanks smiffy:
Was one of my childhood play areas... Use to pick blackberries for my Mum and Dad opposite the top of the High Street in Tank Field about 1959.
I'll be back later today ..........
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Kent being very coastal what Pier is this picture?
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Gravesend?
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Margate?
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Yes.... You have that CAT.
Margate Pier in 1918
Over to you...
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Sorry for the delay.
Here is my next, but where is this tranquil setting where people on bikes could stand in the middle of the road whilst 'old-timers' potter along with a bucket and stick?
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And very tall women try to :D hide behind hedges .
Bossingham ?
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Dollies Corner, Beltinge?
Alec.
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Afraid its not Bossingham, John Walker, or Beltinge, Invicta Alec. Your certainly both in the right half of the county :)
This village could be regarded as at the head of a river, though its several kilometres from the sea
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Fordwich? It's the tidal limit of the Stour, is that the "head"?
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My family was on holiday, on the beach at Margate - when one outdoor tidal pool was opened.
That`s the one near the rail station. The other one at Margate (Cliftonville ?) was opened in 1937.
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If by "head" you really meant "mouth", then Sarre is a contender. the street looks similar, but the pub has been rebuilt and the cross cottages shortened.
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Your getting closer MartinR, but not quite there. The river 'Head' is 'Mouth', but it is neither Sarre or Fordwich.
Whilst the pub is still standing, and very active (until Covid19) it has been altered, and the thatched cottage has gone to be replace with the pub carpark.
You could say the pub has a connection with 'The Animals'!
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Rising Sun East Stourmouth
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I am going to say Dog and Duck Stourmouth as something to do with animals in the clues...
But it is more like what Pete said the Rising Sun Stourmouth
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You have it Pete. It is 'The Rising Sun' pub at (West) Stourmouth.
Over to you
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An East Kent one for you, 200 years ago or so
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Davington Priory?
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I concur :)
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That was quick Keith, painted in 1807
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Thank you Pete...
Where could this of been?
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What is now North Downs Business Park in Anisbirches Wood near Sevenoaks?
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Not there MartinR...
Go ENE...
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Frindsbury?
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Too far North...
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Somewhere along the banks of the Medway. Peters at Wouldham?
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Blue Bell Hill? I did wonder about Halling, but it's not really South of Frindsbury.
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Kilns at Borstal where the M2 bridge crosses now?
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Lime Kilns on Bluebell Hill ?
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Lime Kilns on Bluebell Hill ?
EDIT:
Sorry - didn't see MartinR had already suggested here.
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Well...you all have it really as there were some of these Lime Kilns dotted all around this area including up School Lane Wouldham but not on the banks of the Medway
They were at Borstal but this was more a Chalk Quarry.
These are Lime Kilns around Bluebell Hill area in 1905 but are at Bluebell Hill.....so MartinR arrived there first.
Over to You.....
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Some low lying islands, what are they called? Bonus if anyone can say what is uncommon about the buoyage hereabouts.
Photo: Richard Dorrell
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I've always known them as mudflats or there may be a posh words like salt marshes?
Depending if a certain port is a busy one the buoyage can be reversed if boats arrive from the East or West as an example?
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;D Beyond the strip of water (and the mud flats) you can see grass which marks out permanent islands. They're the ones you are looking for.
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Deadman's Island?
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No, wrong river
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Rushenden Marsh?
Chetney Marsh?
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No, but the right river this time.
I've just noticed you comment on the buoyage, you're very nearly right.
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There are so many named marshes on the map so what side of what river or creek am I on and which way am I looking?
I used to know it around here when 19 yrs old as my neighbour was a skipper on a coastal and continental barge I worked for him for quite a while after my apprenticeship in 1967 and this was the buoyage rules around Milton Port etc.
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Chetney Hill?
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The Swale near Conyer Creek. Sea bed is privately owned - are the buoys related to that, Oyster beds?
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Keith, you're so nearly there. The view is from the south of the Swale. Keep thinking about Milton, you were right about the buoyage reversing, but it was nothing to do with how busy a port is. All we need is the name of the islands.
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Elmley Island / Marshes?
The Lilies?
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Coming into the Swale from the West you go upstream to Milton Creek so the red buoys are on the left (port side). Coming into the Swale from the East you also go upstream to Milton Creek. So again the red buoys are on the left(port side). Therefore the buoys switch sides at the entrance to Milton Creek?
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Further along the Swale is Harty Island?
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Right shoot999. So now you've got the place, what are the islets called? In passing the photo was taken from the Saxon Shore Way, that's what the sign is for.
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MartinR .... I don't think you can be reading the answers / posts properly??
I have already mentioned The Lilies in a previous post?
Here is your picture with the answer...
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Apologies Keith. I just saw the "Elmley Island / Marshes" line in the RSS preview, "The Lillies" was off the bottom of the screen. Well done, you are correct, over to you.
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OK MartinR thanks.....
What have we here... another church but where?
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That one is well hidden. I could just make out the shadow of the spire on Google Earth.
St, Margarets Church, Wychling ?
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Well John you know your churches..... Shame they are still closed...
Over to you.
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Thanks KeithG
That one was more luck than anything - I happened to be lucky with my first search area for a change.
Next one - another church. Not well hidden.
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TN postcode
About 1 mile east of a major north/south route.
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St Peter & St Paul Tonbridge
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Sorry - not Tonbridge Pete.
A small village near a visitor attraction.
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N S E W in TN as a very large area?
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Trinity Church, Sissinghurst
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You have it MartinR It is indeed Trinity Church.
I was expecting more questions before it was guessed. Also had plenty more clues on standby. I like to give it a day before giving too much away in case someone guesses it without clues etc.
So ... Over to you
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This almost looks Dutch, but is really in Kent.
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Head of Milton Creek Sittingbourne?
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Well Keith, I now have a problem. It is indeed the head of Milton Creek in 1866, but Milton Creek was never in Sittingbourne. As an ex-resident of Milton Regis I can assure you it was OUR creek, not that jumped up johnny-come-lately place up the road! >:(
Over to you ...
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Thanks MartinR...... I do know what you say. I worked at Trinity Trading Estate in 1972 for around 10/12 yrs so do know about the Creek and what the locals say. I especially remember the smell and thousands of midges in the Summer?
I was merely writing down what the Art UK website for Swale Borough Council says the painting is called so it must be the correct answer ;D
I'll be back......
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(OT) A local saying: "it must be low tide in Milton Creek"; I heard this from several people over the years in the White Hart when the barmaid pulled short measure. The infamous stink of the Creek was due to the waste from Sittingbourne Mill. For many years they discharged a mixture of clay and paper waste. The former helped silt the creek up, the latter rotted. I navigated up the creek four years ago and it was only passable in a dinghy drawing 2' (at the prop) on a high tide.
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I never went in the White Hart... The Britannia was my haunt now a takeaway I believe?
My friends who lived there worked at Milton Pipes...
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Yep, Milton's first Kebab shop. I was warned off the Brit (rough, trouble) and used the White Hart at first. Later I preferred the Hats, particularly since if you knew the Landlord and the back way in he was a bit flexible with time! :) :)
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I only used the Three Hats a couple of times when i went in for a pint with our labourer as that was the only pub he would use?.....My good friend from Retail Improvements Shopfitting who worked on the next bench to me lived right at the end of Cortland Mews in that tiled gabled house (to the right of the RAC van on Google Maps) around the back of the High Street.
I had some good times at Milton in the 1970`s / 80`s.
Anyway back to business, where was this pub?...
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It look like the Ancient Druids, Dover but the window positions don't quite match the photo I have. I have also got it listed as The Prince of Orange.
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I reckon on it being an old pic of The Hastings Arms at Rye.
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Is the building still there?
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Not Dover John
Not in Sussex grandarog
Shoot999..... The pub closed business in 1911.
The site it stood on after demolition was built on in1926.
The new then building was an art deco type design and is still standing...
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ME Postcode.....
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So where are the Art deco type of buildings of medium size in ME area?
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The site of the Featherstones building in the High Street at Chatham Intra? Now an arts centre.
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Well you certainly worked that one out shoot999?
The pubs name was The Tartar Frigate ......if i remember correctly this building of Featherstones was for the Gents Outfitters.
Spemco took it over for quite a while who are also on the New Road near where the sweeping corner can go down to the Cut.
Over to you then......
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Thank you for that KeithG. I had narrowed it down to Medway pubs demolished by the 50s that used that particular brewery, with the Tartar Frigate being one of them. But I don't think I would have got any further without the art deco clue. The pub brickwork reminded me of a number of buildings along Chatham Intra and Featherstones was the only art deco building around there.
Next one.
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Was that a baker's shop behind the girl?
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Was that a baker's shop behind the girl?
Not sure about that KeithG. But to my knowledge it has always been business premises. And although modernised the two properties in the foreground are pretty similar. Bigger windows I think.
A well known view; hence the picture is heavily cropped.
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Near Rochester Castle ?
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Near Rochester Castle ?
Well that just effectively made my next clue redundant. :D
`Which ever way you turn you are confronted by history'.
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Nos. 41/43 Haircut Chemistry shop?
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Not there KeithG. But you are as close as John Walker.
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George Vaults?
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Not there MartinR.
Typical day trip to Rochester
1 Take a pic of the castle with the cannon in the foreground.
2 Take a pic of the Cathedral from half way up the castle.
3 Take a pic of GTP
4 Wander through the High Street.
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26 (Castlerock Wealth Management) - 28 (West barbers)?
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Getting colder MartinR. And maybe don't give the High Street so much attention.
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Crepe and Co. Used to be called The Precinct Pantry by Jasper's Gate.... the eating place... seems to be the only one with shutters?
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Well done KeithG.
You can see why I was a bit fierce with the cropping! Seen so many pics from this viewpoint but hadn't come across this one before.
Over to you.
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Thank you shoot999....when i worked for my friend Doug Skipper in his shop for 18 months rest from woodwork >:( ...on Saturday lunchtime we used to go there and the food was quite good but then in the mid 70`s indoors not outside.
I seem to be myself like a camera as i knew that was a type of bakers shop behind the girl in fact it was called Topes then and they used to have not bread but all posh cakes in the windows. That also was an eating place but more like high teas?
Forgot to say that Doug`s Solicitor Colin Whyman lived up in Jaspers Gate...
Next one:
Where do you think this was?
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Herne Bay
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Sorry Pete...go more West
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Sheppey?
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Faversham, old open air pool.
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No sorry Smiffy...Not there either grandarog
On Kent mainland but go West ...
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Gravesend
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Pete...you have gone 5mls to far
The year is 1935...there were factories nearby.
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The Lido The Strand near Gillingham ? (I think that's what it's called)
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Too far East from Gravesend John
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Not a pun but water nearby...
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Near Cliffe? The Curtis and Harvey site?
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No sorry shoot999.... Come pretty much 5mls South
There was a scrap yard nearby and the owner was once a prominent person...
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Cobham Park
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No industry or scrap yard and certainly no water nearby Pete.
Head 4mls East.....i am limited with clues otherwise obvious giveaway... Actually it was near two types of scrap yards and a wood yards.
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Strood? Just to narrow it down a bit.
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Laughing Waters Shorne? Scrappy Lynch?
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Lido at Rochester, shipbreakers next door IIRC
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Wrong side of the river shoot999
Not Laughing Waters Pete but Lynch scrap yard is one of them nearby....... Jack Arnold was one Mayor of Rochester.
Rochester never had what you call a Lido. The swimming pool was next to a small boatyard.
Having said that the picture shows boats and you are very hot!
One more guess should nail it?
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I will be fair as Pete is so near just maybe 300yds away and also i never ever knew about this Boating Lake.
The word i was looking for was Rochester ESPLANADE Boating Lake in 1935. You will notice it goes the other way to the old swimming pool?
You can see in the picture the Arethusa which was being repaired at Acorn Wharf.
Over to you Pete.....
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I read about it in the Esplanade Redevelopment paper where it stated it was never built! I think your picture and Google Earth from 1960 say otherwise. :D
IIRC it was originally the mathematical school land it was built on?
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That is interesting shoot999.....
Pete had been chasing this every where hence why I think he deserves the next guess.
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Another pub. Still trading
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Robin Hood --- at Bluebell Hill.
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Go south a fair way
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Biddenden area?
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TN postcode
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Hawkhurst area?
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Tonbridge area
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I'm here!! Not Hawkhurst. Bishops Finger may point you in the right direction if you're a Catholic
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So it could be in the Tonbridge area then -- Pete ------ from THE invisable man ?)
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Found this but it hasn't helped me so far.
Bishop's finger - a sign post direction post standing at a corner where two or more way meet, and pointing out the road travellers should take.
Anything to do with a pilgrimage route that Catholics might make?
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Further - answered my own query ...
'The Cardinals Error' Oak Lane Tonbridge
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Spot on, no nuns were harmed in the clues of this question :o . I can't remember the exact details but I think it was something to do with land titles
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Thanks Pete = that took some searching but he clues certainly helped.
Next one ....
East Kent
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Quite rural. A private dwelling now.
Close to a now closed processing plant.
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Biddenden
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Waste processing?
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Not Biddenden Castle262.
Yes - waste processing CAT
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I held back on clues as I though it might be recognised.
CT post code.
Old Money will help as will something to piddle in.
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The Penny Pot, Waltham?
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Well done Diapason. It is indeed the Penny Pot Inn. Just down the road from the now closed Thruxted Mill Animal Processing Plant. The stench in the area was terrible. They were fined for allowing liquids from the plant flow into the surrounding countryside. Had been going on unsighted for years it seems. Now, there is a planning application to build a small housing estate on the land.
I used to have to drive past it at times and my normally docile Labrador would immediately change character. He would emit a low primeval growl, the whites of his eyes would show and his lips would go back. Like a canine version of The Exorcist. I was expecting his head to turn 360 degress! Real spooky stuff!
Over to you ...
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Your clue gave that one away, John!
Next one, not a church but very close to one.
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Quick guess - Denton?
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Sorry, not Denton, John! Can`t find the postcode for the next one, but ME can`t be far out.
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Faversham area?
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Only a few miles away and rural.
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Doddington. Somewhere near St John's Church ?
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You`re nearly there, John. Only a couple of miles away.
Can be seen on GE but the view of the church nearby is obliterated by trees.
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South of the M2 ?
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Yes! South of the M2.
ME9
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Well, that was the area I was searching. I think I've looked near every church in that locality. Newnham ?
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Not Newnham, you were slightly nearer with Doddington. The following clue should give it away: the building in the photo is about 100yds away from the redundant church with which it was formerly connected.
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is the church St Catherines and is the building the old rectory?
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Well done, Pete. The last clue was a certain giveaway!
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West Kent is all your going to get ATM and a pub,
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Duke of Wellington, Ryash, West Malling
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Thought it would last longer than that! All yours
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Maybe this will go just as quick? I'm getting a bit desperate for something different; need to spend some time finding some gems online.
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Grounds of Leeds Castle?
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Not Leeds Castle, but it's an historic setting. Further west.
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Mote Park?
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Carry on west.
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Ightham?
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Almost there.
And still time for someone to work out where by whose sitting down outside for wine and tea on a winters day.
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Do you know when the photo was taken?
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Do you know when the photo was taken?
Over 50 years ago.
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Knole Park?
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Knole Park?
Thats the place! Over to you KeithG. The Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane video shoot.
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Thanks for that shoot999...
Where could this of been, i was surprised myself?
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I'm going for something obvious to start with-Medway Towns?
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Yes it is Medway Towns ....but where do you recon?
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Canterbury St Gillingham
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No not there Pete...go West
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Strood? What was a Toilet Club? Seemingly run by Mr Mancettinci ?
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End of Luton Road towards the arches?
Alec.
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This is a new one to me. Rochester?
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Not Strood Pete...
Not Luton Road Alec...
But Yes....it is Rochester Smiffy :D
This is a clue:
Although i have the picture for a few years as i collect whatever to do with the Towns, this one i didn`t know where it was until i compared it with another which was taken many years later call it a type of older update?......similar to what they do with Fake Tudor Houses.
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Strood? What was a Toilet Club? Seemingly run by Mr Mancettinci ?
Where you could have a bath, shave, haircut, etc. Before many had running water.
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Are we looking somewhere other than the High Street. Rochester Maidstone Road? The old bit. Crow Lane.
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Think I've pinned it down, and you're right it is surprising. Opposite where the Gaumont cinema was in the High street. The entrance to the later Bourne & Hilliers milk depot would be just off to the left.
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Sorry shoot999 but Smiffy has it...
Yes it is where you say opposite the old cinema when it was there?... and you can see Naylar & Son Funeral Directors further along on the angle and just about the Red Lion Pub.
Don`t know what year but now compare with the second photo from 1948 and the end house and next but one have Tudor Style updates... I wonder why?
Over to you then Smiffy...
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Possibly a fashion thing - remember stone cladding in the 70's? ::)
This might be a bit too easy for some. It has an interesting, and you could say quite tragic, history though.
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Isn`t that Dode Church ?
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Yes, got it in one, I thought it might have been a bit easy. Known once as Dowde's Church (Dudes cirice), the village itself was practically wiped out during the great plague in the 14th century. Although parts date back to Norman times it was extensively restored in 1905-06.
Your turn again...
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Thanks Smiffy...
I knew this one as then my local Catholic Church was the English Martyrs on Frindsbury Hill and this Dode Church comes under their jurisdiction and to keep it open has to say Mass once a year and i did go a couple of times ...supposedly at the time in around 1971 it was the smallest church in England and i do remember it in a more woody area so perhaps it is all done up like the picture shows.
Next one where was this?
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Was this on a main thoroughfare which has now been bypassed?
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Yes it was Hodge...
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Ah-ha! Yes, I know where this is but as I don't have a pic to post I'll leave it for someone who does!
(I'm sure you all won't want to wait for me while I sort through a big box of old photographs.....)
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That is OK... always get your picture first?
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I'm sure you are expecting this question.
Medway Towns?
;D
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Outer?
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Was Texaco garage nearby...
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The main part of the building looks like a water board pumping station ? No idea where though.
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Ok...not a water pumping station but a Chapel or Mission Hall.
It is not named after the road it was in but after the area it resides in?
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Was the road bypassed part of the old A2?
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Blue Bell Hill nearby?
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Shoot999... not the A2
Smiffy... not Blue Bell Hill
... nearby yes
You have to name the area as that is where it was?
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Was just down from now demolished pub also named after the area...
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Bridgewood Chapel? Close to the garage and Bridgewood Cottage pub. Part of the old Maidstone Road that was bypassed. All long gone.
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Yes...you have that shoot999...
There is a wood which was below Buckmore Wood called Bridge Wood and this is from which the area got its name.
Also around 1821/66 where the junction of the B2097 Rochester/Maidstone Road meets the A229 Chatham/Maidstone Road (roughly ASDA Supermarket) there were Turnpike Gates called Bridgewood Gates and the Toll paid for repairs and maintenance to those two roads down to the High Street Rochester and also Town of Chatham.
Over to you shoot999...
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I only got it from searching pubs in the area following your clue. Strange, but I lived just a short distance away by the airport and must have used this road numerous times from the 50s til the 70s. And I don't remember a thing about it!
Next one.
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Chatham Dockyard, one of the pumping stations?
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Thats it Pete. The main one on the Bull Nose before they chopped the top off and surrounded the base with other buildings.
Over to you.
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Total guess only place I could think of with elaborate Victorian brickwork. Try this, seems to have changed name so I'll accept the current or what I knew it as 25 years ago
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I know where this is, but have no idea what it's called. I think it's a hotel now?
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It was when I knew it under it's old name, run by a Hungarian. Want to have a go describing where it is?
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It was when I knew it under it's old name, run by a Hungarian. Want to have a go describing where it is?
I'll pass I'm afraid, I don't have a photo I can use....
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Ashford area?
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Go west young man
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Wedding Venue?
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I'll throw in a clue - Hadlow area.
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Harlow Manor Hotel?
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I'll give you that for trying, Hadlow Manor, previously Leavers Manor At Gooses Green nr Hadlow
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Thanks Pete, Just noticed my typo. I sent that guess via my mobile so not sure if it my typo or spelling checker taking over. Stuart's clue helped me locate that one.
Next one ... What is this drive the entrance to ?
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Eridge Park?
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Not there Pete - head roughly NE.
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Doddington Place?
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calverley park
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Sorry Pete, Diapason has it - The entrance to Doddington Place.
Over to you diapason ...
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The only `shot` that I could take of this church as it was at the `dead end` of a lane and the churchyard gate was padlocked - PRE LOCKDOWN.
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Mid Kent?
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TN Postcode
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Kent Downs ?
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Downs
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N, S, E or West in TN as there are over 40 codes a huge area?
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St Mary's Chiddingstone?
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TN25 Ashford area.
Not on GE. At the end of a narrow lane which is a `dead` end.
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St Mary's by Kennington?
Near Ulley Road & The St.
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Not there, Keith - too near Ashford.
Approx. Equidistant between Canterbury and Ashford.
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I held off to give others a chance , It,s Challock Church. :)
For interest the church was extensively bombed and damaged in WW2 and rebuilt. There are some lovely murals inside well worth a visit if you can gain access.
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I guess this could be described as 'extensively bombed', though the collapse of the roof occurred after the war as a result of damage sustained during.
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I held off to give others a chance , It,s Challock Church. :)
For interest the church was extensively bombed and damaged in WW2 and rebuilt. There are some lovely murals inside well worth a visit if you can gain access.
And it is also quite some distance (~1mile) from the village centre down a lane with only 1 other house near it. I was told it was another of those cases of the village moving around the time of Black Death (or some other ague).
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Not to go to far off topic DaveTheTrain, but in Kent you have to move slightly sideways from the idea that an isolated church marks the site of a deserted/lost village due to the Black Death, or other pestilence. Its more that the church evolved from the private chapel/church of the manorial lord. Sometimes the village moves towards the church, whilst other times it forms away from it and they have to commute. This is why you frequently see the local manor house/court lodge near the church.
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Challock it is! So Granderog has it.
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Thanks Bryn,
Don't think this one will last long.
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Eastgate House, Rochester.
Alec.
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Sorry, no, head East.
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I think that is or was a Masonic Hall. In Abbey Place, Faversham ?
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Over to you John Walker.
I said it wouldn't last long .New there would be Masons about that would recognise straight away.
Actually was the original Queen Elizabeth School Faversham before the Masons acquired the building. There is a plaque .
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Thanks Grandarog - An impressive building rather tucked away in Faversham. I tried to find an interior photo of the first floor but no luck. I'm guessing it could be quite special.
Next one .....
ME Postcode
An item made in Canterbury is part of this church.
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Between two Motorways
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The photo is the closest I could get on GSV. This church is very much out in the sticks. Well marked on GSV though.
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A house and gardens open to the public fairly close by.
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St Michael & All Angels. Throwley?
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Re 2221, try https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4574374
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St Michael & All Angels. Throwley?
Well done KeithG - Spot on. I found this photo afterwards but it's too easy to find on a Google Image Search.
Over to you
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Re 2221, try https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4574374 (https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4574374)
Thank you Nemo - Impressive.
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Thanks John...
Usually we see things from the front but this is the rear of a Pub now gone but where was it?
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Ha Ha - this is part of a picture I actually took myself, so it wouldn't be fair to answer this one :) The only clue I can give is the date - October 1972 when it was still standing.
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Chatham High St?
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Smiffy...first come first served??
This was the last Pub i used before my bad car accident, not the same day ;) , and this is why i scanned it from a newspaper i had at the time.
This picture is 1970...but the Pub was demolished in another newspaper i have a picture from 1984.
Pete... Yes Chatham High Street
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I remember posting this on the old forum as I couldn't remember the name myself. It's one of a series I took for a college project. I unearthed them many years later, digitized them and sent a copy to Medway archives.
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Smiffy.... I am suspecting the pictures I have may be yours as it was a long time ago. I have scanned and collected pictures for years of the Towns.
Did your pictures include Star Hill as well?
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Name of the building or owner when built ;D
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Ashford?
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KeithG - it was mainly from New Road down Gundulph and along the High street to where Anchorage house is now. They're all public domain now, so no problems with posting any of them.
Bye the way, no one got the name of the pub!
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I know... Although to be fair I made a mistake and only said
"where was this" so Chatham High Street is correct.
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KeithG - it was mainly from New Road down Gundulph and along the High street to where Anchorage house is now. They're all public domain now, so no problems with posting any of them.
Bye the way, no one got the name of the pub!
Royal Exchange?
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Yes shoot999 that's the name of the pub... great jukebox ;D
There was a gap next door where we used to meet with our bikes in '64 -'65 next to the Von Alten never had to go far for a pint
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not Ashford, go west
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Pete's picture is the old Somerfield Hospital on Tonbridge Road, Maidstone. Now Brachers, Solictors.
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I think the hospital was further back towards town and it's London Rd not Tonbridge Rd. Junction of Queens Rd and London Rd. It was originally Fanum House , local HQ for the Automobile Association. In the 60s it had an aerial on the roof. There was also a bunker that was built & used in WW2 as Anti Aircraft control room. Over to you Dave
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Thanks Pete, a silly error from me with road names, I lived off Queens Rd for a while.
Now, where is this? Some clues to start: Not the usual areas, but Kent Downs. The name of the village is not pronounced as written (by quite some difference), although modern times most people pronounce it wrongly. The shop looks exactly the same today, although closed. Within no distance you could have a pint (as I do every alternate Sunday evening) in the pub opposite, buy Petrol next door or get some animal hides processed.
That's all the clues for now. DTT
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That looks like the old village shop in The street, Hastingleigh?
If correct, then the pub would be The Bowl Inn with the car repair shop opposite?
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Well done, CAT. You are right. I thought it might last longer. It was Tappenden's Store and PO. The Bowl Inn as you correctly point out, run by the marvellous Big Ron until recently and now run by his lovely wife, Annie. A CAMRA award winning pub.
Hastingleigh, should be pronounced Aghh zing lie. And on a Sunday night it is my bi-weekly regular pub.
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Many thanks DaveTheTrain. I use to pass through the village frequently several years ago and always like this surviving rural enclave. Once a typical view of most rural villages, my own having the usual shop (x2), bakery, post office, carpenter (coffin maker, cordwainer and cobbler), school and two pubs. No garage and sadly all but the school have gone.
Here is next, which I'm sure will go very quick, but where is it and what was the clock tower for?
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Ashford Railway Works Clock Tower?
This tower marks the entrance to Ashford's railway works on Newtown Road.
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Just as predicted, someone out there clearly knows their railway works :).
Grade II listed as being 'Circa 1850 possibly by Samuel Beazley. Consists of a 2 storey lodge built of red brick with grey headers. Slate roof. Gabled ends with plain bargeboards. Simple sashes with verticals only. Round headed doorcase. Attached to the north-west is a brick clock tower of red brick slightly tapering towards the summit. The top stage is of yellow brick and has a triple opening on each side and a pyramidal cap with finial. Rusticated base. Modern extension on ground floor. The linking clock tower was originally free standing and is later in its style & materials, c1898'
Absolutely spot on KeithG. Over to you
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Thank you for that CAT...interesting description.
Where is this?
First Clue: ME postcode
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Is that Bredgar?
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Loose village?
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Not Bredgar or Loose Village...
It is Grade II Listed!
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Near Hollingbourne ?
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No John not Hollingbourne... There is a large Park near by and not Mote Park?
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Think of an untipped cigarette...
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I have an idea that's Capstone Road farmhouse...
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Yes... You have that Smiffy.
Contains many original features after renovation.
The Capstone Farm Country Park is nearby.
Over to you...
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I believe some parts of the farmhouse go back to the 14th century.
A bit of this structure still exists, but you would probably pass by these days without noticing it...
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Medway area?
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Is the structure light industrial (saw pit cover, donkey wheel etc.)?
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ME postcode.
CAT- you're very warm.
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Is it a well? That looks like a rivetted tank over the pump lever. No idea where is it, however.
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DaveTheTrain - yes it is (or was) a well, but that's not a tank or a lever!
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Strand boating pool,sorry I'm a bit confused?
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Blacksmiths/farriers and bellows ?
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Sorry John, nothing to do with blacksmiths.
Far eastern part of the Medway region.
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Meresborough area?
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The post closest to the camera appear to be rounded and with a 'drum' on top. Is it a covered winding mechanism, possibly for raising water or even a sluice gate?
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water supply for steam engines / traction engines?
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Smiffy did you know the old Miersborough Lane is now Meresborough Lane?
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Not Meresborough, but you're close. Go a little bit further west. CAT, you're pretty much there re use, as it's for raising water.
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I am going to guess and say its Pump Lane, Rainham. I would have to guess and say it is by the old Bus Garage.
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Can I adjust my answer, looking at old maps, there is a pumping station on tother side of the London Road, which on old maps is shown as Pump Lane, but is now Guardian Court. Here lies the Rainham Mark WSW. So I think it may have been Platters Farm.
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Not Platter's farm, but there is a Farm shop close by. Not far to the south are some motorway services.
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I think maybe further down Pump Lane near Lower Rainham Road... Pump Farm?
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This is proving to be more fiendish to track down than I anticipated! A big clue then - the road was once known as Chapel Lane.
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Found it, the little bypassed lane off Mierscourt Road. The tree is still there as is the woodwork.
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I realised i was the wrong side of the A2 but couldn't post as busy
Well done DTT
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DaveTheTrain has located it! Here is the English Heritage entry:
Well house. C18-19. Timber-frame and thatched hipped roof. E spindle with a drum at the top, and braced arm for a horse, and 4 W posts for the winding wheel over the well which is capped by a stone flag. A rare and unusual surviving example of this type.
You are now it...
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Thanks Smiffy (and Keith),
I enjoyed that, I looked at every pump station in Rainham to find it! Here goes the next one. It is not our usual area, but I did go to school here (or nearby) ... not that that helps you (or maybe it does).
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Smiffy did you know the old Miersborough Lane is now Meresborough Lane?
Sorry Smiffy got my names mixed up!! ::)
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Looking on old maps it used to be called Almshouse Lane. I haven't been able to identify where these Almshouses were though.
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Apparently associated with the Almshouses which were at the top of Otterham Quay Lane
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DTT - A convent school ?
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Is the school referred to, Chatham House, Ramsgate?
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Townley House, Chatham Street, Ramsgate.To be developed into Flats after Farleys Furniture vacated the premises.
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Beachbum has it, it is Townley House, Chatham Street, Ramsgate. I do see that Diapson had the school correctly, but think it only fair to award it to Beachbum, both as a new player and the fact that BB named the building. I hope you agree Diapson?
It was a school and was designed by Mrs Townley an architect of the time. The nearby school is Chatham House for day boys and borders.
As beachbum points out it was Farley's Furniture Store up until recently. I remember going in there to buy furniture as a kid. Beds and Sofas as I recall.
Over to you Beachbum.
Dave
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Beachbum has it, it is Townley House, Chatham Street, Ramsgate. I do see that Diapson had the school correctly, but think it only fair to award it to Beachbum, both as a new player and the fact that BB named the building. I hope you agree Diapson?
Yes! I certainly agree DTT. I had Townley House in mind, as earlier in the week I came across Farley`s Furniture Store (Townley House) whilst searching for something else.
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Sorry everyone, I cannot load a photo without the whole folder transfering (complete with location).
Please feel free to continue...........
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No problem, Beachbum. The joy of technology.
In this case, I think we should cede to Diapson.
Diapson over to you.
DTT
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Have crack at this one, Beachbum. I`m hoping that you have sorted posting your photos - it`s taken me an hour to post this one as I couldn`t remove the caption.
I`ve reason to believe that you may know where this was taken.
My Granddad is on it at the bottom, dead centre playing the bass trombone.
I estimate the photo was taken just before or, most likely, just after WW1.
The extreme top left and right corners should give it away.
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Folkestone harbour?
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Ramsgate Harbour with the tram track coming down from Madeira Walk?
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Spot on, John.
I can only assume that it`s the Ramsgate Town Band, as my Granddad once lived at the nearby Minster Laundry House where he was the engineer.
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It's a great photo Diapason. There must be a lot of detail in the original. It looks like it might have been a St George's Day parade with all the England flags in the background?
My grandfather was in an air force band and was based at Manston in WW2. He played the Euphonium.
Next one coming up later.
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Spot on, John.
I can only assume that it`s the Ramsgate Town Band, as my Granddad once lived at the nearby Minster Laundry House where he was the engineer.
I wonder what the event was, Diapson? I had realised it was Ramsgate but thought I would let others chime in. I looked to see what event it may be.
DTT
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If it's just after the first war it could be a Peace Day procession.
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Can anyone make out what the banner says?
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Can anyone make out what the banner says?
I think it says COME BE ONE OF US or something along those lines. Salvation Army ?
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Next one ... Clues to follow if needed .
Where does this lead to?
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Maidstone Zoo?
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A big house ................. Doddington Place ,perhaps.
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Not Maidstone Zoo or Doddington Place, but it is a house.
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It's a neo-classical brick country house
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Godinton House?
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Not Godinton Diapason - Head north
White Rabbit would find this place useful.
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Tenterton/Wittersham area?
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Sorry Shoot999 - I should have said NORTH from Godinton House. I've now corrected it. :-[
The White Rabbit clue is significant. Think about the start of Alice in Wonderland.
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ME13
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Belmont House, Throwley. I had me scratching my head. I could not place it, and yet my friend lived almost opposite!
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That's the place DTT. The White Rabbit clue related to the clock collection at Belmont. Over to you ...
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Thanks John,
A very nice place to walk around, I recommend it to the house.
Now, where is this. Obviously a picture without a motor bus in it, is not worth taking (as every schoolboy knows), so where did the talented photographer stand to take this photo?
No clues yet.
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Roman Galley, Thanet Way?
Alec.
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Not the Roman Galley, Alec.
DTT
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Firstly - what a superb photo. The excitement of a day trip to the seaside and the stop at a pub on the way home.
Along the A2 ?
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Absolutely John (and all the more, the stop at the pub). But they are not heading home, they are facing their destination.
It is not the A2.
I would add, the scene is unchanged to-day except the lean-to on the pub has become a single storey flat roof extension.
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Outside the George Inn, Challock?
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Sorry, Molash, not Challock
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CAT has it, The George Inn, Molash on the A252. Which was the other principal route to Canterbury, and then on to Margate taking the A20, A252, A28 route.
The pub had a little tin-shed shop in the car park that sold flowers and fruit. It was managed by a local chap who paid rent to the pub. The shed gets mentioned in Edward Hyams local book "From the Waste Land" which charts his life as a cottager/market-gardener just after the second war. The shed is still there and used for storage.
CAT must have a very similar route to mine to know these places.
Over to you.
DTT
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Seeing the picture with all the charabancs reminds me of the A2 through Sittingbourne back before the M2 .Sunday evenings there would be streams of the old Red London Transport double Deckers coming back from Margate with full loads of London families on board . Used to watch them from the balcony and wave as they struggled up Snipes Hill some with steam blowing out of the bonnets.
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A summer evening at Jacksons field watching the traffic return. Half the kids from Troy Town would be sent up there on a Sunday evening with some sandwiches for their tea.
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What a great pic, simpler times. Anyone want to play a side game of name-that-vehicle? I am pretty certain, that the coach is an AEC Regal.
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Seeing the picture with all the charabancs reminds me of the A2 through Sittingbourne back before the M2 .Sunday evenings there would be streams of the old Red London Transport double Deckers coming back from Margate with full loads of London families on board . Used to watch them from the balcony and wave as they struggled up Snipes Hill some with steam blowing out of the bonnets.
And Strood, Rochester & Chatham gridlocked from Strood Hill back
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Many thanks DaveTheTrain
Its a route out of Canterbury I've taken many times. The George is meant to be a very good place to eat, but have yet to get there.
Here's my next, but where is this sleepy scene?
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I well remember those days Shoot99. Myself and others were down near the top of Star hill one Sunday afternoon watching the drivers just stop and some got out of their cars and sat on the wall and where we were we noticed a gap forming in the traffic in front of a truck (lorry to you :) ) We went over and the driver had fallen asleep. Woke with a start when we banged on the door.
Couldn't blame him as there could be a long wait getting down the hill and through the high street and out through Strood. What a difference the M2 made.
AlanTH.
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Ignore :)
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All Saints Birchington?
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DaveTT. Do you know what happened to AEC please? They were really big in the bus world in the 30/40's/50'/60's- works in Southall I believe. But just disappeared! Sorry everyone, gone off topic!
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Sorry JohnWalker, not Birchington. More north/central Kent this one
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What a great pic, simpler times. Anyone want to play a side game of name-that-vehicle? I am pretty certain, that the coach is an AEC Regal.
That could be a good idea for a new thread DTT. I might ok ok on early cars but not transport.
John
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Luddesdown Church ?
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DaveTT. Do you know what happened to AEC please? They were really big in the bus world in the 30/40's/50'/60's- works in Southall I believe. But just disappeared! Sorry everyone, gone off topic!
Sorry to muddle this in the middle of the game chaps, but here is my quick answer. AEC aquired several other companies include body builders Park Royal. They bought Maudsley and Crossley. The group of companies was finally acquired by Leyland in 1962.
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Much too far west JohnWalker, you should be roughly midway between your previous location and this last one.
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Still rural or been surrounded by urban development?
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Still rural JohnWalker, but for how long? There is a ever increasing moderate sized town close by. Its just off a major historic route and not too far from water, which helps with the interpretation of its Old English name as 'Moist and bleak'. However, its more likely to be a personal pre-Norman reference and his/there 'springs'.
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Lets pick the bones out of the picture:
1. That is estate fencing on the RHS with stock protected trees so it must be a reasonable size estate
2. The school on the left is quite large so a village that is a reasonable size
3. The church has two church houses, that look like brick and flint. That was typical of the sittingbourne/Swale area.
I would say a village around Sittingbourne.
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I am going to guess and say, Bapchild. The school has been altered but fits the proximity to the church.
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Well done DaveTheTrain, it is indeed Bapchild with the view looking south along School Lane.
The view is still possible with the village school to the left and church towards the end on the right. However, additional housing on either sides of the road with mature trees (not the ones in the picture) in their gardens largely obscures this idyllic rural scene. Maybe the two 'Rag-a-muffins' should have been at school, or are they the village security :)
Over to you DTT
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Thanks CAT,
It is funny but all those old pictures always seem to have a couple of kids centre frame dressed the same way.
Anyway, I reckon we are all far too good at this, so I have hopefully put up a teaser. No clues yet.
The street is still there. The scene is slightly changed in that the wall on the LHS has gone but the very important building behind it remains... although for how much longer depends on... I shall stop there.
EDIT: This picture is sourced from
http://wyebusiness.org.uk/history/ (http://wyebusiness.org.uk/history/)
They permit reuse as long as the source is credited.
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Lower Stone St Maidstone?
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A `long shot` - reminiscent of Milton Regis?
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Looking northwest along Swan Street, West Malling?
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No correct answers, thus far. And all far too Northerly and Westerly.
This large village is noted for its charm, and antiquity. It is much less busy than it was since a very significant entity moved out of the centre of the village. Those buildings are very ancient.
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Cranbrook?
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Is it the hill climbing up to the cross roads at Hawkhurst?
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You are both about twenty miles too westerly. as the crow flies. This place has a river.
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High Street, Wye. Building behind the lost wall is the former Wye agricultural College?
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High Street, Wye. Building behind the lost wall is the former Wye agricultural College?
Spot on, CAT. As you describe looking towards Scotton Street.
Did you recognise it, or have to find it?
Over to you.
Dave
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Many thanks DaveTheTrain.
A bit of both as it's along another frequent route I take between Canterbury and Ashford avoiding the main roads.
My next is clearly a distinctive windmill, so I'm not assuming it will last long, but where was it?
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High Halden?
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Just as I thought, not too difficult as windmill research is a popular past time.
It is indeed High Halden Pete
Assumed to have been built c.1800, it was worked until c.1913, largely demolished c.1933 leaving its roundhouse only to be swept away completely in 1973 presumably for the present housing development, surprisingly called 'Millfield'!
Over to you Pete
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Another pub, want the name and the name of it's twin. What was significant about their opening date?
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Thats "The Duke without a Head" at Wateringbury.
I must admit I only recognised because I stopped there on the way home when I bought my first Motorbike in 1957.
I had to research for the answer Pete wanted, hope this will suffice.
1.Its twin is "The Startled Saint" at West Malling .
2. Opened December 1940. Frequented by BoB Pilots.
3. The Duke without a Head acquired its name in Dec 1940 when the licence was transferred from the original "Dukes Head."
4. Both pubs have been demolished for Housing.
5 .The Dukes Head was converted to a House and is still standing.
Thanks very interesting kept me busy for an hour or so :)
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Thanks grandarog, very interesting. Sad to hear of these old pubs with history being demolished but I suppose it's just a "sign of the times". When I was at RAFHalton, the father of a chap in our room, Bill Mercer, was the landlord of a pub in Mereworth & the brewery issued a complete set of all their pubs on small ( about 3"x 2" ) metal plates. "The Startled Saint" from W.Malling was quite something.
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They were the old Whitbread Pub Sign cards very collectable now.
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Well done grandarog. According to the old dear (Annie?) who opened & ran the Startled Saint it was opened on September the 2nd or 3rd ie start of WW2. The wording of the licece transfer read on the lines of" The Dukes head shall be removed" hence the name. Another curiosity was that both had upstairs ie first floor cellars and the beer was gravity fed to dummy casks at the back of the bar. Another bit of trivia, Annie (sure that was her name) was sister or sister in law of the guy who ran the Rising Sun in East Malling. He was attacked by a billy goat and died of injuries probably early 1980s. He was in the same ward at Preston Hall as my father
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Thanks grandarog, very interesting. Sad to hear of these old pubs with history being demolished but I suppose it's just a "sign of the times". When I was at RAFHalton, the father of a chap in our room, Bill Mercer, was the landlord of a pub in Mereworth & the brewery issued a complete set of all their pubs on small ( about 3"x 2" ) metal plates. "The Startled Saint" from W.Malling was quite something.
Dave, there were several sets issued, originals in tinplate then later on plastic, last set was a repro set issued 1980 ish
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and there is a card for the Startled Saint for sale on ebay now.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-WHITBREAD-INN-SIGN-THE-STARTLED-SAINT-FROM-1958-SPECIAL-ISSUE-MINT-COND/174322481151?hash=item28966df7ff:g:-9MAAOSwO1de7Q87 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-WHITBREAD-INN-SIGN-THE-STARTLED-SAINT-FROM-1958-SPECIAL-ISSUE-MINT-COND/174322481151?hash=item28966df7ff:g:-9MAAOSwO1de7Q87)
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Thank you Pete, I said the cards were collectable DTT.
Lets see how long this one takes . Where would you find these Scales.
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Bluewater?
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Good Guess Stewie but No about 20 miles out.
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Maidstone?
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Is that Masonic iconography?
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Don't think a Masonic connection.
I should say more like Greecoroman arty stuff, Mid Kent area
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Art Deco building (1920-30's)? Is it a representation of commerce with the outstretched arm of a man holding levelled balance scales? Frequently seen on banks or commercial buildings
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Are they Jeweller`s or Pawnbroker`s scales ?
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Maidstone ?
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Right Town JW now find where. :)
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County Hall ?
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Nope.
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Royal Star Hotel (as was) so now Star arcade, Star House?
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Sorry Pete,not there either.
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Diaperson, I dont think so, They appear to weigh something very heavy in a small bag.
Sorry Cat only just noted your post. Yes they are of that ilk.
So is a clue .
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is it a on a monument rather than a building?
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It is one of several sculpted images on a building.
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Chequers Shopping Center
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I am surprised this is lasting . Not the Chequers.
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Courthouse on the old Market siteLockmeadow IIRC
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Not Cheguers - could be on Maidstone prison - behind County Hall.
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Keep trying , think what would be heavy in a small Bag or Pouch.
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Above the door of Bar 6 in Bank Street ? Not sure what the building was originally but it has a Barclays Bank Motif on the other side of the building. It looks like an ex-bank.
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You have it JW. It's one of the plaques on the old Barclays Bank Middle Row. . This one is on Bank Street side.
Although the building only dates from 1960 it is listed.
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1393971 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1393971)
Over to You for the next.
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Thanks Grandarog,
That one took some finding. I was expecting an older building so kept my searches in that direstion at first. Then I thought Bank Street a possibility. Even then I didn't give that building a lot of attention at first. A good GTP.
Next one .... Kent Downs.
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St. Leonard`s, Badlesmere?
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Well done Diapason - that was quick :)
Over to you ...
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Thanks John, I think this one will `go` equally as quick.
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I thought you would be first on this one, Granderog!
It`s still called "Trotts Hall". You may be able to decipher the nameplate on the right hand side of the front entrance. I`ve no idea who owns it now. I believe it was once used by Radio Rentals when it was in Bell Road
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Thanks , I think its the son James of old man Rex Boucher, who had the house moved, that lives there still. I didn't know it was still called Trotts Hall.
Lets try another ,see if this lasts a while..
Where did I cycle past this Gate Post with its twin in my distant youth.I never rode more than 11 or 12 miles from Sittingbourne.
( No it wasn't on a pennyfarthing).
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Lees Court, Sheldwich ?
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No go NNW ish. Was demolished in the 1960's.
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Syndale Park Faverham - was there a large house there previously ?
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There is a big house now a hotel gym complex .But not There.
Getting closer ,Keep going. :)
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A bit of a wild guess: Ufton Manor House or Woodstock Manor House, Sittingbourne?
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No go back towards JW's last guess.
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Norton Place ?
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No .you are getting close.
Time for a clue .
In the gardens behind the gate, stands the house which was was new in the 1600,s.
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No .you are getting close.
Time for a clue .
In the gardens behind the gate, stands the house which was was new in the 1600,s.
Are you saying that the house and gardens still exist? :)
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Sorry JW, JGrammatical error should have said Stood not stands. .As on previous post the House ,gates and gardens are long gone .Demolished in 1960's.
Appologies for misleading . Another clue between A2. and theRailway Lines.
Google Earth wont help much.
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Lynsted Lodge/Park?
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Norton Place?
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No Not those. Was a good place to pick cherries in orchard next door' :) That's gone now as well.
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Newgardens, Teynham?
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Well done Diapason.
I expect you trespassed in the grounds and the old Derelict House as a kid same as us. Still Pictures on walls and Swords ,Shields etc plus some furniture. There was a problem with the family when the old Lady Honeyball died and it was abandoned. There is a lot of history attached to it .
For interest of Members there is a lot about it on
http://teynham.org/index.htm (http://teynham.org/index.htm)
Your Turn .
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That was a good one. I was so close but I don't think I would have got it.
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The clues put me on the right track for that one Granderog, as I`m not too familiar with the area.
Here`s one that won`t take a lot of finding, especially for John Walker.
The usual arrangement of the `big` house, farm and church.
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Dayton Road, Fisher Street. In fact, right next to the Church that JW guessed correctly just last week.
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That`s correct, DaveTheTrain, Badlesmere Court.
I also remembered that JohnWalker guessed Badlesmere Church last week so I expected him to guess this one.
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Thanks Diapson, I live not that far from here, and know the farm and the family that farm it.
We took the steam engine up the road last year...
anyway, where is this?
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I didn't get a chance on the last one. Popped out to get a bit of shopping and it was done and dusted when I got back ;D ;D ;D
DTT - is that a church yard at the top of the hill ?
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Tun Wlls, looking from the Old High St onto the common
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I didn't get a chance on the last one. Popped out to get a bit of shopping and it was done and dusted when I got back ;D ;D ;D
DTT - is that a church yard at the top of the hill ?
I had wondered where you were, John. You beat me to it on the church at Dayton Road so I had to act quick. ;D
You are not quite right, but close, on the Left hand side of the photo would have been an Abbey. I don't believe the RHS building was connected to the Abbey.
As always with my posts I have a local connection, and this time I can claim to have delivered newspapers (as a 14 year old (yikes 40 years ago)) up this very road. It does not look much different today.
Pete - no, not T.Wells. Too far West.
DTT
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Wild guess - it has the feel of Hollingbourne but I can't actually place the photo.
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Not Hollingbourne, you are quite a distance from here. I shall put up a clue tomorrow morning but you need to be much further East.
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Okay, time for a clue, or two.
As JW asked, there was an Abbey at the top of this road on the left. The area is coastal and has had many significant visitors over history.
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Not precisely coastal, although not far away, but it does remind me of Minster, Thanet. The abbey being to the left at the top of the slope.
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You are not so far away, Diapson. I used to cycle from home (where this is (nearly)) to Minster, and walked it on several occasions as a teenager.
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I'll take a stab at Westgate on sea, abbey being St Augustines?
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Too far North, Pete. Although I see what you mean. I could walk from Minster to home and it would take me around one hour, I would pass a Lavendar farm, and an important cross that commemorated the landing of an important man and marks the spot of a meeting.
To be clear on the Abbey, this was one of a number of buildings in the town related to the Abbey. There was a Convent next door which formed the greater part of the complex.
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Pegwell Village. the Belle View pub would be on the right ?
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You`ve just beaten me to it, JW. I`ve just found a Francis Frith photo which is nearly identical.
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Well done JW. Bad luck, Diapson.
The scene is not much changed. If you look on Streetview, the Belle Vue pub is still the same. The building nearest the camera on the LHS has been demolished. It is a shame but the two next properties look in poor repair on Streetview.
I lived in Downs Road which is parallel to this scene. There was an RC convent, now all houses. The Abbey Gate was connected with the Abbey in the main town.
I recommend the Belle Vue, we had a wake here a few years back and it was a very nice pub.
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Thanks DTT - I should have recognised it earlier - I've been there many times over the years. I agree with you about the Belle View being well worth a visit. Particularly on a sunny day outside with the view over Pegwell Bay. My Mum was billeted at the Pegwell Bay Hotel in WW2. She was in the ATS and was at the AA gun position at the end of Manston runway. Just down from Ozengal Farm. I haven't been able to find out very much about it but still searching. Her Dad was stationed at Manston and the family lived in Picton Road, Ramsgate.
Sorry I beat you to it Diapason :(
Next one ... No clues to start with.
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My Mum was billeted at the Pegwell Bay Hotel in WW2. she was in the ATS and was at the AA gun at the end of Manston runway. Just down from Ozengal Farm. I haven't been able to find out very much about it but still searching. Her Dad was stationed at Manston and the family lived in Picton Road, Ramsagte.
That must have been a dangerous place to be billeted. The family from Downs Road was evacuated to Utoexeter. Ramsgate as you know really took it from the Germans.
DTT
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The buildings look like the ones I see from the railway in Rochester, around the former Dousts shipyard.
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Too far north west (ish) DTT. :)
Going back to Ramsgate. My Grandad thought it was too dangerous for the family to stay in Ramsgate as it was so near to Manston so he moved them to Canterbury!!! An HE bomb landed a few hundred yards from the font of the house. The front door ended up in the back scullery and the roof was wrecked. Fortunately they had gone over to the communal shelter that night. They were moved to the countryside near Faygate, Sussex. My Grandfather, Flight Sargent James Baxter Roger had been posted to RAF Faygate, West Sussex. The centre for crashed aircraft recovery.
Number 49 Maintenance Unit operated at RAF Faygate from 3 November 1940 until 13 February 1946. Prior to the former date it was No. 1 Salvage Centre and on the latter date it relocated to Lasham. Between these dates it processed, it is said, the lion's share of the Allied and German aircraft that crashed in south east England.
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On the edge of a large town. Close to a river, a railway line and a busy 'A' Road.
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I still think I have seen them from the railway line. Sittingbourne, next to the A2?
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I'll go along with that DTT, used to be the apple box factory I think
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I've had a look at various sheds near the railway at Sittingbourne and I agree they are very similar. However, it's not Sittingbourne. Too far to the north west.
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These sheds are very long.
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Old Ashford Railway works?
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Very close Pete ;) But no cigar yet ...
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Can be seen on Google Street View.
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Hitachi works
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Hitachi works Chart Leacon Bombardier works
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I reckon Pete, foundthem.
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That's the place Pete. Can be seen from Leacon Road.
Over to you ...
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Looks very second-rate compared to the streamlined and very tidy Hitachi works.
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Dead pub, at the end of a lane, in those days almost a farm yard inside & out!
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The Yew Tree at Wichling/Wychling?
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Head NW ;D
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Iwade ?
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got a river & a canal fairly close
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We must be in Strood or Higham area, Pete?
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Queenborough?
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DTT- getting very close
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Sun Farm, Church Street. I've been following twin lines of pylons all afternoon as I could see a pair in the back of the photo.
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Well done, I wondered if the pylons might give it away It was the Sun (some say Rising Sun) Lower Higham. Sold last year for around 400K + 100k for the yard + outbuildings All yours
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The pylons helped but as I found out, there's a lot of dead end lanes near twin pylons ;D ;D
Next one. Also next to a railway line and station
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Are they some of the semi-derelict buildings at Snowdown Colliery?
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You have it CAT - that was quick :D
Over to you ...
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Many thanks JohnWalker.
It's one of those views I remember from another rural trip.
Here is my next, bit of a long shot (literally), but where is this newly constructed 'town'?
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New Ash Green?
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New Barn / Hartley estates ? Edit: Not sure looking at Google on where the districts start/finish. I'm thinking the houses in Caxton Close.
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Sorry for the delay. Sick goose at home occupying date and night time.
Sadly, it's neither of those suggested by Pete or John Walker.
In its original design it was regarded as a totally new town, but both world wars, and commercial considerations, put a stop to its expansion until only a few yeas ago.
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Longfield ?
Hope goose is ok.
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Many thanks for goose wishes John Walker, still touch and go.
All the guesses are all in the wrong half of the county.
This 'new town' was going to be the centre of two major national industries before it's untimely demise.
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South Willesborough
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When the answer finally comes up CAT - please put me out of my misery and name the road the houses are in beyond the railway line. I can't find a matching road in any of the locations so far. ;D
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I am going to guess that it is New town, Ashford.
DTT
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Newtown Green., taken just behind Ashford Retail Outlet.
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The nearest I can find is Burgess Avenue, Aylesham but the same viewpoint can't be found on Google?
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I'm more than happy to let you have it John Walker as the exact same view cannot be seen today due to over grown hedges and trees etc. It is indeed Aylesham, which during its initial concept in the early 1920's was to be a 'new Kent town' for the miners of the Kent coal industry. Based in plan around the winding lift crane of a pit head (see Google Earth pre new development), it was also going to be the centre of a major steel industry also. Originally planned to collectively employ many tens of thousands, only the coal industry continued successfully until its closure thirty years ago. Today the second phase of planned growth is well underway extending it to a planned 'hedge' boundary that was planted when the land was first purchased. The name Aylesham itself came from Aylesham Farm, the majority of which the land came from.
Over to you John Walker and not to much kicking yourself.
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Thanks CAT. That one really threw me as in your photo, it looks like the railway line is parallel to the the row of houses. I was searching for this layout but in actual fact the line and road are at an angle to each other.
Very interesting info on Aylesham. I didn't know any of that. I used to visit Aylesham in the 60s, on my Royal Enfield and there was a big motorcycle club there. I seem to recall they called it the 59 club? In those days it was pre-closure of the Kent Coalfield and there was a tremendous community spirit there. Upset one resident and you upset the whole of Aylesham. The Ratling Club was just on the outskirts and put on weekend entertainment. In the 70s, I had many bookings there with my mobile disco.
It's laid out like a mini garden-city and now with modern shops, large medical centre. The current expansion is amazing. I hadn't realised about all that. Next time I have a car for a day, I plan to detour and have a look.
Next one ...
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Tunbridge Wells, Mount Pleasant Rd now Cotswold Camping
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That was quick Pete :) - I thought it might not last long.
Over to you ...
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Only plae I could think of in Kent, similar in Chichester which is now a McDonalds
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Does this place still exist ?
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I don't think its still standing. Big old Mansion over near Stansted in a big park.
.Cant remember what it was called.
If some one knows I will concede the win to them. :)
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JW no, Grandarog, location about right but what was it called?
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Thriftwood ?
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No idea what its called ,That,s why I offered it out. :)
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Trosley Towers near Wrotham ?
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That be it, demolished 1936 with a view to rebuilding, never happened due to the war
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I'd never heard of it before - impressive looking property. I image the views from it were outstanding as it was on the edge of the escarpment.
Next one ... Where is this and what is/was it's function?
(There is a name over the door and a name plaque between the left hand windows which I've 'cloned' out)
East Kent
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On a large housing development and near a railway line.
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Canterbury area?
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it has the distinct style of a telephone exchange.
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Shoot999 It's within 10 miles of Canterbury.
DTT - I can't find anything to say it has been a telephone exchange but it might have been. It has a different use currently. A place where decisions are made.
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Very cunning Mr Walker :)
I'll hold back for a short while.
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Very cunning Mr Walker :)
I'll hold back for a short while.
;)
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Is this a cryptic clue, John? I have picked up "clone"; "decision" and it is ten miles from c'bury.
DTT
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Not intended as a cryptic clue DTT. It's a straight clue.
Very close to at least two earlier GTPs.
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A once prosperous area went into decline but is now on the up.
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Herne Bay?
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Not Herne Bay Pete - Head SSE - Find the village and then the building.
On a large housing development and near a railway line
Shoot999 It's within 10 miles of Canterbury. DTT - I can't find anything to say it has been a telephone exchange but it might have been. It has a different use currently. A place where decisions are made.
Very cunning Mr Walker
A once prosperous area went into decline but is now on the up
Very close to at least two earlier GTPs.
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I am believe its Womaswold, Aylesham. But still to find it.
Dave
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DTT - You are correct with Aylesham. The current purpose of the building took me a while to find.
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found it, Ayelsham Parish Council Office. I would guess that it was a mine office at some point in the past. I had to look for a flat roof building on the KLIS map.
DTT
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Well done DTT - spot on. As CAt has reported, Aylesham is expanding at an amazing rate. It will be more than a village soon and I guess be classed as a small town.
For other searchers, it's at the start of Milner Avenue.
Over to you DTT.
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Thanks Jw. here is my next one.
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Shepherdswell?
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not shepherdswell InvictaAlec
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Looks like narrow gauge - so perhaps one of three that I'm aware of. I don't think it's RH&D. There's one hidden in woods which I can't recall the name of, so I'll go for the other one I do know.
The Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway
I've not been to this one yet but hope to visit in 2021.
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well done, John. Ii is BWLR on hollingbourne Hll.
Over, r rather back to you.
Dave
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Thanks DTT . Just looked it up and it's closed for the rest of this season. Such a shame.
Next one... where is this large property and what is it's history?
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rear view of Squerryes Court?
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well done, John. Ii is BWLR on hollingbourne Hll.
Over, r rather back to you.
Dave
A few miles from Holllingbourne Hill, DTT.
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Not Squerryes Court Pete. You need to head east quite a way :)
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As far east as Sandwich Bay?
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CAT - Not quite as far east as Sandwich Bay
Can be seen on GSV - fairly close to a busy 'A' Road.
I believe it was built around 1936
Has been on TV
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The Roman Galley Pub, Herne Bay. As featured in Only Fools and Horses, Jolly Boys Outing episode.
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That shut about 15 years ago ,its now luxury flats.
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That's the place Shoot999. I still think of it as the Roman Galley when I pass it.
I used to run my mobile disco there some weekends in the 70s for the coach runs to Margate etc.
Over to you ....
Jolly Boys Outing arriving at the Roman Galley.
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Standard design Whitbread "Road House" on the A roads out of London as coach stops , Royal OakWrotham was another similar one
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Thank you John Walker.
Sorry about the quality of this one, but still easily recognisable if you know it.
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Quick guess - Dover?
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Bottom of Star Hill, Rochester?
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Diapason is in the right area, but not Star Hill.
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Diapason is in the right area, but not Star Hill.
Are you being pedantic in that it is the High St not Star Hill proper? ;)
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Diapason is in the right area, but not Star Hill.
Are you being pedantic in that it is the High St not Star Hill proper? ;)
No. If it was 'just in the High Street' it would show 'Andys Snacks'. And that's more recognisable than the Castle and Cathedral! Although in this case the building and those around it are long gone.
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Russels in Medway Street?
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Russels in Medway Street?
Getting closer. In shouting distance
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Corner of Medway St & Military Rd, later building becamev Medway Indian Social Club
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Corner of Medway St & Military Rd, later building becamev Medway Indian Social Club
No, but you could see it from there (if it hadn't been knocked down). Not corner of Medway St and Military Road. So try Military Road and xxxxx
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Military Rd & Brook Coopers Jewellers
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Thats it Pete. Not the normal viewpoint. Over to you
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Ok try this either 2 minutes or 2 days ;D
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Quick stab - Cobham Hall School ?
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no sir but school yes
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Tonbridge Private School.
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It is-all yours
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Thanks Pete. Looks out of place , must have been there long before the High Street was built up.
Try this one . Up towards London .
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Looks like a lot of the schools around the Dartford area, Grandarog. Close?
DTT
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Pretty close ,Has had a name change since I took the photo some years ago circa 2007.
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The buliding looks like it is a KCC supported/funded enterprise like a school or nursery. Would that be right?
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That,s correct .You just need to find where it is now :)
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Swanscombe?
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Bromley
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Nearer to Dartford. DTT was nearly there,Was a school once .
Clue:- Has lots of respectful memories recorded.
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Brent school?
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Getting closer Pete head S/W a bit.
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Hawley?
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Sorry not Hawley,Bromley, Swanscombe or Brent.
The building is on a High Street visible on Street view.The board is partly hidden by greenery.
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Swanley?
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Willington High Road?
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Lutonman. Assuming a typo you have the road now find the place.
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It says high road on the map and it's next door to building with memorials on the outside. Can't see what the building is or was. But try Barn End Centre
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I'm not claiming this GTP as Lutonman has the right place etc.
Out of interest, it's had a number of name changes over recent years.
2008/9 Barn End Centre
2012 North West Kent Behaviour Centre
2018 Rosemary Centre.
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Thanks JW. Well done Lutonman ,your turn :) .
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Thank you JW and grandarog.
Hopefully a well known place.
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Pantiles, T.Wells?
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Hever Castle
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Not the Pantiles or Hever but in the right area of the County
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Knole Park ?
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Not the actual park John Walker
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A terrace at Knole House.
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Well Done grandarog, its the terrace entrance at Knowle House in Knowle Park. Sorry JW nearly there. Over to you grandarog.
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Thanks Lutonman.
Thanks and Sorry JW if you hadn't put Knole Park I would never have got it.
I knew I had seen it but couldn't remember where .
Visited so many heritage sites over the years they have blurred into each other.
Lets see how long this one lasts.
To coin a phrase ..Where did I meet this old Boiler. :)
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No worry about my wrong guess Lutonman and Grandadrog. I've learnt something there as I always thought the house was called Knole Park. :)
Just a guess - Brook Pumping Station ?
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Good Guess ,but No. further East.
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Sittingbourne & Kemsley light railway?
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Boom Boom , Well done.Back to you Pete. :)
For info .One of the best trips out for Adults and Kids ,very good value for money.Nice cafe and picnic area at Kemsley Down end.
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Another alcoholic one, not trading as a pub now and the building somewhat altered. A real dive in its time and a place to get paint stripper grade scrumpy (and other things :o )
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Tonbridge ?
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No but another large town ;D
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Chatham?
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Folkstone
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still had 2 barracks in the 1960s/70s
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Maidstone ?
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yes, big town so where's the pub?
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Paper Makers Arms, Stone Street?
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no try Westborough
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I was going to say Papermakers Arms like Diapason
How about The Fant Arms, Upper Fant Road ?
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Railway Bell, Maidstone.
http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Railway-Bell-Maidstone.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Railway-Bell-Maidstone.html)
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Grandarog has got it, still standing but quite substantial changes to frontage, now offices.
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Thanks Pete. Had to trawl through a few websites to find that one. There is a "now" photo of the pub on the link I posted.
Give me a while and I will put up another guess. Then I am going to take a break for a couple of weeks hopefully get some others into the guessing game. :)
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Here we go .Where did I take this photo some years ago.
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Beltring Hop Farm?
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Good Guess ,No.
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Sellinge Steam Rally?
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SorryPete No.
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Rochester Castle ground.
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No,not Rochester.
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Kent Showground, Detling ?
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Well Done John Walker. At the County Show July 2009.
http://www.hortonssteamfair.co.uk/carousel-hire.html (http://www.hortonssteamfair.co.uk/carousel-hire.html)
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Many thanks Grandarog,
It was the only other place I could think of.
Next one. What's the name of this village ? No clues - yet. Clues might not be needed
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Was on the crossroads of an 'A' road and 'B' road. The 'A' road is now a Bypass.
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Close to a roadside memorial.
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Canal not far away.
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Railway Line and a National Nature Reserve both within 1/2 a kilometre from this view.
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lets get things moving.
East or west Kent?
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The A road thats now a bypass. Would that be part of the old A2?
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Old School Ham Street
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Well done Pete. I didn't add too many clues to start with as I thought it would go quickly.
The memorial close by is the Johnson Memorial. The following short account of this tragedy is worth a read.
http://www.kentfallen.com/PDF%20REPORTS/HAMSTREET%20JOHNSON%20MEMORIAL.pdf (http://www.kentfallen.com/PDF%20REPORTS/HAMSTREET%20JOHNSON%20MEMORIAL.pdf)
Over to you
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A cropped postcard c1920
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Maidstone ?
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No
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That looks like Sandwich.
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Go west young man! You might say it has a heavenly shopping centre
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Is it Canterbury?
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The Green Kitchen Tonbridge?
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All yours! Castle Hotel Tonbridge.
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John W. Just read your report re 1st. Lt. Johnson & his sacrifice. Very interesting but very sad. One of thousands who, so far from home, gave their lives so that the rest of us might live in peace, thanks.
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Thanks Dave Smith - worthy of that memorial.
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Thanks Pete the Angels clue helped
Here we go again another place to visit but where?
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The Salutation, Sandwich?
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Too far East Diapason
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National Trust?
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No not National Trust but operates in the same style.
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Things are a bit slow, time for a clue? GO west of the county its a big Place
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Groombridge Place ? If it is, I've not seen that view before. :)
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Knole House?
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Groombridge Place?
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John Walker your first yes Groombridge Place well done
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Thank you Lutonman - must pay a visit next year.
Next one ...
Where is this?
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John Walker You must try harder as they used to say in school. :)
That's Bill Woodrows , Eskimo and seal Sculpture at Folkestone.
(I have just Googled to find out more about it ) apparently it is called "The Ledge" and it is white Painted Steel.
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You've been reading my school report Grandarog :D ;D :D
Over to you
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Thankyou ,John Walker. I think that was a standard phrase on all our school reports.No matter how hard we tried they always wanted more.
Lets try this one and hope we get some more of the forum members to start guessing.This one gives plenty of scope for guesses. No clues yet.
Where did I take this photo in 2014. :)
As a bonus what is it and what used for.
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Brook agricultural Museum, Potato earthing up plough
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Thats the bonus out of the way .correct its a spud ridger :) .
Not Brook, Pete.
Now just need the place.
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hop farm at Beltring
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Nope.
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Museum of Kent life, Maidstone?
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Not There CAT. Think more centreish of the Downs.
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Brattle Farm Museum ?
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Not heard of that one ,but not there.
I had lunch at the Halfway House if that is any help as a clue.
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Cranbrook Museum ?
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No you need to go N/E about 25 miles.
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Belmont House ?
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Getting closer you are about 6 miles northish of target when at Belmont House
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Beech Court ?
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Thanks Grandarog
I must admit that I did think Beech Court at one point but then thought it looked a bit too untidy for there. The last time I went there was many years ago when it only opened for the NGS days. I don't think they even had a tea room then. I do recall a superb collection of Acers though. I guess they are quite mature now.
Next one ...
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White Mill at Headcorn.??
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Not Headcorn Grandarog - head north east ...
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Chislet?
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Not Chislet Pete.
It is East Kent though and on the outskirts of a town.
Most of the buildings still remain with the possible exception of the large building next to the windmill. The meadows on the left have been built on.
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Ash near Sandwich?
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Not Ash CAT Too far south east.
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Sarre?
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Herne Mill?
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Kennington?
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Now Members members hear my plea
Those initials - are ok for you and me
Visitors and people - now from afar
Wonder - - what these initials are
So if you are using initials - spell it out
Only then to them - there is no doult
Use the initial - we know what they are
But others - dont know that - from afar
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None correct so far. About 1km from the sea.
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Tankerton?
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Whitstable
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Whitstable it is - but where Pete.?
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Its on Borstal Hill as you climb out of Whitstable towards the Thanet Way, near to the Fire Station, (see also attached street view image). But only because Pete suggetsed Whitstable so happy for him to claim it.
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Borstal Hill it is. That's good of you Stewie. If you have a photo ready Pete then go ahead but if not then you go Stewie.
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Mrs Stewie and me like to visit Whitstable and walk along the front and I remember the windmill on the way out! So the game does not stall, If Pete has not posted by 4PM this afternoon, I shall put one up.
Stewie
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Thanks Stewie, photo I found just said Whitstable
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Is it a restaurant? (large extractor on left hand side)
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It is now but not it's original use, part of it still serves the original purpose
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Is it the Melad Tandoori Indian Takeaway at 174 Station Road Aylesford?
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It is, but what was (and in parts still) the building?
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Aylesford railway station is on the Medway Valley Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medway_Valley_Line) in Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent), England, serving the village of Aylesford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesford). It is 38 miles 74 chains (62.6 km) down the line from London Charing Cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charing_Cross_railway_station) via Strood (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strood_railway_station) and is situated between New Hythe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hythe_railway_station) and Maidstone Barracks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidstone_Barracks_railway_station). The station opened on 18 June 1856.[/size][/font]
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That'll do nicely Stewie. Think the Indian looks to be closed down but was very good in its time
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Thanks Pete, I thought I recognised the architectural style which is common in Aylesford. I don't usually have much but try this offering taken on one of Mrs Stewie and my walks recently. I was playing with the camera settings on my phone!
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10 Ton Slip. St Marys Island.
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Jolly well done Shoot999. We have been taking regular walks around St Marys Island during the current conditions. Out of interest, would you happen to know anything about the slip?
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Jolly well done Shoot999. We have been taking regular walks around St Marys Island during the current conditions. Out of interest, would you happen to know anything about the slip?
Not a great deal. I was on the tugs in the 60s and during lunch and quiet periods us younger seaman and cabin boys would congregate around the slip. It was used in those days for refitting and repairing barges that there was no urgency for. Pretty much a a back water as far as the Dockyard was concerned. One of the tug engineers always said he would hire it if the Dockyard ever closed as there was plenty of work for a slip that size. I had left the Dockyard by that time, but I understand he did hire it and ran it as a going concern for a number of years after.
Next one which hopefully won't be difficult. And for a bonus point anyone remember who ran the business premises on the right in the 60s?
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Rochester High Street. Star Hill end?
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Rochester High Street. Star Hill end?
Spot on Stewie, Thought that distinctive entrance would give it away. Haven't been that way for over 40 years so had a quick check on GSV and not much as changed. The building on the right was Charles Waldrons secondhand shop. Bought my first guitar there in the early 60s. Over to you.
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Its the right hand side unit of the palatial looking white building opposite the old Post Office in Rochester High Street just along from the junction with bottom of Star Hill. I think the building is now a restaurant of some sort possibly an Indian. I have no idea what the right hand side unit was used for in the 60's I was too young!
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Thanks Shoot999, we seemed to overlap a bit there! I an afraid that I don't have much to test your skills so here is a picture taken on another of our walks in the country.
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I haven't a clue where this one is but it looks quite splendid. I look forward to the answer.
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Once a railway station - I have no doubt
Here there maybe it`s somewhere about
That`s my lot - I realy havent got a clue
So I will leave it my friends to you & you !
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You do surprise me John Walker, the wily old hunter of GTP! :) OK to start the chase, its in west Kent.
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Is it one of the Mansions in Gunnersbury Park? If it is I thought that was London.
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Sorry granderog, I know Geography was not my strong suit but is is definitely in Kent!
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OK, this rather grand looking house was built in the 18th century, replacing an earlier one on the same site.
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Yes - there is a photo of this building in a write up on mansions in Gunnersbury Park London. I presume it's what you found as well Grandarog.- someone's cocked up.
Anyway - after a long search I've found it. In Moat Park, Maidstone. Audley Mote House. It looks like it's a rather upmarket retirement home now?
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Well done John Walker it is indeed Mote House, we passed it on a circular walk around the extensive park here one Sunday morning in July. It is now an 'upmarket' retirement home together with its associated outbuildings including a good example of an old stable block. The prices for accommodation here are slightly out of my league though!
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Thank you Stewie, I've only been to the town end of Moat Park. I would guess those apartments are well outside my league too.
Next one ...
Has a bit of 70s history to it.
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A bit out of the way but on GSV.
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It's isolation is key to the fame that followed.
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About 1km from a creek. (along a track/lane)
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Something to do with the g1916 gunpowder explosion in Faversham?
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It looks like the firework sheds at Astra Fireworks, Richborough.
post update: I have looked on google earth and the place has changed out of all recognition, with the fireworks factory long gone.
DTT
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Sorry ,nothing to do with "guess the place" looking to all you ex dockyard Mates now,seeking information on x craft submarine allegedly built during ww 2,some where in the yard?apparently constructed under great security,there is no official information at all in the current records,in fact according to one source it may never have existed?
My own information came from an inspector of shipwrights ,he said that he had worked on it as an aprentis,I believe the gent to be honest no notorious "mess room"wined up merchent.😎It's definantly not on any official lists of Chatham built boats (see Bilgrats list) my interest comes from something I heard on the radio recently,a gent talking about his fathers war time occupation,involving special batteries being made for a "midget"submarine "being built in a naval dockyard.
Just thought it would be interesting to follow,maybe unearth a little bit of chat hams secret history
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Sorry ,nothing to do with "guess the place" looking to all you ex dockyard Mates now,seeking information on x craft submarine allegedly built during ww 2,some where in the yard?apparently constructed under great security,there is no official information at all in the current records,in fact according to one source it may never have existed?
My own information came from an inspector of shipwrights ,he said that he had worked on it as an aprentis,I believe the gent to be honest no notorious "mess room"wined up merchent.😎It's definantly not on any official lists of Chatham built boats (see Bilgrats list) my interest comes from something I heard on the radio recently,a gent talking about his fathers war time occupation,involving special batteries being made for a "midget"submarine "being built in a naval dockyard.
Just thought it would be interesting to follow,maybe unearth a little bit of chat hams secret history
Hi Colin, Sounds interesting but why not start a new thread? I'm sure there's a dedicated section for that subject in general.
Just checked - there are eight sub sections under Maritime History - you could generate a lot of interest in one of those. Good luck.
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Back to GTP.
Nothing to do with Astra DTT as you say - it's all gone now.
Nothing to do with the gunpowder explosion Stewie but you are getting closer with the location.
Further Clue: Music
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A recording studio or rehearsal rooms?
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Yes, Shoot999. somewhere bands use for loud practice due to it being very remote. Not officially a rehearsal room - it has another main use for the local area. Hiring it out for rehearsals is a nice little earner for the upkeep.
One band that used it in the 70s went on to be very successful. Quite a number of albums.
ME13.
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The band also live next to a golf course at one time. Currently still big in Japan. They have a UK tour booked for the rest of 2020 - Covid allowing of course.
Nothing to do with this GTP location though - however, if you guess the band then a Google search will tell you where they rehearsed in the 'early' days.
It's along a road that heads toward acres of polytunnels, a creek and also the sea. ME13. Next to fields and about 1/4 mile from nearest village. The turning is between a church and a pub on a road that goes between two towns. Railway line 1/4 mile away.
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Is the creek Oare? Oare Village Hall
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Correct with village hall Pete. Wrong side of Oare and Faversham Creeks - that should narrow it down :)
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In that case it must be Graveney. my maternal Dixon ancestors home village.
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That's the place Grandarog - well done.
Many Kent bands have used Graveney Village Hall for rehearsals. In the 70s/80s I was often there taking promo photos and advising on PA gear (I had a music shop).
As far as I know the most famous bands that rehearsed there were Wilde Flowers, Soft Machine and Caravan. All part of the 'Canterbury Sound'. Caravan were regulars in my shop. The drummer, the late Richard Coughlan lived on the same estate as me and we went to primary school together. We were good mates until the last day of Primary school. We fell out over something trivial and ended up having a fight. Both walked into school on our last day covered in blood and were sent home. We went on to different secondary schools and lost touch for many years. Richard had two pubs. One in Ashford and more recently, The Cricketers in Canterbury. Richard had been unwell for some time and sadly passed in 2014. Geoff Richardson, the electric viola player and I spent many hours in the early days of home computers, learning BASIC programming. We had Commodore Pet computers then.
Hastings, Coughlan and the Sinclairs formed Caravan Mk I in 1968, landing a deal with MGM’s Verve Forecast imprint after Island’s Chris Blackwell turned them down. Already penniless they wrote songs while living in tents pitched outside Graveney Village Hall.
https://nostalgiacentral.com/music/artists-a-to-k/artists-c/caravan/ (https://nostalgiacentral.com/music/artists-a-to-k/artists-c/caravan/)
Over to you Grandarog
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Thankyou JW
Where did I take this of a magnificent Time Piece.
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Trying to narrow it down. Is it in a house/gardens to visit?
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Not a house or garden .can be visited by arrangement. Swale area.
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Church?
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Town hall?
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Lynsted Church ?
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Yes a church clock ,but not Lynsted.
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St Michaels Church, Sittingbourne ?
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Getting nearer keep going.
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St. Mary`s Upchurch?
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Well Done Diapason, Local Knowledge goes a long way :) :)
Your Turn.
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It should have been local knowledge, but it wasn`t - although I was in the church a few months ago when two ladies were cleaning but I have only a very vague recollection of seeing the clock.
Next one : Another church clock, which doesn`t appear to be in working order.
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Rectified!
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I will hold off on this one Diapasson or folk will think we are in cohoots :) :) :)
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Found it but I will also hold off today to give others a chance - I've put quite a few up recently. :)
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I had my doubts about putting this one up as I believe I used it on the `old` forum.
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I don't recall it on the old forum. I found it after a of of searching on line.
Perhaps some clues will bring in more interest?
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There's not much to go on but I'll try Rye church
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St Peter & St Paul Church, Charing
https://www.britainexpress.com/attractions.htm?attraction=3315 (https://www.britainexpress.com/attractions.htm?attraction=3315)
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Spot on Local Hiker!
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Thank you Diapason. I have not been KHFing much lately, and here I am back and posting in Guess the place.
With lock-down, my options to play GTP with my own images is limited, but here is one from 4ish years ago.
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New Tavern Fort Gravesend
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Pete, New Tavern Fort is quite an interesting area.
I visited it a few years ago, although I was mainly in the area to explore the Thames Medway Canal basin nearby.
It is not there, but you are on the right coastline.
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thats blown my guess out of the water .I was thinking Dungeness Fort.
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Well grandarog, I am aware of most places mentioned on KHF; I have visited many, and I often have a little personal anecdote to add.
I have never heard of Dungeness Fort, and I have been to Dungeness many times.
So I am afraid that you are way out, as you have surmised. It is associated with the North Kent coast as I suggested earlier.
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i think technically they are Batteries at Dungeness not Forts.
http://www.ecastles.co.uk/lade.html (http://www.ecastles.co.uk/lade.html)
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It is a bit dry on guesses. It was part of quite significant dockyard defences.
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Sheerness area?
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Yes
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Ravelin wall Sheerness
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Spot on Pete.
It is now the perimiter boundary between the public footpath and Tesco garage.
This is not my video, but it clarifies what and where. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq0Xjs0YBa9kkNJX64nFcMQ
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Right, another boozy one, dead pub now, What was it's name and what was unusual about it's sign
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Rochester ?
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The Medway Queen Pub, Chatham ?
I`m sure I`ve passed it many times but have never been certain if it`s Chatham, Rochester or ????
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Not a Medway towns pub. Original was on the corner sort of left edge of my photo and demolished in redevelopment and this replaced it
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Was it converted to a super/mini market?
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The front of the block became a supermarket and the new pub was built behind down a side st.
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Maidstone ?
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Go West (a bit) those who thought they recognised it that was due to it being a standard Whitbread design used in the '60s, such as Century Maidstone, Chatham Chest and a good few more in Kent & elsewhere
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Larkfield area ?
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You're thinking Walnut Tree Ditton -another of that design, no go SW ish
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I'm lost now - not sure what I'm looking for ;D
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West Malling?
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South West of WM.
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Mereworth?
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10 miles more, got a river
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Sounds like Tonbridge.
Is your photo of the actual pub? - I'm a bit confused as to what I'm searching for - don't laugh - it's an age thing .....
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Sounds like a team effort is needed John Walker to get this one!
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I think the location is Waterloo Road Tonbridge and is currently the Juniors day Nursery. But I have no idea what it was called and anything about the sign. Come On John Walker finish it off please, you gave me the town so its really yours anyway.
I don't think the building pictured is the former Pub at all. Th eland lies between the Good Intent and the We Three Loggersheads?
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Station Bridge Inn, Quarry Road?
On reflection, I think you have it Lutonman with We Three Loggerheads. The pub on the left was I believe the We Three Loggerheads; and I think the building in the pic was named We Three Loggerheads for a short time. Just a guess but did the sign only show two of the 'Loggerheads'?
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The sign for the 'We three Loggerheads' had only two heads even back in 1908. That pub is listed as High Street.
The old "Three Loggerheads" (Station Bridge House) was on the corner of Quarry Hill Road and Waterloo road. That pub and the "Good Intent (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Good-Intent-Tonbridge.html)" which was on the bottom corner of Waterloo Road were both knocked down and the monstrosity that was the new Loggerheads (later known as Loggers) was built between the two. That place, although popular with youngsters, did not last long.
Lutonman should have this one as I only obtained this info on the back of his comments.
There's another Three Loggerheads pub in Quarryhill Tonbridge - just to confuse further ...
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We 3 Loggerheads it is, sign has only 2 people on the other loggerhead being the viewer. This is the sign I knew in the 70s+80s and must have been in use earlier as this is from the tinplate Innsigns series 1 about 1950. Cellar was underneath the pub but accessed level from the carpark as shown in JW 2nd picture
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I looked up loggerhead. Seems there are various meanings (including a turtle) but perhaps the one here relates to a stupid/thick person. Three loggerheads when in fact there are only two ?
I think Lutonman should have this one as I only added to his correct guess.
John
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Well Thank you all. I'll go with another place you can visit. (I like to show off Kent's attractions)
Old house has some South Africa connections.
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Godmersham Park House?
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Powell Cotton Museum QuexPk Birchington
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Not Godmersham nor QuexPark head west
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Mount Ephraim ?
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Not Mount Ephraim head further north
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There isn't much north of Mount Ephraim so how about the Graveney area?
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I took that to be Mount Ephriam Tunbridge Wells, so Lets go North West Kent
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Yes, sorry Lutonman - I forgot there was a Mount Ephraim in Tunbridge Well area.
Heading for North West Kent now :)
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Quick guess. The Red House - William Morris's Home. Bexleyheath?
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Now we are too far west! Just off a very main road
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Owletts, Cobham?
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You have it Diapason, well done. This place is usually only open on Sundays and is just past the church at Cobham.
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Thanks Lutonman! That was a difficult one.
Here`s a much easier one.
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I don't recognise it. Was it or is it a pub?
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Yes, it WAS a pub. A very unusual one.
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West Kent?
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ME13
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Used to be the Mounted Rifleman, I believe in or near Oare/back of Teynham way somewhere? It was unusual because there was no bar as such. Drinks were served through a serving hatch?
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You`ve got it Stuart, The Mounted Rifleman, Luddenham. Apparently the Landlord took your order and disappeared down to the cellar where the drinks were dispensed directly from the barrels, then reappeared at a serving hatch on the ground floor. More detail below -
https://baileysbeerblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/classic-basic-unspoilt-mounted-rifleman.html (https://baileysbeerblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/classic-basic-unspoilt-mounted-rifleman.html)
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The best way to serve proper beer in my opinion. Very rare these days, the only other pub I've seen it done like that is the Ringlestone Arms.
Anyways, what and where is this?
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Brompton Barracks?
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Nope ;)
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Is it the old waterworks in Luton?
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That'll do. It's the pump-house at the very much active Southern Water water works at Luton. It used to be hidden behind admin and office buildings on the site. Those buildings became surplus to Southern Water, so they and the land they stood on was sold for development and the pump house is now hidden behind a new housing development.
Over to you....
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Thanks Stuart, I recognised the architecture and the window, though I thought thta it was all now out of use. Next on e should be easy if you know the answer!
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Would the river be the Stour?
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The Summerhouse. Lower end of Sissinghurst Castle gardens?
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Yes JohnWalker, you have it, taken a few years ago now, over to you.
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Thank you Stewie. Great photo.
It's been a number of years since I went there last. I thought it was the Sissinghurst summerhouse as when we were there, an artist was painting a highly detailed picture of it.
Next one ... Where is this lane and what is it's name?
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There's an 'A' road at the bottom of this hill. Nice pub about 100 mtrs away.
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Church on top of the bank on the left.
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Is that Thurnham Lane, John?
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Not Thurnham Lane DTT.
Head more east
Railway station and river within half mile
Nice tearoom at top of hill
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Hollingbourne
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Not Hollingbourne Pete - Keep heading east.
Clues: Emma and Moll
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And a castle nearby.
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Church Hill Chilham
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Well done Pete. It is indeed Church Hill, Chilham. White Horse pub in the square at the top of the hill. Shelleys Tea Rooms round the corner.
The clue Emma and Moll. A number of films have used the square as a set including Emma and Moll Flanders.
Over to you Pete.
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Not sure if this is now Des Res apartments
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I think I know where this is as I believe I made a visit here during the 2011 census. Surprisingly, a number of resident hadn't completed their returns. I'll hold back for now as it would be great to see some other members participate.
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It was never used by the NHS
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Bradbourne House, East Malling?
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Wel done, thought it might have lasted longer
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Thanks Pete. It should have lasted a lot longer. The method I used to identify it was a bit dubious although I don`t think that it broke any forum rules.
Next offering - in a very poor state and not accessible to the general public.
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I don't know where it is, but what a great photograph.
DTT
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Such a shame to see a building in that state. I presume broken windows have allowed birds to roost. Not a clue where it is so a starter guess - Romney Marshes?
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Coastal. Now privately owned.
I think more clues will be needed to guess this one.
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Thanet coast?
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Yes, Thanet Coast!
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Ramsgate?
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Nearly there!
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Salmestone Grange Chapel Margate
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You`re so close, John.
Correct Town, wrong chapel.
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All Saints' Church Westbrook, Margate
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Royal Seabathing Chapel Historic building in the heart of Royal Seabathing, Margate with potential for two large houses or six large duplex apartments. Subject to planning permission.The former Chapel is located at the Royal Seabathing, Margate and is considered locally as one the areas most interesting historical buildings. The property was previously granted planning consent to be converted into two large semi detached houses and the current owner has plans for the property to be converted into six large luxury duplex apartments and is planning to seek consent from the local authority. An offer on a subject to planning basis would be considered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Azfkb-JcA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Azfkb-JcA&feature=youtu.be)
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Absolutely spot on, Pete. I don`t know how you did it from the unique photo. I was there about 3-4 years ago in an attempt to save the historic pipe organ which is in a terrible state, having been neglected for many years.
The last thing I heard was that `the powers that be` were hoping to renovate and use it.
Here`s a few pics I took at the time, I think the pigeons have ruined everything.
More info here
https://historic-hospitals.com/2017/12/27/margates-sea-bathing-hospital/ (https://historic-hospitals.com/2017/12/27/margates-sea-bathing-hospital/)
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It took a lot of searching on google images!
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A very good GTP Diapason. Such a shame to see a building and organ in that condition. I don't think I would have found that one as I was only looking at regular Chapel and churches in the area. Well done Pete.
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Your GTP Pete. A coach excursion stop on the A2 somewhere?
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Is it the Black Prince A2 near Bexley
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The `old` Long Reach, Thanet Way, Whitstable?
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no no & no :D
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I'm sure I've seen this building somewhere. Top of Weir Bay Road Folkestone? If it is, then the frontage has been altered since your photo.
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if you mean East Cliff Pavillion then you've got it
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That's the place Pete. Was quite basic inside when I went in a few years ago. Looks more -'upmarket' now.
Next one ...
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Close to a busy 'A' Road, a motorway and railway station are not far away.
All three connect the same two towns.
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Chilham?
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Not Chilham Diapason. This place is right on the edge of the Kent Downs.
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Lenham?
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High Street, Charing
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Well done JohnFilmer - Charing it is. Over to you for the next one ...
Sherbourne House
House and shops. Mid C16 purpose built shop with accommodation defenestrated in early C19. Timber framed with continuous jetty to High street, close-studded with plaster infill on plinth. End walls and ground floor of rear elevation red brick. Tiled roof, gabled to right, hipped to left with off central brick chimneystack. 2 storeys, 5 windows. 1st floor windows are C19 mainly triple casements with leaded lights, but 4 original blocked window openings survive. Ground floor has 2 early C19 5-light canted bays on the ground floor and to the left late C18 or early C19 3-light canted bay shop window with original sliding sash, projecting on wooden piers with wide tile hung canopy over. To the south of this are 2 wide unglazed windows with 4 centred heads with sunken spandrels and have rebates and hooks remaining for hanging heavy shutters, original C16 shopfronts. The tops have wooden trellised grilles. To south is half glazed door with 2 panels to base and to north 6-panelled door. North end has been truncated and covered in Jacobean brickwork with 4-light blocked mullioned window to 1st floor. South end has late C18 brickwork. Rear elevation has exposed framing to 1st floor, including curved brace. C18 l-storey brick addition with 2 hips to roof. Interior has moulded spine beam to south ground floor room, fireplaces and exposed frame with crown post roof.
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Thanks JW, it is so distinctive.
Next one is out to the west. Photo taken by me about 1961 with my sister's Kodak Brownie.
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Middle Row Maidstone, timbered & jetted building demolished to build the Barclays Bank?
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Not there. Keep going west. Still near the Medway. The village has a railway station named for it, but the station is in a different village.
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Cowden?
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I have no idea where this place was/is but I think I`ve seen the photo before.
Was it used on the `old` forum?
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Pete - Cowden is much "warmer"
Diapason - Probably was, but if so, 4-5years ago. Not been out much lately!
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Frant
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I think this is the building next to or at least close to Penshurst Place ?
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It is indeed in Penshurst, clearly visible on GSV, and looking a tad smarter now. Just down to the right as you look at the photo is the entrance to Penshurst Place.
Well done JW, over to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer
Glad my memory is still working :)
Next one ...
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Just outside a Village. Railway line behind the building. Station about 700 yards away.
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Is this a `lost` pub?
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I believe it is still running.
Further clue - it was or still is a working mans pub/club. That should help. :)
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Aylesford?
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That would be the Aylesham and District Social Club Ratling, the name of which has been removed from the board just beneath the eaves?
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That's the place CAT. I couldn't really leave the name in place ;D ;D ;D
Over to you CAT ...
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You are quite right, John Walker. That would be my sort of mistake.
My next won't last long, I'm sure?
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Chequers Inn, Tonbridge?
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Sorry to keep all waiting. It is indeed the Chequers Inn, Tonbridge in c.1880 and still going strong, but under the name 'Ye Olde Chequers Inn'
Over to you Diapason
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Thanks, CAT!
Here`s one that I MAY have used previously on the `old` forum.
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Scotney Castle?
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Bayham Abbey
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Nothing like as grand as Scotney and Bayham but is Grade 2 listed.
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Upnor ?
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Not Upnor, John. Nor anywhere in Medway.
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A house/garden for public to visit?
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Romney Marshes?
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Bilsington Priory ?
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Neither Bilsington nor Romney Marsh. No formalities, just walk around, open to all.
A very tranquil site, very close to water.
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Faversham?
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The ruins of St Mary's Church, Little Chart - near the Stour ?
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You`re getting nearer, John!
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Are you including the ruined St Mary's in with Johns answer?
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St. Marys - Yes, but not at Little Chart.
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St Mary's at Eastwell ?
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Well done, John! I knew you would get there in the end.
[size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=st+mary+eastwell (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=st+mary+eastwell)[/size]
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Thank you Diapason, I didn't realise there was access to that church. I wrongly assumed it was part of Eastwell Manor grounds.
Next one ...
A bit out in the sticks.
Clues to follow if it isn't guessed straight away.
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About 400 mtrs from a river known for it's flooding as it heads toward joining a much larger river.
Medium size town/large village a couple of miles to the south. 45 acres of course fishing lakes close by.
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Alkham Valley area?
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More mid-Kent Diapason
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yalding area?
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That's where the river in question joins the Medway - you are getting closer now.
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Woolpack Benover Rd Yalding
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Sorry Pete, My last reply may have misled. I was trying to say that Yalding is where the river that is near the GTP Pub joins the Medway. You need to identify the river and head south east ...
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Gun & Spitroast Horsmonden
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Wrong river Pete. Follow the other small river that runs south east from Yalding. Then follow the other clues. The pub is close to this river. Look out for the very large course fishery and you are very close then.
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Stile bridge?
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So close Pete. Right river and right area. ;)
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Last attempt!!! Lord Raglan, Chart Hill Rd Cross at Hand /Staplehurst
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Well done Pete - you earned that one ;D .
It was reported to be the favourite watering hole of Marden resident "Bungalow Bill Wiggins" and his somewhat more famous "girl friend" Joan Collins.For a brief period the Raglan became the watering hole for the National press following the £200m+ Securitas raid at Tonbridge with a huge police investigation at a neighbouring farm.
Movie shot entirely in Kent gets its county premiere.
A movie with a distinctly Kentish heritage will get its first outing in the county tomorrow (Sunday).
The Carer, starring Brian Cox, was to have been shot on a country estate in Scotland, but a last-minute hitch forced producer Charlotte Wontner to look around for a new location - she found it at Boughton Monchelsea Place just outside Maidstone.
The film was shot over five weeks at the beginning of 2015, with additional scenes filmed at the Sutton Valence Care Home and at Sutton Valence Senior and Prep Schools. Other scenes were filmed in the "Lord Raglan" pub in Chart Hill Road, Staplehurst, and at shops in Headcorn.
Mrs Wontner, who lives in Collier Street, said: “Local companies were very helpful and lots of local villagers helped us with our crowd scenes. Most of our lead actors came from London, the USA or Hungary but they enjoyed coming out of town to film in the Kent countryside, and they loved staying at Leeds Castle!”
The Carer tells the story of a cantankerous old Shakespearean actor, played by Cox, who is suffering from a form of Parkinson’s, who has scared off all his previous helpers. Then his daughter finds him a new carer, a young Hungarian refugee called Dorottya, played by Coco Konig, who has acting aspirations of her own.
The film is made by Hopscotch Films and stars Emilia Fox, Anna Chancellor, Karl Johnson and has a brief appearance by Roger Moore.
It is directed by Janos Edelenyi.
It has already had its US premiere at the Palm Springs Festival, and its British première at the Edinburgh Film Festival, where it won the award for best film at both, but tomorrow’s performance at The Trinity Theatre in Tunbridge Wells, will be the first screening in Kent. It will be followed by a Q and A session with some of the cast and crew.
The nearby course fishing centre is enormous. I'd not heard of it prior to this GTP.
Over to you Pete...
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Thanks, not one I've visited
This one then, name of the place and what was it known as clue:NOT Lido
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No idea where it is but here's the view I found while looking.
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Snap!!!! but where is it and what was it's original name ? (not Lido)
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Is it the Sheerness Swimming Pool?
It looks like the place we went to in Sheerness once as kids. The water was freezing. My Dad decided to try the top diving board but when he got up there it was higher than he expected. He tried to come down but there was a queue coming up behind him so he had to dive. He didn't enjoy it at all as he hit the water badly.
If it's not there then I need to search further...
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It is Sheerness but what was it known as? Only went in there once and as you say F Freezing, colder than the sea and probably not much cleaner
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Well I would never have guessed Sheerness .Went there loads of times years ago. Picture put me off.
Never saw the cascade working like the picture it was more of a pathetic trickle.
In answer to the question it was The Aquarena. Loads ofWindows above where people watched from the seafront.
Pete please Give it to John Walker as he found it.
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Well I would never have guessed Sheerness .Went there loads of times years ago. Picture put me off.
Never saw the cascade working like the picture it was more of a pathetic trickle.
In answer to the question it was The Aquarena. Loads ofWindows above where people watched from the seafront.
Pete please Give it to John Walker as he found it.
Wasn't it spelt Aquarina?
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If you have a photo ready to go then you go for it Grandarog - I would never have guessed the name of it.
It's a day I remember well. It was a works outing some 60+ years ago and it sounded so exciting but when we arrived at the beach there was a freezing north easterly wind coming in. We ended up at the swimming pool as at least is was sheltered. We were sitting just opposite the camera position. A quick dip is all we managed and then sat shivering eating our spam sandwiches and currant buns. It left quite an image in my head and as soon as I saw the photo, I thought that must be the place.
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Thanks John Walker . Taken about 12 years ago .Should go pretty quick.
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Quick guess - Moat Park ?
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Sheerness?
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The Strand Gillingham
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In answer to the question it was The Aquarena. Loads ofWindows above where people watched from the seafront.
Pete please Give it to John Walker as he found it.
Aquarena it was
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Riverside, Rainham?
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Sorry folks only just come on line. None of these places. Need to go further East .
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The Hop farm in Paddock Wood?
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Sorry not there Stewie.
Didn't think it would last more than 5 min's
CLUE CT post code. :)
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Bekesbourne Zoo
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Part of or close to Dreamland, Margate?
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The Leas, Folkestone
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Not Howletts Zoo ,Dreamland Margate or Folkestone.
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I have a feeling I might be kicking myself with this one :) Still drawing a blank...
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Coastal location?
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Wingham Wildlife Park - Play area ?
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Well Done .John Walker.
It was indeed the Play area at Wingham Wildlife before the Elf and Saferty struck .
There was an old milk float and a dinghy for the kids to play on and a giant fort type climbing frame .
Over to You.
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Thank you Grandadrog
That was a difficult one :) . I couldn't find any images of it so I resorted to YouTube videos. I finally found one by a family about 8 years ago. The playground appeared in the background complete with the milk float.
Next one. Shouldn't be too difficult.
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Large village with a railway station.
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Links to a writer and a major crime.
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A quick guess to start things off.
Canterbury : Christopher Marlowe
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Not there Diapason. Need to head more mid-Kent. A large town is to the north.
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Brenchley, Siegfried Sassoon
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Where are you, John? Hope you are OK
I`m fairly certain that Pete has guessed correctly.
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Thanks Diapason, I'll give it 24 hrs and if John hasn't posted I'll put a picture on
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Now why are all those people
Looking up that church steeple
They could be out with camera
For `guess the place `drama.
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One to ponder, easy if you play your cards right
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My immediate reaction was Coldblow transmitter near DETLING?
It`s `donkeys years` since I was there, but it `stuck` in my failing memory.
Edit. - Just realised the significance of your clue, Pete!
Although it looks like Detling, I think that it may be near DEAL?
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Cold Blow it is- Ace High tropospheric scatter station, the 2 parabollic dishes long gone Thought it would have lasted days!!!
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Thanks, Pete. I`m still a bit confused but assume it`s the Deal mast.
Next offering which should be easy for those with a good memory. I used it, I think, on the `old forum`.
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No Cold Blow Lane Stockbury/Detling, was part of the Ace High Troposheric Scatter radio and early warning systems. Operated by USAF with armed guards. Apparently MOD & USAF still use the mast in the photo, https://www.subbrit.org.uk/sites/coldblow-ace-high-relay-station/ (https://www.subbrit.org.uk/sites/coldblow-ace-high-relay-station/)
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Hi all,
Sorry for the absence but I was one of the members who couldn't access the site. I had no contact that I could think to let you all know.
Today is the first time I've been able to get back on. It's good to be back.
Out of interest, your guess on my last one wasn't Brenchley Pete. I'll use it again next time it's my turn.
Diapason - quick guess on your church - Hoo area ?
Cheers
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Welcome back, John!
Sorry that I `jumped the gun`, but I think I`ve got it, at last.
Not Hoo - Swale area.
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Welcome back John Walker. I know the feeling when you have no contact with anyone to find out whar is happening . I would advise you and everybody toPut Stuarts E-mail in your address book in case of further problems. Then you will not feel totally lost. Leave the church for others as i know it well.
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Thanks. I now have Stuarts email.
Is this church near a motorway?
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Not far away.
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Welcome back John. Like you I was shut out; but luckily I'm on a few of the FB Medway history sites along with Stuart and a few KHF members. One of the members kindly brought me up to date with the situation before Stuart confirmed the site was available once again. :)
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John John where have you been
Up to London to see the Queen
Your input`s surely gone astray
Get out those photos ---- today.
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Maidstone?
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Not Maidstone, Bill.
Rural.
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St Bartholomew's Church, Goodnestone ?
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Good try, John, a very similar building but the wrong side of the M2.
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Struggling a bit now. St Bartholomews Church, Goodnestone looked to be the place but I see now that it's almost a mirror image with the entrance on the opposite side.
I seem to recall a church just south of the M2 which was at the end of a track but I can't find it now.
Throwley area ?
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This church should ring a bell in your memory.
Getting warmer with Throwley.
Were you thinking of Oare (not south of the M2) or Eastling? Both somewhat similar.
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St Laurence's Church, Leaveland ?
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Well done John!
I posted it on the old forum when the solitary bell was stolen.
I believe a replacement was found locally.
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Thanks Diapason. That was a struggle as it didn't come up on my Google maps for some reason. Once you'd said Throwley was close it helped a lot. Still, I had a nice virtual trip around Swale.
Next one - same one as last time that I'm fairly sure hasn't been correctly guessed yet.
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Either whoever fitted the seat by the road had lost the bubble out of his spirit level, or this is on a hill!
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Yes, it's on a hill. The hill continues up behind the camera position, reaches a brow and goes back down.
Church at the brow but not easily seen from the main road. The road is a fairly busy 'A' Road.
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Chilham?
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Head a fair way WSW from Chilham. Don't forget that the road in front of the building is an A Road.
This large village has a station about 1km from this location.
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What about Milton - a bit like their court building -
It is said
now Fred
R we near
from here.
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You need to go a fair few miles SSW from Milton Regis passing over two motorways. Castle261
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A229? Failing that the A21?
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A229 it is Shoot999 :)
Should be easy now ...
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High Street Staplehurst, left hand side as you head away from Maidstone.
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You have it JohnFilmer.
STAPLEHURST HIGH STREET TQ 7843 (East side)
Nos. 1, 2 and3 The Crown and carriage entrance to south (formerly listed as Crown Cottages)
GV II
House row, possibly formerly an inn. Mid C16, restored early C20.Timber framed with rendered infilling. Plain tile roof. Approximately8 timber-framed bays; including 2 stack bays. 2 storeys and cellars. Brick plinth, with stone base to left end. Close-studded. Continuous jetty on moulded bressumer, with moulded solid-spandrel brackets. Mid-height rail to first floor, interrupted by principal posts and by studs flanking windows. Roof half-hipped to left with gablet; to right, hipped with gablet down to lower ridge over right end of main range and over carriage entrance. Brick ridge stacks to second and sixth timber-framed bays from left, with rear brick stack between them and another to right end. Irregular fenestration of 6 leaded 3-light wood mullion casements. 3 ribbed doors with 4-centred-arched heads; one to left stack bay, one towards right end of fourth timber-framed bay from left, and one to right of seventh bay from left, each up a flight of stone steps and with small grilled judas. Arch-braced carriage entrance to right end.
Over to you ...
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The wonders of Google and Historic England. You were quicker John by a few minutes. Well done.
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I knew that I recognised the buildings. The next to the left is Radford's Estate Office, a very good customer for many years, I could not count the times that I've been there. It was just that I would always see them from the other end.
Where was I to take this photo? Early/mid 1990s I think, if that helps.
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Quick guess - Biggin Hill ?
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Afraid not JW.
Look carefully at the plane, it's a bit different.
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A229 it is Shoot999 :)
Should be easy now ...
Can't remember what I was doing this morning, but can remember this from the once yearly journey down to Sussex to visit my grandparents in the 50s. ???
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That is a Photo-Reconnaisance variant of the Spitfire, operated by the US Army Air Forces during the Second World War. These unarmed variants of the Spitfire could fly higher and faster than the armed Spitfires and were among a small number of British types operated by the Americans. As to where, not a scooby.
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Frak it, I'll have a go, Rochester Airfield?
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It was indeed Rochester, good guess Stuart. Over to you.
The plane had been rebuilt by MAPS (Medway Aeronautical Preservation Society?), with I believe a crated Packard Merlin.
We used to shoot on the old RAF range behind the main hangar and found the plane ready for its engine tests when we went to leave.
It was strapped down and Ray Hanna went through a large range of static tests with the plane bucking about, basically wanting to fly!
The noise from 50yds was incredible as we sheltered in the front of the hangar.
If you have never seen this, it is well worth a watch.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=low+spitfire+pass (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=low+spitfire+pass)
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Hmmm, wasn't expecting that! Thanks John, I'll put one up tomorrow. I'm out and about in the County, so I'll take a piccy and post it.
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Okay, these are my work wheels, a J Hvitved Larsen Super Recycler 312 on a Scania G450 chassis. The question is, which buildings are behind it? There are two possible answers, either will do.
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I remember Ray Hanna in one of the air show at Rochester. I was standing alone at the Chatham
end of the airfield, when he did a run, south to north - towards me - I put out my arms ( like you do )
& waved them - then Ray waved the wings of the Spitfire - as he came over low.
It made my day.
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Wow! That is some vehicle Stuart. Do you uplift from interceptors at oil terminal? I used to have a vehicle empty the interceptors at my oil terminal in Bridge on a regular basis. I can't remember the company name but I'm sure it was in the Medway area.
First guess at your GTP - West Malling. The building on the left is the Bull Inn and on the right is the home of the late William Perfect MD.
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Darn it JW, I thought it would go for longer than that. You are correct.
Yes, we do on occasions do Interceptor Cleans, although I've not done any in Bridge. I've cleaned out the interceptors at Canterbury City Council's old depot a number of times, but not in that truck. That one is a specialised sewer cleaning and unblocking truck, something it is very good at.
Over to you (scowling in the corner ;D
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Thanks Stuart
The blue plaque was my lead. I looked at the overall shape of the wording and after a couple of hours trawling the net I found one that matched. I then had to find where in West Malling it was.
Far more enjoyable than crosswords :D and I learned from it as well.
(The oil terminal at Bridge has been demolished. Interceptors had to be emptied on a regular basis due to the pipework/valves being at the end of life expectancy - always leaking and keeping the interceptor well fed)
Next one ....
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This church is outside the village that it belongs to. A small village with about 800 residents. The church is actually nearer geographically to a neighbouring village.
I would class it as mid Kent and rural but not that far from a town.
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Nettlestead Place?
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Stuart. Sorry I have no idea where but some truck- or truck and a half as we used to say! Hate to think how much a new windscreen would cost? I know it's off topic but I'm sure I'm not alone, there must be special places where your different " nasties" are deposited?
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Not Nettlestead Place Pete. You need to head ESE ...
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Would the town be Ashford?
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Perfect trajectory Shoot999 but too far. Try again but only around 12km.
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Chart Sutton church, which is probably less than half a mile from Sutton Valence church at the top of the hill by the main road.
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That's the place JohnFilmer. Seems strange to name it after Chart Sutton when as you say it's nearer to Sutton Valence.
Over to you ...
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I remember using that lane to turn round to go back to Sutton Valence - looking for a housename, usually took more than one pass - and I initially thought that I had gone around a big circle and was looking at the back of Sutton Valence church. Found a map and realised that there were two very close together. Very strange.
Next one - what is the grand(ish) building roughly in the centre of this vista.
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Groombridge Place?
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Not there. North of M20.
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Is there a private narrow gauge railway nearby?
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There or thereabouts JW
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I'm thinking of Torry Hill. Owned by the previous Governor of the Bank of England. The Leigh-Pemberton family?
Just one thing puts a doubt in my mind. I don't think there are pylons that close to the house but the telephoto might be deceiving.
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A bit different from the cleaning vessel - from my 1935 schooldays - Stuart - A man with a horse/cart
came up the hill - with his half tank - pulled by one horse - he got out the long scoops - to scoop out
the drain of muck - then he put pink powder down - over the drain - put scoops back on cart & away.
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Not Tory Hill JW.
Photo taken through a gap in the hedge from a busy, unclassified road, not far from a church.
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The other place I can think of that looks like the one in your photo is Doddington Place ?
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That’s it JW. Photo taken through a gateway off the Faversham Road, just up from Wichling church. The Old Lenham Road runs down on the right, cutting the corner off the Faversham Road, rejoining it in The Street at Doddington.
I’m writing this just out of shot on the right, about a third of the distance to Doddington Place.
North Downs Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty.
You’re “It” again!
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Thanks JohnFilmer
I was lucky with that one. Something made me think it was Torry Hill which is not far away. As it was near a private railway, the only other place I could think of was Doddington.
Next one - What and where?
Clue: Dangerous if something goes wrong.
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Explosives of some sort?
How about fireworks?
So a wild guess Astra Fireworks at Sandwich - some time ago!
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Not explosives/fireworks JohnFilmer - the photo is fairly current.
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RARDE Q[size=78%]inetiq Fort Halstead[/size]
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Much too far NW Pete.
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Make sure the catches are on ...
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Close to a large village, a railway line and an airfield.
That should help ... :)
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An airfield with a hard runway or a grass farmer's job?
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Got it................ The Big Cat Sanctuary. Headcorn Road ,towards Smarden.
https://thebigcatsanctuary.org/?gclid=CjwKCAjwq_D7BRADEiwAVMDdHsjInkdilhdJjhLkKTpB5VS64YZlKeqKfjUe3UfhE20jQ1s5ehkzzxoC6_kQAvD_BwE (https://thebigcatsanctuary.org/?gclid=CjwKCAjwq_D7BRADEiwAVMDdHsjInkdilhdJjhLkKTpB5VS64YZlKeqKfjUe3UfhE20jQ1s5ehkzzxoC6_kQAvD_BwE)[
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Well done Grandarog - that's the place.
Sorry I could answer your question Pete. I was out. It was Headcorn airfield which I'm fairly certain is grass.
Over to you Grandarog ...
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Thanks John Walker..
Where would you find this rather plain Font. Yes, I know its in a church :)
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@John, Headcorn is grass, you can see a plane on the runway here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B010'10.4%22N+0%C2%B037'13.2%22E/@51.1563357,0.6429955,779m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.169549!4d0.620341?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B010'10.4%22N+0%C2%B037'13.2%22E/@51.1563357,0.6429955,779m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.169549!4d0.620341?hl=en)Quite distinctive though and a good clue.
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Thanks for the airfield info MartinR
Grandarog: I think this one is going to need some questions :D
A church in the Kent Downs?
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Obviously by its simplicity it is not a large opulent church.
North downs would be a reasonable clue for now.
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St Mary & All Saints Church at Boxley ?
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I`ve seen this font many times but cannot remember where, for certain. I believe there`s one very similar in Badlesmere church.
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No one has it yet .Diapson is getting nearer.
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St Peter's Church, Molash ?
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St. James, Sheldwich?
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You are near Diapason, you will kick yourself when you realise where it is. :)
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St Thomas Church at Leaveland ?
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You have it John Walker, Over to you. :)
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Ah, I wasn't expecting that Grandarog. Just taking guesses at smaller churches. I'd better get my butt in gear and get the next one sort asap :D :D :D
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Next one ..
What and where?
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Is it an adventure playground?
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You are near Diapason, you will kick yourself when you realise where it is. :)
Yes, I can`t believe that I missed that one. I was so certain it was at Badlesmere (tucked away in an alcove).
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Part of it is an adventure playground Pete.
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Wildwood Trust Herne Common?
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Wildwood Trust Herne Common?
Not there Pete. Those dark areas are part of a small lake. Head West ......
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Not far from the M2
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Shorne Woods Country Pk
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Shorne Woods Country Pk
A County Park is correct but you are too far NW Pete.
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Is it Capstone Country park Chatham?
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Is it Capstone Country park Chatham?
Well done Lutonman - it is indeed. Looks like a nice place - must visit some time.
Over to you ...
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What are you trying to tell us JW? won't open and miniscule
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He is saying .
"Well done Lutonman - it is indeed. Looks like a nice place - must visit some time."
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One of the advantages of using an RSS feed is that it strips off all formatting and just displays the ASCII. John's minuscule is clearly readable.
Capstone is worth a visit, particularly with kids. The darker area just to the right of the cafe complex is a multi-level playground that both my sons benefited from when they were younger. If anyone is visiting and is disabled then don't go into the main car park but go straight across at the entrance roundabout. Follow the road till just past the cafe, then turn right and there is disabled parking there. Not only is it more convenient for the cafe and toilets, but the path surfaces are better for mobility scooters.
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What are you trying to tell us JW? won't open and miniscule
Thanks Pete - Have edited. I don't know what I managed to do to make it so small :D :D :D
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Thank you John Walker, its just a few minutes from home. A great place for my Grandchildren to visit but plenty more, short and longer walks and many come with their dogs and indeed fishing in the lake.
Now try this one. Not a Country house this time from me, where is this or where did I take this picture from?
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From a church tower ?
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Not a church tower, my feet were on the ground!
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Wye Nature reserve? On top of the Downs overlooking Brook ?
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You're too far East of the County. But a high up view point is right.
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Looking from Trosley Country Park. View down Pinesfield Lane with Coldrum Long Barrow just out of sire to the left?
An excellent photo with good definition. Which camera/lens was used?
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Well done John Walker indeed from Trosley Country Park.
I have Fujifilm HS30 EXR, which has a standard 24-720 mm zoom lens. Was a birthday present some years back but takes a good picture. Far too many features on it that I still have not used. In this view Kings Hill and Offham are in the distance.
Over to you.
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Thanks Lutonman - that one kept me occupied nicely today. I remember that camera when it came out - excellent reviews as I recall.
Next one:
There are 33 clues as to the area in this photo :D
Should go quickly .....
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Kingsnorth?
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Pluckley?
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Pluckley?
Pluckley area it is Stewie. I guess you picked up on my clue ;)
Now all you have to do is identify the building.
John
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Black Horse Pluckley? 33 being part of the dialling code 01233?
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Black Horse Pluckley? 33 being part of the dialling code 01233?
Not the Black Horse Pete. I said Pluckley area, so not Pluckley itself ;) .
The clue does not relate to the STD code - it's an architectural design specific to the Pluckley area. So, the clue is the design of the windows. There are 33 individual windows visible in the photo. Many windows in the Pluckley area have the distinctive rounded tops. There's a story relating to that window design.
The Dering family from their early beginnings in the reign of Henry II, grew in importance, inheriting the manor of Surrenden to the east of the village. The first baronet is famous for creating a huge library of books, charters, maps and manuscripts; part of this collection can be found in the Centre for Kentish Studies at County Hall. It is this first baronet who is generally believed to have escaped from the Roundheads through a narrow, curved-topped window at the manor – a popular myth that led to the addition of ‘Dering windows’ to most, if not all, of the houses owned by the Dering family during the romantic Victorian era.
So now you know it's in the general area of Pluckley, it's just a matter of identifying the building in the photo.
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Is it the Swan Inn in Little Chart?
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Is it the Swan Inn in Little Chart?
That's it Stewie - well done. Another on my list of visits - one day. When you drive around the Pluckley area nearly every older property has that style of windows.
Over to you...
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Thanks John Walker, your '33' clue drew me in and as you said I recognised the Dering windows so that put it somewhere in the vicinity of Pluckley.
Its a bit late now so I will put something up tomorrow PM.
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Interesting piece of folklore regards the arched top windows JohnWalker. I had heard another piece many years ago that the child of one of the Dering family had fallen from a large opening and was severely injured. The instruction was issued to the Dering estate that all large openings were to be reduced and made safe. Which is correct we shall never know?
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Okies, I guess this one will be easy of you have been there! Where would I find this fireplace?
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I do know it Stewie but I'll step aside and let the others have a go first.
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Temple Manor, Strood?
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Temple Manor it is Diapason, over to you!
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Thanks Stewie. That wasn`t an easy one as I had never seen it before.
Next offering, which may be difficult, with the exception of one member. be found
Where would this `memorial` be found?
Having problems posting the photo!
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Ha Ha , I will let this one go for others :)
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Thanks granderog, I thought you would.
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St Augustines Ramsgate?
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You`re about 35 miles adrift, Pete.
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Wouldham?
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Very close to the A2
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Very close to the A2
Strood area ?
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Back down the A2 about 10/12 miles. It`s so close to the A2 and virtually part of it. Probably needs a bit of local knowledge of a building that was demolished quite a few years ago. I`ll post a photo of it when it`s `guessed`.
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Key St Hospital?
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You are nearly there, Pete. Carry on down the hill, from the (now demolished) Keycol hospital which was at the summit of Keycol Hill.
Stay with Key Street.
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looking on old OS maps there is a church shown on S side of the A2 and a bit east and opposite of the Key Pub on the crossroads. Guessing a non conformist chapel by the look of the drawing on your photo
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Well done, Pete.
Yes it was Key Street Methodist Chapel. Although it was fairly small, it had a balcony and a basement, also a small pipe organ. My great uncle was the organist and also was the engineer in charge of the waterworks situated on the summit of Keycol Hill (now long gone), but I believe the pumps are still there.
Over to you!
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.346044,0.7003071,3a,30.4y,203.69h,65.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spiiftnBgypm_J81Rz1UN1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.346044,0.7003071,3a,30.4y,203.69h,65.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spiiftnBgypm_J81Rz1UN1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
The block's still there, albeit rather more overgrown than in Diapason's photo.
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As an addendum to MartinR's Photo . The Key on the gate is the original that hung as the Innsign on the front of the old Key Inn opposite the Chapel.
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You won't see this in this year. Googling "Bonfire Prayer" may lead you to links to the fire. Looking for the full name of the organisation responsible
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Edenbridge. Organised by the Edenbridge Bonfire Boys ?
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.346044,0.7003071,3a,30.4y,203.69h,65.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spiiftnBgypm_J81Rz1UN1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.346044,0.7003071,3a,30.4y,203.69h,65.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spiiftnBgypm_J81Rz1UN1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
The block's still there, albeit rather more overgrown than in Diapason's photo.
Yes, the photo was taken about 5 years ago.
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Sorry JW not Edenbridge.
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Lets try the Hop Farm. :)
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Not there either, The Society was reborn about 7-8 yearsago and modified it's name to incorporate local history. They appear on several Sussex Bonfire Societies Procession lists or order of processions. Googling "Sussex Bonfire Council " MIGHT lead you there
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Cliffe Bonfire Society?
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Hawkhurst Gang Bonfire Society?
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JW, The mighty Cliffe BS wuld not appreciate being moved to Kent ;D Diapason -Spot on, all yours
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JW, The mighty Cliffe BS wuld not appreciate being moved to Kent ;D Diapason -Spot on, all yours
I just saw Cliffe and assumed (wrongly) that it was in Kent. I didn't know there was another Cliffe in Sussex :D
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I realised that JW. Cliffe BS are considered the bad boys of bonfire, No Popery banners and Pope effigy burning. Check them out on You tube :o
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Thanks, Pete!
Here`s one that shouldn`t give too much trouble.
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Looks like St Martins Church, Herne. Viewed from School Lane?
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It certainly is John. Over to you.
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Thanks Diapason. I went past there many times in my childhood. Seaside trips to Herne Bay on the bus. I always looked out for the smuggler's window in the chimney breast of a house nearly opposite the church as we went past. Photo of the window attached below.
Next one ...
What and where?
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Ryarsh/Addington by M20?
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On the right lines Pete but you need to head north.
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On the right lines Pete but you need to head north.
How about Cliffe, and the gravel workings out by Cliffe Fort?
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Not there Archi93 - too far east :)
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Northfleet/Swanscombe Area?
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Gravesend?
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Close to Gravesend Lutonman :)
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J Clubb site between Thames & Thames & Medway Canal next to Met Police training centre /Old Sea School Denton
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Spot on Pete. Looks like an aggregate storage and supplier company with a fairly new loading arm from the Thames.
Over to you :)
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another beery one
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The Old Rectory, Leybourne?
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Spot on! Thought it would last at least a couple of days :-[
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Although I had no knowledge of the building or its location, I had an incredible stroke of luck and discovered it at the first attempt.
Edit. I intended to let it`run`. My apologies to Pete and hope he will choose another subject for us to search for.
Hope the rules will allow this.
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Although I had no knowledge of the building or its location, I had an incredible stroke of luck and discovered it at the first attempt.
Edit. I intended to let it`run`. My apologies to Pete and hope he will choose another subject for us to search for.
Hope the rules will allow this.
Am I reading this right? Having guessed it you don't wish to submit a picture, and are therefore handing it back to Pete to find another picture for GTP. So we are now waiting on Pete to submit something else?
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Sorry, missed that!. Another pub this time a dead one. Walls and possily the hedge ater post closure
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Lots of starlings on wires and aerial. Could it be near Stodmarsh nature Reserve?
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Go West young man ;D
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Lots of starlings on wires and aerial. Could it be near Stodmarsh nature Reserve?
How's that for a coincidence. I've just come back from a walk round Stodmarsh Nature Reserve and saw your guess ;D
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And our son supplies Welsh Mangalitza pork to the Red Lion. We've just got the starlings back last weekend too
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Love those Wooly Pigs. :)
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Wooly pigs aside, try looking in the Tonbridge-Sevenoaks -West Malling triangle
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Dunks Green area ?
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close ish
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How about the Plaxtol area?
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getting warm even mildly hot
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I've found record of a closed pub listed as Plaxtol - Artichoke - now a private residence. There was also one at Hadlow - not sure if it's the same one?
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Confused me too, Plaxtol or more accurately Hamptons. The oher is also shown as West Peckham looks much like Hamptons one though. All yours!!
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Thanks Pete, I can't find any history on the pub, just that it was in Hamptons Road.
Next one.
Still exists.
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No idea why but Cranbrook came straight into my mind
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Not there Pete. Come back East. On the side of what used to be a much busier 'A' Road.
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Close to an 'A' Road and a motorway.
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About 4km outside a large town.
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Ospringe
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South East from Ospringe
Also a rail line close by
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Folkstone area?
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Folkstone area?
Well Shoot999 - the A Road, the Motorway and the rail line are all heading that way.
This building can be seen on GSV but only in one shot. Otherwise, it's hidden be trees.
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Sellinge
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Sellinge
About 3km out Pete. The organisation at this property started in the St Pancras area London, in the early 1900s.
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Westenhanger
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Hythe?
But have no idea where!
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Not Hythe or Westenhanger
Remember the clues -
About 3 km from Sellindge
On the side of a previously busier 'A' Road
On the side of an 'A' Road and close to a motorway and rail line, all of which head toward Folkestone.
Further clues.
A Lord has a strong connection with this organisation.
There are 4 tracks of rail line at this point.
A fairly new school within the grounds.
The organisation was in another large property on the other side of the road until the lease expired.
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Caldicott School?
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Caldicott School?
Well done Pete - that's the place. Caldecott Foundation, (formerly The Caldecott Community). The building in the photo is the Foundation HQ - the school is in the grounds behind the house.
History as the CaldecottCommunity. The Caldecott Community began its life in 1911 when Leila Rendel and her friend Phyllis Potter set up their own nursery school based on the progressive ideas of Margaret McMillan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_McMillan) and Leila's aunt Edith Rendel who was an active critic of the English Poor Laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Poor_Laws), a pioneer girls' club leader and a militant suffragist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragist). Their school was located at Cartwright Gardens in St Pancras and mainly catered to the children of women working in a nearby matchbox factory. An admirer of Randolph Caldecott (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randolph_Caldecott)'s children's book illustrations, Rendel named the nursery school in his honour and adorned its walls with a frieze of his pictures. Rendel's grandfather, Alexander Meadows Rendel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Meadows_Rendel), provided them with an endowment and further donations were received from her large circle of family and friends. By 1914 the school was well-established with a written constitution and Percy Nunn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Nunn) as its chairman. Princess Louise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Louise,_Duchess_of_Argyll) served as its president.
Charlton Court in East Sutton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Sutton), Caldecott's home from 1917 to 1924The continued German bombing of London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_strategic_bombing_during_World_War_I) and subsequent condemnation of the St Pancras building by the local council in 1917 led the Caldecott Community to move with its teachers and children to Charlton Court, a large country house near Maidstone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidstone). In the process it became the first co-educational boarding school in the UK for working-class children. When the lease on Charlton Court expired in 1924, the school moved to another country house in Goffs Oak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goffs_Oak), a village in Hertfordshire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertfordshire) and remained there for the next eight years. During its time there the community increasingly took in distressed and vulnerable children whose family lives had been disrupted by death, illness, and divorce.The school moved back to the Maidstone area in 1932 where it occupied Mote House (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mote_House). The World War II bombing of Maidstone led to the community moving to Hyde Heath (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Heath) in Dorset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorset) in 1941 where they remained for the duration of the war. Lord Lytton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Bulwer-Lytton,_2nd_Earl_of_Lytton) served as chairman of the school's trustees. During that period 100 boys and girls, including 15 Jewish refugees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_escaping_from_German-occupied_Europe_to_the_United_Kingdom), were living in the community. They ranged in age from 1 to 16. At the time, only children up to the age of 11 were educated within the community itself. The older boys and girls went to local secondary schools. Over the years, ten Caldecott pupils were sent to Gordonstoun School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordonstoun) on scholarships. Leila Rendel was a life-long friend of Kurt Hahn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Hahn), Gordonstoun's founder, and was a founding trustee of the school.
Mersham-le-Hatch in Mersham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersham), Caldecott's home from 1947 to 2000 In 1947 the community moved to Mersham-le-Hatch, a large country house designed by Robert Adam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Adam) surrounded by parkland. Located near Ashford in Kent, it had served as a military hospital during World War II. That same year with a grant from the Nuffield Trust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuffield_Trust), Rendel set up the first experimental reception centre in England to assess the most appropriate placement for children who had been taken into care. Mersham would remain Caldecott's home for over five decades. Its owner, Lord Brabourne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knatchbull,_7th_Baron_Brabourne) became a long-time supporter of the community and served on its board of governors for over 40 years. Leila Rendel retired from active directorship of the community in 1967 and died two years later at the age of 86. James King succeeded her as the director and served in that post until his retirement in 1993. Like Rendel, he was awarded an OBE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBE) for his work with the community. During his tenure he reorganised the community's structure and set up smaller family units for the residential care of the children and young people in its care.
With the impending expiry of the lease on Mersham-le-Hatch in the late 1990s, the community's organization underwent further structural changes, and in 1997 changed its name to the Caldecott Foundation. An £8m appeal was launched to fund the future accommodation and expansion of Caldecott. In 2002, the foundation's new headquarters were opened at Caldecott House, a large Victorian residence in Smeeth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smeeth). Several residential homes were constructed on its grounds as well as a purpose-built school nearby which opened in 2003. The foundation launched another appeal in 2011, its centenary year. The appeal raised £750,000 which was used to upgrade the foundation's supported accommodation and to set up two vocational training centres.
As of 2018, the foundation's services include therapeutic residential care, emergency and assessment centres, vocational training and education both through tutoring and small classes in their residential care homes or at the Caldecott Foundation School, and fostering placement. The foundation is governed by an eight-member board of trustees whose chairman is Charles Lister OBE.
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John Walker ,
You have completely confused me. Great write up but I cannot find any relevance to where the place is .Googling the Caldicott Foundation /School gives the impression the place is Smeeth,Ashford. Presume as this is Guess the place you would have given the place it is at. I am completely befuzzled ,Put it down to Age. :-[ ??? :-\
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John Walker ,
You have completely confused me. Great write up but I cannot find any relevance to where the place is .Googling the Caldicott Foundation /School gives the impression the place is Smeeth,Ashford. Presume as this is Guess the place you would have given the place it is at. I am completely befuzzled ,Put it down to Age. :-[ ??? :-\
Sorry Grandarog I've just noticed that final paragraph was missing which stated where the GTP location is. I've now added the missing paragraph and attached a map to this post. Red Arrow is where the GTP photo was taken - the Caldecott Foundation HQ. The Blue Arrow is the previous location - Mersham le Hatch where the Foundation was until around 2000. So, Smeeth is the nearest location.
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Thanks John Walker ,all clear now. I thought I was having a senior moment trying to work it out. :)
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Another boozy one!
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The Black Horse at Borough Green. :)
http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Black-Horse-Borough-Green.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Black-Horse-Borough-Green.html)
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Well done, a curious pub -public bar seats were all old bus seats possibly due to the fact it was opposite Borogh Green Bus garage :o
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Thanks Pete .My daughter works at Borough Green.Hers the next one .
Which church or village would you find this Memorial Plaque
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Quick guess - St Mary's Church, Chilham ?
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Not there John.
Take a heading about 315 degrees from Chilham for about 20Kms should get you in the right area.
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Lullingstone Castle private chapel?
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Welcome to GTP Archi93.
Way to far, come back about 35 kms. Swale area.
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Milton Regis chutrch?
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Getting nearer Pete.More rural and about 7kms out.
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Murston Church
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No .Further away South of A2.
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St. James Church, Bicknor ?
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Ospringe Parish Church?
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Gone too far Diapason.
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ss Peter & Paul Lynsted?
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St. Mary`s, Norton?
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St. James Church, Bicknor ?
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JW your message is too small to read :D
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JW your message is too small to read :D
I`ve enlarged it and it reads: St. James Church, Bicknor?
Something strange must have occurred as it was OK a couple of hours ago. :-\
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Well done Pete . I nearly missed your post .Lynsted it is. so many names from a not so large village back then,
Your turn :)
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Stab in the dark too! Showing my past, yet another alky one, still trading
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Maidstone ?
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No, bit South West
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The Black Boy, Sevenoaks?
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Nope! Go South
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Tonbridge?
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warmer ;D
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Tunbridge Wells ?
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That's the easy bit now find the pub!
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I know this one so will let others guess. :)
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The Sussex Arms, Tunbrdige Wells, I believe.
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All yours Dave, Used to have an impressive collection of chamber pots hanging from the ceiling, from the stench in the place most were probably unemptied.Going back some 50 years here! Installed beer there, took twice as long as had to keep going outside for fresh air :o .
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IIRC that's the pub that straddles the county line. When I lived in TW there was a tale going around that if the Kent Police appeared to raid the place for after hours drinking (22:30 closing then), the landlord simply moved customers into the Sussex rooms, and vice versa of course. I'm afraid I can't comment on the accuracy of this, I was a "Bedford" man at the time.
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Thanks Pete, I dont often visit TW as it always seems to take so long to get there. It better off in Sussex I feel.
Anyway, where is this building work going on. Not housing, nor public realm. On GSV clearly.
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Do power lines have a connection [sic] :D
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Power lines? I cannot see any, JW?
Sorry.
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Is it one of the old Marconi Avionics buildings at Rochester Airport being built years ago ?
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You have it, Grandarog. How did you know, out of interest? I was hoping it would last longer but I am among professionals.
GEC Avionics Towers under construction at Rochester.
:)
DTT
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Do power lines have a connection [sic] :D
I thought it might be the old Richborough Power Station building which is being converted to take power in from Belgium.
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Thanks Dave The Train.
I remember going up to the Airfield some time early 1960,s when on leave from RAF. Must have been before 62 as i went to Malta then. The flat building was what I recognised,the big bit with the high bits was only just out of the ground.
I will put next guess up later.
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Back to my Baptism theme,s.Where did I see this lovely Font.
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I`ll let this one `run` granderog. Should be interesting, there must be a font in every church in Kent. I was fortunate enough to have this one on a shot that I took a few years ago.
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Mid Kent somewhere twixt Tonbridge and Ashford :)
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Headcorn ?
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.Bulls eye , Didn't last long... Over to you John Walker.
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.Bulls eye , Didn't last long... Over to you John Walker.
Wow! Thanks Grandarog. That was just a starter guess. I was thinking of St Peter and St Paul Church but couldn't find a photo of the font to be certain.
Next one ....
John
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This fine building still exists. The grounds are surrounded by farmland.
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Is it the building that can be glimpsed from the A2, looking north, just before nearing Canterbury? I think I can remember it being featured on a TV programme, sometime ago.
Somewhere near Bridge?
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Not there Diapason but you're getting warmish. Probably about 5km out. I believe you were thinking of Highland Court?
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Mount Ephraim, Boughton?
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That's the place CAT - well done :)
Over to you ...
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Many thanks John Walker
My next is a pen 'n' wash drawing of a church, but where?
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North Downs, East of Ashford?
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You're to far east Pete.
This church is situated between a large waterway to the north and a major road route to the south. Its location is just north of a main road linking two of Kent's principal town/city
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You're to far east Pete
This church is positioned between a large waterway to the north and a major road route to the south. Immediately to the south is a main road between two of Kent's principal town/city.
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Dartford area?
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St Mary's Chalk
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What I like about this - is you get to know - all those little villages - that you did not know existed.
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Sorry John Walker, but Pete has it. It was indeed St Mary’s Church at Chalk. The pic is dated about 1775-1800, though little has changed apart from the roof of the unusual west tower porch.
Over to you Pete
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An interesting and ancient church. The bells though are something else. The top three are relatively new 1997/8, but the back three are the ones of interest. 4 and 6 were cast by John Wilnar of Borden in 1634 but the gem in the number 5. That one was cast by Thomas de Weston in 1348. Yes, that's not a misprint it is 672 years old and still in use. It could have been heard by Geoffrey Chaucer's pilgrims! The Ringing World article (link below) points out that the bell's first job would have been tolling for the victims of the Black Death in 1349, alarmingly prescient today.
My first memory of Chalk was as inexperienced trainee ringer. As we came down the stair the tower captain drew my attention to the list of bells and their dates. Where else would a trainee be trusted with an instrument of this age? Would you sit your grade 1 exams with a Strad?
- Details of the bells: http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=240
- English heritage entry for the church: https://www.historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1089044
- Write-up in The Ringing World: http://kent.lovesguide.com/articles/chalk1976-11-12.pdf
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Not a pub for a change, original building has been demolished and a des res built in its place. Where & what was it?
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Was it a hospital previously?
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No sir! but a rather (in)famous one nearby
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Was the infamous hospital St Augustines, Chartham?
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No go West
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Maidstone?
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yes, one of the fringe villages or suburbs
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Are we near to the old Oakwood Mental Hospital ?
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Within a country mile or so
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Hermitage Lane ?
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no but getting nearer. Climb over the gate, get on your hands & knees and you'll find BIG clues :D
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Any connection with Oakwood Cemetery ?
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No, not on a B road
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I know this, our first shop was within sight of it when it was used by a garage as their body shop. Unfortunately I’m in the throes of replacing our kitchen, and ‘Er Indoors will take a dim view of me getting distracted!
Stay safe everyone.
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The Coach Yard, Tonbridge Road. Previously a bus/tram depot? Preserved tram lines through the gate?
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Spot on John, there was a corrugated iron hangar there for trams & later trolley buses. Tovil Coachworks took it over in the '70s when it still had tram rails right through and the overhead cables for the trolleys inside the building . Token section of track preserved in the driveway. There was a similar one up the Loose Rd, can't remember exactly where but around the Walnut Tree area. I'm amazed there don't seem to be any pictures on the web of the shed, it was high enough to take the trolleys and their pic ups
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Some of the rails have been preserved inside the new development: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Barming_Tramlines_Sep2009.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Barming_Tramlines_Sep2009.jpg) (photo courtesy of "Clankypup" at English Wikipedia).
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That was a good one Pete. More Kent history learned too.
Next one ....
Where is this lovely rural church?
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All Saints, Hollingbourne?
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That was quick Diapason - how on earth did you manage that? :D
Over to you ....
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The moment I saw it, I knew it was familiar, but had to check with my own photo of 2014.
Here`s one that I think will be just as easy for you.
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St Peter & St Paul Headcorn
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Approx. 30 miles adrift, Pete. Near water.
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It's gone very quiet on here :)
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I`m very surprised that you haven`t guessed this one, John, as I believe it`s very close to your area. It`s a few years since I took this photo, but I believe the church was behind me at the time.
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I guessed it early on but have left it as I've put quite a few up recently. I thought it might be Chilham at first and then the penny dropped. I was there a couple of weeks ago.
If nobody else tries by this evening, I'll put my answer up.
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How about it being St Mary's Church Fordwich?
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Well done CAT!
Over to you.
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Many thanks Diapason
i too was secretly holding back as I worked at the church about two years ago and remembered it very well.
Here is my next, a small ruined parish church drawn towards the close of the eighteenth century, but still surviving today, but where?
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I don`t know this church but will have a stab at it.
Eastbridge on the Romney Marsh?
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I'll take a guess at this one - St Marys Church, West Hythe. Not sure as I can't match the architecture - unless there's been some artistic licence in the drawing.
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I’m afraid you are both at the wrong end of the county John Walker and Diapason. Head northwest(ish) almost towards the waters edge
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Elmley Church?
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It's not Elmley Pete. It's on the Kentish 'mainland' and was a ruin until the early twentieth century when it was restored to full working order, but there is a twist to its full working order.
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St Marys, Burham. In a deserted village?
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St Mary's Church Street Cliffe area?
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Neither of those John Walker and Lutonman. The church is still within its associated village, though this has changes dramatically in the modern age. It is supposed it’s ruination during the mid medieval period caused a new church to be built nearby, itself a very active church.
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Murston?
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Little Chart? The ruins ruined by a V1
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Neither Little Chart, or Murston.
The church is not a ruin now, but was restored in the early twentieth century with links to Dode Chapel. The 'village' it originally accompanied shares its name with another Kent village at the opposite end of the county.[/size][size=78%] [/size]
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Don't know why the size has altered, but should read
'The church is not a ruin now, but was restored[size=0px] [/size][/size]in the early twentieth century with links to Dode Chapel. The 'village' it originally accompanied shares its name with another Kent village at the opposite end of the county'.[size=0px]
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St Benedict's Church, Paddlesworth ?
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Your heading the right way John Walker. I can see your thinking, but you have to be heading further north
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How about the New Covenant Church, Denton, Gravesend ?
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That's its current name following its rededication back to the Catholic faith after its restoration in 1940. Thought to date from approx. 1100, its link with Dode chapel was a Mr Arnold, who restored both Dode and this church, which was originally the parish church of Denton (other Denton is between Canterbury and Dover). Originally dedicated to St Mary, it had fallen into ruin by the sixteenth century after the village shrunk/moved. By the later fourteenth century a new church dedicated to SS Peter & Paul had been built, literally up the road, sealing the fate of St Mary's even further. The view I posted was from the late eighteenth century from the north looking south with the arch being the chancel arch with the ruined chancel to the left.
Well done John Walker, over to you
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Any chance of a bit more info Cat? Searching on the Internet I've found the New Covenant Church, Gravesend branch which is in Dunkirk Close. Then there's the New Covenant Church, Gravesend on Rochester Road, just opposite St. John's RC primary school. Trouble is, according to Google that one is Pentecostal, again not RC. Google also turns up a reference to Holy Family Church, Palmer Ave, Gravesend which is thinks is the same as the Rochester Road one. I'm confused!
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The church today is known as St Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Denton, Gravesend. If you head east along the A266 (East Milton Road) from St Peter & St Paul's Church, Miltonit rapidly turns south and becomes Rochester Road. Carry on along here for a very short distance and the church is on the northern side of the road just before the turning for Denton Court Road and opposite St john's R.C. Primary Road. I also have another external view of the same date (late eighteenth century) showing the chancel east end if you are interested?
Happy hunting Martin R
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Thanks Cat, I thought that that would be the one. Goodness only knows why Google Maps thinks it's Pentecostal though. The other New Covenant Church is a total red herring, it seems to have grown out of Nigeria and then moved to the UK. The enclosed link may be of interest, in the gallery it includes pictures of the chancel arch.
https://taking-stock.org.uk/building/gravesend-st-mary-chapel-of-ease/
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Thanks CAT - a very interesting one and not easy to find. The church at Paddlesworth fitted your clues quite well with the exception of being near water. Had connections with Dode and there's a Paddlesworth both ends of the county and the church is similar. I thought I'd cracked it with that one :)
Next one ..
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The Hufflers Arms, Dartford?
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Sorry about that John Walker, i guess you fell into the 'old ruined churches and chapels of Kent and double named villages' trap that we all do at some time.
Seems your next one follows a similar tradition of the double named villages?
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CAT ;D
Diapason, not Dartford - wrong end of county.
Has WW2 connections.
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The story goes that it was originally named The Red Lion.
Tally Ho chaps
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Is that a clue, JW? If so is it something like the hare and hounds, or Huntsman? No idea of location, however.
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Hi DTT - Yes it's a subtle clue but not fox hunting use of the phrase. This pub does have a rather unusual name and of course the WW2 connection is important.
Chocks away!
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Mayfly Hawkinge?
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Biggin Hill - "The Old Jail" or "The Aperfield Inn" seem to fit the clues.
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I am amazed at the name of villages - that appear from time to time - latest - Paddlesworth. ?
I must get out more - after ? - But did you know there was another Paddlesworth in Kent.
Situated near Snodland - 6+ miles from Rochester ?
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Wrong end of the county Diapason :)
You are on the right lines Pete :)
Castle261 ;)
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Cat & Custard Pot Paddlesworth . How many pubs have got a bomb outside? http://www.dover-kent.com/Cat-and-Custard-Pot-Paddlesworth.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/Cat-and-Custard-Pot-Paddlesworth.html)
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Well done Pete
Lots on interest about this pub. Hope to visit some next year.
Over to you ...
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Thanks JW, try this one
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I'll stand back on this one Pete. I have the same photo in my family tree but I'm not giving any clues away :) .
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Thanks John, maybe if no one gets it in a couple of days feel free.
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Pantiles Tunbridge Wells?
Alec.
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West Kent General Hospital, Maidstone.
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All yours Diapason, WKH indeed now demolished and look alike
hutches er Des Res in place of it
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The reason I held back on this one is that my Great Grandfather passed away in there at the young age of 37. His name is George Impett, born in Ickham Village 1870. He was the head gardener at Roydon Hall. Despite much searching, I have been unable to locate his grave.
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John, I'm probably teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but have you see Kent Archeological's monumental inscriptions data? https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/research/monumental-inscriptions
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This one shouldn`t last long!
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Near the River Medway ?
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A few miles from water - the Swale. Rural !
The name of this church is frequently misspelt.
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On Sheppey?
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On the mainland, ME post code.
An unusual view - the blocked arch attracted me. Possible war damage ?
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Looking for a church which could have a mis-spelt name. all seem easy spelling so far. How about St Catherine's Church (Katherines)
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No, not St. Catherine`s, Faversham. A bit further up the A2. The last time I went there, the tower was dotted with holes made by woodpeckers (you may remember that from the `old` forum).
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St Margaret of Antioch at Lower Halstow
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Too far up and the wrong side of the A2, Pete.
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St John's Bredgar?
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St Laurence's Church, Bapchild ?
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Yes! That`s the one John. Sometimes misspelt as Lawrence.
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Thanks Diapason. I missed that one in my first searches so your extra clues helped.
Next one ...
What's the name of this small village?
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The road ahead is running roughly parallel to a winding waterway.
There is a church further along the road ahead on the right hand side.
There are two pubs in this village.
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East Kent?
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Bethersden area?
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Not East Kent Cat. - Move West
Not Bethersden Diapason - Move NNE
Nature Reserve fairly close
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Must be Hothfield with a nature reserve
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Not Hothfield Pete - keep heading roughly NNE
The road ahead is a dead end with a car park.
"That was loud!"
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Challock ?
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Diapason - You need to head due North for quite some distance.
There was a disaster near the end of that road ahead in the early 20th century.
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Sheldwich?
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Not Sheldwich Lutonman
Keep heading North. It's a dead end road that heads north passing beside a nature reserve. From the end of the road you can see an island.
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Is it a coastal village, Oare one of the others?
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It is the Junction of "Church Road" and "The Street" At Oare,Faversham. The Three Mariners is on your right when you took the photo.church Road leadsto Oare Marshes Nature Reserve.
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I'm not sure who gets this. CAT mentioned the correct location but Grandrog got the exact location.
The road leads to the mainland end of the Harty Ferry. To the left of that location was the vast Uplees gunpowder works where there was an explosion that killed over 100 men. There was also a narrow gauge railway that ran under the road a bit further along from where the photo was taken.
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By all means, if grandarog is ready to go with the next one, then please let it go to him
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Thanks CAT - I wasn't sure what to do.
Over to you Grandarog ...
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Thank you Cat.
I hadn't noticed your post until I had typed my guess.
Next one . Where did I spot this Magnificent, double braked,Marine Winch 10 years ago.
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Dolphin Barge Museum
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Good Guess Pete,No
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The Quay at Lower Halstow ?
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Not Lower Halstow or Upchurch :)
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The Dockyard Museum, Chatham? Looks like it could come from one of the PAS (dockyard) craft.
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Not there shoot999 :)
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Standard Quay, Faversham Creek?
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Conyer?
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Ramsgate Maritime Museum at the Clock Tower
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Try Headcorn Airport Museum - seems the only place NOT tried ?
P. A.S. (dockyard) - Port Axillary Ship or Service ?
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It looks similar to the winches you see on the front of some tugs.
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Try Headcorn Airport Museum - seems the only place NOT tried ?
P. A.S. (dockyard) - Port Axillary Ship or Service ?
Port Auxiliary Service. Changed to Royal Maritime Auxiliary mid 70s. Privatised in 96 and currently run by Serco in the remaining Dockyards/Naval Bases.
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Time for a clue. The winch was not at its own home. Carpet may help .
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Sittingbourne Museum
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On the Thames ?
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No ..
Further clue. The Winch was the centre piece showcasing Dolphin Barge Museum at an event.
You need to find where it was.
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Kent Show Detling ?
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Well Done John Walker. It was the eye catcher for the Dolphin Barge Museum Stand in the main Exhibition hall at The Kent County Show.
Over to you yet again. Hopefully we will gradually attract more guessers as time goes by.
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Was the winch off PS Amos, or am I confusing it with a different stand?
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Martin R ,I cant remember it was 10 years ago. :) The Dolphin Barge Museum could tell you they have it.
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Unlikely, Dolphin museum burnt down and closed several years ago. I think it was arson. >:(
There was one outfit at the show some years back that had a tug (or similar) moored against the dockyard wall, and also had access to PS Amos. I can't remember who now, but they gave me and interesting tour way back when. I go past the Amos every time I go out to my boat, and a sad sight she is to behold.
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Thanks Grandarog. Until your recent clue I was just 'trawling' the actual museums. Seeing the fact that it was on a pallet, I then guessed it wasn't a permanent display. An amazingly powerful looking lump of machinery.
Next one ..... No clues to start with in case someone can get it without.
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MartinR, Heres the Stand it was on.
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Thx, not the lot I was thinking of. IIRC the Dolphin yard burnt down around 2005-2010. It used to be a lovely little museum run by a "right character". They were responsible for keeping SB Cambria in a halfway reasonable condition until the trust could be formed and raise enough money to preserve her. Happy memories of a younger, fitter, me hanging over the wheel house painting both the wheelhouse and myself!
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Is the farmyard track the access to the church?
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St Mary's Lower Higham
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Quick reply to MartinR (dont want to hijack the thread ).
https://www.visit-swale.co.uk/visit-swale-blog/raybel-and-dolphin-barge-museum-return-to-sittingbourne/https://www.visit-swale.co.uk/visit-swale-blog/raybel-and-dolphin-barge-museum-return-to-sittingbourne/ (https://www.visit-swale.co.uk/visit-swale-blog/raybel-and-dolphin-barge-museum-return-to-sittingbourne/)
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Is the farmyard track the access to the church?
CAT - It's not the official route to the church but it looks like it might be used as parking for the church and entering from there.
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St Mary's Lower Higham
Not there Pete. You need to head SE.
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St. Martin`s, Aldington.
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St. Martin`s, Aldington.
spot on Diapason - How on earth did you find it so quickly! :D
Over to you ....
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It is a very distinctive tower and farmyard setting
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St. Martin`s, Aldington.
spot on Diapason - How on earth did you find it so quickly! :D
Over to you ....
Although I recognised it immediately, my failing memory took a few hours to recall its location. There seems to be quite a number of these churches in Kent situated, or next door to, farmyards ie. Badlesmere, Luddenham, Goodnestone etc.
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Apologies for the delay in putting up another GTP
Where would you find this?
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Ickham Church
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Spot on in 25 minutes - incredible!
Your turn, Pete.
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Is that a record? another boozy one, still trading
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I thought I recognised it but its not the one I thought of. So... East Kent?
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West
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Tunbridge Wells area ?
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NNE of T Wells
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Still searching. Hadlow area?
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further N
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How about The Green Man, New Ash Green ?
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Fair enough, I would call it Hodsall St but guess they are the same-all yours
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Thanks Pete, You're right it's Hodsall Street. When you look at the pub in street view, it says New Ash Green at the top so it looks like Google has it wrong.
Nice looking pub but a bit too far away for me to visit.
Next one ...
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Sevenoaks area?
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That's Knole House Sevenoaks isn't it?
Alec.
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Sorry Invicta Alec. Too far west. :)
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Chilham?
Edit. Or is it Chartwell?
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Then its Ightham Moat manor house!
Alec.
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Still too far west Invicta Alec
Diapason - you are closest with Chilham.
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Private house, or school/institution?
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Private house, or school/institution?
Residential and multiple occupancy.
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Can be seen on GSV.
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New build (within the last 20 years)?
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Godinton House?
Alec.
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Godinton House?
Not Goldington IA. Not a stately home.
Alec.
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New build (within the last 20 years)?
Mid 19th century CAT
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I would guess this could be known as The West Wing of the building. Certainly at the western end anyway.
Most of the front elevation can be seen on GSV - partly obscured by mature trees.
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Railway station within half a kilometre. Small waterway fairly close.
It's very possible that many members have passed within 100 mtrs of this building.
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ME post code :)
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At least one well known celebrity lives fairly close.
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Faversham area?
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Faversham area?
Yes Pete 😊
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Preston Lea Hall Faversham
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Preston Lea Hall Faversham
Getting closer Pete. This property is around three times bigger than Preston Lea Hall.
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I reckon you have taken an obscure and unusual view of a wing of the Faversham Alms Houses. Probably from Tanner Street.
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I reckon you have taken an obscure and unusual view of a wing of the Faversham Alms Houses. Probably from Tanner Street.
Well done Grandrog. Yes, the photo was taken from Tanner Street. It's got to be one of the largest alms-houses in the country?
The yellow/red circle is where the photo was taken from.
The Almshouses in Faversham - Faversham Life (https://favershamlife.org/faversham-almshouses/)
Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker. That was good one. I knew it and had been holding back from day one but as it didn't seem to be going anywhere, I jumped in.
Where did I spot this elaborate triptych.
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John/Grandarog. Most interesting, there must be a bit of history attached to those almshouses for, as you say, they must be the biggest in the country and cost a lot of money to build. Was there a local benefactor or was Faversham quite rich in those days?
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John/Grandarog. Most interesting, there must be a bit of history attached to those almshouses for, as you say, they must be the biggest in the country and cost a lot of money to build. Was there a local benefactor or was Faversham quite rich in those days?
The Almshouses in Faversham - Faversham Life (https://favershamlife.org/faversham-almshouses/)
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Where did I spot this elaborate triptych.
Adisham area ?
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Not there. ME postcode.
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A Faversham church?
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Bill Jones. Rather than be frustrated by the knowledge of members on the " G the P" thread, go to google- John W's suggestion is on there- & read about these places, you will end up with more knowledge of the place than most of the current inhabitants. And, like these almshouse, it really can be interesting history.
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West of Faversham :)
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Lynsted?
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Not Lynsted , further west. Diaperson You should know this one. :)
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Either Aylesford Priory or Rochester Cathedral?
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No Too far West of Lynsted now.
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St John the Baptist, Tunstall ?
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You've done it again John Walker .It is the Triptych above the War Memorial Board in the Church.
Thought Diapason would have jumped in on this one..
Over to you. :)
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I don`t know how I missed that one. I`ve just found it among my collection of church photos.
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You've done it again John Walker .It is the Triptych above the War Memorial Board in the Church.
Thought Diapason would have jumped in on this one..
Over to you. :)
Well, that was in the true spirit of the title of this thread - GUESS the place. It really was a guess so how lucky was that. Mind you, the clues really helped.
Next one ...
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St Rumwold's Church, Bonnington?
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St Rumwold's Church, Bonnington?
That was quick CAT :) - Over to you.
Rumwold was a seventh-century saint about whom very little is known, and there are only eight churches dedicated to him in England. Bonnington is a small two-cell church of great charm which stands on the banks of the Royal Military Canal. The building is of fourteenth-century appearance which resulted from a major reconstruction of a Saxo-Norman original. The east wall contains three Norman windows. There is no difference between floor level in nave and chancel, which creates a homely and less mysterious feel. On the north side of the chancel arch is a small image niche, above which is a bracket which would have supported the rood beam. On the south side is an enormous pulpit with a large sounding board, whilst over the chancel arch is a large Royal Arms of George III dated 1774. The north-west window contains fragments of medieval glass, including three little heads, whilst the small bell turret is supported at the west end of the church by an enormous wooden construction.
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Many thanks John Walker
An intriguing little church with an unusual dedication. It is reputedly dedicated after Rumwold, one of three sons of the King of Mercia, who cried 'Christianus Sum' at his birth and subsequently died three days later.
Though this is 'Guess the Place', here is my next, but what is its significance with mapping the country?
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I`m fairly certain the church is St. Mary Magdalene, Ruckinge but I have resorted to `Wiki` to discover that it was used as a sighting point to calculate the distance between the Royal Greenwich Observatory and the Paris Observatory.
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You are right with the church, and partially correct with the eventual sightings between Greenwich and Paris. Prior to this, there was a further sequence of measurements that aided in mapping the UK.
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Read further on Wiki Diapason and it is there, though not its full significance.
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I wonder if it is not so forthcoming?
Whilst Diapason definitely got the correct church (as is the point of 'Guess the Place'), so I'm more than willing to let him take the reigns.
However, the significance of the Romney Marsh sight line (extending from adjacent to Ruckinge churchyard to the coast just south of Dymchurch) of the Greenwich - Paris survey was that it subsequently went on to form the primary base line for the initial triangle upon which all other triangulations were taken. It was these triangles, extending from designated point to points (known as triganomical points (trig points to those familiar to mapping), which enabled the first accurately mapped survey of the entire United Kingdom to be produced. Though all the legwork was undertaken by Major-General William Roy, he died (1st July 1790) before the completion of the mapping had occurred under artillery officer William Mudge. It was his final maps that became known as the real 1st Edition Ordnance survey (known as the Mugde Maps) with Kent being produced in 1801.
Over to you Diapason
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Thanks CAT!
Here`s one that I didn`t know existed until a few years ago.
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Not a lot to go on but how about East Kent ?
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Is the roof stripped of tiles or is it the image quality?
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John! Yes, East Kent.
Pete! When I took this photo, I think the tiles were intact. The poor quality is due to my clumsy editing.
Here`s another view from Google Earth which doesn`t appear to improve the quality.
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From that angle it looks like it has no tower?
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No tower; Grade II listed; built in 1881; closed in 2000; sold for £345,000 in 2012.
I always thought there was something odd about this church but hadn`t realised the tower was missing! :-\
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I think that would be the old St Johns Church at Upper Brents in Faversham . :)
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I thought that you would know that one Granderog!
If I remember correctly it appeared a few times on the`old forum`.
Over to you
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Thanks .I knew I had seen it somewhere,but didn,t click until your Clue. I remember it being sold.
Staying with the Churchy theme try this one . Wheres this and the name of Church please.
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St. Martins in Herne?
Alec.
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Swale ?
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Neither head further West.
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I can't find that lych gate in my searches so need to narrow the search. Sevenoaks area? :)
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Medway?
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Alkham?
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You all need to race further West from Medway. Very loosely Sevenoaks area.
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West Kingsdown area?
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St. Martin`s, Brasted?
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West Kingsdown ,nearest so far.
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St Martin of Tours Church, Eynsford ?
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Spot on John Walker. Here,s the Full picture taken from the ford.
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Thanks Grandarog
I finally picked up on your subtle clue (you all need to race further west from Medway..... ) Brands Hatch area?
Next one folks ... Where is this distinctive bridge?
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Clue time:
A busy 'A' road that used to be even busier is behind the camera position. The rail line on the bridge is still in daily use. The line does not slope as it appears in the photo. It's level. There is a rail tunnel aprox 800 metres to the right.
The road passes over a river after the bridge.
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Beyond the bridge is a connection with at least two famous artists, an English poet and engraver, British Royalty, a French Statesman, Parliament, the USSR and the peace treaty with Japan.
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Mid Kent. This view can easily be seen on GSV.
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To narrow down location. Just north of A20/M20?
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To narrow down location. Just north of A20/M20?
Good question. The bridge is about 1km south of the M20 and fractionally south of the A20. That should narrow it down.
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I think I have the location, but am struggling to get the personality associations. If someone beats me to it, then well done them.
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I`ve been trying to fit in William Blake (of "Jerusalem" fame), but failed. So it`s back to the drawing board.
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Can someone clarity that guessing the place correctly means you win and its your turn. The ancillary questions are just for fun?
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Can someone clarity that guessing the place correctly means you win and its your turn. The ancillary questions are just for fun?
Hi Shoot999.
My understanding is that guessing the correct place/location of the photo is enough to win. The rest are clues to help find it and to add any interest.
There is also a subtle seasonal connection ;)
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I'm very aware of the point to GTP shoot999, however, I also enjoy the challenge of clarifying as many of the clues as possible of which John Walker is very good at supplying. The place is the the railway bridge over the entrance driveway to Turkey Court and Turkey Mill, from the Ashford Road (A20) on the eastern outskirts of Maidstone. I assume the associated personalities in John Walker's clues relate to the former owners of Turkey Court and the paper mill adjacent?
I'm sure John Walker will furnish us with the answers?
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Well done CAT. Over to you...
Here's a brief history of the mill which will explain my clues. The seasonal clue was of course TURKEY mill. the mill is just through the bridge. Many of the original buildings appear to have survived. Now a busy industrial estate.
Turkey Mill and Whatman's Paper.
Whatman's invention of wove paper without lines running through the structure. J Whatman's wove paper was stronger than laid paper as it was thicker throughout the entire sheet. Visible laid lines are areas where there is less paper material; the lighter areas are where the paper is thinner than the darker areas. In addition it was soaked in a gluey gelatin bath of cooked up hoofs and bones which made it extremely strong and less absorbent. The strength of this type of paper and the strong gelatine sizing allowed paint to move easily over its surface and multiple layers could be applied and then wiped, scratched, or scraped away without damaging the surface of the paper. These complicated subtractive techniques were brought to the highest level of virtuosity by J M W Turner who worked regularly on Whatman paper. In 1739 war broke out between France and Spain which stopped the importing of fine notepaper from the continent. The war ended in 1748 but by then English papermakers had secured the market. At the time of Whatman’s death in 1759, J Whatman had become the largest paper producer in the country. Unusually, James Whatman's widow, Ann, continued to run the mill until their son, also called James, reached 21. Like his father he too was associated with many important developments in the field of papermaking; the use of blue smalts (a ground blue potassium glass containing cobalt) to improve the brightness of white paper and the use of chlorine to bleach coloured rags. James Whatman (the Younger) also introduced the use of metal 'Hollander' beaters to reduce the high power consumption synonymous with the crucial stage of fibre treatment in beaters. Under his leadership, Turkey Mill’s importance continued to grow until the name of Whatman was respected around the world. As early as the 1760’s when wove paper was not yet widely available to artists, Thomas Gainsborough was anxious to use it for his watercolours. In 1767 he wrote to bookseller James Dodsley in hope of obtaining some “it being what I have long been in search of for making wash’d Drawings upon … There is so little impression of the wires, and those so very fine, that the surface is like vellum” Later Gainsborough wrote, “I beg you to accept my sincerest thanks for the favour you have done me concerning the paper for drawings. I had set my heart upon getting some of it, as it is so completely what I have long been in search of... upon my honour I would give a guinea a quire for a dozen quires of it”. Whatman paper was used by JMW Turner, John Robert Cozens, John Sell Cotman and Cornelius Varley. William Blake used it for four of his illuminated books, the public being informed that they were printed on “the most beautiful wove paper that could be procured”. Many of the watercolour masterpieces in the early nineteenth century are on paper bearing the “J. Whatman” or “J. Whatman/Turkey Mill” watermarks. Throughout history Heads of State and world leaders have shown a particular penchant for Whatman paper. Napoleon used Whatman paper for writing his will; George Washington signed many state documents on Whatman paper and Queen Victoria chose Whatman for her personal correspondence. In the 1930’s Soviet leaders used Whatman paper to publish their five year plan for the future of the USSR, while the peace treaty with Japan was signed on Whatman paper at the close of World War II.
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Many thanks John Walker, and very informative despite the fact I once worked there when the site was in the process of being converted into the industrial park, so I recognised the entrance under the railway bridge.
My next probably won't last long as it's a popular idyllic view from Kent. Don't be swayed by the colouring of the pic, which is applied by hand to an earlier black 'n' white picture of the late nineteenth century.
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Just to add a snippet to John's excellent piece; generations of schoolboys and lab staff regarded Whatman filters as the ONLY filter paper worth keeping in the lab.
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That looks like the river with Loose in the background. Might be wrong as have'nt been there since the 1970's for a Wedding at the Church.
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That`s definitely All Saints, Loose, nr. Maidstone.
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You are both right with the view looking west from the bottom of Old Loose Hill along the former Loose Mill pond with All Saints church to the left. I've included a Streetview similar to show how much the mill pond has been reduced.
I guess it passes to grandarog as he was first in line
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Thanks Cat.
Lets see who can find in which Village Churchyard this Memorial stands.
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Quick guess - Chiddingstone?
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Quick, No.
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Farningham?
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Is that a mausoleum, or charnel house in the background?
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In the churchyard of St Peter and St Paul Church, Farningham ?
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That,s it.
Diapason got it first at 08.16 .
Yes it is the Mausoleum Cat.
Sorry John Walker you were to late.
Your turn,Diapason.
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Farningham?
Sorry Diapason - I missed your post and carried on searching - it's an age thing :D :D :D
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Farningham?
Sorry Diapason - I missed your post and carried on searching - it's an age thing :D :D :D
I know exactly what you mean, John. I`m still struggling to come to terms with it.
Here`s one that Grandarog should know.
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St Margaret’s, Hucking?
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Gosh, that was quick!
Over to you.
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I'm having a day off from the never ending kitchen fitting, and thought I recognised it. Actually I was a village out (Bicknor), but that was soon sorted.
We spent the odd hour or two in the Hook and Hatchet at Hucking back in my yoof. Was there an old portable steam engine (think traction engine without any drive) in the car park? Late sixties for context.
Next one, clearly on GSV - you can even go through it down to the dead end.
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Adjacent to a B-road, a railway and a river.
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South west of Maidstone ?
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Yes JW, the Medway, one of the few places where road, rail and river are close enough.
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The road down to Nettlestead Place ?
Looks a great place for a visit. Anyone know if it's open to the public (in non-Covid times) ?
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That’s correct JW, Nettlestead Place.
They were a customer, so I have been in some of the back stairs areas. Very interesting, but not open back then. It was a wedding venue, maybe it will be again.
Over to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer. I was originally looking in the wrong area but not too far away. Teston/West Farleigh area where there's also a B road river and railway line in close proximity.
Next one ..... Shouldn't be too difficult.
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That would be the western end wall of St John the Baptist's church, Smallhythe?
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That would be the western end wall of St John the Baptist's church, Smallhythe?
Well done CAT - nice and quick :) .
Right next to Smallhythe Place.
Over to you ...
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Sorry for the delay. Many thanks John Walker, a very distinctive west end of a church that one.
Here is my next, but where is this 'elf n safety' mishap?
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Don't know where your accident was Cat but that certainly was one unlucky steam roller. KO1781
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Where and when was the one in your photo grandarog?
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Isn't that the same accident, just shot from the other side?
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The road alongside All Saints Church, Maidstone? Possibly named The Horseway?
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Picture of KO1781 was at Tovil.
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It is indeed alongside All Saints Church, Maidstone, so John Walker has it.
With regards to the two images, yes it does appear that there are the same incident as pointed out by Martin R. This is one of a series of pics in my collection.
Interesting to see how a sepia image can give the impression of it being older than it actually is. The 'incident' is recorded as being in the first few years of the 1950s (approx. 1950-52). With regards to the number on the roller, i think it shows on my image to be KO1761 and not KO 1781 as suggested by grandarog. This might show it having a different location to Tovil as mentioned by grandarog later on.
Look closer at the open door to the shed to the left of the roller on my image. Two very disapproving 'men in suits' looking on the the sheds gloomy protection :)
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If you go to https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2703976,0.5220675,3a,75y,314.17h,83.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slunZ7KHhQufQKDpOVnGznQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 you can see the three bollards that are just behind the roller. The window tracery and base of the tower also match All Saints' Maidstone. That's why I assumed that they were both the same incident down by the college.
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Thanks CAT. The architecture immediately made me think of Maidstone. I initially headed for the palace just down the road.
I guess there's a story to go with these images. Did the crane arrive to rescue the roller and then collapse into the trench as well ?
Next one ...
What place do these steps lead to ?
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I think that if I went up them, they would take me straight to A&E :D
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I think that if I went up them, they would take me straight to A&E :D
There are more steps after this flight. :o
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Dover Castle?
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Dover Castle?
Not Dover Castle Pete - but very much the right part of Kent.
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Western Heights leading to Grand shaft
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Western Heights leading to Grand shaft
This pathway starts in Albany Place (not far from the Dover Museum). It starts off on a steep track beside allotments and then arrives at this staircase. It continues up on many more steps to the Drop Redoubt on the right fork or round to the Grand Shaft by the left fork. This is one hell of an upward route. You can follow it on GSV. Better to drive to the car park at the top :D if you plan a visit.
Over to you Pete.
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Thanks, only places I could think of with wide steps. Another dead pub for you. Any of it's various names will do ;)
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East Kent ?
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West Kent
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Tunbridge wells area?
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ME Postcode
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London side of the River Medway ?
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The old ` FOX & HOUNDS ` off Ordnance St. Chatham
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JW-sort of, Castle 261 go south west
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Just a guess, but the Victory in Hoo. I have not see it for years, but it looks similar.
Dave
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See reply above for Castle 261
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Yalding area ?
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North of there
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The two coordinates intersect at the Snodland area roughly. No luck yet..
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JW you're well within 5 Km
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Wateringbury?
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North of Wateringbury, Ruby Murray has a connection
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Black Boy, Halling ?
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still too far north
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It was The Walnut Tree at Ditton when I lived in Larkfield in the late seventies. Now an Indian restaurant.
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Indeed it was, later briefly a cocktail bar then Spatts2 (a sports bar with video wall)- Spatts 1 sports bar was the Angel Strood.
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Thanks Pete. Sorry for delay, we lost our water to a burst main just up the road (again), all OK now but road still closed.
Next one, where was this useful tea wagon in action?
Clue, it was not at a re-enactment. Site is historic.
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RAF Hawkinge?
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Not there Alec.
Historic venue, unrelated event, and go west.
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Would that be at a County Show at Detling Showground on the old airfield.
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It was all to do with the first of my interests according to my pieces in the Personal Memories thread.
Not the County Show grandarog.
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Biggin Hill?
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Afraid not JW. Too far west.
Quite near water.
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GTP has been to this location, or at least various parts of it, a few times.
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To keep domestic peace, I will next check this on 26th. Merry Christmas to all involved.
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Hop Farm at Beltring?
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Further East - she’s not watching yet 8)
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Classic Car Show, Headcorn ?
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It was a car show, but a more historic location, and more water. You could follow the water from Headcorn?
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Classic Car Meet at The Woolpack, Yalding ?
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Keep paddling...
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Penshurst?
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By the Twyford Bridge in Yalding ?
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Not Penshurst, and you need to paddle a lot more JW, some miles...
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A classic car event at Nettlestead Place ?
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Closer to the Medway Towns or Maidstone?
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Twixt the two...shoot 999
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Not narrowing it down any further, but if its the one I'm thinking of it is still being used as a mobile canteen and can be hired out for all types of events. One being the Queen's 90th Birthday celebrations at Windsor Castle.
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Museum of Kent Life just outside Maidstone ?
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JW is very close, within a couple of miles I guess. Just keep paddling that boat a bit further.
Much visited site, the van was at a car show in a field next to the car park.
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Loads of Pictures of The NAAFI Van GGX 765 on here .
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22GGX765+NAAFI+VAN%22&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjL1MT1xOvtAhUB9OAKHayABS0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=%22GGX765+NAAFI+VAN%22&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoECCMQJ1DlhwFYuqUBYMW9AWgAcAB4AIABU4gBjAGSAQEymAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=0B3nX8usKIHogwesgZboAg&bih=540&biw=854&hl=en-GB#imgrc=4eyV-hWCj6jvPM (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22GGX765+NAAFI+VAN%22&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjL1MT1xOvtAhUB9OAKHayABS0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=%22GGX765+NAAFI+VAN%22&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoECCMQJ1DlhwFYuqUBYMW9AWgAcAB4AIABU4gBjAGSAQEymAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=0B3nX8usKIHogwesgZboAg&bih=540&biw=854&hl=en-GB#imgrc=4eyV-hWCj6jvPM)
You might even be able to find where the GTP Was Taken
:)
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I think that just leaves Aylesford Priory ?
I hope it is - my arms are aching with all that paddling ;D ;D ;D
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You made it JW, it was one of the classic, ford and kit car shows there. Sadly missed this year, hopefully back soon. Even the live band was suitably vintage - Chicory Tip.
Over to you
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Thanks Johnfilmer - that was a trek ;D
I believe Chickory Tip was a Maidstone based band. When I had my music shop in Canterbury we had a lot of dealings with Eric Snowball who had a very successful music shop in Maidstone. He had connections with Chickory Tip as I recall. Good times.
Next one .... should be an easy one...
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within a 10 mile circle from Doddington?
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Just adding to John Walkers previous post.
Yes Chicory Tip were a Maidstone group.
I knew Rod Cloutt when we were teenagers. He played with my then boyfriend at our local youth club in Gillingham .
Sadly he passed away in Australia in 2017.
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Just adding to John Walkers previous post.
Yes Chicory Tip were a Maidstone group.
I knew Rod Cloutt when we were teenagers. He played with my then boyfriend at our local youth club in Gillingham .
Sadly he passed away in Australia in 2017.
Thanks for the confirmation Lyn L. Might be worth starting a new thread as there could be a lot of interest. the nearest category I can find is under Leisure - Nightclubs and Dancehalls which doesn't quite fit. Perhaps we need a category for Bands and Entertainers
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within a 10 mile circle from Doddington?
Nearer to 16 miles from Doddington. Very close to water.
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John Walker. Agree with you there, another category. I was going to put on a bit of KH about John Boulter, we were friends at Gillingham County School back in the early/mid 40's & he became world famous with the Black & White Minstrals, but I didn't know where he belonged?
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Salt water or fresh?
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Salt water or fresh?
I would guess mainly fresh but might have a hint of salt a couple of times a day.....
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Halling?
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Halling?
Yes - Halling it is Pete. Church of St John The Baptist with the remains of the Bishop of Rochester's palace behind.
Over to you ..
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OK, not a pub for a change!!! :o
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Military (former?)
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I always thought it had been a TA Drill hall but certainly wasn't when we lived in the area in 1968 (same/similar use then as now)and is shown on postwar OS as a drill hall
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NHS related?
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yes
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Nurses home :P ?
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no
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Mental health unit?
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not exactly.
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Edenbridge ?
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Police HQ, Sutton Road, Maidstone?
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None of them, ME postcode
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Gotcha I think.
Crown Quay Lane, Sittingbourne, opposite SMC garage by the roundabout to Eurolink.
Sign says "The Quays" - no idea!
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Re: Reply #3270 on: November 26, 2020, 09:13:51 PM
Back in November there was a short discussion involving a winch and the PS Amos was mentioned. I looked for her today as we were coming up to moor, and the barge she was on is still there, but empty.
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Looks familiar, Sittingbourne area?
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John Filmer-spot on The Quays homeless accomadtion. Was previously know as Sittingbourne Reception Centre and a Drill Hall before that. I thought it was nearer the road than now
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I have spent a considerable time sitting in the queue for the lights, wondering what that building is - now I know.
At school in Sittingbourne throughout the sixties, Crown Quay Lane was always Cranky Lane to the locals.
Another church this time
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When I enlarged the photo I smiled - as I noticed THE FACE - the TWO EYES - then CLOCK for the
Nose - the TOWER - the HAT -------------- What was the question ?
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I'm glad it's not only me that saw the face :D
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I like the face ;D
Swale area ?
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Swale it is...
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I have spent a considerable time sitting in the queue for the lights, wondering what that building is - now I know.
At school in Sittingbourne throughout the sixties, Crown Quay Lane was always Cranky Lane to the locals.
Another church this time
Ditto!!! but you beat me to it, John.
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Swale it is...
Sheppey ?
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Not Sheppey
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That's the Church of St Peter and Paul at Newnham. You may remember I posted the Delaune Cycling Club memorial plaque on the outer wall of the church as a GTP .
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It certainly is Newnham grandarog. Local knowledge is wonderful - how else would I have got the last GTP?
Over to you
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Thanks John Walker. Here's a different one .
Where did I find these two upstanding Gentlemen?
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K&ESR?
A privilege to be confused with the great JW - just shows you why I was always known as Filmer at school - too many Johns ::)
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Whoops :-[ Sorry, John Filmer so used to answering eminent John Walker ,the fingers went onto autopilot.Glad you took it as a compliment !to the,another senior moment or Prosecco storm :)
Not Kent and East Sussex Railway.
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Sittingbourne & Kemsley LR
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Bredgar & Wormshill Railway?
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The secret railway in the woods ?
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That didn't last long .Pete has it , :)
Sittingbourne and Kemsley Light Railway.
I think its the best value for money along with the Bredgar &Wormshill set up.If you haven't been to either worth a day out after we are released from covid purgatory.
Your turn Pete.
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The railway was still active when I worked at Kemsley around 1968, 2 types of locos, one conventional fired and the other for use inside the mill was run on stored high pressure superheated steam which they drew off from fixtures in the mill. Another boozy one for you
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West Kent ?
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yes
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I worked in Sittingbourne Mill summer 69 and the railway was in use, but not a lot. Modernisation was the thing, part of my time was spent humping things about during the computerisation of number 4 machine. So a steam railway was an old fashioned throwback.
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Chiddingstone area ?
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East of.
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Vauxhall Inn, Tonbridge ?
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Yes indeed, all yours JW Used to be famous for Pie&Pie. A slab of meat pie and a slab of mixed vegetable pie cut from a large tray
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Yes indeed, all yours JW Used to be famous for Pie&Pie. A slab of meat pie and a slab of mixed vegetable pie cut from a large tray
Thanks Pete
I remember eating in there many years ago but couldn't place it for a while.
Next one ...
Which historical house is this glass house in the grounds of ? Clues might be needed ...
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Walmer Castle?
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Seems to remember this from the other GTP. But that's all I remember!
Has it a connection to a well known figure?
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Walmer Castle?
Head West Stewie :)
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Seems to remember this from the other GTP. But that's all I remember!
Has it a connection to a well known figure?
It has indeed Shoot999 :)
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Bekesbourne Zoo?
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Bekesbourne Zoo?
Much further west Stewie and more famous ...
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Last go because it looks familiar! Chartwell?
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Chilham Castle?
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Last go because it looks familiar! Chartwell?
Not Chartwell but you're closing in ...
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Chilham Castle?
Much further west - see my reply to Diapason's last guess.
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The couple who lived here had 10 children but 2 died in infancy. Many of the surviving children and their offspring went on to have distinguished careers.
This glasshouse house can be easily seen in GSV.
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Interesting John, I didn't realise that GSV ever got out of their cars.
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Quebec House Westerham?
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Interesting John, I didn't realise that GSV ever got out of their cars.
They also use mobile units and there are also photos added on Google. In fact one of the photos is taken very close to the spot where I took my photo.
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Quebec House Westerham?
Not Quebec House but you're heading in the right direction from Chartwell.
The garden of this property is nice but the real star is the house and it's contents.
Many years ago, I repaired a washing machine there but didn't realise the significance of the property. (Not that it will help you :) )
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Dickens connection?
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Dickens connection?
Not Dickens - even more famous. The man who lived at this property travelled the World on a dog!
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Darwin at Downe House?
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Dickens connection?
Not Dickens - even more famous. The man who lived at this property travelled the World on a dog!
Doh! Apart from doing the guy as part of my History Degree Ive spent my life at sea on a number of vessels inc, Alsatian, Boxer, Corgi, Collie, Mastiff and Saluki. And been onboard the modern Beagle!
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Darwin at Downe House?
You have it Lutonman. Quite a history to Downe House. The Darwin family's home for many years. Well worth a visit in the future.
Over to you ...
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Some useless information.
The house is called Down House as the village was originally named Down.
The village was renamed Downe by the post office to save it being confused with Down in Ireland. Darwin did not change the name of the house.
The house is much extended, some by Darwin and some after him. It was at one point Down House School a boarding school for girls which still exists today in Berkshire.
Some interesting information here https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/home-of-charles-darwin-down-house/history/
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There was a second girl's boarding school based at Down House from 1924 to 1927 but then it closed. Trivia: I was at a prep school about a mile from the present Downe House School between the ages of 10 and 12. We attended concerts there, but otherwise had no contact with those strange mythical beasts called girls!
If anyone is planning a visit to Down House, the car park is some distance from the house, but there is a decent footpath suitable for a mobility scooter between the two. If you have a blue badge you can park actually at the house, space permitting. Disabled visitors who need a scooters or chair will need them for the "long walk" down towards the glasshouse. HTH. Oh, and of course it is closed at the moment.
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Thanks John Walker, I have been there before and wanted to go again in 2020 but the dreaded COVID stopped that.
This should be quite easy, where and what's going on.
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Eurostar replacement bus service? ;D
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Very good, this service did run a bit late though!
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You swine John Filmer - you beat me to it. :o
`The new (secret) for the H2 silent battery carriages `- for the slow trains.
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Hi Lutonman
I'm a bit confused by the guesses so far. Has somebody guessed correctly or should I keep going? :)
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Hi Johnwalker, there's been no guesses so far at all. Here is an hint.
To answer my question what's going on, Its a picture of a train and a building. The day was a fun day for employees and their families. So its a big company in Kent that can do such a thing. But who & where?
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I think I know this, but as I don't have any pictures to post, I'll throw a possible hint into the ring. Did the site used to belong to a company still in business but relocated elsewhere?
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Its fair to say the site has been owned by a number of companies and also renamed as a result of take overs. That could throw some light on to it as well.
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Bowaters Rainham?
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Not Bowaters
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Is it the site of Lucas (CAV?) on the side of the Medway ?
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A company open day at Gillingham Business Park?
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Medway is the right part of the County. A main road runs either side of the site.
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GEC Avionics at Rochester Airport?
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I'll accept that Pete, its now BAE systems. They did hold regular open days for Family and you were allowed into a lot of the buildings, also had stalls and events on outside including flypasts.
Over to you Pete well done
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Son used to run for Elliots/GEC Avionics in the '80s
Another pub
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Dead or Alive?
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Looks like the George and Dragon, Speldhurst but there have been some subtle changes since the photo if I'm correct.
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Spot on Mr JW !! yours, I thought it would last longer than that.
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Spot on Mr JW !! yours, I thought it would last longer than that.
Thanks Pete. It seemed familiar and I was racking my noddle. I remembered I'd had a meal in a pub like that with family who lived in Tunbridge Wells at the time. Started to search surrounded villages and there it was.
There's a funny story attached to that meal. It was very busy in the restaurant and we'd finished our main course. The puddings arrived and my niece suddenly said "Oh no, my pudding's stone cold". Her three year old son shouted out very loudly, "Oh bo***cks Mum". There followed a very embarrassing silence in the restaurant and an even more embarrassed niece.
Next one ... Where is this ?
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Shorts Tunnels?
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Dumpy Level Dover Castle?
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Dumpy Level Dover Castle?
That was quick Pete. The boilers are situated behind a steel door in the tunnel that you first enter for the underground hospital tour.
Over to you...
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not a pub but close ;D
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Faversham ?
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Too posh for Faversham :o
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Too posh for Faversham :o
So definitely not Medway then
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Maidstone?
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no
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Darenth ?
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south of
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I think that`s the Culverden Brewery, Tunbridge Wells!
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And you thought right!! Kelseys Brewery, Tunbridge Wells. Long gone and now flats but it'spubs had it's own unique bar counters in that the customer side had a sloping edge about 9" wide at 45 degrees which was fantastic for leaning (or slumping)on, probably very few about now
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I must admit that I didn`t really know that one, but had seen it on the internet!
Here`s another ecclesiastical one.
Where would you find this instrument, which has a very interesting history?
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Looks like an old church with a new roof ?
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It`s an old church but I don`t know about the roof.
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Swale ?
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Is it an old Methodist chapel?
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No! A fairly remote C of E church.
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Swale?
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Maidstone area.
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Is Dungeness remote - enough ?
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It`s not that remote, just a bit "off the beaten track" and Dungeness is a long way from Maidstone.
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Sorry Diapason - I thought you was asking a question - not the author !
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If its the Maidstone area how about Langley
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How about Hucking again, and no that’s not rhyming slang ::)
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Well done John, not an easy one!
The little organ was initially built as a barrel organ in 1870 and resided in Buckingham Palace, as it was the personal property of the Prince Consort. Following the death of the Prince, it was installed in Chipping Norton Baptist Church and in 1997 removed to St. Margaret`s, Hucking. On my last visit to the church, a few years ago, it was still playable and maintained. At some point in its`life` it was rebuilt as a `finger` organ with a key and pedal board and electrically `blown`like many other organs of the same era, another local example being in St. Bartholomew`s, Bobbing (built in 1845).
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It was amazing how many visually similar organs there are in small outlying churches.
Now where is this stump of a windmill? It is on GSV for the keen eyed.
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South of A2 and north of M2.
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Sittingbourne area ?
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Postal address is probably Sittingbourne, but that’s a wider area than the town and its immediate environs. Certainly Swale.
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Sharsted?
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Tunstall ?
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Neither Tunstall or Sharsted.
The tower's remains are still used (not as a mill) and the building that housed its steam driven replacement still stands - just out of shot in the photo.
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Was the base castellated when it was still a windmill?
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I’ve only seen a couple of fairly distant photos of the complete mill, but I would suggest that the castellations were added to decorate the base, to make it into more of a feature or folly when the rest of the tower was removed. One reference said that it was gone by 1930.
The steam mill still stands, although without its chimney. At three stories tall and close to the road it’s a bit more obvious.
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Tonge Mill?
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Not Tonge either.
You might say that this mill was a winner...
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Champions mill Lynsted?
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Spot on Pete.
The old white weatherboarded steam mill is quite prominent. The whole site occupies the corner of Claxfield Lane, Berkeley House being a care home for disabled adults.
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According to Historic England it was originally a smock mill. In this form of construction the masonry was only ever a base, the mill tower was built of timber. A broken link to http://library.kent.ac.uk/library/special/html/mills/kent.htm which agrees reasonably with John's reference.
In passing, there was another smock mill (Union Mill) in Lynsted which stood 7 furlongs south east of the church (1.4 km if you insist), presumably in Park Farm. According to my friend Wikipedia a 1933 book recorded it as built 1736, standing in 1870, demolished a few years later. Given that Champion's mill was built in 1843 was that a replacement or a rival that absorbed all the trade?
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OK, more pubs, I think this is still trading.
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Cromwell Mini Mart. Corner of Otway Street and Cromwell Terrace. Chatham. Formally The Portland Vase.
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Well done, didn't know it was closed, used to play a big part in the pub music scene IIRC. All yours
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Yes, Closed about five years ago Pete.
I recognised the aspect from a post on the old KHF. Having found the pub I then realised that not only had I spent five years during the 60s riding past on my way to and fro Chatham Tech and the Luton Annexe, but I lived in Sydney Road for a few years and had a view down Otway Street!
With the old KHF in mind; and due to a shortage of pics, Ive decided to repeat some of my old pics from those days. So these may go relatively quickly.
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Quick guess - Herne Bay pier ?
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Quick guess - Herne Bay pier ?
Spot on John. It is of my great uncle taken around 1920. Never quite sure of where it was until nearly a century later I came across some recent pics of the derelict pier on KHF.
Various urban explorer sites confirmed it.
Over to you. :)
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That was unexpected. Something made me think of Herne Bay Pier when I looked at it. Great photo.
I did many childhood walks to the end of that pier and saw the paddle steamers docking there. Probably the Medway Queen.
A real shame the pier couldn't be saved.
Next one ...
Where is this outlet?
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It's probably obvious but just in case - coastal.
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North Coast?
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North Coast?
Yes - North Coast Shoot999
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Near to "The Street" at Whitstable?
Alec.
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Near to "The Street" at Whitstable?
Alec.
Right part of the coastline but not close to The Street Alec.
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Seasalter?
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Seasalter?
That's the place Lutonman.
Looks like the drainage control system for the Graveney Marshes. Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker,
Now try this, where is this?
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Luton Millennium Gren in Chatham?
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Well done Stewie, I took the picture from Beacon Road across the valley.
Over to you
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Just a suggestion; if possible it would be lovely to see either a grid reference or a lat/log (eg from GPS) with the solution. For Lutonman's last I think the camera must have been at 51.3740223,0.5442385 with Luton Millenium Green centered at 51.37019,0.53780 It's nice to be able to quickly find some of these locations and to consider going there when we are allowed to. Please don't stress over this, it is merely a suggestion, not a request or a pestering.
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Just a suggestion; if possible it would be lovely to see either a grid reference or a lat/log (eg from GPS) with the solution. For Lutonman's last I think the camera must have been at 51.3740223,0.5442385 with Luton Millenium Green centered at 51.37019,0.53780 It's nice to be able to quickly find some of these locations and to consider going there when we are allowed to. Please don't stress over this, it is merely a suggestion, not a request or a pestering.
Hi MartinR.
Sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure where to get the grid references from. Can you guide please. I only use GSV.
Cheers
John
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Hi MartinR.
Sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure where to get the grid references from. Can you guide please. I only use GSV.
Cheers
John
I believe that you can get them from Google Earth if you have it, (if not it is well worth getting for the 'historical imagery' facility).
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Many Thanks Lutonman, one of my rare appearances as the Guess the Place host, I recognised the entrance arch to the fields which took some of the former 'Fort Luton' secondary school playing field area. You must have quite a lens on your camera!
Have a go at this one.
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Sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure where to get the grid references from. Can you guide please. I only use GSV.
Cheers
John
If you use google maps just click on the location or right click at the location and the reference appears
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Time for some clues.
Mrs Stewie and myself went for a walk earlier this year and using our Ringo app to pay for our car parking, followed the course of a river passing a temporarily closed train station serving a recreational area which has been a popular attraction with families for many years. The building itself is not visible on street view, but took our attention and Mrs Stewie photographed it suggesting it could be used on GTP.
Unfortunately , we do not know a lot about the building and was rather hoping someone else would!
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Is it along the River Darent ?
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Is it along the River Darent ?
A bit more to the West Johnwalker
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Because this may be a bit obscure, I will add some more info this afternoon to help 🤓👍
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Time for some clues.
Mrs Stewie and myself went for a walk earlier this year and using our Ringo app to pay for our car parking, followed the course of a river passing a temporarily closed train station serving a recreational area which has been a popular attraction with families for many years. The building itself is not visible on street view, but took our attention and Mrs Stewie photographed it suggesting it could be used on GTP.
Unfortunately , we do not know a lot about the building and was rather hoping someone else would!
The mystery building is located between a small boatyard and a small industrial estate.
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Slade Green/
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Sorry I have made a navigational error! The building is to the East of the river Darent 😮
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Horton Kirby?
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Sorry I have made a navigational error! The building is to the East of the river Darent 😮
Left is where your thumb is on the right, right is where your thumb is on the left!!
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Horton Kirby?
Almost due East of here Lutonman.
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Time for some clues.
Mrs Stewie and myself went for a walk earlier this year and using our Ringo app to pay for our car parking, followed the course of a river passing a temporarily closed train station serving a recreational area which has been a popular attraction with families for many years. The building itself is not visible on street view, but took our attention and Mrs Stewie photographed it suggesting it could be used on GTP.
Unfortunately , we do not know a lot about the building and was rather hoping someone else would!
The mystery building is located between a small boatyard and a small industrial estate.
There were some sunken barges nearby creating a breakwater or haven for the nearby boatyard.
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Just to the east of The Strand parallel with Waterside Lane? Next to Medway Cruising Club overlooking the Medway.
51.39304999604902, 0.5695870791346836
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Yes you have it JohnWalker, we were walking to Gillingham Riverside Park and back and passed this interesting house, would love to know a bit more about it. Just along from here the front gardens of some more houses are decorated with 'beach' and nautical themes as well.
Over to you :)
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One thing about those older cottages; did you notice that the wall of the front garden was part of the flood defences, hence the boards slotted in where the gates were. They look very picturesque, but I wouldn't want to live there, I'd be scared of flooding when there is a tidal surge like earlier this week. The new houses are all built up about 6'.
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Thank you Stewie. I would never have found it without your clues. Great fun with my detective hat on.
Next one.
Where is this?
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Once surrounded by a large deer park.
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Penshurst ??
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Knole
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Not Penshurst, Grandadrog or Knole, Pete.
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There is a connection with a conflict between Britain and France.
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There is a connection with a conflict between Britain and France.
There's been a lot of those John, Doesn't narrow it down much! ;D ;D ;D
Alec.
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Its Sissinghurst Castle
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Its Sissinghurst Castle
Well done Stewie. It certainly is the gardens at Sissinghurst. The connection with a conflict between Britain and the French is that it was a prisoner of war camp during The Seven Year's War.
Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker, we visited Sissinghurst for the first time in 2019 and I seemed to recall the fact that was used as a French POW camp. So a quick view of Google matched your picture.
So, I get to host for the second time in three days which is a bit of a record for me! Can you say where this picture of the bus was taken? I don't think that the background is that much different to how it is today.
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The background is virtually the same today with the same sign of The Lemon Tree, as well as the ornate bracket on the building to the left. Its Tenterden High Street. I guess the East Kent bus was on a day trip?
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The background is virtually the same today with the same sign of The Lemon Tree, as well as the ornate bracket on the building to the left. Its Tenterden High Street. I guess the East Kent bus was on a day trip?
Well Done CAT, it is indeed Tenterden High Street as you say, I took the picture in 2019 after a stay over in the town following an evening out on the K&ESR dining train! I have attached the original picture for comparison.
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Good job i said the background looks the same today, Very crafty Stewie, the use of B + W on a recent pic.
I recognised the swinging sign of The Lemon Tree on the front of the timber building, as i had visited it myself a few years back.
My next, but where?
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One of the lighthouses at Ramsgate Harbour at the end of the harbour arms?
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You’re clearly on a role Stewie. It is indeed one of the lighthouses, which possesses a dedicating inscription and date.
Over to you
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Perfugium miseris = A place of refuge in distress. Appropriate for a harbour.
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You’re clearly on a role Stewie. It is indeed one of the lighthouses, which possesses a dedicating inscription and date.
Over to you
Thanks CAT I think I have got more in the past week than in 2020! Here is the next one, taken a few years ago now but still there as far as I know. Where is this ornate clock tower?
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Dartford?
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A bit south of there JW its near to a Railway station.
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Tunbridge Wells
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Tunbridge Wells it is but where?
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Smith & Western, Linden Pk Rd
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Well done Pete you are correct, its the former Tunbridge Wells West station building but the Spa Valley railway operate a service from a 'new' station just next door.
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Thought it was old PO at first then remembered it when Whitbreads bought is as a Brewer's Fayre or Beefeater. Try this
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Is it the Jolly Caulkers public house in Batchelor Street Chatham?
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4 minutes >:( -got to be a record , It is and all yours
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Thanks Pete, I remember going in there on my stag night many, many years ago!
I have actually used this one before on the old forum so someone may remember!
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Barton Point, Sheppey
https://www.facebook.com/Spilt0Milk/posts/618268245367763 (https://www.facebook.com/Spilt0Milk/posts/618268245367763)
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Yes you have it Local Hiker over to you! :)
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Thank you Stewie. I can see Barton Point from my front garden, and I do go to see the trains regularly on Sunday afternoons through the summer, so it was instant recognition of your photo with no research needed on that one.
Next one, I took these photos last year. They are 2 views of the same building.
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There is a disused railway immediately to the right of this building.
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Sheerness?
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I think that is the very sad looking building at the end of West Street, Blue Town.
Whoops, sorry I see Stewie has beaten me to it. Well done, mate.
DTT
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Oh, I have a dilemma.
Stewie appears to have had a speculative guess as to what town it is in, without any clarity as to what or where, but DaveThe Train has then been more specific as to exact location afterwards.
Stewie, I am inclined to give DaveTheTrain the call. Did you have any idea as to what or where?
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Not a problem, I think after this week I am happy to let some one else have a go! I only said Sheerness because of the 'industrial' background but could not say where it was with out further research!
Happy for Dave the Train to play :)
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Thanks Chaps, that is very generous of you.
I recognised the location of the Bluetown photo as i occasionally visit to collect metal work from a supplier.
Anyway, where is this? It is on a main road, opposite a pub. It is no longer a PO.
DTT
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Thanks Stewie.
DaveTheTrain, well done and over to you.
For the record, the building is Sheerness Pier toll booth and Pier Master's house.
The ramp and steps around it are the access from the road up onto the pier. The black metal railings are the gate onto the pier.
The railway immediately to the west side is the tramway into Sheerness Docks.
Not only is the pier no longer there, neither is the water it straddled, because the sea has been reclaimed as land within Sheerness Docks.
There are more historic (and not historic) photos around the area from my day out here... https://www.facebook.com/Spilt0Milk/posts/960495491145035 (https://www.facebook.com/Spilt0Milk/posts/960495491145035)
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There seems to be a little smudge on your photo. I have sorted it out in this copy for you. It might help people guess more easily.
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very good Local Hiker! I like your style.
It is indeed Badlesmere. That did not last long. Over to you.
DTT
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I always check out French Ebay sites when playing Guess The Place. I am sure that we all do.
https://www.befr.ebay.be/itm/Badlesmere-Post-Office-E-H-Pearson-Shop-by-A-H-DeAth-Faversham/352196343449?hash=item520089b699:g:R6UAAOSwDEtZ5df~ (https://www.befr.ebay.be/itm/Badlesmere-Post-Office-E-H-Pearson-Shop-by-A-H-DeAth-Faversham/352196343449?hash=item520089b699:g:R6UAAOSwDEtZ5df~)
Anyway, next from when I was out and about last year.
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A long-gone railway ran past this building.
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The former pump house building now the Copper Rivet Gin distillery in Chatham (ex dockyard)?
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It is pump house number 5 at Chatham Dockyard, used to empty and top up the basins and dry docks.
As you say, it is now a distlllery, not just gin. It also houses a cafe, with some of the original equipment on show.
The distillery was using otherwise waste Shepherd Neame beer to make hand gel for the Metropolitan Police last year.
And the railway.... see photo
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Thanks Local Hiker
I pass the pump house regularly when we go for a walk around St Marys Island, some lovely brickwork in this building. Next one up!
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https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g503904-d6782474-i240810016-Medway_Queen-Gillingham_Kent_England.html
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Well done Local Hiker it is indeed the interior of the Medway Queen, over to you :)
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Well done Local Hiker it is indeed the interior of the Medway Queen, over to you :)
The Medway Queen is looking good going by that photo. Is there a website that keeps us updated with progress?
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Well done Local Hiker it is indeed the interior of the Medway Queen, over to you :)
Try this one John Walker - [size=78%]Medway Queen Preservation Society - Home (https://www.medwayqueen.co.uk/)[/size]
I have not visited the ship for a while but there is a dedicated small band of guys trying to restore it. I believe that they recently advertised for extra volunteers. We hired her a few years back as a setting for my Fathers 80th birthday celebrations. My mum told me stories of going to Southend on her and when i was walking through the inside I considered that I was walking in my Mum's footsteps. Actually though the hull is all a reconstruction although the engines are original I believe. She looks very smart when you view her at Gillingham Pier and it is a crying shame that this old lady cannot move under her own power once more. I guess it all come s down to cost.
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Surely a good cause for lottery funding?
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Surely a good cause for lottery funding?
They have had £1.8 million in funding the past and have about 500 supporters who help future funding, inc Princes Michael, Timothy West and Prunella Scales.
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Good to hear, though a bit more funding would be well spent. I cant remember how much the Nation Ballet has had over the years, but I bet you could have gold plated the hull of the Medway Queen, or papered it with £10 notes? ;)
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Thank you Stewie. Sorry for the delay. Busy day.
Try this. I was walking a dog in October 2018 who was staying with me for a few days. For the record, the dog is Archie, the little Jack Russell, top right.
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Thurnham Castle remain?
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Faversham, Stone Chapel (Our Lady of Elverton) By the A2.
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Cat, it is Thurnham Caste remains, a lovely area for a walk.
I am stopping playing for now. I am struggling to find time to keep on top of it.
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Thanks, Local Hiker. I've seen the castle mentioned in the White Horse Wood Country Park, but the path to it is not suitable for a mobility scooter. I see though that there is road access and have just been looking at GSV, so it's one for visiting once lockdown lifts.
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Many thanks Local Hiker. Hopefully you can return again soon?
Martin R - If you are able to get there some time soon and the trees haven't grown to much on its southern side (downhill part) then there were good views to be had. When I was last there (a few years back) sheep and goats were across the castle grounds, one of which was a bit over friendly and followed everywhere. A bit like a personal tour guide that just wanted to be fed.
Here is my next, which in keeping with the ruined walls theme, but where?
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Quick guess - Part of Richborough Castle ?
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You are on the right line John Walker, but its not Richborough
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Roman temple at Newington ?
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Your heading a bit cooler to far west now John Walker. Expand on your initial guess and think coastal.
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How about Esole Manor House Nonington ?
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Not there either John Walker. Its a much older site than any period home.
It once provided protection to the sea, but also overlooked a watery inlet.
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Minster ?
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Nor Minster (either one). Much older than both. From this site, the coast of Essex can be seen, as well as the eastern end of Sheppey
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Reculver then ? I couldn't find reference to a recent dig there so dismissed it.
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You are correct John Walker, it is indeed the remains of the east gate's guard chamber of Reculver Roman Fort. Situated on the north Kent coast, it was positioned to protect the mouth of the Thames Estuary, whilst also the north opening to the former Wantsum Channel. It was the Wantsum Channel, which extended around the western and southern side of Thanet that gave it the title if 'Isle of Thanet' as it was once truly surrounded by water. The eastern end of the Channel was guarded by Richborough Roman Fort, but falling sea levels, silting and subsequent draining caused the former Channel to become grazing pasture.
There was not a recent archaeological excavation at Reculver, but a recent scheme of de-vegetation and consolidation of the walls enabled them to be exposed again.
Over to you John Walker
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Thanks Cat. More in-depth info from you - always appreciated.
Next one ...
Not on GSV so unless someone recognises this row of cottages, clues/questions will probably be needed.
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Thanks from me also CAT. Something- among many!- that i didn't know about Kent. Someone a while ago complained that so much of KHF was taken up by people "playing" the GTP. Maybe if, like me, they were to read, and sometimes follow up, the interesting additions like this, they might get more out of the site? Good on yer!
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John. As these cottages could be anywhere in Kent, I'll start the ball rolling with the question; N.,S.,E.,W. or Central?
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Medway Towns?
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For anyone planning to visit the site, be aware that it catches every breath of wind, ie it's cold! The path up to the site is fine for mobility scooters, but manual wheelchairs might find it steep. On the site there is limited access from the main path, but if the weather is good and the ground dry it is fairly flat and you can trundle around. Be aware of rabbit holes, I got a wheel stuck down one and it just span uselessly! disabled parking is right by the entrance to the car park and IIRC is free for blue badge holders.
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John. As these cottages could be anywhere in Kent, I'll start the ball rolling with the question; N.,S.,E.,W. or Central?
East Dave.
A tramway, a pub and a stream were the other side of these cottages.
The cottages no longer exist.
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With a bit of Google research the cottages appear to have been in the Village of Hampton on Sea at Herne Bay.Apparently it became Sunken Hampton Under Sea in 1921 when erosion sunk the lot.
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I think you might be right grandarog. If correct then the road along in front of them was called Hernecliff Gardens?
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I think you might be right grandarog. If correct then the road along in front of them was called Hernecliff Gardens?
I knew I had seen them before, so assumed it was my home town. But when grandarog identified them I realised that I knew them from my interest in another subject. Edmund Reid; the first CID Officer in charge of the Jack the Ripper investigation, moved into one of the cottages in 1903.
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You have it Grandarog.
It reads that they were fishermen's cottages. Possibly Oyster or Mussel.
Over to you.
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Thanks John Walker. Like shoot999 they seemed familiar .Afraid I had to resort to Google to find the cottages location.
Any way next .Where is this very well refurbished door and brickwork.
As a change for me CT post code.
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almshouses or similar?
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Wedding venue?
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Mostly frequented by youngsters.
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The brickwork makes me think of Kent College ?
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Not there, you are about 6 or 7 miles away. :)
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Struggling with this one, although it seems familiar. A Whitstable school ?
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Are we looking for a school or college?
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Yes a school shoot999 .
John Walker ,you went the wrong way.
Keep trying.
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Barham area?
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Not Barham head out along the A28 from Canterbury. 8)
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St Mary's Primary School, Chilham. I should have found that quicker, I took a photo of the building a few years ago!
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I've been muttering at the screen for ages, I think that it is the school at Chilham.
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You have it JohnWalker.
My Mother went to school there 1907 -1916. At the same time, she was pot washing for her eldest sister Annie (Nance) and her husband Arthur Fill who were the licensees of the Woolpack ,Chilham.Mums sister Kate was living with them as a skivvy .Uncle Arthur was a lovely gentle man Aunt Nance was a proper old battleaxe and tyrant. She would have made the deep south plantation bosses look like pussie's
They ran a boarding house at Broadstairs for years after the Woolpack.
Sorry johnfilmer you were muttering too long. JW beat you to it.
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Thank Grandarog
I started off going in the wrong direction along the A28. Interesting family connection you have with Chilham. I often stopped at the Woolpack for a half (Driving). Seems ages now since lockdown.
Sorry JohnFilmer I was only half hour ahead of you.
Next one ... shouldn't be too difficult (Two more images and I'll have put 200 GTP images up)
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Moral of that is to refresh the screen before posting!
My great grandfathers brother was the saddler and harness maker in Chilham throughout WW1, his son was a saddler in The Buffs for the duration.
Premises somewhere around The Square. Their house is the one in front of the church, facing The Square and is still known as Clements Cottage.
Coincidentally we watched an old Marple episode last night “The Moving Finger”, and the outside set was Chilham Square. Spooky.
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Biddenden?
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Biddenden?
Not Biddenden Pete - but you're warm :)
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The Street, Smarden
I borrowed a coat hanger from one of these houses and broke into the Ford Granada that had the keys still in the ignition. Amazing how few questions were asked.
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The Street, Smarden
I borrowed a coat hanger from one of these houses and broke into the Ford Granada that had the keys still in the ignition. Amazing how few questions were asked.
Spot on JohnFilmer
It's amazing how many crimes can go on without questions being asked - we're just too damn polite ;D ;D ;D
Over to you ...
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John & John, I agree. "A long time ago in a
galaxy town far, far away" I locked myself out. I got a ladder from the back, climbed up to the balcony, opened the sash window using a knife and climbed in. All in view of around a dozen people at the bus stop opposite. I was expecting the "boys in blue", but they never turned up. Frightening. :(
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A recycled one from a few years ago.
Almshouses, and still used as such - but where?
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East Street, Harrietsham?
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That was extremely quick. And right!
I used to help prop up a bar (oh to do that now...) with a gentleman who helped administer both these and the Lenham almshouses. At the time my residency in the parish of Boughton Malherbe qualified me for a place. Probably been gone too long now.
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Almshouses exsisted before 1594 - I believe Canterbury - was the first in Kent.
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Sorry Castle, there were almshouses before that date. Richard Watts (1529–1579) left money in his will (dated 22 August 1579) to improve the existing almshouse in Rochester, so a earlier date than 1594 is almost certain. His will refers to "the almshouse already erected and standing", desiring it to be "reedified" [rebuilt] as well as extended with rooms for the travellers.
Depending upon your definition of almshouse, Richard Pontyn left money in 1315 for "a House with Appurtenances called the Spittell of St. Katherine of Rochester in the suburbe in Eastgate" for any "Man or Woman of the Cittee of Rouchester to be visited with Lepre or other such Diseasses that longe to Impotence". Now this may be best known as a leper hospital, but "other such Diseasses that longe to Impotence" indicates a more general refuge for the sick (including due to old age). Pontyn's bequest became St. Catherine's Hospital (actually almshouses) which was amalgamated with the Richard Watts Charities on 1 August 1975. The Hospital is still functioning under RWC's aegis in the almshouses at the top of Star Hill, Rochester.
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Thank you johnfilmer. I remembered the distinct plaque on the wall from a previous GTP search of Almshouses.
This also from a previous GTP. So may go just as quick :)
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Iwade (early days) ?
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I just love the “safety” fencing waiting to garrotte the unwary.
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Could it be Kingsmead Stadium, Canterbury?
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Iwade (early days) ?
You have it John. Taken during my youth (I'm in the white helmet). This would be around 71/72. I understand its still going strong (pre-covid), and the facilities have moved on a bit from bales of hay. Still have a few scars and a couple of screws to remind me of hitting the fencing; or going through it!
Over to you. :)
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Iwade (early days) ?
You have it John. Taken during my youth (I'm in the white helmet). This would be around 71/72. I understand its still going strong (pre-covid), and the facilities have moved on a bit from bales of hay. Still have a few scars and a couple of screws to remind me of hitting the fencing; or going through it!
Over to you. :)
Thanks Shoot999. I could only think of two tracks at first. Iwade and Rhodes Minnis. I knew it wasn't Rhodes Minnis as the was on a bank so opted for Iwade. Watching the riders at speed round the track was incredibly exciting. The speeds and 'competiveness' was amazing.
Next one ...
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Close to a river and iron smelting here in the past.
Next to the village pump and about 100 mtrs from a pub/restaurant
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Goudhurst area?
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Very cunning JW.
It’s Smarden again, just a little way along The Street from your last GTP. No idea about the property though it looks very interesting.
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Very cunning JW.
It’s Smarden again, just a little way along The Street from your last GTP. No idea about the property though it looks very interesting.
Well done JohnFilmer
I took a chance with that one but you're too sharp for me ;D
I'm hoping another member might know some history of that house. I couldn't even find out the name.
Over to you.
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On the old GTP I went to the point from which the previous photo had been taken, then took one from a different direction.
So you are not alone in trying to fool the others 8)
I’ll be back tomorrow as “She who thinks that she should be obeyed” is now on a Zoom thingy using the laptop, and all my piccies are on.... the laptop.
See you then.
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It's Dragon House now Dragon Cottage http://kentphotoarchive.org.uk/searchlarge/?townkeywordname=SMARDEN&featurekeywordname&startnumber=9&pagenumber=1 (http://kentphotoarchive.org.uk/searchlarge/?townkeywordname=SMARDEN&featurekeywordname&startnumber=9&pagenumber=1)
A 1955 Frith photo shows a shop window on the gable end with a door to the left of it, now a window
From Historic England site One building. L-shaped C15 timber-framed building with plaster infilling, the first floor of the west wing close-studded. The first floor of the north wing has curved braces and oversails on a bressumer and brackets, with a half-hipped tile-hung gable above also oversailing on brackets and a bressumer carved and painted with figures of winged animals, and containing an attic window. Hipped tiled roof. Casement windows with small square panes. Two small oriel windows on the first floor. In the centre of the west wing is an C18 doorcase with flat hood on brackets and a door of 6 fielded panels. Two storeys. Three windows.
Companies register show it as home of Wealden Exploration run by Peter & Katharine Gibbs.
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Pete, it's amazing how much can be found out with a bit of keyboard punching. Very interesting, thanks.
Meanwhile, here's an easy one - a little church.
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Near the M2 ?
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Nearer the M2 than the M20
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ME9 Postcode
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Bobbing . St. Bartholomews. ?
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Not Bobbing.
It’s in the woods
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St James Church Bicknor ?
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Not Bicknor.
No mains gas or electricity.
Heavily updated by Victorians.
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St. Margaret`s, Wychling.
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Well done Diapason, I’ve been waiting for you to appear. My signature followed yours in the visitors book some years ago. Although we are in Doddington parish, this is the nearest church to us as the crow flies.
Over to you.
Picking up on another recent thread, if you enlarge the image of the end (east) wall you can clearly see some flat red bricks or tiles, supposed to be Roman, incorporated into the fabric of the wall.
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Thanks, John!
Here`s one that i think you will recognise.
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Know and will pass on this one unless it gets bogged down.
I had looked at pictures of Wychling Church but couldn't see the Railings round the grave so dismissed it .Doh :)
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Cliffe area?
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Rural ME9
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Norton area ?
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Looking at the clues in the photo:
If it is rural ME9 and there is a low bridge sign, must be around the north kent mainline.
Street name is *** Street
This all leads me to a house on the corner of Teynham Street and Conyer Road. Unfortunately, Diapason I do not recognise it all.
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I think you have it, John!
Banks Farm Cottage, Grade 2 listed.
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Thanks Diapason I really must go and explore over towards Conyer when some form of normality returns.
How about this splendid house. This view is not easily seen from GSV (trees), but the right side of this view is (over a wall). So there's the first clue - on a junction. Village setting, near the pub.
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Link House Egerton
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Not Link House, Pete. Spookily the wife’s brother lives on Link Hill.
Wrong side of M20, should be nearer M2. Village setting don’t forget. Such distinctive windows.
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Down the lane to the left as you view the photo is the church, village hall and, still thriving, primary school.
ME13 area.
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South of M2/A2?
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Yes, south of M2 - so between M2 & M20
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At the start of Kettle Hill Road, Eastling. Not sure of the house name but I think it's Eastling Manor.
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He's done it again :)
It is Eastling Manor, although on old OS maps it has been Gregories (1876) and Parmiters (1908).
Over to you...
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Thanks JohnFilmer. Your clues were very helpful and I would have searching over a really wide area otherwise.
It's certainly a striking building. Must have a lot of history.
Next one ...
Where is this roadside pub? (My 200th GTP)
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Congratulations passing the 200th milestone John Walker.
P.S. is it the Rose and Crown, Perry Woods by any chance?
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Thanks CAT
It is indeed the Rose and Crown in Perry Woods. We have had many family picnics in Perry Woods over the years. I video'd most of them and I'm just in the process of transferring them from tape to DVD. The earliest are nearly 40 years old and it's quite something to see my children when they were tots and my late parents etc.
Over to you ...
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Many thanks John Walker
I too have been to Perry Woods, in all weathers. When my children were younger they enjoyed shuffling through the fallen leaves in autumn. Before the trees grew taller there were fantastic views into the Stour Valley from the top of timber structure known as 'The Mount' (Grid ref: TR 04385 54791).
Here is my next, but where? Certainly you can't lounge around in front of it any more.
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Westgate Towers c'bury?
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I can see your thinking Pete, but you have fallen into my trap. It's not the Westgate Tower, Canterbury
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Thought that was too obvious but worth a go :) Let's try Allington if not then Tonbridge
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Is this the tower that part collapsed in recent years. Possibly a wedding venue now ?
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Sadly, it’s neither Allington or Tunbridge, Pete. Or Cooling John Walker. It is not far from the coast, but at the opposite end of the County.
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Does it still exist? I'm surprised I don't know this one...
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It does still very much exist John Walker, and in a much better condition than my pic.
Its clearly a portion to a fortification, sadly not open to the public nowadays, but was over thirty years ago.
A near coastal location where it is assumed the local trees were washed by the sea (doubtful folklore).
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Saltwood Castle Hythe?
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You have it shoot999. It is indeed the main eastern gateway to Saltwood Castle. Regarded as the location of the plotting by the four knights whom later killed Thomas Beckett at Canterbury Cathedral on 28th December 1170.
Formerly the home of both Bill Deedes MP and later Kenneth Clark MP and after, his son Alan Clark MP who was buried in the grounds. Formerly the grounds, and parts of the castle, including the great hall, were open to the public, but sadly no longer. It is still possible to view the outer walls from public footpaths that run alongside though.
Over to you shoot999
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I should have recognised those towers. My family used to go there on Sundays in the 60s/70s. They served tea and cake beside this gateway. We could walk around the grounds and along the ramparts. I seem to remember there was a peep hole down into one of the towers where a 'prisoner' was chained up. There were also peacocks roaming the grounds that would grab your cake if given the chance.
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I was surprised you didn't get it JohnWalker, its the sort of place where lots of local people went to once. I vaguely remember the peacocks, but more so the two large dogs that snapped, snarled and foamed at passers by when the grounds were closed. Happy days.
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Thank you for that CAT. Busy hunting old ruins until you gave the better condition clue. And remembered a similar configuration as a backdrop to 'The Alan Clark Diaries' series.
On to the next.
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Would that be the Buckmore Park Kart racing track beside the M2?
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Would that be the Buckmore Park Kart racing track beside the M2?
Spot on. Used to live just down the road before the motorway was built. Owned by the late, great John Surtees at one time. And one of the tracks where Lewis Hamilton first came to the notice of the racing community.
Over to you.
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Many thanks shoot999.
I was unaware of the Hamilton link, so thanks for that.
Next one is clearly a good sized country house, still standing, but were?
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East Kent ? (I'll be kicking myself if it is :D )
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Chevening?
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Not Chevening Pete and kind of central east(ish) Kent. Not too far from a 'failed' medieval market town.
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The house in my pic, which is from the early nineteenth century, suffered a catastrophic fire in the early twentieth century and was largely reconstructed from the ruins, but on a smaller scale using the colonnade and pediment of the earlier façade.
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Olantigh House, near Wye.
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Bit strange this one .
Internet attributes the Painting as being Raynham Hall ,Norfolk.
Looking further it is obviously mis-labelled.
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I don’t know about the mislabelled painting grandarog, but my pic is definitely of Olantigh (Towers) north of Wye as identified by Diapason.
Well done and over to you Diapason
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CAT, that one took a great deal of searching!
Here`s the next one which I took a few years ago, specifically for GTP. Somewhat disguised but will be quite recognisable for many members.
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Just to be sure. Is it a church?
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Loads of trees between the track and a church with a spire.
How about St Catherine’s Kingsdown?
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Well spotted, John.
I was expecting Granderog to get that one but forgot that Kingsdown was in your locality.
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I knew that one but liked it and left for someone else.
When I were a littleun Mary Taylor Jones (Nanny to Dr Mallinson) parent's lived in the Kingsdown vicarage her Dad was the Vicar ,often visited ,always remember there were Ostrich eggs on stands . The church is no longer in use .
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I drive past the access road when I cut across from Doddington to come down Highsted into Sittingbourne.
Will be back soon(ish) I am just about to fix the new cooker extract duct with expanding foam. Wish me luck...
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Duct elbow and transition round to rectangular now fixed - a little excess foam...
This was my wife's first Land Rover, a 90 not yet badged as Defender, with my son using the roof rack as a vantage.
But what is he watching, and therefore where?
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Brands Hatch?
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A bit too obvious really, but yes Brands Hatch, British Touring Cars. Early 1990s.
Back too you.
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They are very stout brackets holding that roof rack on! I think you could land a helicopter on that roof and the brackets not bend!
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It was a one off made by someone who really knew how to work in aluminium. Very light and extremely strong. Easily lifted into place by two people, it pulled the roof into place when it was tightened rather then the other way round.
My target shooting friend who found it for us actually bought the whole vehicle when we moved up to a Defender 110. More room for dogs and children, but we missed the manoeuvrability. We went to Scotland as a family of four, stayed just north of Inverness and even took it to John OGroats.
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Thanks John
It was only a guess. I had my doubts as the cars seemed to be so close to the track but it's many years since I've been to Brands Hatch. I wondered if it was the grass area near the start of the main straight (Clearways?) .
Next one ...
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I didn't leave clues to start with as I thought someone might recognise it straight away.
Still in existence - more or less the same as the photo.
A now disused railway line was about 150 mtrs to the right of the photo.
200 mtrs from a crematorium
800 mtrs from a hospital
East of the county.
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Barham?
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Barham?
Not Barham Pete. About 18 miles away.
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By distance then Salmestone Grange Margate
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I think you're right JW. Clearways was our favourite spot, on the grass there, very close to the track, where you could also see a gaggle of cars- that's all I ever went to see- a bit further on at Halewood Hill ( now but not in my day) & Druids Bend.
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I remember seeing John Surtees racing round Brands Hatch in the 1950/60 - on his motor bike.
He was the only rider with no number - on his back.
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Sorry to have got a bit out of sync with my reply - been off for my Covid jab - but the Brands photo was taken at the bottom of the South Bank, the part of the track known as Cooper Straight. It is not straight!
We were invited along with many others to be the guests of Audi who were competing in the Touring Cars at the time. I had recently bought an A4 (actually to be strictly correct, the company had bought it) and a keen salesman threw in the Brands visit. They were a tad miffed when we rocked up in the Land Rover rather than the nice shiny Audi. Much better viewing platform.
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You have it Pete. Salmestone Grange it is. Over to you...
SALMESTONE GRANGE
A monastic grange was a farm owned and run by a monastic community and independent of the secular manorial system of communal agriculture and servile labour. The function of granges was to provide food and raw materials for consumption within the parent monastic house itself, and also to provide surpluses for sale for profit. The first monastic granges appeared in the 12th century but they continued to be constructed and used until the Dissolution. This system of agriculture was pioneered by the Cistercian order but was soon imitated by other orders. Some granges were worked by resident lay-brothers (secular workers) of the order but others were staffed by non-resident labourers. The majority of granges practised a mixed economy but some were specialist in their function. Five types of grange are known: agrarian farms, bercaries (sheep farms), vaccaries (cattle ranches), horse studs and industrial complexes. A monastery might have more than one grange and the wealthiest houses had many. Frequently a grange was established on lands immediately adjacent to the monastery, this being known as the home grange. Other granges, however, could be found wherever the monastic site held lands. On occasion these could be located at some considerable distance from the parent monastery. Granges are broadly comparable with contemporary secular farms although the wealth of the parent house was frequently reflected in the size of the grange and the layout and architectural embellishment of the buildings. Additionally, because of their monastic connection, granges tend to be much better documented than their secular counterparts. No region was without monastic granges. The exact number of sites which originally existed is not precisely known but can be estimated, on the basis of numbers of monastic sites, at several thousand. Of these, however, only a small percentage can be accurately located on the ground today. Of this group of identifiable sites, continued intensive use of many has destroyed much of the evidence of archaeological remains. In view of the importance of granges to medieval rural and monastic life, all sites exhibiting good archaeological survival are identified as nationally important.Salmestone monastic grange survives well, retaining standing buildings of high architectural quality. Part excavation has confirmed that the monument also contains important archaeological and environmental evidence relating to the original form, use and development of the grange. The monument is one of the best surviving examples of a group of contemporary Benedictine monastic granges which cluster on the Isle of Thanet, illustrating the control exercised over this part of Kent by St Augustine's Abbey at Canterbury during the medieval period.The monument includes a Benedictine monastic grange situated on the southern edge of modern Margate, around 1.5km inland from the north Thanet coast. The grange survives in the form of standing buildings and associated below ground remains. Historical records suggest that it was founded by the monks of St Augustine's Abbey, Canterbury during the 12th century. The grange operated as the administrative centre for part of their large, mainly arable, estate then covering most of the Isle of Thanet, and as a place of occasional quiet retreat for the monks. Lying towards the centre of the monument, the standing buildings form an irregular group and include a mainly north east-south west aligned, gabled domestic range and a small, detached, east-west aligned chapel to the west. The domestic range is on two storeys and is faced with rubble, ragstone and flint, with ashlar dressings. Dated by its architectural features mainly to the 13th and early 14th centuries, the range incorporates the original refectory hall, an undercroft with ribbed vaulting, the kitchen and a dormitory wing projecting to the north west. There is also some evidence for earlier, timber-framed walls encased within the later masonry. The range has undergone several phases of alteration and repair, and its north eastern end was converted into a secular farmhouse during the 17th century. By the early 20th century the south western end of the building had fallen into ruin. Surviving in situ medieval features include some original windows and doorways. The chapel was consecrated in 1326 and may have replaced an earlier, more temporary building. It is mainly faced with knapped flint, with limestone ashlar dressings, topped by a clay tiled, crown post roof. There has been some modern restoration. The modern stained glass windows were completed in 1952. The standing medieval buildings, Listed Grade II*, are in use as a dwelling and working chapel and are therefore excluded from the scheduling, although the ground beneath is included. Investigations carried out in 1979 revealed evidence for possibly 12th century wall foundations beneath the ruined south western end of the domestic range. Wall footings representing later, now demolished post-medieval buildings were also found in the area immediately north of the main range. Further buried traces of buildings and associated features will survive in the areas between and around the standing buildings. Running within the north eastern edge of the monument is a line of earthworks shown by the 1979 investigations to represent the footings of a row of post-medieval barns and outbuildings. The lower flint courses of a ruined rectangular enclosure situated in the north western corner of the monument are thought to represent a post-medieval barn or animal pound. After the Dissolution of the Monasteries, Salmestone Grange passed into the ownership of the Crown. Between 1559-1886 it became part of the possessions of the Dean and Chapter of Canterbury Cathedral, before being sold into private ownership. A number of features are excluded from the scheduling; these are the Grade II* Listed private dwelling and chapel, all associated outbuildings, modern garden features, structures and fences, and the modern surfaces of all paths, tracks, paving and hardstanding; the ground beneath all these features is, however, included.
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Thanks Another pub, still trading I believe or at least was pre covid
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I don't think I've seen this one.
West Kent ?
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West Kent
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My new wife and I stayed here the night we were married in 1977, The Beacon Hotel Royal Tunbridge Wells. This photo was taken at that time.
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All yours- I can't dispute that!
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Thank you Pete.In 2103 we returned to the Uk on holiday and stayed there for a couple of nights. So good to see it had not changed and the walks down through the gardens into the woods are something special.
This photo was taken in the early 1980's
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Quick guess-Medway Towns?
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shoot999 yes it is in the Medway Towns. This sketch includes a structure that is very very close to the GTP image posted.
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After a quick guess, I'll go for a wild one. If its the structure I'm thinking of, is it Gillingham? And if it is the nearest place I can find that fits the bill is York Avenue, possibly No 1?
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I seem to recall there being a Fancy Dress shop on Canterbury Street, opposite the junction with Montgomery Road?
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Is it the smoke vent in the rail tunnel under the 'Lines' I think Gillingham tunnel?. The vent is the back garden of a house in Marlborough Road near to the Brompton Academy school.
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shoot999, you are correct, great work in my opinion. No1 York Avenue which has the railway vent close to the rear garden. Here is another picture taken at the same time. Over to you.
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More some lucky memories. My grandparents lived off of Canterbury Street so the place had that feel to it. And I had only been looking at the vent a few months ago on Google Earth, thinking that with all the large trampolines in gardens these days most people won't even notice it anymore.
On to the next.
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A station building - still in existence ?
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Strood?
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Long gone John Walker. (I think it's been replaced twice.) And you are on the right lines Pete!
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Rochester Central Station
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Rochester Central Station
Getting closer....
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Gillingham Station ?
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Getting warmer :)
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Rainham
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You have it Pete. Like many others around the same period I spent many an hour outside that door during the 60s waiting for the girlfriend to arrive back from her daily London commute.
http://www.rainham-history.co.uk/latest/354-station-rainham-kent
Over to you.
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Once it thrived
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Think me , John Filmer & Diapasson better pass on this one. 8)
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I did think either no one will get it or everyone will :-)
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Think me , John Filmer & Diapasson better pass on this one. 8)
I agree granderog, too close to home. It wouldn`t be a guess, more like a certainty.
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Well, I haven't a clue. A closed hotel?
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Contrary to expectations I also didn’t have a clue. However, a bit of brain strain and the penny dropped, aided I think by memories of something on the old forum as well as a 1970s event.
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The Kemsley Arms, to the north of Sittingbourne
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All yours shoot, Bowaters Social club then the Kemsley Arms, any one recall the name of the small pub group that owned it? Something like Thorburn or similar?
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All yours shoot, Bowaters Social club then the Kemsley Arms, any one recall the name of the small pub group that owned it? Something like Thorburn or similar?
Thorley Taverns? They are quite active in the Thanet area.
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The Kemsley Arms building is pending being turned into Flats . Unfortunately the Clock was mysteriously spirited away some time ago .Allegedly by the owner at the time or was most probably stolen for scrap .
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There was also the matter of the Bowaters Mill War Memorial that was in there. It was rescued, has it now got a new permanent home?
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Yes JW, Thorley Taverns , I think his name was Frank Thorley, impressive collections of pubs in Thanet, I think he tried a couple in mid kent too as well as Kemsley
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The Kemsley Arms building is pending being turned into Flats . Unfortunately the Clock was mysteriously spirited away some time ago .Allegedly by the owner at the time or was most probably stolen for scrap .
Glad I didn't look for it on Google Earth or street view then! Found it on google by searching for pubs with a clock on the roof. Shame its gone.
Next one
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There was also the matter of the Bowaters Mill War Memorial that was in there. It was rescued, has it now got a new permanent home?
I think this is the refurbished memorial, now in Holy Trinity, Church, Milton Regis.
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Excellent, glad its gone to a proper home. Thanks.
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There used to be a plaque in rememberance of a family killed by an AA shell, I think on a house in Ridham Ave, has that been moved too? Can't see it on streetview
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Shoot999 does the building still stand?
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Hazlett Theatre, Maidstone.
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There was also the matter of the Bowaters Mill War Memorial that was in there. It was rescued, has it now got a new permanent home?
I think this is the refurbished memorial, now in Holy Trinity, Church, Milton Regis.
Yes it is now in Holy Trinity, Church, Milton Regis, but the photograph in the following link shows a different memorial to that in Diapason's post.
//www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/plaque-to-mill-war-dead-124107/
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Diapason's photo is the old St Pauls War Memorial board that is now at Holy Trinity Milton. The Lloyds Mill WW1 War Memorial is now at The Appleyard.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/41244
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The WW2 Memorial from the Kemsley Arms is this one now in the Church at Milton.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/87939 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/87939)
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Not Maidstone. And the building had many uses before being demolished about 20 years ago
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Thheatre Royal Chatham ?
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Not the Theatre Royal, but you are in the right area.
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Empire(?) one nearly opposite the Theatre Royal
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Not the Empire. But within the Medway Towns
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There was a theatre on the road between Chatham Town Hall and Brompton but I cannot remember the name. Am I `barking up the wrong tree?
I seem to remember it being mentioned on the `old forum`.
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The WW2 Memorial from the Kemsley Arms is this one now in the Church at Milton.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/87939 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/87939)
Thanks for your correction, granderog!
I have very many photos of the interior of Holy Trinity and the one I posted was the only memorial I could find, so it was a complete guess.
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Plaza, Duncan Rd Gillingham?
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Plaza, Duncan Rd Gillingham?
You have it Pete. A somewhat down market cinema that was turned into a TV studio and a few other things before being demolished. Over to you.
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/41758
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For this one, either it's current name or either of it's former names
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The Aviator, Queenborough. It took a few mins, but I knew I had been in there!
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It is, formerly Lady Hamilton and Ship . From the design it looks to have been a 1930s Whitbread road house, built for the coach trip trade
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As Pete said .
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shoot. Thanks for the web address for the Plaza. Many happy hours there, especially watching cowboy films in the late 30's.
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Sorry for the short delay, chaps. A small weather-related issue tonight. Our shopping was due to be delivered tonight, but Sainsbury's called to say "no can do, bad weather"... and so we had to go and collect. Anyway, back now.
Where was/is this Garage. Sadly, I think it has closed down now, but it is a large and airy building.
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Kennington Garage, Ashford?
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That,s the old Crouch's Garage on Church Road Ashford . Must have been 3 or 4 years since it closed.
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I think Kennington Garage and Crouch`s Garage are one and the same. So I think the next GTP is yours, granderog.
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Well done, chaps. It is the Kennigton Garage, in the ownership of the Crouch family. You chaps posted within a minute or so of each other, but Diapson had it slightly sooner.
DTT
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Well done .You take it Diapason. I did a traffic count there about 5 years ago.
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Well done .You take it Diapason. I did a traffic count there about 5 years ago.
I did wonder how you knew it, Grandarog. It is a bit out of your area and I had hoped it would last a little longer, but I am playing with knowledgeable folks. :)
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Well done .You take it Diapason. I did a traffic count there about 5 years ago.
I did wonder how you knew it, Grandarog. It is a bit out of your area and I had hoped it would last a little longer, but I am playing with knowledgeable folks. :)
You should have taken this one granderog, your `guess`was far more precise than my own.
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I think that its one of the ruined St Marys, probably Eastwell.
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Yes, St Mary`s, Eastwell. I thought it would last longer than that!
Over to you John.
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I initially thought that it was St Mary's Little Chart, but the pictures didn't match. Then I remembered that there was another ruined St Mary's around Ashford, and a quick search got the match on the grille covering the doorway.
Now up until now I have always used photos that I have taken or scanned from others in my possesion. I have virtually run out without spending a long time ferreting about in boxes. So.. here is my first attempt at a screenshot from the Internet. It was a subject that I noted many moons ago, but have not had the chance to get up close with a camera.
Hope it comes out OK
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I know these old signs well. I won't enter as it wouldn't be a guess in the spirit of the game :)
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Oh fiddle! (or something like that...) I thought I might fox you JW - too good for me :o
For the humans taking part, you may have just had a large clue, so a pretty exact location will be needed.
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The Dover Castle, Teynham?
I`ll be very surprised if it is, but it seems the correct place for the two road signs.
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Over the shop window in Canterbury High Street ,Directly opposite Guildhall Street.
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Absolutely correct grandarog. I had hoped to wrong foot JW by using something in his own back yard. Trouble is he knows his back yard too well. As apparently do you.
Over to you.
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Thanks John Filmer. Spent a lot of time visiting Canterbury 40-50 years ago when looking after Dad and an Aunt that lived at Hales Place ,St Stevens.
Lets try this one where did I listen to this a few years ago.
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The Bredgar and Wormshill Railway?
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JohnFilmer - I hope those two A2 signs don't suddenly disappear. The route from Thanet A28 would join the A2 opposite those signs before pedestrianisation.
Grandarog - By the clock tower in Canterbury. They have often had an organ playing to raise funds for charity.
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Sorry for delay responding. Stewie has it. The day I was there that time The UK Harley Davidson club had a bike meet there. Just a few of the bikes that day.
Next please Stewie :)
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Thanks Grandarog, twas a bit of a speculative guess as I remembered that the railway had one! A very nice p[lace to visit with quite a bit to see if you like engineering.
I haven't really got much to test you all with so having completed my 'Lockdown' Project of digitising all of the family photos can anyone tell me where I was when I took this picture some time in the past?
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How about Dartford, Stone Lodge, Cotton Lane?
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The former Selling Steam Rally site?
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East Kent Light Railway at Shepherdswell ?
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How about Dartford, Stone Lodge, Cotton Lane?
You are right Johnfilmer, I cant remember when I went but I think it was late 80's. I think the North Downs Railway had designs on opening the former Gravesend West branch but this came to nothing. I think in the end they moved to Tunbridge Wells to form the Spa Valley. Over to you.
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"................ I cant remember when I went but I think it was late 80's. I think the North Downs Railway had designs on opening the former Gravesend West branch but this came to nothing. I think in the end they moved to Tunbridge Wells to form the Spa Valley. Over to you."
https://www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk/article.php/15/history-line-closure (https://www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk/article.php/15/history-line-closure)
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I used to drive past there to go to Stone Lodge Ranges which were just down and along a bit - all gone now. Always seemed an odd spot to find some full-sized railway stuff.
Another attempt at a screenshot - where is this? Clues - old pub, and near (fresh) water.
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Beside the river Medway - somewhere?
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Not beside the Medway itself, but feeds into it. There’s vague for you ::)
This view across the valley has the Medway off some way to the right.
The GSV screenshot (from 2009) is not closer as there is a gap in its availability in front of the building.
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Clues.
The property is part named both as pub and house for the hamlet. The road leading up the valley side next to the property is now also named for the hamlet, but used to be Farm Hill.
The building across the road from the property, visible on the right of it in the picture, was an industrial one (of many) until about 120 years ago. It is also named for the hamlet.
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Loose ?
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Right stream and valley :)
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Bockingford Arms or Bockingford Steps, Bockingford Lane, Bockingford, Loose ?
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The old Bockingford Arms, now a private house as Bockingham Steps. An imposing building, but quite shallow upstairs.
www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Bockingford-Arms-Loose.html
We installed a heating system there some years ago, challenging but hugely interesting, I did the design. The main rooms downstairs used new cast iron sectional radiators (think old school type) that had to be assembled on site. The instructions specified the torque for the connecting nipples by where a given weight man stood on which length bar. Failed to mention the three other guys hanging onto the radiator!
Over to you JW
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Hmm, according to GSV and other mapping services, 51.254580, 0.516145 is in Bockingford Lane, not Bockingham Lane. See https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51%C2%B015'16.5%22N+0%C2%B030'58.1%22E/@51.2545808,0.5155978,19z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d51.2545801!4d0.5161453!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51%C2%B015'16.5%22N+0%C2%B030'58.1%22E/@51.2545808,0.5155978,19z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d51.2545801!4d0.5161453!5m1!1e1)
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Hmm, according to GSV and other mapping services, 51.254580, 0.516145 is in Bockingford Lane, not Bockingham Lane. See https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51%C2%B015'16.5%22N+0%C2%B030'58.1%22E/@51.2545808,0.5155978,19z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d51.2545801!4d0.5161453!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51%C2%B015'16.5%22N+0%C2%B030'58.1%22E/@51.2545808,0.5155978,19z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d51.2545801!4d0.5161453!5m1!1e1)
Thanks MartinR - My typo - now corrected.
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Thanks JohnFilmer - An interesting one but a very difficult one to find.
Next one ...
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That's not a problem John. I've come across places in the past where the "official" name is different from the name the locals use. Examples are Nevilles Cross on maps (should be Neville's Cross), "No Place" (council tried to change it to Co-operative cottages) or my favourite: Hell Lane in the village of Sodom, now renamed to Upper Ettingshall Rd, in Upper Ettingshall.
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Can be seen on GSV through gaps in trees. Station nearby.
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I thought as it's a church it might have been guessed quickly.
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Well my excuse is I've been a bit busy and not had the time to play. Although it has to be said I never guess churches right anyway. ;D
But to start the ball rolling, north of the M20?
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But to start the ball rolling, north of the M20?
More NE of the M20
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A very prominent village church. Photo taken in the late 1980s
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Does the pile of rubble by the base of the tower have anything to do with the October 1987 storm?
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Does the pile of rubble by the base of the tower have anything to do with the October 1987 storm?
Well spotted JohnFilmer. Getting hot now
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Pub and restaurant nearby. A Roman villa was found about 300 mtrs from this church.
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Go on, I'll bite. St Mary's Church, Minster, Thanet? Needed a new spire after it was blown off in the storm of 1987?
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Go on, I'll bite. St Mary's Church, Minster, Thanet? Needed a new spire after it was blown off in the storm of 1987?
That's the one CAT :D . My Father in Law, Allan Yates took the photo a few days after it happened.
Over to you ...
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Many thanks John Walker.
Your farther in law and myself must have just missed each other as I went and saw the crumpled remains of the spire a day or so after its collapse. A local at the time suggested even the church tower had been 'on the sauce' during the storm and couldn't even stand upright so had a night in the churchyard.
Here is my next, which is close to a castle, but where...?
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Biddenden?
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West Kent ?
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Many thanks John Walker.
Your father in law and myself must have just missed each other as I went and saw the crumpled remains of the spire a day or so after its collapse.
He lived directly opposite and heard the crash but didn't know what it was until the morning.
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Not Bidenden Pete, which I'm unsure about there being a castle near, but West Kent definitely John Walker.
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how about Otford?
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Though you are firmly in west Kent with Otford, you are too far west. Head southeast(ish).
With a castle in this village, there is also a large independent school nearby.
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Leeds?
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Not Leeds Diapason, but getting closer.
The castle in this village is not as well known as Leeds, or in as good a condition.
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Sutton Valence?
I couldn`t make up my mind between Sutton Valence or Leeds, not having been to either for some time.
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Well done Diapason, you got there in the end. It is indeed Sutton Valance, the west end of Broad Street (looking east) to be exact.
I include a Google Streetview of the same view to compare.
Over to you
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Thanks, CAT!
Both villages having very high kerbs confused me.
Next offering - what is the building in the background which no longer exists.
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Early Fire Station?
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Fire station in a Medway town somewhere?
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Fort Bridgewoods?
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Yes, a fire station, but where?
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Well it's number 27 on the gate post, so I think it is Crown Road, Milton Regis
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Spot on, John! I`d be interested to know how you found it. Did you manage to decipher the engraved name on the concrete lintol above the two doors?
Apologies for not replying sooner, as I`ve spent the last few hours searching for photos of the members of the Milton Regis Fire service and some of their appliances, at least of which were horse-drawn. I had hoped to post on this reply. Unfortunately, they appear to have disappeared from my PC, all except my father-in-law`s brass helmet (and his father`s before him). The badge has been changed from Milton Regis to Sittingbourne and finally to the National Fire Service. I still have the original prints, somewhere, and will post them in due course.
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A history of your local fire brigade, plus family connections should make for an interesting thread.
I cheated a bit, guessed it was a fire station, had the plot number off the gate, and thought to start where I knew you would have an association. So Milton, an old fire station would be near where there would be fires, so reasonably central. A bit of playing with my friemd Google first on Streeview, then looking for old pictures to confirm.
Back to the Ecclesiastical - where is this sunlit church?
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I`ll leave this one, for a while, as I know this church very well and have many photos of it.
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The old school on the far side of the church was home to a well known actor then a comedian.
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I thought I recognised this church but I'm wrong. I was convinced it was St John's Church, Marley Road, Harrietsham - the view with the wall is almost identical at first glance. Back to the drawing board ;D
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Not wildly out of position JW.
If you turn to look right from where we see it, there is an excellent view.
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I thought I recognised this church but I'm wrong. I was convinced it was St John's Church, Marley Road, Harrietsham - the view with the wall is almost identical at first glance. Back to the drawing board ;D
Ditto, John :-[
How about All Saints,Biddenden?
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Like Diapason I know this one . Keep Guessing :)
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On top of the Greensand Ridge, hence the view
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South of the M20?
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Yes JW, south of M20.
On one of the old north-south drove roads.
Not much village around it, parish stretches south to include another village.
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Struggling with this one. A drovers route to Ashford ?
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Let’s recap.
On top of the Greensand Ridge, with far reaching views south.
Old drovers road leading from the Weald to transport on the north coast runs past, but you are unlikely to drive by. I did the other day, but only because there were roadworks and closures all around, so I took the back double down Church Road.
Only a few surrounding houses, large farm buildings, many now converted. Farmhouse was once much grander. Adjacent old school has had a couple of notable residents.
Main parish settlement is now at the foot of the hill, although there are many other small hamlets.
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St Nicholas Church, Boughton Malherbe? Jim Moir (Vic Reeves) the comedian and actor, and Tom Baker before him, lived nearby in Bell House.
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That’s the place shoot999, you’re it!
We lived nearby for over 30years, nearly became a local ;)
My wife kept horses and we did a good trade in well rotted manure (being polite today). Tom Baker wanted some, and to my wife’s eternal amusement he turned up to collect it in his immaculate Suzuki Vitara wearing a white linen suit 8)
There might have been only 3 or 4 of us the Pig & Whistle, but he still spoke so that those at the back of the Upper Circle could hear every syllable. Once an actor...
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Thank you johnfilmer. I followed the Greensand Walk online. :)
Think this is the first time I've got anywhere near the ecclesiastical. :D
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Oooer! Definitely clues needed - well for me at least.
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A special visit by a religious individual?
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That's a coincidence another one I know for certain ...
Will let it ride for a while if it doesn't look as if it will be guessed I will swoop. :) ;)
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johnfilmer. Ive already given a sort of clue ;D And so close John Walker. Just need to rearrange the words.
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The Pope's visit in the 80s?
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Earlier times, and not a religious leader. Although his views on that subject were the stuff of headlines. And the religious also refers to the location.
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The pillar in the background looks like Canterbury Cathedral?
Was this something to do with a 'Gays Rights' leader (Peter Tatchell) who caused a stir?
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I`ve seen this photo before somewhere. The pillar in the top left corner could be anywhere, but I believe it`s Rochester Cathedral and something connected with the `Beatles`.
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Ssh Diapason. Don't upset the east of the county by mentioning the fact that there is a second cathedral in Kent! ;)
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I`ve seen this photo before somewhere. The pillar in the top left corner could be anywhere, but I believe it`s Rochester Cathedral and something connected with the `Beatles`.
Yes, you have it Diapason. It's Rochester Cathedral, although its John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Christmas Eve 1969. The intention was to join the homeless in a 24 hour sit in organised by Shelter but word of mouth ensure hundreds turned up, and with little organisation including police presence the visit was cut short and they supposedly returned to London. Although its since been confirmed they returned later that evening to attend midnight mass.
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Being a bit of a Beatles fan, I was wondering how I missed John Lennon in the picture, but he was not in the original 🤣
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Here,s a discussion on the topic,
https://www.facebook.com/rochestercathedral/posts/10157733471034231 (https://www.facebook.com/rochestercathedral/posts/10157733471034231)
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Another ecclesiastical one, with a very strange colour scheme for an ancient building.
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This is getting to be too coincidental. A friend of mine took me to see this church a few years ago . I know where it is but as I cant remember the name of the church I will let it ride a while.Give others a chance .
Maybe attract some new guessers.
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Is this a chapel within somewhere like a castle?
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No, it stands alone.
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Small basic structure, probably extended each side.
Box pews (pink :o ) make me think not messed about with later? Therefore remote?
Doesn’t fit any North Downs church I know.
How about out on The Marsh?
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Is it St Nicholas' Church, Old Romney?
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If it isn't St Nicholas Church how about St Clement's Church in Old Romney. I think there's another in the area but can't remember the name.
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St. Clement it is. Apparently the interior was repainted by the film crew for the film Dr. Syn. How they obtained permission is a mystery.
Over to you John!
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I've just had an enjoyable hour or so watching Dr Syn, it's on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsN2ziSdhnw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsN2ziSdhnw)I'm slightly puzzled though, the pews look quite different, for one thing in Dr Syn they are individual pews whereas your photo shows box pews. Bit difficult to tell though in B&W.
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It was for the Dr Syn The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh 1963 .
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St Clement’s Church Old Romneydoubled as Dr Syn’s Dymchurchparish church in the production. Walt Disney funded the repair of the building in order to use it as a filming location. The interior was painted pink by the crew and remains so to this day. :)
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Thanks Diapason
Interesting stuff about Doctor Syn.
Next one ... Where is this unusual church. Shouldn't be difficult.
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Very small village/hamlet. Close to a golf course.
Thought to have been a wooden church here originally.
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ME Postcode
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It's gone very quiet... I know this (I hope), but held back. No takers, or even a SWAG (scientific wild arsed guess) so here I go.
The very distinctive outline is of St Peter & St Paul, East Sutton. Another of the churches along the Greensand Ridge.
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Well done JohnFilmer. That's the one. I spotted it while searching for the Sutton Valence GTP.
(Behind the church is a female prison. East Sutton Park is an open prison and young offender institution (YOI) in Maidstone, Kent, for women aged 18 and over)[/size].
Over to you.
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Apologies for delay, sunshine meant a bit of much needed gardening has got done - even cut the grass.
This is a private house, main road, mid kent. Certain members will know it well, but the unique appearance should appeal to many. It fascinates me.
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Not seaside
Close to water and railway
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Wateringbury area?
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Go approx ESE. The road is an A, and the railway a mainline, briefly running parallel.
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Headcorn?
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Right area Pete, but where?
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A274, junction of "Woodcocks" next to Baptist Chapel
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That’s the place. I hope to stare at it some more after lockdown when we once again walk between my son’s house and the pub.
Over to you Pete.
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Another (ex) pub
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Any suitably vague hints for those of us that haven’t a clue?
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Near a railway, mid Kent
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One direction might lead you to it ;D
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Is it called something like "the down train" then or "North Star"?
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getting warmer
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Staplehurst, the South Eastern Hotel, as was.
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Spot on- all yours
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Pubs and Churches, they were always the landmarks.
So where is this pub?
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East or West Kent?
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Sort of mid Kent!
North of M2
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Too easy ,will leave for a while. :)
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Finally found it! Rose and Crown in Hartlip?
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Well done JW. As ever it’s easy if you know the answer, and hard work when you don’t.
Back to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer. I enjoy the more difficult ones - a nice challenge. As you say what can be a challenge for one can be a doddle for others.
Next one.
No clues yet in case someone wants to take a stab at it straight away.
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Catholic?
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A former Methodist Chapel `converted` to a village Catholic church ?
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I can't find any in depth history so far. It's no longer in use but was named as a church rather than a chapel. Located in a village.
A larger church and a Methodist Chapel (now residential/commercial) are close by.
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Two possibilities:
(1) A lot of 19C churches and chapels looked similar, I can't see anything that shouts "Methodist", it could just as well be RC, Baptist or Congregational (now URC).
(2) Following the schism of 1820 it was quite common to see a Primitive Methodist chapel in the immediate vicinity of a Wesleyan Methodist chapel. After Methodist union in 1932 that meant that many towns and even villages had two chapels. With falling congregations many Primitive chapels (which were usually the smaller ones) were sold off during the 1950s to 1970s.
Anyhow, this is speculation since I haven't located it yet!
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East Kent
Railway station about 500 mtrs away. An inn is at the rear and slightly to the right of this chapel.
MartinR. I think you are on the right track.
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Temple Ewell?
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Temple Ewell?
Not there Pete. Correct end of Kent though.
The road has the name of this church.
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Clear views on GSV
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St Mildred's Road, Minster, Thanet
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You have it JohnFilmer. Tucked away a bit in Monster. I lived a couple of doors away in the 90s.
I believe it was connected with the abbey.
Over to you.
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It was interesting finding it JW. To all those who think that we frequent players know where these places are, it could not be further from the truth. It is the solving of clues and attention to detail, as well as large portions of luck, that lead us to them.
So, in that vein, here is another place of worship. South of M2, but where?
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It looks like "CRAMPTON HALL" is written above the main door. Is that of any help? I must say that this time it does shout Methodist (or at least Free Church).
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Ex Methodist is correct.
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Still used as a place of Christian Worship.
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Are those windows a clue? Pluckley area?
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Not Dering windows, so not Pluckley.
Go north, not that far south of M2.
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I think that takes us into the Swale area?
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Yes JW, a village in Swale. Not on a main road although handy for many routes, as the estate agent would say.
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Somewhere on Sheppey?
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Not unless they’ve moved Sheppey inland Diapason ::) . There would be resistance to that idea for many reasons...
South of M2 (just) remember.
Right a bit
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. There would be resistance to that idea for many reasons...
only from the mainlanders :D
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Bredgar area?
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Keep going right
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Politically, geographically or both?
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Anglican Catholic Church of St Augustine Painters Forstal ?
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That’s the place JW! Over to you.
I think it was both MichaelR, certainly a more “traditional “ church than the Methodist ;D
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Thanks JohnFilmer. Not an easy one to find. Those windows had me fooled for a while and I was searching in Deering country :D
Next one ...
Which village is this ?
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Shot in the dark. Wingham?
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Looks very much like Hollingbourne.
About 6 miles from where I live.
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You have it Diapson. I didn't know any member lived that close. ::)
Over to you ..
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Where would you find this memorial?
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Recognisable local surnames, by a church that I have known for over 40years, so I’ll pass for now.
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Know where.Will let this one go for a while. :)
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johnfilmer and granderog.
It`s a bit too near home isn`t it!
I think I used it on the `old` forum and it didn`t last long then!
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I've tracked it down to Lenham, I think. St Mary's Church?
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Spot on, John.
Over to you.
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Thanks Diapason
Next one ...
What and where is this?
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A farm gate on a country lane. :D ;D
I'le get my coat. ;)
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;D ;D ;D
There is a clue ...
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It’s a runway, wind sock far right corner. But full size or model?
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Is it Challock Glider field?
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JohnFilmer I think it's full size.
Grandatog. Sort of on the right lines.
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JohnFilmer I think it's full size.
Grandarog. Sort of on the right lines.
About 2.5 km from another fairly recent GTP.
Remote
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Frinsted?
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Not Frinsted Pete. Need to head south.
There are two strips here. The other is in the field behind the camera view. Operational since 2000.
A regular contributor on the old forum would possibly know this straight away. I don't think he's joined this forum - at least not under his old forum name.
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GSV has it as Barham Mills Farm Airstrip. Southernden Road.
I lived about a mile and half cross country from there for over 30years ::)
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GSV has it as Barham Mills Farm Airstrip. Southernden Road.
I lived about a mile and half cross country from there for over 30years ::)
You've got it JohnFilmer. I was expecting to need to add a few more clues as it's a bit out of the way. I wondered if 'Trikeman' was on here under a different username but I couldn't find him. I would have thought he would join this forum.
Over to you again :D
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Thanks JW, sorry for the delay I've been live streaming a funeral (that's surely an oxymoron) - such strange times we live in!
So this effort gets two pictures, the front and rear/side so no extra prizes for guessing that its on a junction.
Mid Kent
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Near Tonbridge ?
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Head right
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Edge of one of those Wealden villages easily confused with another when their names are spoken.
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Hawkenbury ?
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Closer, but the village name, possibly referring to a clearing in the Weald, remains the smart clue.
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Regency Cottage in Smarden. Junction of Cage Lane/Biddenden Road and Bethersden Road ?
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Give that man the star prize, Regency Cottage it is.
We did a lot of work there a few years ago when the new owner completely renovated it. The section at the rear is the oldest, the rear chimney served a bread oven. The front is later, giving the cottage it’s name from the period. The canopy along the front is original.
Typically our fitter carefully wrote “pipes” on the upstairs floor, with lines defining the runs. Along comes the builder with his nail gun, hit one pipe 5times in 3m section. System was full, hot and cold both mains, all live, caused a lovely mess. Electrician was about to have a panic attack when our guys rocked up.
Happy days 8)
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Thanks JohnFilmer. Another one that got my brain working :D . From your comments, I'm guessing you were/are a heating installer? I was a heater apprentice in the 60s. Southern Heating Services based in Herne Bay. It went bust in a rather big way. We carried out a number of jobs on period properties and depending on which team was involved, either a great job or a disaster occurred.
Next one ...
Where is this memorial?
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Bethersden Village.
Set in the Wall of the st Mary's Churchyard. It was restored in 2011 as it had deteriorated and received a Grant from the War Memorials Trust to help pay for the work.
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That was quick Grandarog. Interesting info too. :)
So, over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker. one of the many War Memorials in Kent I have visited.
Try this one next , Whats beyond these gates. Shouldn't last long.
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A park?
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Crash gates at Manston?
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County Showground, Detling?
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Milton Regis Country Park?
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Well done Diapason,one of our local sites. Over to you.
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I searched around that country park and I couldn't find a set of gates like that. Were they fitted later than the GSV views?
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If they're the ones I think they are, GSV is from 2009. The narrow crush on the left is a bit of a pain to get through in a mobility scooter. Just possible, just.
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I didn’t find them either, probably looking in the wrong place. Location please :)
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51.3553331 N, 0.7398043 E
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Very curious, I get plain gates and a work in progress behind them.
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Very curious, I get plain gates and a work in progress behind them.
Me too! ;D
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We need Grandarog to confirm it. The GSV you're showing is from 2009, a decade ago. The building works have been completed long since. I was there last summer and the GSV is definitely out of date. I remember the level path shown on G's view with the ramp descending towards Green Porch Close. Holy Trinity is immediately behind the camera.
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No problem with Diapason taking up the baton, just shows that GSV is getting a tad out of date in the less traveled areas. Our house is shown with a young spindly walnut tree in the garden. It’s now as tall as the house. The wasteland to the side has been a productive veg patch for many years, so only too aware of its limitations.
Keep calm and carry on :)
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Just to clear up any confusion my photo was taken to the right of the Street view image. Just goes to show you cant always get your answers from street view. :)
The Gates are to the right of the Churchyard at the end of Green Porch Close. The mounting block (which has been on GTP before) for the gentry attending church on their horses is to the left along the wall.
There was some dissent among local residents due to the Park Runners leaving there cars everywhere everywhere before Covid stop all gatherings.
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Well done Diapason,one of our local sites. Over to you.
I`m amazed at guessing that one, it really was a `shot in the dark` as I had never seen the gates as they are today.
I may have used the following photo on the former forum.
Where is this memorial that is not in a churchyard but not far away from one?
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Village location?
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Harrietsham?
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Gosh! That was quick.
Next to the west end of the churchyard.
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Another pubby one!
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Snodland area?
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south of
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The John Brunt VC, Church Road, Paddock Wood.
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All yours John
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I have driven past this pub a few times, just took a while to remember where - helped by Mr Google, of course.
The next is a well known, but older, view of a High Street still recognisable today. Could be easy.
As ever - where?
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Sevenoaks?
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Pete, you are too far west.
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West Malling?
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Well done JW, West Malling, with Swan Street out of sight on the left.
All yours....
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Thanks JohnFilmer. It was a quick guess but the wide street made me think of West Malling.
Next one ...
What and where is this pub?
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I had to smile at " another"pub. It reminded me of early days as a sales engineer in a new territory. A new large town, i stooped to ask a lady where x was( way before satnav) & she said," drive along here to the George & Dragon on the fight, turn down there & you'll see the Kings Arms on the left, turn down the road just past it & at the bottom is the Royal Oak & it's the next door to that"! It wasn't slurred speech either.
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I had to smile at " another"pub. It reminded me of early days as a sales engineer in a new territory. A new large town, i stooped to ask a lady where x was( way before satnav) & she said," drive along here to the George & Dragon on the fight, turn down there & you'll see the Kings Arms on the left, turn down the road just past it & at the bottom is the Royal Oak & it's the next door to that"! It wasn't slurred speech either.
That's funny but quite true. This pub is none of those though :D :D :D On GSV
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12th century Anglican church and a nature reserve are not far away. Railway line aprox 800 mtrs behind this pub.
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Are we back around Canterbury?
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Are we back around Canterbury?
Not in the Canterbury area JohnFilmer. Head North East (ish) ...
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There was an explosion nearby in 2007
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Richborough?
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Richborough?
Not Richborough Stewie but you are quite close. A much smaller explosion. The pub is on a road that connects two villages and probably does a good trade with numerous holiday makers who stay close by.
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Was it an Astra nomical explosion?
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Was it an Astra nomical explosion?
Not that one although that's not too far away. I'm sure anyone in the area of the pub heard the Astra explosion. However, there was another smaller explosion closer to this pub. Didn't get the same publicity as the Astra one but the village was evacuated. The pub is on a road that connects two villages and probably does a good trade with numerous holiday makers who stay close by.
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Further clue:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44262000/jpg/_44262420_minsterfire_203.jpg)
Explosion in Kent Village. Homes were evacuated and an exclusion zone put in place after a fire broke out at a farm workshop which contained gas canisters.
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Now called a Lodge.
Until recent years it was more of a hamlet with just a few houses, this pub and a church. Now more built up with housing.
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Head south from the pub and you would cross a railway line, then farmland with dykes and end up on the bank of the River Stour.
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The Royal Oak, Mersham?
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White Stag Monckton
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White Stag Monkton
Well done Pete. The reference to numerous holiday makers was the large Foxhunter Holiday Park which is adjacent.
Over to you ...
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Another pubby one- still trading I think
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South of Maidstone?
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no
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The Bush Blackbird and Thrush, East Peckham ?
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it is, I really thought that would go on a bit longer
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Thanks Pete, it took a lot of searching and then I struck lucky.
Next one - should be easy ...
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East Peckham Methodist Chapel?
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Well done Diapason - that was quick.
Over to you...
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Thanks John!
I had a bit of luck with that one. The only help was the white, vertical strip which appeared to have the correct number of blurred characters of Methodist Church
Here`s another church to find - not very difficult as I`m running out of suitable photos.
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Catholic Church Sheerness?
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Yes! The church on the waterfront, St. Henry and St. Elizabeth.
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It's a great landmark when approaching the coast from seaward, either coming around Sheppey or in along the Medway approach channel.
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And another one
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Looks like it might be on an estate. Medway area?
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no & no
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East Kent ?
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West
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Tonbridge area?
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Dartford area?
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Mid west Kent
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Borough Green?
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About 15 miles away
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Village?
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yes, convenient for old fashioned cures and modern ones
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Benenden? (Chest Hospital etc)
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no,old ones are older than that
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East Grinstead?
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That's West Sussex not Kent !!!
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Any connection with spa water in the Tunbridge Wells outer areas?
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getting in warm waters ;D
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Any link with hydrotherapy?
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In a way but not that near. Pogues?
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Royal Oak, Henwood Green Road, Pembury?
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That's the one Near T Wells & it's spa waters, near Pembury Hospital, Shane McGowan of large ears and few teeth and of The Pogues was born in Pembury
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Thanks Pete,
I'd searched Pembury pubs previously but for some reason the Royal Oak didn't come up. Your Pogues clue was the clincher.
Next one.
Where is this pond?
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A shot in the dark - Mote Park?
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A shot in the dark - Mote Park?
Not Mote Park 🙂
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Calverley Park Tun Wells?
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Calverley Park Tun Wells?
Not Calverley Park Pete. Too far west.
Until more recent years there was an aviary near the pond.
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https://doverhistorian.com/2014/04/12/connaught-park-part-ii/
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https://doverhistorian.com/2014/04/12/connaught-park-part-ii/ (https://doverhistorian.com/2014/04/12/connaught-park-part-ii/)
Well done Local Hiker - you have it.
Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker. I have never been but it looks a nice place, easily googled to find it.
This is a nice building, a little off the beaten track for what its purpose was. I have hidden the pub name to the right, otherwise it would have been a little easy to find. Where was I? (November 2020)
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The Old County Courthouse, near the Lord Nelson pub and the Dockyard on the Isle of Sheppey?
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Spot on, Diapason. I cannot find out much about it on The Internet. The whole area, Blue Town, is steeped in history. I love walking or cycling around there. (I must reduce image sizes in future)
Over to you...
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A change from churches and pubs :-
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Somewhere beside the A249 ?
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Aylesford on the river bank opposite the Friars
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Elmley, Isle of Sheppey. Just below the old crossing near the old Ferry Road?
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Shoot999, I was there after Xmas. It looks quite different...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=986727241855193&set=pb.100015537788796.-2207520000..&type=3
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Spot on, shoot999!
Shoot999, I was there after Xmas. It looks quite different...
I took this photo at least 5 years ago.
I must get out with my camera - all my offerings are being guessed immediately. I thought this one would have lasted bit longer.
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Spot on, shoot999!
Shoot999, I was there after Xmas. It looks quite different...
I took this photo at least 5 years ago.
I must get out with my camera - all my offerings are being guessed immediately. I thought this one would have lasted bit longer.
Got it just by chance as I was familiar with the area 50 years ago. And I think with Covid we are all getting a bit short on GTP pics to choose from.
Hence my next offering ;D
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CAV Strood?
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Not Strood, but that part of Kent.
Were CAV in Strood? I remember dad working for them along the Esplanade in Rochester.
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Lucas/CAV Gillingham.
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Not Strood, but that part of Kent.
Were CAV in Strood? I remember dad working for them along the Esplanade in Rochester.
May be wrong on CAV, I thought they were on Priory Rd Strood towards the Darnley Rd, Cuxton Rd junctions, just before the raileay bridge
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Gillingham. But not Lucas/CAV. And given the GTP is a similar operation, if you guess the company I will need the location of the actual branch.
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Foremans Road?
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Foremans Road?
Not Foremans Road. (Is there a Foremans Road in Gillingham?)
To clarify, you don't need the name of the company if you know the location. The well known company no longer operates out of this particular site.
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Not Foremans Road. (Is there a Foremans Road in Gillingham?)
It was just a guess as CAV seemed to be the company we were looking for at the time. They had an operation in a Foremans Road - possibly not Medway though
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Somewhere on Gillingham Business Park?
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Somewhere on Gillingham Business Park?
Not the Business Park or any industrial area. Residential and situated on a reasonably busy road.
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The big Factory building that used to stand at the top of Canterbury Street.Demolished a few years ago.
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The big Factory building that used to stand at the top of Canterbury Street. Demolished a few years ago.
This building is still there as far as I know. At least on GSV in 2019!
You are very close
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The Sunlight Laundry in Richmond Road
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The Sunlight Laundry in Richmond Road
To far away, grandarog was really close.
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Junction of Kimberley Road and Canterbury Street. Called The Factory now - might be something to do with hair dressing. If I'm right it looks like the road has been widened since the photo was taken.
Numerous businesses listed there over a long period but not sure what it was when photo was taken. Possibly Jubilee Components Ltd?
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Junction of Kimberley Road and Canterbury Street. Called The Factory now - might be something to do with hair dressing. If I'm right it looks like the road has been widen since the photo was taken.
You have it John. Called the Factory now, and called the Factory then! It was No 1 Factory, Jubilee Clips. The re-plating production shop. I was born just behind the factory in Pretoria Street and never knew of its connection to Jubilee Clips until I read about it on the old Forum. :)
It was being run by the widow of Commander Lumley; the inventor of the clip, as war approached. The story goes that when the men from the Ministry turned up to take over the running of this essential business from a mere women; she promptly kicked them off the site and ran it herself for the duration.
Over to you
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The vans outside are Jubilee vehicles.
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Thanks Shoot999. An interesting one. I could just make out the word 'COMPONENTS' on the old faded sign in some of the earlier street views. I've lost count of the number of Jubilee Clips I've used over the years!
Next one.
Where is this and what is the use of the bridge?
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The bridge is possibly Victorian.
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Great Lines -moat?
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Great Lines -moat?
Not there Pete - head east. Lots of history in the area.
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Quote from shoot999 :-This building is still there as far as I know. At least on GSV in 2019!
The one I reffered to was Demolished some time ago. :)
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Quote from shoot999 :-This building is still there as far as I know. At least on GSV in 2019!
The one I reffered to was Demolished some time ago. :)
Ah yes, thats the site of the old Jezreel towers which was demolished in the 60s. The Canterbury Street side of the site in your view was where the Jezreelites had their row of shops. Looked a bit tatty in the end with many of the shops boarded up. No wonder they knocked them down. Incidentally, in the background of your GSV is the other more well known Jubilee Clips building that was situated on Watling Street.
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shoot999. Sad that Jezreels went but inevitable I suppose as the faith seemed to die out. Did they build something worthwhile in its, & the shops, place? I can still hear the conductor/ conductress calling out," Jezreels", on the M&D bus as it swung round the corner. Probably carried on well into the 60's even though the building was gone- a bit like " Seaplane works", on the Esplanade route. Sorry, Moderator but "asides" seem to be more fitting as just that, rather than starting a new thread?
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There's another smaller and less substantial bridge serving a similar purpose behind the camera position. Not industrial.
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Are they walkways to a place of interest? NT property or similar?
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Are they walkways to a place of interest? NT property or similar?
No, the track is part of a route. This part of the route is quite unusual and I found it by accident. If you were to climb the bank at the side of the track you would have a good viewpoint across the area.
The view on this photo can be seen on GSV.
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Dover?
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Dover?
Yes JohnFilmer, Dover it is.
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Western Heights?
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Western Heights?
Not there Pete. The route shown in my photo can be followed on GSV.
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Saxon Shore way, Shakespeare Cliff
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Saxon Shore way, Shakespeare Cliff
Not there either Pete.
Further clue. The track is part of a major Kent walking trail.
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Etchinghill
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Etchinghill
Not there Pete - stay in Dover. This path is very unusual. The vehicles using that bridge will be travelling slowly as they go over it.
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Is it on the track bed of the old St Margaret’s and Martin Mill Railway Line.
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Is it on the track bed of the old St Margaret’s and Martin Mill Railway Line.
Not there Grandarog.
Stay in Dover. One end of this path is fairly close to the town centre and then heads uphill away from the town. It's a section of a popular walking route and could be quite creepy to some at night.
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The Castle Footpath from Maison dieu Road up to Laurenston place ???
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The Castle Footpath from Maison dieu Road up to Laurenston place ???
Not that footpath but you are very close. You are certainly thinking right. The route you are looking for can be followed on GSV. Find somewhere fairly near your guess above, that some might find creepy at night.
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Old Charlton Rd to Fort Bourgoyne / Connaught Park , spooky- cemetery, slow vehicles - hearses
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You beat me to it Pete . :) I just trailed all the way up past the Cemetery and you had posted when I came to post.
No idea what goes over the top of the bridge. :P
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Hearses :D
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Well done Pete (and Grandarog). Yes, it's hearses that will drive slowly over that bridge. There's a circular 'dropping off' point just after the bridge for that area of the cemetery. The bridge further along looks like it's for pedestrian use only. It's now part of the North Downs Way walking route on the way to Canterbury and beyond. The cemetery is massive and is on both sides of Old Charlton Road. I found it quite fascinating.
So, over to you Pete and commiserations Grandarog.
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Spooky gave it away ::) Another sad - no longer there pub
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This looks like the back entrance, is there a front somewhere, or does it not face a road?
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That is side on to the road and back view, an old building much altered
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Town or village?
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Village
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East Kent?
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Cement land
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Whats cement land???
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Fleur De Lys Burham. Demolished about ten years ago.
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Lutonman, the area of North Kent where all was white even in summer, Well done Shoot999 spot on, remembered in Fleu de Lys Close now on the site
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Thank you Pete.
This one was taken mid 60s just after it was built.
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Thong Lane Sports/ Bill Reagans bar ?
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Not there Pete.
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A school?
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More where you might go when not at school.
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Quarter Deck Youth Club, Margate?
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More where you might go when not at school.
Labour exchange :o
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Nearer Pete's Gravesend than Margate geographically, but comparable to Margate in other ways. The relatively unimportant building is part of a larger well known site not connected to work or study.
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Sheppey?
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Gravesend was too far west, Sheppey too far east Pete
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Rainham?
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Not Rainham, but almost there.
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Walderslade?
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A school with adjacent youth club?
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Nothing formal like a school, youth club, and not exclusively for children. To recap, near Rainham, a nondescript building within a larger complex and no connection to work or study.
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One of those Jezreel shops was a curtain fabric one.
I had made to measure curtains made for my new home in 1975. Loved them and the ladies who worked there. May well have been the one with the green pillar in the middle of it.
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Parkwood Comunity Centre
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Very much an open air facility Pete
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Berengrave Nature Reserve?
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The Strand
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Well done Pete. Its the Strand Cafe. I've put up the two previous Strand Cafes on GTP and they went pretty quickly. This ones quite new so obvious took longer. It's only been there 55 years lol.
As you can see from this pic, I had to crop it quite severely to cover up the more obvious landmarks.
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Just for a change NOT a pub
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Port of London Building on the banks of the Thames at Gravesend?
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It is, home of the pilots. When I was on calls, working in the Clarendon Hotel opposite never ceased to amaze me the number of pilots that came in, with their chart cases and asked for "the usual, I'm sailing in 15 minutes". Barman gets a bottle of Perrier out of the cooler, tips half down the sink and adds a couple of shots of gin or vodka. I'm sure such things never happen now :o
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Thanks Pete,
Funny story about the pilots and their top ups. I guessed it was near water due to the stilts. Tried the Medway area and then move onto Gravesend. A town I've never visited. I'm sure there's plenty of history to explore on day.
Next one - not a pub or a church this time - should be an easy one for our railway guys...
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Chartham ??
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Chartham ??
Not Chartham, Grandadrog.
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Single line, no conductor rail, looks like a heritage railway. Is it Wittersham Road signal box on the Kent & East Sussex railway?
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Single line, no conductor rail, looks like a heritage railway. Is it Wittersham Road signal box on the Kent & East Sussex railway?
You have it Stewie. Must be the least used halt on that line. It's so remote. I'm not even sure if the trains stop there but it looks like it could be used as a passing loop.
Over to you :D
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Thank you John Walker it’s nice to have a GTP that I can take part in! :)
[/size][/color]Wittersham Road is indeed a passing loop station between Rolvenden and Bodiam on the KE&SR. Trains do stop there and just by the signal box is a children's playground where we took the grandchildren whilst on a visit a couple of years ago. The Wittersham Road box I think I am right in saying was the former Deal Junction signal box located on the Kearsney Triangle on the 'Western' Junction. The junction now removed, allowed trains from the direction of Canterbury East to access the line toward Deal, Sandwich and Minster.[/size][/color] [/size][/color]I took the next picture a couple of years ago whilst on a 'solo' day out. Probably easy if you have been there! [/size]
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A museum in East Kent?
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Right on both counts JW the two figures used to be part of a larger diorama.
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Roman Painted House Dover?
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Roman Painted House Dover?
Pretty close Pete!
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Dover Museum
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Yes you have it Pete, we used to take the children here in the 90s when it was the 'White Cliffs Experience' a very good day out.
The figures in the photo were part of a larger exhibit exploring the Roman landings at Richborough and also the port of Dover under Roman rule and the 'Classis Britania' fleet. I was at a loose end one day and decided to visit to see what remained displayed in the Dover Town museum, worth a visit when all opens up again.
Over to you :)
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Not a pub!!!!!!
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Does it still exist?
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It does
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Hotel/Venue?
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Don't think so
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West Kent?
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more north
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Struggling with this one. House/grounds open to the public?
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Ingress Abbey, Greenhithe, Kent
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Well done PR1uk. Spot on!
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I would have never remembered that one until it came up as the answer.
I wonder what you are going to hit us with PR1uk. :D
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an easy one
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I'm thinking either Ramsgate Tunnels or Fan Bay, Dover. I don't recall a section like that in Ramsgate Tunnels so I'll opt for Fan Bay which I've yet to visit.
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I'm thinking either Ramsgate Tunnels or Fan Bay, Dover. I don't recall a section like that in Ramsgate Tunnels so I'll opt for Fan Bay which I've yet to visit.
Said it was easy yes under Dover
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Thank you PR1uk.
Next one ...
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I think that is great Mayham Hall over Rolvenden way. :)
Visited years ago 1n the 1970's when our kids were small.Think it was Nat Heretage or Open Gardens. Had beautiful huge gardens ,apparently the Secret Garden from the book is there but didn't see it. I believe it is all luxury Flats now.
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That was quick Grandarog. I believe the grounds are still open on Open Garden days although some of the property is now luxury apartments.
Over to you.
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Thanks John Walker. :)
Next one , Where did I see this stormy cut off rainbow
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a scrap yard?
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Not a scrap yard .ME9 postcode.
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North of the M2? West of A249?
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North of the M2? West of A249? Correct
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Isle of Grain?
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Medway Council recycling centre at Shawstead Road?
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Bobbing Car Breakers
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Lower Halstow area?
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Diapason's within a couple of miles. :)
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Raspberry Hill Iwade?
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Sittingbourne Speedway - I always thought it was Iwade Grass Track?
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Sittingbourne Speedway - I always thought it was Iwade Grass Track?
Not a grass track John, but a speedway track. it has always been Iwade, but a few teams have run there. The first being the Iwade Colts, then for a time Sittingbourne Crusaders and Kent Crusaders, and some amateur teams such as the Dragons.
Pre covid it was back to its original purpose of a training track, and occasional one off meetings; i.e. The Ivor Thomas Memorial Trophy. (The original founder with his brother Barry Thomas, Hackney and England rider.)
Its now known as the Iwade Speedway Club, The Old Gun Site, Old Ferry Road Iwade. You can find some old videos of the track on youtube.
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Thanks for the info shoot999. I don't know why I had it in my head that it was a grass track.
As to whether it's the right answer for this GTP, we'll wait and see. ;)
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Went the wrong way John Walker. :)
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Flogas towards Ridham Docks?
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Motney Hill Water Treatment Plant?
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Come back east across the river.
Right angle view of the container can be seen on Street view.
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Talking of `speedway ` like you were ` - the two Roger brother`s lived in the street -
next to mine - in Chatham - They both rode for `Newcross` in the 1950`s.
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Ricks Garage, The St. To the north of Upchurch.
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Horsham Lake / R&H Motor Company ?
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I'le give it to shoot999 Well done..
It is actually the entrance to Street Farm at Upchurch. Ricks Garage is in one of the Units.
On the subject Rick is a very competent and well trained technician who I can highly recommend for your vehicle needs.
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I'le give it to shoot999 Well done..
It is actually the entrance to Street Farm at Upchurch. Ricks Garage is in one of the Units.
On the subject Rick is a very competent and well trained technician who I can highly recommend for your vehicle needs.
Thanks for that grandarog.
And the next
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Talking of `speedway ` like you were ` - the two Roger brother`s lived in the street -
next to mine - in Chatham - They both rode for `Newcross` in the 1950`s.
Cyril and Bert :)
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Its on the corner of Victoria Street and East Row in Rochester. The part you blocked out says 'WOODHAMS & Co Ltd'
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Its on the corner of Victoria Street and East Row in Rochester. The part you blocked out says 'WOODHAMS & Co Ltd'
Thats it Stewie. The old Woodhams Brewery. Now converted to luxury flats.
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Thanks Shoot999, being local and having driven past it many times I recognised it straight away! Did not know it used to be a brewery though. The next one is a interesting military museum which Mrs Stewie and myself visited a few years back. I guess you will know it if you have visited so may need some clues later.
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Kent Sharpshooters at Hever
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Sorry Pete, head North East from there!
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Pure guess as have yet to visit .Royal Engineers Museum , Chatham.
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Royal West Kents at Maidstone museum
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The museum is located in a one of old ‘Palmersons’ follies 👍
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Royal Engineers Museum Chatham ?
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No sorry Johnwalker but you are in the right part of the county
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Fort Amherst?
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Not Fort Amherst Pete
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Fort Luton
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Yes Fort Luton it is, the photo was taken inside on of the tunnels which link the front and rear of the fort. The fort (assuming it reopens) welcomes visitors roughly once a month and although they don't have a great deal what hey have it quite interesting. On the day we visited there was also a detachment of a WW1 re-enactment infantry company based there. Over to you Pete.
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Another alcoholic one
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Not found so far. West Kent ?
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Yes western side of the county almost on the borders
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Pete. I have no idea really but it looks Tunbridge Wells'lsh.
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North of. Area looks gentrified to what it used to be
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The Pier Hotel, Greenhithe
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it is,bit posh around there now i used to service a couple of bars along there-a real dump in the 1970s-80s.
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it is,bit posh around there now i used to service a couple of bars along there-a real dump in the 1970s-80s.
Thank you Pete.
And the next.
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Fort Clarence
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Fort Clarence
You have it Pete
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One more from the world of forts, hopefully it will last longer than fort Clarence one
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One more from the world of forts, hopefully it will last longer than fort Clarence one
So do I, so I will give this one a miss. ;D
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Saves it turning into the Pete & Shoot show ;D
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Very Fortful of you both :D :D :D
Slough Fort, Allhallows ?
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OK so now it's the Pete,Shoot & JW show. Thought it might have lasted longer
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Thanks Pete
Next one ...
Clue. There is not a fort in this photo. ;D
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Is it one of the villages along the Nailbourne stream?
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Shoreham
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Not on the Nailbourne CAT and not Shoreham Pete.
It is a named river that runs under that bridge.
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This river is a tributary of another tributary. The cottages still remain and can be seen on GSV.
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That would be the bridge in Bridge Street over the Wingham River that flows into the Little Stour at Wingham?
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That's it CAT. I never knew the Wingham 'River' had a name until this view cropped up. It's only trickle - hardly a river :D
Over to you ...
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On EBay at the moment.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274747318733?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274747318733?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001)
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Thanks Grandarog. As you've probably guessed my GTP was taken from a section of that postcard. Would be a good buy for anyone with Wingham connections.
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Apologies for the delay.
I know this pic very well, and whilst the bridge over the stream/river still survives, it has been altered due to increased traffic requiring the road to be widened. The small 'fenced' area to one side was originally a small ford, itself possibly harking back to a time before the bridge was built in the eighteenth century. Many other similar bridges across other small rivers and streams in the area appeared to follow suit (Littlebourne, Bridge, Barham, Patrixbourne, Bekesbourne to name a few), some of which still possess fords in their back lanes. These lanes are usually temporarily closed during the winter as some of the streams are seasonal such as the Nailbourne as it passes up the upper reaches of the Elham Valley. However, the Wingham 'River' flows permanently and starts in a series of natural springs towards the east of Wingham.
Here is my next, which despite looking like a typical rural scene, has a twist in its tail. This might not last too long either?
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River Len Maidstone?
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River Dour in Dover ?
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Neither of those Pete and John Walker. Pete you need to head east, whilst John Walker needs to head southwest(ish).
In my pic, its the pond that is the remarkable feature. It's still in existence, but altered, whilst most of the houses are still there.
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Isn't SW from Dover a very big pond with salty water?
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Matfield ?
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You were closer with your Dover clue John Walker. Southwest(ish) from Dover would take you along the coast.
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You were closer with your Dover clue John Walker. Southwest(ish) from Dover would take you along the coast.
Having a 'stupid' moment and getting my directions muddled ;D ;D ;D
How about Radnor Park in Folkestone ?
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Right town, wrong location John Walker. This body of water, very much diminished in recent years has a connection with a lesser, but locally important, [size=78%]Kentish saint.[/size]
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St Eanswythe Way?
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The Bayle Pond, Folkestone ?
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You have it John Walker, though Pete has the correct name of the Saint. It is indeed the pond at The Bayle, Folkestone. Previously known as St Eanswythe's pond, this body of water, which when this pic was taken in the late nineteenth - early twentieth century had already been reduced in size, was fed by an artificial waterway known as St Eanswythe's Water. This took fresh water from a spring at the base of the Folkstone hills (near the nineteenth century waterworks reservoirs) and transported the water across the Pent Valley, crossing the Pent Stream, and into the heart of the medieval town. Assumed to have been originally created by St Eanswythe in the mid seventh century, her miracle was to make water flow uphill to the area know known as The Bayle. Known to have been the area of an early Anglo Saxon minster foundation, the site of the pond is actually approximately 75m from the cliffe edge overlooking the site of Folkestone's nineteenth century pier. Sadly, the pond was further reduced to a 'Blue Peter' sized pond in the mid - late twentieth century, but was supposed to have been fed by the natural spring water well into the early twentieth century.
Over to you John Walker with a mention in dispatches to Pete.
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Thanks, I did wonder about the pond but thought it too small & no similar buildings around it now
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Thanks CAT - a very interesting one. Not an area one would expect to find a pond in. What a shame the pond has been reduced so much. Your mention of a Kentish Saint put me in the right area. You were on the right lines too Pete.
Next one ...
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Aha! Sneaking back to previously trodden ground :D
Cemetery entrance at junction of Old Charlton Road, Dane Court and Roman Road, Dover.
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Well done JohnFilmer :D Spot on.
There are three cemeteries in that immediate area. St Mary's Cemetery where my earlier GTP was taken. St James Cemetery and this one is Charlton Cemetery.
St James Cemetery is of particular interest.
During the First World War, Dover was a port of embarkation for troops bound for the Western Front and between August 1914 and August 1919 some 1,300,000 Commonwealth sick and wounded were landed there. The port was bombed in 1915 and again in August 1916.
There are 387 identified burials of the 1914-1918 war here. In addition there are 19 unidentified burials, 9 of whom can be named as victims of the Zeebrugge Raid, and these 9 are inscribed on a Special Memorial on the Cross of Sacrifice in the Zeebrugge Plot.
In 1940, Dover was the headquarters for the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force from Dunkirk and nearly 200,000 of the 366,000 British and Allied troops brought back during the operation were landed there. Throughout the war Dover was a particular target for the long range guns on the French coast and between September 1939 and May 1945 there were no less than 742 attacks by air raid and shelling.
Most of the 356 Second World War burials are contained in a special war graves plot at the far end of the cemetery. The plot, know as the Dunkirk plot, contains many graves from the Dunkirk operation. 22 of these burials are unidentified. There are also 8 Foreign National war burials and 3 non war service burials in the cemetery.
Over to you.
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Apologies for the delay, I'm unable to do much when my wife is on Zoom, and then I forgot :-\
So where is this Grade 2 listed medieval bridge - now bypassed.
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Mid Kent
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Wye Bridge?
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West from Wye, and down a bit. Golden Shot, never heard of it 8)
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River Beult ?
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Right river JW, but which bridge, where?
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Bridge on the River Beult Rabbits Cross Side ,at Forge Lane, Hertsfield. :)
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Grandarog, I’m afraid Mr Google and I are having trouble finding your chosen spot.
However I’m certain that the bridge is not on Forge Lane (according to the road signs).
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Town bridge Yalding?
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Bell Lane, Smarden ?
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There are 2 Bridges over the Beult at Hertsfield allegedly on Forge Lane.. Connected by an Island in the Moddle . One is Cross in Hand and Other is Rabbits Cross.
I only have the following to verify my guess. Further research suggests the bridges might be on Chart Hill Road which leads to Forge Lane.
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1209182 (https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1209182)
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Grandarog, I thought you might mean those bridges, but they are in use, mine is bypassed by a new bridge alongside it.
JW has found it on Bell Lane Smarden. It’s not quite halfway between the junction at Shenley Road and the Bell pub. It is called Hadmans Bridge.
Once more into the breach JW :)
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Thanks JohnFilmer. Going for the Beult was a lucky guess.
Next one ... Another old bridge.
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Is it on the Stour?
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Is it on the Stour?
Not there - other end of the county. Great history nearby.
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Lullingstone?
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Lullingstone?
Not there but you're getting closer Pete.
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So on the Darenth?
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So on the Darenth?
Further south.
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Penshurst area?
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Penshurst area?
Not too far away. The river you are looking for passes through here.
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River Eden, Hever Rd Hever
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River Eden, Hever Rd Hever
You earned that one Pete :D . A road I plan to be travelling along when I visit Hever Castle later in the year.
Over to you ...
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This pub is NOT called The Bridge. It's current name or it's old historical name will do.
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Looks seaside(ish) so how about Whitstable?
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Good 20 miles from the beach
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Tonbridge area?
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no, more than 5 less than 35 miles
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West Malling area?
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Within 15 miles
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Is it the Anchor Teeston, Yalding
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no , in a town
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I've held back as I've put quite a few GTPs up recently but it seems to have gone quiet. Very little to go on with this one. I've had a look at all the towns within 15 miles of West Malling without success. Need to narrow it down - Maidstone?
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Maidstone
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Sun Inn, Bank Street. Maidstone.
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It is, Sun Inn for centuries, now The Stag wtf? Situated in Middle Row view is from Bank Street rather than the better known High St view
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It is, Sun Inn for centuries, now The Stag wtf? Situated in Middle Row view is from Bank Street rather than the better known High St view
Thanks Pete,
I struggled with that one. That view didn't come up in any of my searches but I did think possibly Maidstone as it looked pedestrianised.
Next one ...
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I'll pass on this one!
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John, I love the way you use B&W to make us thing the photo is old, and then you spot the two satellite dishes!
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Mid Kent
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Cheveney Mill, Hunton according to Mr Google.
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Hooray at last!!!
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Cheveney Mill, Hunton according to Mr Google.
You have it JohnFilmer :D [size=78%]. Looks like it's all residential now.[/size]
Over to you ...
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I've been electronically wandering up and down streams and rivers all over the place, but somehow had a blind spot over the Yalding area, which is, of course, notoriously damp. Plus we worked all round there, including the next farm - I thought it looked familiar.
So, and now for something completely different...
In colour because that's important. I spotted this Green Post Box on a recent trip out (Post Lockdown ::) ). North Kent, High Street location.
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Close to the Thames?
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Not the Thames, but North Kent is never far from water.
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The High Street is an A Road, hence I used a Google image rather than risking life and limb (and a spoiled picture) dodging the traffic in the narrow section where this is located.
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A299?
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Not A299
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I'm working my way along the A2 - lots of similar properties. Am I on the right A Road ?
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Spot on JW, somewhere along the A2. A nice short road...
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You were in Ospringe, close to the junction with Maison Dieu. A very busy road, most times of the day.
DTT
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That’s the place DTT. I spotted it on my way to our appointment at Preston tip, sorry, recycling site. Such exciting lives we lead now :)
Over to you...
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Thank you, johnfilmer. A road I have driven on so many times. There are some really nice properties there, just the road problem makes living there noisy, I would guess.
Anyway, where was this?
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A shot in the dark, Swanscombe?
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No, way too far West. Think other end of the county.
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milton regis?
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Much further East chaps.
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Blean Workhouse
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It is a workhouse, Pete. But not Blean. You are getting closer (less than 20 miles).
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Are they Coastguard cottages next to it?
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No, Pete. They are not. But you are not that far from the sea. In fact I used to walk (occasionally) from home, to here as a lad. And home was in a seaside town. It was a four mile walk.
DTT
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That's the Thanet Workhouse (renamed to Hill House Hospital) at Minster. Photo taken early 1900's from the South.My Grandparents dreaded ever going into there as it was generally the last stop for people on low incomes, generally followed by a paupers funeral.
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That's it Beachbum. Spot on. The photo shows Tothill Street (as it is named now), Minster. The cemetery is to the left and it is heading towards Manston.
Over to you.
DTT
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Beachbum. Most of the old Workhouses were renamed Asylums before becoming Hospitals. I expect it was that name that sent shivers up your Grandparents' spines, for Asylum was always associated with Lunatic. ie madman/woman. Some were even renamed as Lunatic Asylum(e.g. Bexleyheath) before a more subtle name was used. I used to visit the Hospital Engineer at Bexley & there were plans in picture frames all along the corridor leading to his office from the earliest date, as Workhouse, through Lunatic Asylum, Asylum, Mental Institute,( a couple that I've forgotten), to just Hospital. It's really only in recent times that mental illness, in all its forms has become a complete department on its own. And of course is very much ongoing with the results of lockdown affecting many of the younger generation. We oldies were lucky in that respect.
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As Newhaven workhouse was known as Hill House I googled Hill House Workhouse to see if it was commonly used as a name for workhouses and there are at least 2 in Kent, Elham & Thanet and several elsewgere. When I stewarded at Newhaven Museum we often had family history searchers asking for info on Hill House, thinking it was grand only to be shocked to find it was the Workhouse
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Hopefully there is a attached photo for your search powers.........
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Bishopsbourne?
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I seem to recall something similar on Thanet as a kid. I will start by asking Thanet?
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Sandling branch line tunnel ?
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One of you is correct..............
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Many years ago, we never used Ramsgate Railway Station as it was a long walk to the town and beach. Always alighted at Dumpton Park and finished the journey by using the little railway from Dumpton Park to the Ramsgate seafront which, I believe, was the site of the original Ramsgate Rail Station. I`ve got an old postcard (somewhere) showing a main line steam loco. standing approx. where the Dumpton line terminated at the seafront. Although I don`t remember seeing the tunnel entrance in Beachbum`s photo.
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One of you is correct..............
I'm fairly certain it's on the Sandling Branch going by the brickwork around the arch?
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Dave The Train was onto it and Diapason was spot on.
It is the 1863 Kent Coast Line Tunnel from Dumpton through to Ramsgate Sands Station. The ornate exterior was only seen when arriving from London (via Broadstairs) and plain at the other end (a common theme).
This is the best preserved Tunnel of it's vintage apparently.
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... and shamefully I went to school within a stone's throw from here. But I had it my mind that it was elsewhere on the island!
DTT
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I genuinely believed that John Walker had this one as, although using the railway many times, I still cannot recall the tunnel entrance.
Here`s one of a building that no longer exists but, having a family connection, I visited the building, a few years ago, which now stands on the site and was allowed to take a photo of a framed picture which I was shown .....
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A hospital?
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Laundry?
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Metropole Laundry Dymchurch Rd Hythe
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Yes, a laundry but not Dymchurch, Pete!
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It's got a twin then, check it on google images, only the mansard roof differs. Perhaps same company?
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Laundry Road, Minster ?
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Yes! The old Minster Steam Laundry, now long-gone. My Granddad was the engineer there.
Did you spot the horse drawn wagon in the photo?
Here it is on Ramsgate beach in a very sorry state - one of granddad`s photos.
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Thanks Diapson. That was a lucky guess but I remembered there being a Laundrey Road in Minster. Great photo of the horse drawn wagon. I hope they managed to dig the horse out ok ;) .
Next one .....
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That’s Bapchild. I very nearly used it myself a while ago.
I presume that you found it looking for my Ospringe post box.
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That was quick JohnFilmer. I used it too soon perhaps. Yes I came across it while looking for your post box GTP.
Over to you again :)
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JW That building has intrigued me in recent years, unfortunately I can't remember it from the late 60s when I used to go to Bapchild quite frequently.
Anyway here's an old mill by a pond, but which mill?
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Loose area ?
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Not Loose, more to the east(ish).
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River Len ?
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River Len it is :)
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Chegworth Water Mill ?
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I think you have it John. I'm seeing the sane view at https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2435482,0.6481291,3a,75y,123.34h,83.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szVZqEE3gkJ8yetsWJ3pTNg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2435482,0.6481291,3a,75y,123.34h,83.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szVZqEE3gkJ8yetsWJ3pTNg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
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It is indeed Chegworth Mill. I drove past it on my way to work virtually every day for over 30 years.
The bump in the road where it crossed the stream to the right of this picture led to “Capri drivers stoop” as you tried to avoid your head making painful contact with the intrusive sun roof. If you got the throttle open too early to power up the hill, it would hurt :(
Back to you JW
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As an aside, we viewed the house on the right when it was for sale in about 2007/8. It was a beautiful house but blighted by the noise on a Sunday from the semi-unlawful motorcycle events that took place at the end of the road. The noise of the scramblers carried terribly and made being outside awful.
I believe these bike meets have now been brought to a stop.
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Thanks JohnFilmer. Took a bit of finding but it had the 'feel' of the area of the Len.
It looks like the scrambling might still be going on. Or at least it was on the 2019 photo on GSV. So close to Leeds Castle too.
Next one.
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East of the county.
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We've been very close to this one before.
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Seaside town?
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chilham?
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Not a seaside town CAT
You are correct with Chilham Pete
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This one will last! An ex church
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St Mary's Eastwell?
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no, mid kent
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A wedding venue?
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Not far frrom one but I think this is a private house. We had the agents details long ago, I think it was about £6k. Wife didn't like the bit that said "no landscaping, ponds or swimming pools, footings or foundations over 300mm deep , unhindered access must be given to visitors seeking memorial stones"
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Bearsted area?
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5 miles about
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Could it be St Laurence's Church, Allington?
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it could be ;D All yours
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Very interesting find Pete, took a lot of looking.
Now back to one of our staples, a Dead Pub. As ever - where?
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between A2, A20 & A229?
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South of A20
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I'll take a stab at Brickmakers arms Maidstone
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Not there Pete.
In the words of that very annoying song that accompanies the “How not to die when your car breaks on a Smart motorway “ tv ad ... Go Left!
By the way I really would love to see the chunky driver in that ad get out the passenger door as said song instructs. I certainly can’t get over the tunnel in our Skoda Yeti, no idea where the gear-lever would end up :o
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Ditton area?
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Further west.
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Hadlow area?
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Not Hadlow, Pete, but you have come the right distance west.
It was a popular country pub when I first knew it in the 70s. Very busy on a Sunday lunchtime. It had a function room, all with only a few houses close by.
There is/was a more basic “local” just down the hill as you look at the picture.
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Blue Bell Beltring
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Not far from water, it’s at the bottom of the hill. Mill as well.
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Is the water the River Medway?
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Not the Medway, and apart from the millpond, it’s more of a stream although marked as a river on maps.
The mill is there in name these days, replaced by housing. There was another mill at the next lane, which also joins the hill from the pub down to the river, but there is no evidence on GSV.
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Are we talking grain mills or powder mills?
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The one with the extant millpond was a paper mill. I think the missing one was corn.
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GSV has images of the building work in progress when viewed from one side of the junction behind the photo view.
It looks as though they have retained the old pub sign, suitably altered, for the name of the new development. The sign features a tree, not an oak, walnut, chestnut or most other trees used in pub names. They planted some of these trees near my old house to celebrate the millennium, but they did not survive.
Other pubs/inns of this name use an alternative emblem on their signs, rather than the tree of the same name.
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River Bourne, East Peckham. Near Little Mill ?
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That’s the right river JW, but not East Peckham, and remember this pub is some way up the side of the valley with the river, mill, etc below.
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Whetsted?
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You are all way too South.
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Chequers Crouch
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You have it Pete.
In1976 I had started small-bore target shooting in a disused quarry in Borough Green, and my girlfriend (now wife) was having horse riding lessons at a farm in Crouch. So we and a few others would meet up in the pub on Sunday lunchtime after our activities. Happy Days!
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i had it in my mind earlier on but couldn't remember the name. i once picked my brother in law up from there with his& our kids, They'd gone metal detectoring in the woods & couldn't remember/find where they were parked :D Scenic tour of the lanes looking for a car!! Another dead pub, then a restaurant then a house now seemingly back to a pub
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East Kent ?
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West Kent
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It looks as though they have retained the old pub sign, suitably altered, for the name of the new development. The sign features a tree, not an oak, walnut, chestnut or most other trees used in pub names. They planted some of these trees near my old house to celebrate the millennium, but they did not survive.
The Chequer Tree Sorbus Torminalis aka Wild Service tree white underside to the leaves
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No luck so far. Tonbridge area?
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more north
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No joy with this one. Another clue perhaps :D
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A B road that is pretty much a "ratrun"
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B260?
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no, 4 numbers
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Is the rat run to avoid the A2?
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No just a link between 2 A roads that loosely run East -West
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As far north as West Kingsdown?
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no, South of the M26
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Is the two A road A2 and A20?
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A20 is one
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Moody Mare, Seven Mile Lane.
I mis-read your clue and thought the B road ran roughly east/west and not the A roads that it connects to. Trying to find a B road in the area that runs east/west was great fun :D :D :D
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Another renamed pub, was always The Beech Inn. I'm pretty sure I stripped the beer dispense out about 1975 when several pubs were sold off around that area. It reopened as a restaurant a couple of years later for a while
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Thanks Pete. Moody Mare is typical of the current run of 'trendy' pub names.
Next one - which village is this?
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I knew it at first glance, having driven down that road so many times.
I’ll pass at the moment to give others a chance.
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JohnFilmer - Did you not pull over for a half? ;D
Hopefully it might bring in some new participants to GTP.
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Is the pub a Red Lion?
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Is the pub a Red Lion?
It's not showing as The Red Lion on the current GSV. Might have been a Red Lion once but I can't find anything to support that.
I've not seen another pub with the same name as this one.
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Between the High Weald and the Kent Downs
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London Grocer
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Call me thick (and many people do), but that clue lost me JW, and I know the answer! :-\
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Look up one of the dictionary meanings of the second part of the pub name. (Unless I've got it wrong of course :D )
There is a road to the left of the photo which crosses a tributary of the River Beult after about 1km.
This is a small village with a pub, church, primary school, garage/workshop and a memorial hall. All strung out along one main road.
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If nobody else joins in by this evening, I think you should go for it JohnFilmer ;D
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One last stab at it!
Could this be one of the pubs at Stone-in-Oxney?
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Bell & Jorrocks Frittenden. That grocer clue was a bit obscure!!!!
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Interesting name, which appears to have been altered from The Bell Inn, which is was known as since at least the mid nineteenth century, to The Bell and Jorrocks between 1961 and 1970. The origin for 'Jorrocks' is: a humorous character in books and magazine stories by R. S. Surtees (180-64). Jorrocks is a London grocer (=owner of a food shop) who loves horse racing and hunting foxes'. One of Surtees major publications was Jorrocks, Jaunts and Jollities (1838).
Could the addition of Jorrocks to the pub name be in recognition of the former village stores that occupied an adjacent building, possibly following the store's closure?
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From http://http://www.thebellandjorrocks.co.uk/Kent-Real-Ale/file/PDF/THE_BELL_HISTORY.pdf (http://http://www.thebellandjorrocks.co.uk/Kent-Real-Ale/file/PDF/THE_BELL_HISTORY.pdf) In 1967, Fremlins were taken over by the brewers Whitbread and two years later, in 1969, Dive Bearsby retired as licensee after 65 years and 94 years after his father took over the licence. At this point plans were made to amalgamate the two pubs in the village. The John Jorrocks, formerly The New Inn, was in the tenancy of Phil Oliver. With the amalgamation of the two pubs, the John Jorrocks was closed and The Bell renamed The Bell & Jorrocks with Phil Oliver as the tenant.
The New Inn was renamed "John Jorrocks" in 1948
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Some interesting information from CAT and Pete - thank you. At least you know I wasn't cracking up with the London Grocer clue ;D
Looks like it over to you Pete ...
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Another dead pub
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Was it the 'Little Gem' in Aylesford village?
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It was indeed, over to you
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Thanks Pete, I used to visit here in the 1980s when it was quite a popular venue. I think it was marketed as the smallest public house in Kent. I don't have much to tease you all with but as a change from churches and pubs I thought perhaps a signal box for change.
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Would that be the former signal box from Buckden, which then went to Fleggburgh, Great Yarmouth and now stands over the bridge at Broadwater Lane, Tunbridge Wells on the Spa Valley Line?
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Do you know CAT I believe that it is! Over to you 👍
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Many thanks Stewie. Not that I'm a train buff, but signal boxes are something quite distinctive.
Here's my next, which is well away from my own stomping ground, but a charming rural scene none the less.
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Is anything about the picture recognisable on Street view?
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There is indeed johnfilmer. Though the trees and hedges along both sides of the road have grown since the picture was taken, the weather boarded house on the left is still there as well as the guide post on the left side of the junction. The most important survival is the small pyramidical roofed structure on the right, which still survives unaltered.
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This has the feel of some of the roads heading roughly south out of Ashford?
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Not a million miles away John Walker, but not south of Ashford and a little further away it being surrounded by the 'Dens'.
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Is the pyramid roof building an old lock up?
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Its not a lock up Pete, though it did have a community function when first constructed as a commemorative structure
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Is/was it a well?
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There could be a well beneath, but water is certainly involved with this structure.
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Did the pyramid originally house the village fire pump?
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Not a village fire pump MartinR, but probably more water necessary.
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Drinking fountain?
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Been racking brains over this one. Idden green ,Biddenden . Think it might have been a wash house or covered trough.
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Rack no more grandarog, it is indeed Iden Green. The small building was a drinking fountain, presumably over a well (?) with a hand pump. Installed to commemorate the golden jubilee of queen Victoria.
Over to you grandarog.
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Thanks Cat. Where did I photograph this Classic.
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It’s very quiet, so a simple guess. Headcorn Aerodrome?
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Detling?
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You have it Diapason, Over to you. :)
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That really was a stab in the dark as there wasn`t much to `go on`
I hope this one lasts a bit longer than some of my previous offerings,
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North of the A2 ?
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@Diapason: I assume that was taken from the priest's room in a west end tower? Now probably the ringing chamber?
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North of the A2 ?
Yes, North of the A2!
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@Diapason: I assume that was taken from the priest's room in a west end tower? Now probably the ringing chamber?
No, but a church is not far away.
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So is what looks like a church then deconsecrated?
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So is what looks like a church then deconsecrated?
Sincere apologies, MartinR. I have confused this photo with another that I intended to use but changed my mind. Please disregard my previous post.
You are quite correct, the photo was taken from one of the floors of a tower. It was over five years ago and I cannot remember if it was the from the ringing chamber.
The church has definitely not been deconsecrated.
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Queenborough ?
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Not Queenborough, John.
A few miles inland.
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Swale District ?
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Brookland
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Yes, Swale!
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St Mary's Church, Teynham ?
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Not Teynham!
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Sticking to where you know best Diapason?
Holy Trinity, Milton Regis.
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Yes, I know this church quite well. The day I climbed the tower was when I realised I`d `lost my head for heights`.
Over to you!
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My head for heights is limited to about two rungs up a ladder, and then it's hang on with both hands.
What was this building originally, it was being refurbished at the time of street view's visit. I will get out more in future...
North of M20
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A school?
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Not a school.
Allegedly built about 1900, but already on maps of 1895.
The road (lane actually) is named for the buildings general function.
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Convalescence Home?
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Not quite JW.
The road name should lead you to where it is.
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Workhouse?
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Not a Workhouse, Pete. That was a mile or so away on the main road, not tucked away up a narrow lane.
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Railways nearby
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Hospital?
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It is, JW, and a specific type of one. No longer marked as such on current maps, but consistently on older ones.
Now, where is it? The road name may be your best clue. Mid Kent, (and to recap, North of M20) between two railway lines of very different eras.
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Hospital Road, roughly east of Hollingbourne. Possibly an isolation hospital?
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The OS maps of the period variously describe it as "Infectious Hospital", and later as "Isolation Hospital".
Unused since the fifties, I think, it was part converted to housing, but now is fully converted as Harpswood.
Over to you JW
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Thanks JohnFilmer
It's certainly out of the way so ideal as an isolation/infectious hospital. I enjoyed the search for that one but needed your clues.
Next one.
This might be difficult but one of you might know it. It does appear in one position on Google maps.
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As an aside, would that have been Lenham Sanitorium? Visible from the A20. I remember that that one was for TB patients & the standard "treatment"- before antibiotics- was lots of fresh air; so rooms opened out onto the balconies &, when it wasn't raining, all was open wide, even in Winter!
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Near the coast?
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Near the coast?
Not the coast as such but certainly near a lot of water.
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Amazing John. you seem to have managed to get exactly the same cloud formation as Google did! ;)
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Amazing John. you seem to have managed to get exactly the same cloud formation as Google did! ;)
All my recent entries are from Google. No longer a car owner :( and I've used all my Canterbury images. Trying to find items that have some interest to other members. So, are you going to give us the answer. I'd like to know exactly what the structure was as I've read two different descriptions. :) It seems to be in water at high tides so I guess water levels have risen since it was built.
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In the Swale?
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Amazing John. you seem to have managed to get exactly the same cloud formation as Google did! ;)
All my recent entries are from Google. No longer a car owner :( and I've used all my Canterbury images. Trying to find items that have some interest to other members. So, are you going to give us the answer. I'd like to know exactly what the structure was as I've read two different descriptions. :) It seems to be in water at high tides so I guess water levels have risen since it was built.
Similar here. I moved away over forty years ago. Went back four years ago and managed to get a few snaps, but in the main rely on our friend Google. I imagine most of us do these days, unless someone has a large back catalogue of pics or has the time and the wherewithal to get out and about.
Still drive, but living in Cornwall I don't think I'll be going back to snap any more. Not that I need to when I've got GTP. :)
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In the Swale?
Not The Swale, Pete but you're on the right lines. Move West a tad. Click on street view and find a solitary blue dot which indicates a photo. I reckon the photographer was likely using a canoe.
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Colas batching plant at Sharfleet
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Colas batching plant at Sharfleet
That's the name on the photo Pete so you have the right place. I haven't been able to confirm if that the correct name for the structure or what the structure actually was. I'm hoping a member can throw some light on it. Just stuck on a muddy island in the Medway. There are other structures on the island so I'm guessing there could be some interesting history there.
Over to you Pete.
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Hmm, I'm not sure about "colas batching". AIUI the photo shows the remains of the barracks for torpedo school. There's a description of the place on http://www.rainham-history.co.uk/articleslist/341-infamous-island-of-burntwick (http://www.rainham-history.co.uk/articleslist/341-infamous-island-of-burntwick) which is substantially copied to the Wikipedia entry. The tall structure to the left is the chimney, it's probably a bit clearer on the full-colour Google view: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4225473,0.6816869,3a,75y,94.12h,93.51t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNhTvRbl09oxyX7LjwHPywRhiNmzvnotXoOwzev!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNhTvRbl09oxyX7LjwHPywRhiNmzvnotXoOwzev%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya190.61377-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4225473,0.6816869,3a,75y,94.12h,93.51t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNhTvRbl09oxyX7LjwHPywRhiNmzvnotXoOwzev!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNhTvRbl09oxyX7LjwHPywRhiNmzvnotXoOwzev%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya190.61377-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!5m1!1e1)
FYI, the chimney is at 51.42259N 0.68191E. There's also another structure at 51.42093N 0.68738E just alongside Stangate Creek.
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A video of a canoe trip to Deadmans and Burntwick Islands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsXJFQOjSSU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsXJFQOjSSU)
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I was a bit concerned that "Colas Batching Plant" wasn't right, apparently they started in 1922 and were taken over by Shell in 1929. Now back to GTP- where can you find this?
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Thanks for the video John. One small point to make: they mention that landing is not permitted on Chetney Marshes, but it is also worth noting that landing is forbidden on Deadman's Island.
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So far the only place for a military vehicle collection I can find in Kent is at Hever Castle.
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That's one of the WW1 Tanks at a Farm at Yalding. Not sure if open to the public its a restoration group that are based there.
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Youu've got it Grandarog. It is the Weald Foundation, Rugmer Hill farm Yalding
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Thanks Pete.
This one from Street view shouldn't last long.
Where is it?
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Need to narrow it down, so here goes :) . Maidstone area?
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It’s Radfield House, London Road, Teynham.
Grade 2 listed, would be wonderful to see it sympathetically refurbished.
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Thats it ,You have it been like that for donkeys years.
On the A2 just as you leave Teynham towards sittingbourne. Old Farm House.
It is listed so I think the idea is to wait until it becomes dangerous and beyond repair then knock it down and build a housing estate on the farmyard.
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This was the local forge, attached to Forge House. It later became a motor car and agricultural repair garage, still selling fuel about 35years ago. The site has diversified into a minor industrial estate, mainly motor orientated. The last owner did not live in Forge House, but in the house out of shot to the right, but kept his splendid Lanchester in the old forge.
Central Kent
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Coxheath area?
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A bit further east than Coxheath.
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Sutton Vallence ?
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Come down off the Greensand Ridge a little further along.
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Very quiet today.
Simple Simon's acquaintance may have come from here - a bit of "poetic" licence...
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Great Clue ................Marks Motors Eastwood road Pye Corner.
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Pye Corner it certainly is, home to an interesting array of motoring and associate specialists over the years.
The lane to the right seemed to have no name. Mr Noakes, who owned the site, the pre war Lanchester and 50s Singer Roadster, just called it The Lane when I asked him. Mind you I was walking two of our German Shepherds at the time, and 8stone of Harry leaning against him may have been a bit of a distraction :D
Over to you Grandarog
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That was a good one - I was miles away. Great range of classic cars for sale - if only ....
I wonder what Grandarog has in store for us next? :D
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Twas the Pie clue that did it :)
Next one ,nearer my neck of the woods.
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Village Hall?
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Forge?
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I used to frequent the pub opposite circa 1968. I’ll wait a bit...
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MaynnR----Was once.
JohnWalker -----No.
johnfilmer------ me too more recently.
If you haven't realised Swale Area.
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If you haven't realised Sawle Area.
Or even Swale area ? Is it the old Milton Fire Station?
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Sorry not Milton or Fire Station. Have corrected Typo :)
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Faversham, or nearby?
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shoot999 Further West ,Rural.
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North of the A2 ?
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South of A2. North of M2
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Borden - Opposite The Maypole PH. ?
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You have it JohnWalker.
Was the working village forge in my youth . Now is a hall available for hire run by a village community group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/476960926184167 (https://www.facebook.com/groups/476960926184167)
Your turn. :)
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The forge was still working at the end of the sixties. The blacksmith was often still at work when we were in the Maypole and he would come over for a couple afterwards. I can’t remember his name, but quite a young man.
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Seems to be very few forges/blacksmiths in Kent now. I learned a lot of blacksmith work at school - really enjoyed it.
Next one ...
East Kent - This view can be seen on GSV but could be a stinker to find - clues will follow if nobody gets it straight away.
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On a GSV route but it's not a road at this point.
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Detling airfield? Over on the far side from A249
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More East Kent. It's on the same long route as one of my fairly recent GTPs but in a different area.
Eggs
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Churchman's farm nr Ospringe?
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Is the long route the Pilgrims Way?
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Not Ospringe Pete - come back east.
Not Pilgrim's Way JohnFilmer - try another 'Way'.
Eggs
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The oast in the background was a bakery at one time. Now residential. (That should help)
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Close to two rail lines, a river and a busy A road. Paper mill about 1.5km away
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The route shows up as a blue line in GSV when you click on the little man. It's a footpath - not a road at this point. The big barn shows up well in the aerial view.
I'm away until Weds so not ignoring any guesses.
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Outskirts of a small hamlet west of Canterbury. On the North Downs Way.
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To save the thread stalling - the place name is 'double barrelled' - C H.
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I guess the double barrelled C. H. is for Chartham Hatch?
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AAARRGH you've beaten me!! Hatch Fm Chartham Hatch
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Not at all Pete. I got the village and was just about to post the oast is now residential, it being divided into four properties (called Cobbs, Harveys, Flints and Neames) collectively called Hoppers Oast. However, you have the farm name that possesses the tin-clad barn in John Walker's pic, so I think its over to you Pete once John Walker has clarified.
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We did metalwork & woodwork at school pre 1940 -
at 11 years old - those wood joints - tenon & dovetail - came in handy later in life.
Metalwork - you had all sorts of work - cutting - bending - riveting - useful for joining - iron stand.
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You are the closest Pete. Hoppers Bakery was well known in my childhood. I felt certain this one was going to need a few clues.
Over to you...
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Try this one, holy orders or last orders ?
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St Edith's Hall, Kemsing?
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It is, & I thought it would last!
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As is always the case, if you know it, it's easy.
Many thanks Pete.
Here is my next, which pleased the wife, as it's somewhere she had never been before, but where?
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By coincidence, I think that's where my wife wants to visit later this month - Hole Park?
It will be interesting to hear what you thought of your visit CAT. I'm surprised they let you park your car right outside ;D
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You have it John Walker, it is indeed Hole Park near Rolvenden.
Though the house was largely rebuilt/remodelled in the 1950's (and not open to the public as its still a family home) I thought the gardens and grounds were fantastic. Not large, but very well organised with many different garden areas and a pleasant woodland walk. I think you will both enjoy it.
Had to take the old Rolls estate as the Sunday trip Lamborgini was still being polished by the chauffer :) .
Over to you John Walker
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Thanks for the info CAT. I look forward to our visit.
Next one ... Possibly another stinker but taken from GSV
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Coastal?
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Coastal?
Very much inland Shoot999.
On a Kent 'Way'
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Quarry or military?
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Quarry or military?
Neither Pete. Access for agricultural vehicles now mainly. It's on a well-known walking route through Kent. Those are pallets piled up at the other end. On a very large farm.
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If you go through this tunnel at certain times you would likely hear a deep rumble.
East Kent again.
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any where near the M20
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North Downs Way Bluebell Hill
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Not near the M20 Pete but you are correct with the North Downs Way. Not too far away from my last GTP. That should help. :)
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Nickle Farm Shalmsford St/Chartham Hatch
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You have it Pete. I felt it needed plenty of clues as a bit out of the way. Passes under the Canterbury East Station line on its way to London. As you emerge from the underpass there's an enormous collection of large caravans for foreign fruit pickers. One of the Mansfield Farm apple orchard areas. Acres and acres of apple trees on both sides of the railway line.
Over to you Pete.
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Another wet one now gone,
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Looks like one of the seaside coach stops? On the A20?
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of that era but not a coach stop
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West Kent ?
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West and north ;)
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It was the General Gordon, Cedar Ave, Gravesend.
It looked familiar, but now I know where it was, I don’t think that I ever went near it.
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It is The General Gordon, Whitbreads took it on as part of a swop with Charringtons about 1979. A pretty rough place but the very large public bar had a decorative frieze painted on the walls showing Egyptian and Sudan scenes The under bar was unusual in that it was all metal and I think pewter but possibly aluminium seemingly fabricated in one piece including sinks and drainers. Over to you John
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I'll stay with the dead pubs theme once more - such a rich seam.
This one has a forge next door. I think the porch is recent. Mid Kent.
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Near the River Medway ?
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Afraid not JW. A bit more East.
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Hollingborne?
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Much closer Lutonman, but more rural.
There was a military encampment locally for a few months when France (who else!) were sabre rattling in support of the American Colonies.
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Linton/Hunton area?
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Struggling :-\ . North of the M20?
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Go further east Pete.
It is north of M20, but not by much.
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The name of the pub and the lane to the side are the same. But which came first, unknown.
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Close to HS1.
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Still very quiet, at place where M20, HS1 and the road in front of our building are fairly parallel.
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Further east than Charing?
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At last! :D The junction of Bull Hill and Lenham Heath Road. Presume the pub might have been The Bull Inn ?
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It was indeed The Bull, JW.
I believe that this was the pub that a drinking acquaintance, John Pendry, 1928-2004, used to keep back in the late 50s.
Over to you John.
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Thanks John, That was more difficult to find than I expected. Your clues made a big difference.
Next one ...
Where?
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Have had PC problems for a week and unable to participate so I`ll have a quick stab at this one.
St. Catherine`s church Kingsdown (although the position of the trees doesn`t appear to be quite right).
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St. Catherine`s church Kingsdown (although the position of the trees doesn`t appear to be quite right).
Not there Diapason - move east ...
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Should be an easy one ;)
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St Mary`s, Langley?
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St Mary`s, Langley?
Much further east...
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Near the coast? (Going by your much further east ;D )
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Near the coast? (Going by your much further east ;D )
Inland from three coastlines
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Thanet having three coastlines?
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Thanet having three coastlines?
Head back West a few miles
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5 miles from one of the coastlines. 15 miles from the other two. Approx.
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Not too far from a university
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Approx 1/2 km from a railway station and a river.
The spire and the tree can both be seen on GSV but from a different angle.
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Canterbury area?
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Canterbury area?
Correct, Shoot999. Should be easy now :)
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Close to the now bypassed old main route from Dover to London.
Find a water tower and head SSE
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Some of my ancestors are buried here.
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Two Chapels side by side with a central tower and spire.
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St Thomas Catholic Church C'bury?
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The Spire in Canterbury City Cemetery.
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You have it Grandarog :) . I took the photo when I was there a few days ago. Probably the only peaceful place left in Canterbury.
Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker.
The ancestors buried there twigged it for me. Will sort out and post Photo tonight.
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Here we go with the next one ,shop for a change.
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The butchers shop, high street, Farningham, looks like it.
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Well done.........Didn,t think it would last long. High Street ,used to be E Bainbridge ,now called Farningham Butchers same phone number.
Yours next John Filmer.
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Only last Friday I was using GSV to roam around Farningham looking for the pub where my wife and her oldest friend went to a folk club in the early/mid 70s. They couldn’t be sure, but I remembered the shop from my views of the Chequers opposite. So all down to luck and what’s left of the short term memory :D
Back soon, presently sitting in garden using iPad, with which I have no idea how to post photos, so I’ll be off to the laptop, I pretend to know how to use Windows.
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Trying to be different, where is this? It looks like something from an "aliens have landed" film.
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Water tower at Beltinge, Herne Bay?
Alec.
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A water tower certainly, but many miles west of Beltinge.
It is visible from a few angles on GSV, not just the one that I chose.
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That looks like Vigo to me
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That’s the place Pete. We did a job in a house almost next to the tower. I expected guys dressed in black suits and shades to keep flashing a bright light in my eyes 8)
Over to you...
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51.3314552 N 0.3620787 E = TQ6465361799
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yet another pub, still trading I believe
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Near water?
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3 miles maybe
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Mid-Kent ?
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south of the M2, North of the M20
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Is that a rail bridge top left ?
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no, road
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I’ve hung on a while in case someone else had a go, but Ding Dong, it’s The Lower Bell, Bluebell Hill.
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More on it at https://web.archive.org/web/20180215024132/http://bluebellhilltrust.org/history/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20180215024132/http://bluebellhilltrust.org/history/) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Bell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Bell)
In case that's tl;dr, the old tunpike road up Bluebell Hill was too narrow for two coaches to pass and so the two pubs the Upper Bell (now demolished) and Lower Bell controlled the traffic by ringing a bell. The lower Bell has been around since at least 1790, but the current buildings only date from 1865.
51°19'05" N 00°30'28" E
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Well done -over to you
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Back to a church - I do like to ring the changes... ::)
Near (but not next to) an A road, a railway, a river and close to an ancient structure.
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Great clues JohnFilmer. Church of St Peter and St Paul, Teston. I'm guessing the ancient structure is the nearby bridge over the Medway?
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Maybe should have held back on the info?
Back to you JW
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Always difficult to know how many clues to leave. Too few and the thread stalls. When I see 'an A road, a railway, a river', I usually head for the Wateringbury area or Cuxton.
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There is a clue...
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There is a clue...
Near an A road, a railway, a river?
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There is a clue...
Near an A road, a railway, a river?
That wasn't the clue. the clue is in the photo. However. A small tributary of a named river and a railway line are about 1km away. On a 'B' road.
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Are you at a Vineyard ?
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Are you at a Vineyard ?
Yes 🙂
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is it the Elham Valley Vineyard?
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is it the Elham Valley Vineyard?
Not that one Grandarog. Active railway line about 1km away and a town about 2km away. Ships used to be built near here.
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Chapel Down Vineyard Small Hythe Road Tenterden? Shipbuilding clue Smallhythe?
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Chapel Down Vineyard Small Hythe Road Tenterden? Shipbuilding clue Smallhythe?
Spot on Shoot999. Hard to imagine shipbuilding went on there when you drive through the silted up area now. Chapel Down Vineyard is just up the road from here.
Over to you ...
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/smallhythe-place/features/shipbuilding-at-smallhythe-place (https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/smallhythe-place/features/shipbuilding-at-smallhythe-place)
https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/2003%20123%20An%20Archaeological%20Evaluation%20of%20the%20Medieval%20Shipyard%20Facilities%20at%20Small%20Hythe%20Bellamy.pdf (https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/2003%20123%20An%20Archaeological%20Evaluation%20of%20the%20Medieval%20Shipyard%20Facilities%20at%20Small%20Hythe%20Bellamy.pdf)
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Thank you John
One from the past.
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Quick guess as the layout looks similar - Dale Street Chatham
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Quick guess as the layout looks similar - Dale Street Chatham
Right part of Kent
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Does the pub on the right still exist?
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Does the pub on the right still exist?
No it doesn't John. And as we have recently been informed, the next one built in that location doesn't exist either. :)
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Looks like it,s time to fire up the time machine for this one.
Are we definitely in one of the Medway Urban areas, Gillingham ,Chatham, Rochester, Strood ??
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. Hard to imagine shipbuilding went on there when you drive through the silted up area now. Chapel Down Vineyard is just up the road from here.
Over to you ...
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/smallhythe-place/features/shipbuilding-at-smallhythe-place (https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/smallhythe-place/features/shipbuilding-at-smallhythe-place)
https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/2003%20123%20An%20Archaeological%20Evaluation%20of%20the%20Medieval%20Shipyard%20Facilities%20at%20Small%20Hythe%20Bellamy.pdf (https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/2003%20123%20An%20Archaeological%20Evaluation%20of%20the%20Medieval%20Shipyard%20Facilities%20at%20Small%20Hythe%20Bellamy.pdf)
Ship building there featured on Time Team some years back probably still available on line
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Looks like it,s time to fire up the time machine for this one.
Are we definitely in one of the Medway Urban areas, Gillingham ,Chatham, Rochester, Strood ??
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Yes Medway Towns. Nothing in the pic remains, but that particular spot has been mentioned elsewhere recently, and not to far from here
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Got it, Modern Internet very good for old picture problem solving.
Queen Street , Rochester . Old Pub "Lifeboat" on right.
http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Life-Boat-Rochester.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Life-Boat-Rochester.html)
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Thats it Grandarog.
This pic was a GTP on the other site some years ago. Its just round the corner from where I lived.
I recently noticed on our KHF pub thread that the pub that replaced it; The Good Intent, has just been demolished to make way for houses. The pic on The Good Intent thread is roughly where this was taken from; albeit some years apart.
On your map link its identified as the Lifeboat with the Good Intent further down Queen St. In fact The Good Intent was on the Lifeboats site, and the pub further down is The Morden Arms. My dad was resident musician in the Morden Arms so I knew it well.
So over to you, :)
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Thanks , shoot999, very interesting.
Well on the theme here,s another one where my Time Machine Landed.
Clue to start you off Swale area.
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A quick punt - Faversham?
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Sheerness High Street ?
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Faversham it is ,Where and What ?
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Bottom end of Preston Street ?
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Getting close JW
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I think I have it. The far end of West Street, Faversham. First glance looks like many of those building still exisit.
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Whats the 3 storey building on the left to solve it JW.
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I think it might have been a pub. Searching for the name when I get home later.
Update - Mechanics Arms ?
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Well Done John Walker. Knew you would get it The Mechanics arms (now flats).
http://www.dover-kent.com/Pubs/Mechanics-Arms-Faversham.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/Pubs/Mechanics-Arms-Faversham.html)
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Thanks Grandarog.
Next one ... Should be easy ...
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Too easy as you say.I will pass on this one ,maybe attract some knew contestants :-X
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I`m very uncertain, but it could be St. Peter`s church, Hever.
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That's the place Diapason. I'll be close to there next week when I visit Hever Castle.
Over to you ...
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Sorry for the delay - running out of suitable photos.
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Another easy one for me . Pass...
Lets see some new blood having a guess.
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Hasn't that been on here before?
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Possibly, hopefully we might get some new members joining in.
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Military boundary stone?
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I believe this was the entrance to a lost chapel. No idea where though
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Spot on, John ! But what chapel and where?
Swale area.
Local knowledge is needed for this one as a parked car is blocking the view on my version of GSV.
I`m fairly certain that this is one for granderog.
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Just remembered where it was, Key Street
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The car doesn't block the view, but it has changed a little since the photo. See
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3460431,0.7003088,3a,15y,194.03h,72.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spiiftnBgypm_J81Rz1UN1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3460431,0.7003088,3a,15y,194.03h,72.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spiiftnBgypm_J81Rz1UN1Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
From which you can deduce that it is at 51.3460431°N 0.7003088°E
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Just remembered where it was, Key Street
Well done, Pete! I thought that one would last much longer than that.
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As ever -a pub
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Ah, a lovely pub, and not that far from me. At Stowting the Tiger Inn.
DTT
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That was quick 3 minutes :'( , thought I was on to a winner there, not exactly on the main drag. All yours
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Thanks Pete.
It is my area these days, I use the pubs in a line from Chilham, down through Hastingleigh and Bodsham so know the pubs in this area. :)
Now, where was I when I took this. It is on a main road, very noisy. The bridge is part of the highway. It has a pedestrian girder bridge beside it. We walked from a village hall to a quaint village with historic literary connections. You can just see a bit of the girder bridge.
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Railway bridge?
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No, road bridge. The railway line is 600feet from this location, but was aligned on the other side of the River that meanders through these parts.
DTT
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Road bridge over the River Stour at Godmersham?
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Well done, CAT. It is just there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.2153269,0.9518605,3a,75y,3.06h,75.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIqjdrchuxbOp2rG1JKU7Vw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e2
Built in 1813. I took this on a nice walk up to Godmersham.
Over to you.
DTT
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Interesting to see the date MDCCCXLII for a road bridge. Do you know if it was originally a turnpike? The Wiki entry for the A28 doesn't give any history. Oh, and BTW 51.2154518°N 0.9520788°E if anyone is interested.
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Many thanks DaveTheTrain, it's a route I've walked numerous times myself and always think its a good job for the adjacent footbridge as its a fast section of road.
It was indeed a turnpike road MartinR, having been formed in 1762 to 1871 as a route between Canterbury and Ashford (modern A28).
Here is my next, but where are the lambs going to be fed?
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Well the cheeky answer is "at the Communion Table", but I suspect that's not what you are after! ;)
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That's over an old School Doorway in Deal.
On the right of Picture.
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Slightly religious, but not that religious MartinR. You clearly have the correct town grandarog, but can you be more precise on the location?
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I have no idea Cat .Presume is in old part of Deal. The painting came up when I was searching the inscription.
If someone can come up with the actual location give it to them. Please. :) ;D
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I guess the race is ‘still a foot’ unless a more precise location can be proposed. However, you may need a drink after!
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Brewer St , old Sunday school
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Middle Street?
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Now here is a dilemma! The building, which is The National School site on a corner formed by the junction of Middle Street and Brewer Street. However, as the entrance is technically in Brewer Street I think it only fair that it goes to Pete. Sorry Diapason.
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@CAT: this source seems to imply it was a Sunday School:
https://davidskardon.wixsite.com/skardons-world/more-old-pictures
However this source:
http://home.freeuk.com/eastkent/deal/middle_st/middle_street_1.htm
disagrees and says it was originally a National School (Infants).
It's visible on GSV at:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2260982,1.4033872,3a,75y,91.29h,87.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBASrcUb537HkwbIoeUE5uA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
hence located at: 51.2260982°N 1.4033872°E
Although the door in is Brewer Street, from the numbering it is in Middle Street. I discovered (from council website) that Brewer Street is named after the town's first recorder and not, as one might suppose, from an ale-maker.
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i found it from the David Skardon notes. No ambiguity on this one , no longer a pub or hotel
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But was once?
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Most certainly, not sure when it closed but I used to call there in the 1970s-80s
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Maidstone area?
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Less than 10 miles by crow
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Queens Head Hotel, Snodland ?
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Wow, thought that was a safe one on a road to nowhere. Now a care home called Birling House. All yours
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I struck lucky with that one Pete. Your clue of less than 10miles and the look of the scene made me think of Snodland. A search of the streets found it.
Next one ...
Somewhere else for me to visit sometime.
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Close to a garden to visit and a village now bypassed by an important A Road. About 2km from a significant WW2 structure.
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A2 or A20?
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A2 or A20?
A2 Shoot999
Not far from where a motorway meets the A road
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The nearby gardens have a long Japanese-style garden with a stream flowing down to a lake.
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Three Horseshoes, Staple Street, Hernehill. Near Mount Ephraim Gardens
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Beaten by minutes again!
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Well done Shoot999 and commiserations Pete :)
I plan to call in after my next Mount Ephraim visit.
Over to you ...
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Thanks John. Some good clues there. :)
Think this one should go quick!
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Was the "significant WW2 structure", Biggin Hill RAF Airfield please? - what is left of it now?
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Medway Towns ??
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Was the "significant WW2 structure", Biggin Hill RAF Airfield please? - what is left of it now?
Miles from there Dave, try Dunkirk CH station
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Foresters Arms, Rochester?
I think that I`ve seen this one before which has some connection with "peterchall", a highly respected member of the `old` Forum.
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I've seen it before too
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I think Peter Challis may have spent his early years in this pub.
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Absolutely right Diapason. It was on a previous GTP. Although 20 years apart Peter Challis and I had a few shared connections in that area. My great-grandfathers garden backed on to the Challis family home, my Dad frequented The Forrester's when Peters parents had it, ( I believe his parents are in this pic somewhere) and in the seventies I was in there a lot as it was by then a motorbike shop. Peter filled in a number of gaps I had with the history of Troy Town for me. An absolute gentleman.
Over to you.
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Diapason beat me this time . I was nearly there. :)
http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Foresters-Arms-Rochester.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Foresters-Arms-Rochester.html)
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Was the "significant WW2 structure", Biggin Hill RAF Airfield please? - what is left of it now?
Sorry for the late reply but trying to get it in before the next round starts. As Pete has confirmed, I was meaning the Dunkirk CH station at the top of Boughton Hill. There is just one tower left now. My uncle by marriage was stationed there during WW2. He met my Aunt at the Dunkirk Cafe which was next to the CH Station.
The Chain Home Radar Installations
A CH station consisted of four 360 foot tall steel towers separated by 180 feet. Strung between the towers were vertical feed cables. Between these vertical cables were eight half-wave dipoles spaced ½ a wavelength apart. Chain Home would send out a burst of radio energy toward a target and then calculated the time it took for that signal to return. Instead of steering a radio beam like a narrow flashlight and detecting when a target lights up, like today’s radar systems do, the Chain Home antennas were stationary and illuminated large areas like a spotlight. Direction to the target was determined by adjusting a knob that would minimize the blip and a scale to determine the angle. Based on the strength of the return, the size of the attacking force could then be assessed.
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Absolutely right Diapason.
Over to you.
Where would you find this Hagioscope - Double Squint?
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lets see if we can't get this one moving.
West Kent church (west of Ashford?)
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I had to look the big word up :) .Didn't help .
Any clues like area etc please?
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I had to look the big word up :) .Didn't help .
Any clues like area etc please?
There`s a notice explaining this feature close to it. In the past I`ve refrained from using this photo as I thought it difficult,except for yourself and John Filmer.
Swale area
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The light switches tell me that it’s not Wychling.
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Must be at least 17 churchs in Swale !
1st Pure Guess ,Bapchild church.
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You`re not too far away, granderog
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Would you need to cross water to get there from Bapchild?
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2nd Guess ,lets try Rodmersham.
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Just a bit further and you`ve got it
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Would you need to cross water to get there from Bapchild?
Only if the M2 is flooded!
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Could it be the unenviable titled church of The Beheading of John the Baptist at Doddington?
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Spot-on, CAT
Over to you.
Here`s another view . . . . .
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Ah, so not Eastchurch then.
It would have helped if I'd read the description of the right Doddington. The one in Cambridgeshire has no squints mentioned! The Historic England listing is at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1087004 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1087004) and the location is at TQ 94002 57582
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As I can see Doddington church from my back garden, I thought it best to keep quiet on this one once I realised the answer just after my post about Wychling, which is probably closer.
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I guessed you were `holding back` on this one, John as I know you are very familiar with the Doddington area and the double squint appears to be a rarity in Kent churches.
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Many thanks Diapason
Double ones are indeed a rarity, and not just Kent, but nationwide. I was also holding back, but eventually pounced.
Here is my next, which is again an antiquarian church view of the late 1780s, but where would this be?
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Is it still standing?
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Most definitely johnfilmer, and when I was last there (only a couple of years ago) it was still a functioning church.
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Romney marshes?
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Not Romney Marsh Pete. Opposite (up) end of the county. Not to far from a major Kent road (but then what isn't?).
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Though this church stands fairly isolated away from its 'modern' village, there is strong evidence it was once the centre of its lost village, whilst the parish name would suggest it was in the Weald.
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Is it St Peter’s, Bredhurst?
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St Michaels East Peckham?
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Sadly it's not East Peckham Lutonman, but the view is indeed the east end of St Peter's Church, Bredhurst, so johnfimer has it correct. The church possesses a west tower, nave, chancel and a south chapel giving the double gables east end. Despite the ivy covering the chancel (right side of the picture), when this painting was done it was the chapel (left side) that was described as being ruined. This was remedied during the 1860's when the entire church was restored.
Regards its location, despite it feeling its in the countryside, its location is no more than 1/2 km from the M2. The present village of Bredhurst is located more towards the northwest, whilst archaeological evidence has shown that the original medieval village was located both in the open fields and the small parcel of woodland surrounding the church. As for the name Bredhurst, generally the term 'hurst' represents a clearing/settlement amongst the trees/forest, which is why large numbers of 'hurst' village names (Goudhurst, Staplehurst, Wadhurst, Ticehurst etc.) are to be seen across the Kent and Sussex weald. This was due to this area formerly being covered by the Great Wealden forest of Andred, giving us the name of 'Andredes weald' in the middle ages and 'Andredesleage' in the Anglo Saxon period. The 'leage' portion of the work being Old English for woodland and represented in modern times by the word 'Liegh'
So following my ramble, its over to you johnfilmer
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Just to add to Cat's excellent piece:
OS X (Eastings) 579900
OS Y (Northings) 162114
Nearest Post Code ME7 3LA
Lat (WGS84) N51:19:47 (51.32966523852896)
Long (WGS84) E0:34:51 (0.5808552918629801)
Lat,Long 51.32966523852896,0.5808552918629801
Nat Grid TQ799621 / TQ7990062114
Oh, and in passing, the rather nice double bell-cote was a 19thC addition.
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Apologies for the delay, had visitors most of the day - rather a lot of catching up to be done.
This next one has a few visual clues left in the frame. Lovely old house, the two boiler flues poking through the gable end were my idea to solve some "interesting" problems. But that was 20 odd years ago so the house details are lost to my memory.
The road behind the camera angle no longer runs to the major road to stop this becoming a deadly rat run.
Good pub (well it was...) nearby.
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The “nearby” railway station used to incorporate this village’s name.
The parish church is a little way down the road to the side of the property.
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Just to clarify my last post, the railway station is still very much in use, but just does not use this village name any more. At least that’s what Wiki says...
There is a ruin nearby some of which seems to have been used to build an impressive house, now b&b. (The house, not the ruin :) )
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Sevenoaks area?
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More east, the other side of the Medway.
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My first thought was Hollingbourne but I can't see the link with a station. Am I in the right area now? :)
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Beltring (and Branbridge ) Station?
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Not there Pete, go much further north east.
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Selling area?
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You’ve overshot JW. Nearer to the Medway Gap.
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Bearsted area ?
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Now you are much closer JW
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Thornham Friars, Thurnham. Finally found a station that originally had two names on the board .
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Thanks John for that, it reminded me that I'd never visited Thurnham Castle. So I spent part of this afternoon exploring it with my son. Two things about the castle: (1) the views are magnificent, and (2) it is not suitable for those of us with mobility issues. I had to leave the scooter in the gatehouse and proceed on foot, and am now suffering!
There's a link to the parish website here: http://www.thurnham.org.uk/community/thurnham-parish-council-18453/home/
Google view is here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2913645,0.5897618,3a,75y,169.54h,84.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1seskXQs5crvBY5egDJxO1jg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DeskXQs5crvBY5egDJxO1jg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.239265%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
Full location information:
OS X (Eastings) 580656
OS Y (Northings) 157891
Nearest Post Code ME14 3LE
Lat (WGS84) N51:17:29 (51.29149243477302)
Long (WGS84) E0:35:22 (0.5895575412050896)
Lat,Long 51.29149243477302,0.5895575412050896
Nat Grid TQ806578 / TQ8065657891
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You have it JW. An interesting place, apparently the old house was transported from Sussex and added to existing buildings, including a forge, some time before 1910. There was a bit more at the front but that was knocked down to provide the present hard standing.
If you view any of the estate agents details that appear online you will see that it is a substantial property with extensive gardens with good views. Obviously the further up the hill towards the ruined castle, the better the view.
The Edwardian pile, Thurnham Keep, allegedly built from spoil taken from the castle ruin is just over the road. I did do a preliminary survey in there, but it was too extensive for us, a commercial install rather than just a large domestic.
Carry on JW :)
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Thanks John
An interesting building and grounds. I've viewed it on estate agent's sites - as you say - very impressive.
Next one. Where would you find this memorial? Shouldn't be too difficult.
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Slightly west of mid Kent
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:) Know it .Will wait a while give others a chance ,perhaps some new guessers will try.
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Next to an old hotel with great views.
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I’m not ignoring this as I too know it and like Grandarog rather hope that some new blood is out there.
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Grandarog and JohnFilmer, I was hoping it might attract some new members of the GTP thread. I have noticed that GTP photos get more views than participants so it looks like other forum members are looking in. Come on in and join us - we're not an elite bunch. I'll keep adding clues that might help.
If we have no new 'guessers' by tomorrow evening then whoever is online first - go for it to keep the thread moving ;D
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The church is at the top of a steep hill.
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Colepeper?
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I thought that this was in Hollingbourne church but that would be at the foot of a steep hill not the top
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Well it looks like three of our regulars know it. :D
No guesses from new members so whoever dives in first with the name of the location takes over for the next round.
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I have no idea
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It is a Culpepper memorial in Goudhurst church.
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You have it JohnFilmer. Well done. Over to you.
https://www.britainexpress.com/attractions.htm?attraction=3321 (https://www.britainexpress.com/attractions.htm?attraction=3321)
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Thanks JW. That was one of those that I knew, but have never visited - very strange.
This next one has undergone a serious change of use many years ago, but is still recognisable.
It may be instantly spotted by one of the many who are quite local.
North Kent
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Gravesend?
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Had a Meal there before Covid struck . Will pass for now give others a Chance.
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Had a Meal there before Covid struck . Will pass for now give others a Chance.
I'll pass as well. Frequented a rockers cafe around the corner from there during the 60s.
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Try Medway JW. As you will have gathered from Grandarog, it’s now an eatery.
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Rainham Manor Farm Beefeater (or was)
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It is now, or was recently but in the picture was the Gas Showroom, junction of Maidstone Road and Watling Street, Rainham.
I have distinct memories of sitting on the wall waiting for the Pilchers coach to pick up our family for a trip to London on more than one occasion. That was mid fifties, we lived just up Maidstone Road, but left in April 1958.
Over to you Pete.
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Thought I recognised it straight away, think I froze my bits off installing the beer & soft drinks while is being converted
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Crematorium?
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;D ;D Pub !!
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The 'Hungry Fox' near the Savacentre ay Hempstead Valley. Formerly the 'Snooty Fox'.
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Spot on Stewie I did the beer & soft drinks instal. Early December, & freezing cold It was briefly the Snooty Fox but there was a pub in London of that name owned by someone with powerful friends (or husband), Legal action was threatened and the name was changed. The area manager forgot to apply for a licence and the pub was opened on occasional licences from , I think, the Poachers Pocket to enable it to trade up to and over Xmas. The same area manager had had the idea of creating a bar for children and this was at the end of the main bar fronting into the kid's play area. We set it up with draught soft drinks, just finished when the Licencing committee arrived for an inspection and pointed out that it was illegal for alcoholic drinks to be served in the sight of children. Soft drinks hastily removed and a partition was put up. The name apparently was for a fox that used to sit on the roadside nearby watching the traffic and locally called the Snooty Fox . Which all goes to prove even brewers can't organise one in a brewery
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Thanks Pete.
One of my occasional forays into the GTP pages, I was going to post something easy but found this one on my laptop to tempt you with. Taken by my son and Visible on GSV.
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Chatham Hill, Chatham?
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Yes it is indeed John Walker, the entrances to a short tunnel in Chatham Hill.
From various threads and blogs that I have read it is reputedly one of the entrances to the legendary Medway tunnel network that links everywhere to everywhere else!
Looks to be some sort of council store and my son noticed the doors open when he was coming home from work earlier in the year.
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Is this the place? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3787387,0.5350526,3a,75y,49.42h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH_UwxaZYZC6QJVbpewX1Pw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3787387,0.5350526,3a,75y,49.42h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH_UwxaZYZC6QJVbpewX1Pw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
If so at 51.3787387N, (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3787387,0.5350526,3a,75y,49.42h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH_UwxaZYZC6QJVbpewX1Pw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)0.5350526E, just past the railway bridge. (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3787387,0.5350526,3a,75y,49.42h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH_UwxaZYZC6QJVbpewX1Pw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)PS the link is the google one. The lat/log has just copied the formatting over and is not a link.
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I cant open your link on my hone MartnR but it sounds like the right one just up from the Luton Arches
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I recall this being talked about elsewhere. It was a store/cellar for one of the terrace houses that were there, one of several I believe
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Yes it is indeed John Walker, the entrances to a short tunnel in Chatham Hill.
From various threads and blogs that I have read it is reputedly one of the entrances to the legendary Medway tunnel network that links everywhere to everywhere else!
Looks to be some sort of council store and my son noticed the doors open when he was coming home from work earlier in the year.
Thanks Stewie, I was lucky there but for some reason, it woke up a memory from some time back but I wasn't certain.
Next one up soon ...
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Next one ...
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First guess - Close to Charing Church.
More likely to be within or close to the Precincts of Canterbury Cathedral.
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First guess - Close to Charing Church.
More likely to be within or close to the Precincts of Canterbury Cathedral.
Neither of those Diapason. I'll hold back on clues other than to say it's not West Kent but the building can be seen on GSV (Not this view).
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Church with spire almost opposite.
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Station 400 mtrs away.
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South of M20?
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South of M20?
NNE of the M20 and the A2
Still in use as far as I'm aware.
I used to renovate/paint old ploughs and mangles in the grounds before the re-location of the artefacts.
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An estuary used to come very close to this place. (That should help :) )
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Sandwich area?
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Sandwich area?
Getting warm :)
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A Roman Villa was found in the field next to this GTP although it never seemed to make any headlines as I recall.
This GTP is built on fairly low laying ground with a hill rising behind it.
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Davington priory at Faversham?
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Davington priory at Faversham?
Not there Beachbum - StuartWaters was much nearer with Sandwich area.
According to a village history site, The Danes killed over 70 villagers and Nuns in this area.
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Minster Abbey John Walker?
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Strand Street, Sandwich?
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Minster Abbey John Walker?
You have it Beachbum - over to you...
A lot of history is attached to this abbey.
The first Monastery at Minster Abbey was founded in 670, and the present buildings date back to 1027. Part of the Abbey was destroyed during the Reformation but some fine buildings remain, and this is still home to a community of Nuns.
It is possibly the oldest inhabited house in England, and the only pre-Reformation Monastery to be currently used as a Religious House in England. The present community returned from Germany in 1937.
https://www.britainexpress.com/counties/kent/abbeys/minster-abbey.htm (https://www.britainexpress.com/counties/kent/abbeys/minster-abbey.htm)
Around the 1980s there was a rural life museum in the abbey grounds. I used to tidy up and paint old ploughs and mangles for part of the display. It was a nice working atmosphere with all the other volunteers. Sometime in the 2000s, the abbey wanted the land back and the museum was dissolved.
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Just sticking my oar in. :)
In case other Members are not aware. John Walkers Subject was Minster Abbey ,Thanet as opposed to Minster Abbey on the Isle of Sheppey.
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Hence my requests for precise locations!
OS X (Eastings) 631167
OS Y (Northings) 164438
Nearest Post Code CT12 4HF
Lat (WGS84) N51:19:55 (51.332019842985574)
Long (WGS84) E1:19:01 (1.3170530280936363)
Lat,Long 51.332019842985574,1.3170530280936363
Nat Grid TR311644 / TR3116764438
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I wrongly presumed that my answer to StuartWaters guess of Sandwich would have confirmed which Minster it was. Sorry about that folks. :)
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John, I wasn't trying to be awkward, honest. It is easy though to see just the solution and wander off in GSV or similar without reading all the clues that led up to the solution, particularly if you've been busy and not had a chance to hunt. One of the great virtues of GTP is that people see the photos and find out about new places which is why I sometimes add in the location details once I've found the place. So please don't take this in any way as criticism or nit-picking, it's genuinely meant as an attempt to improve the usefulness of the forum, though on this occasion I will admit I virtually wandered off to the Isle of Sheppey before grandarog corrected me.
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Hi Martin, I didn't see it that way so no worry. Your idea of adding the coordinates is a good one. I keep forgetting to do it.
Cheers
John
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Apologies to all for the delay as I have been working today, and perhaps I should of stated that it was not Sheppey?
Anyway: This Tower was for naughtical purposes...........
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Was the tower designed as a landmark, or for another purpose and used as a landmark?
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It was built by Trinity House and had a purpose........
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Was it overlooking the River Thames?
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Is any part of the structure (or the surrounding buildings) still standing?
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Although I have no recollection of this tower, it does remind me of Lower Murston (brickfields and cement works), of 50 years ago.
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Do we have a date on the photo?
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Not sure if Trinity House would have one but how about a 'shot tower?
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Good evening all.
The photo is dated 1934 and is the start of demolition. A later Tower replaced it which was more of a monument type and no longer had the purpose of the original Trinity House Tower. This also has now gone.
Not a shot tower, but was for naughtical guidance...............
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It does not overlook the Thames Estuary
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I did wonder about the South Foreland, but can't find any reference to a fire tower or a leading light. The present towers there are not monumental and (until decommissioned) had a very definite nautical purpose! Was it either a fire tower of a landmark?
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Not South Foreland.It was a type of Beacon Tower.
It replaced a monument Tower that blew down, so has had three towers at the same location.
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The original Tower was built in 1818.Correction: the third rebuild is incorrect. Historians have confused it with another Tower that is very close.Summary: Both versions were Beacon Towers.
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Hoo ?
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Red Beacon Tower at Thanet ,built to warn shipping of the Sands off Margate.
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Spot on grandarog.Originally built in 1818 by Trinity House, it was flint faced with cemented decorations. Apparently it blew down and another was erected in 1827 with the same Trinity House plaque installed.As a child I lived in beacon Road and recall the Whitfield Tower that was very close to this spot, that also went in the 1970's.It's location is between Northdown Hill and Beacon Road, St. Peters, Broadstairs and can be viewed on OS six inch map, 1888-1913. TR 38583 69482. 51.372, 1'4207 51* 22'28'N + 1* 25'37'EMarked as the RED Tower
so over to you..........
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Thanks Beachbum ,that took a bit of searching to find. Getting desperate for decent GTP Photos now. We haven't had a "Churchy" one lately so here goes.
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Can it be seen on GSV ?
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I think that this one is local to both of us, granderog.
It`s very familiar but I can`t remember where it is. A clue may jog my failing memory!
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Thought you would recognise it Diapasson.
Sorry Johnwalker shielded by trees.
Twixt M2 and M20.
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I know that you have moved along but was that tower to warn of the Goodwin Sands, Grandarog? I seem to remember that there was a Goodwin Lightship?
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I think it was more for the inshore sand banks at Margate .I believe Goodwins are a bit further out.
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Hartlip area ?
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St Dunstans, Frinsted?
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I think you`ve just beaten me to it, John!
I knew I`d taken a photo at some time, so after laboriously ploughing through hundreds of photos, I enlarged and cropped this one.
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Well done .
Yet again Johnfilmer triumphs with local knowledge. Hard luck Diapason..
I found it amazing that either there had never been an opening beneath the arch of stones or the mason had blended the filler flint work in with the existing so well.
Over to you Johnfilmer. :)
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It does look odd. The gap between the stones looks to be far too wide. The official listing calls them "Decorative chalk voussoirs placed towards east end to suggest blocked round-headed south entrance" which sounds suitably vague.
Grid ref (from the listing): TQ8917257403
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That was local knowledge greatly assisted by our good friend Mr Google :)
I thought that I might try something a little different - an old map (from NLS maps)
It is possibly too easy for the train spotters (like me) and there are obviously only so many railway lines to search, so we will see. Enjoy!
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I forgot to mention that the map is an OS 25inch to the mile, revised 1906 and published 1908.
This meant some substantial additional information had only just been incorporated.
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Still searching :D
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Do the station and junction still exist? Are they mainline or heritage?
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The mainline station is still very active, my younger son lives almost opposite.
The Railway Hotel is no more.
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At last! Headcorn Station. The branch being the Kent and East Sussex line heading for Tenterden and beyond.
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Devious! I notice that you didn't mention that the junction was no more, just a copse of trees on Google maps satellite. Well done John (subject to John's confirmation).
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You have it JW, Headcorn station it is.
Just being a little economical with the truth MartinR, can’t make it too easy ::)
Over to you JW
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Thanks John
I enjoyed that one and like you said - something different. I managed to reduce the search once I'd noticed that the track ran exactly East/West (compared against the wording) and there aren't that many tracks like that to search along in Kent. Most seem to be at angles.
Next one. Should be easy ...
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Close to one of the county's Roman routes but quite rural.
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I'm out all day tomorrow at Chatham Dockyard. My sister has organised a vintage pram enthusiast's get-together and I'll be covering the day on video for her.
I Will check for any replies to this GTP in the evening.
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Kent Downs
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Lynsted?
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Bit out of my area , :) .
Elmsted.. St James the Great, 51.1645° N, 1.0259° E
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2211077
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Interesting church, particularly the uncommon wooden bellchamber. The bellframe rests on the top of the stone tower, which takes the weight and dynamic forces. The wooden surround just keeps the weather out. The bells have been unringable since 1917 (officially) or 1950 (last known ringing). About 40 years ago Ellacombe was installed to allow the bells to be played, but whether it is still used I don't know.
There is a cross-section of the tower here: http://kent.lovesguide.com/gallery/elmsted/004.jpg (http://kent.lovesguide.com/gallery/elmsted/004.jpg)
It is grade I listed, see here: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1241752 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1241752)
The church website and a potted history are here: https://www.wyebenefice.org.uk/elmsted (https://www.wyebenefice.org.uk/elmsted)
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Over to you Grandarog. Well done. Also thanks to MartinR for the interesting information.
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Thanks John Walker .
I knew i had seen the church in my travels ,but took me ages to find where it was using Google. :)
Where did i see this nativity Scene last Xmas.
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Is it me or does the crib look like a surprised Kermit the Frog
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Now you mention it Pete.... rivet, rivet :D
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It looks like daylight through the window above Mary’s head, but it is outside. A ruin maybe?
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Rochester Castle?
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Not a ruin john Filmer , You are within 5 miles John Walker. :)
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Upnor Castle?
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Wrong direction, John Filmer.
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Temple Manor?
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Not Temple Manor.
East of Rochester.
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St. Mary`s, Upchurch?
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Well Done Diapason, Did you see it when you drove by. I thought one or two members would have when using the lower road rat run.
Over to you.
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It was the clues that gave it away -- "5 miles east of Rochester".
I knew that it wasn`t Lower Halstow, Iwade, Bobbing (which I know very well) or Newington and, although I wasn`t 100% certain, it had to be Upchurch. Also I de-cropped it which definitely `gave the game away`.
Another ecclesiastical offering which I have been unable to turn. My original shows it in portrait form but it persists in landscape.
The architecture should give this one away.
I`ve just discovered that a single left click on the photo puts things right.
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I've found this one but I'll hold fire as I've had quite a few GTP entries recently.
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I'm still leaving this one for others to find :D
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I can’t find picture of the correct aspect, but given the architecture clue, I’ll have a punt on St Catherine at Kingsdown.
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Absolutely correct, John.
I was a bit concerned when I put this one up as I had never seen a photo (unique ?) of this aspect of the building (north side vestry) but hoped that the architecture would be recognisable.
I assumed, correctly, that either you or granderog would recognise it.
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Sorry to have been awhile, now back at the laptop.
It was a guess Diapason, but the only church around here that I could think of in that style.
Next one - still a churchy one. This is only about 1000 years old, quite isolated and not visible on GSV. Stil in use.
The clue ( a big clue...) is that it is west from the last one.
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Not sure is it Bicknor?
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Go (much) further west.
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Very quiet.
This has an unusual dedication, but don’t forget to go West from the last place. Easily seen on Google Maps, just not on street view.
Maybe Blackadder will Hatch a clue?
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Wikipedia has it that the village name was “tweaked “ in the 1950s to differentiate it from similarly named places in east Kent.
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Anything to do with Ivy Hatch ?
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Wrong Hatch :)
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St Edmund King & Martyr, Parish Church, West Kingsdown
Associated with Brands "HATCH." as a recipient of Funds .
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Spot on Grandarog. The last “place” that I guessed was at Kingsdown, hence my emphasis on going West, to West Kingsdown.
Blackadder was obviously a link to Edmund, and the reference to nearby Brands Hatch was picked up.
It’s a lovely little church, with the distinction of having my in laws buried in the Churchyard. I have been keen to use this for ages, but struggled with lack of street view until the two Kingsdown names could be linked.
If you can, now we are “free” go and visit. In the middle of a wood with a parking area.
Over to you Grandarog.
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Thanks johnfilmer . It was the Hatch clue that did it.
I wish we could get a few more folks on board GTP .Give us a bit of competition. Seems to be only a small clique of us interested.
Next one should go pretty quick.
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Thanks johnfilmer . It was the Hatch clue that did it.
I wish we could get a few more folks on board GTP .Give us a bit of competition. Seems to be only a small clique of us interested.
Next one should go pretty quick.
I think quite a few are on board, but for various reasons don't or can't participate. I moved away over 45 years ago and like I expect many more have limited access to suitable pics. Nevertheless I enjoy the search, piecing together the clues and knowledge gained, with the occasional stroke of luck in guessing a place I haven't seen for decades.
So on behalf of people like me, thanks to you folks for keeping GTP ticking over.
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What used to be the A2 Watling St Gillingham ? Opposite Darland Ave
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Said it would go quick Well done Pete. Will Adams Memorial.
For interest see this link.
https://www.williamadams.fr/william-adams-and-gillingham/ (https://www.williamadams.fr/william-adams-and-gillingham/)
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Another pub, still alive I believe
PS having broadband problems so may not answer quickly
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100 posts since july 8th. 99 in gur#ess the place. the forum is dead lol
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shoot999. I go along with those comments. I moved away for good, apart from a couple of years back in Maidstone 1966/7/8, in 1953, so cannot compete on the GTP. But do find a lot of interest, especially when a bit more history is added. And on rare occasions, I am able to "stick my oar in" about things I do know. Or even funnies! Bill, you need to have a more open mind, not just critical of others enjoying themselves.
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No luck so far. Medway area ?
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within 15 miles of Rochester castle
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Freemason's Arms, Snodland ?
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I thought it looked familiar but couldn’t place it. I worked in Snodland for about 8years from 1972 and drove past the place every day :-\
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That's the place-all yours
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Thanks Pete, Not sure why but I went for Snodland as my first search.
Next one ...
Where does this drive lead to?
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Can be seen on GSV including where it leads to.
Mid Kent and Rural
Close to a railway line, river and motorway
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Country park at Allington-was the Maidstone zoo at Cobtree Manor no idea what it's called now
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Country park at Allington-was the Maidstone zoo at Cobtree Manor no idea what it's called now
Not there Pete.
Head roughly SE from the Allington area.
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Leeds Castle ??
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Museum of kent Rural Life?
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Chilston Park?
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Chilston Park?
You've got it JohnFilmer - Well done. Over to you.
History of Chilston Park Hotel
Chilston Park dates back to at least 1100, when 'Childeston' was owned by the Fitzhamon lords of Leeds Castle.
One influential owner of Chilston Park was Thomas Best, MP for Rochester, and a member of a well known Kentish family. During the Bests’ occupation between 1736 and 1819, much rebuilding was carried out. Inside, the rooms on the east side were remodelled to accommodate a staircase hall of Chinese Chippendale inspiration, and outside, the grounds were transformed into a picturesque parkland, complete with its own "natural" lake.
The Bests drained the canal east of the house, but left the pond to the south west of the garden. A sundial in the grounds bears the family's coat of arms and gives quaint bearings to such far-flung locations as Peking.
In 1821, the property passed to George Douglas, the eldest son of Alexander Douglas of Baads, Midlothian, an event which marked the start of a family connection which was to last until the sale of the house in 1983. The Douglas's were related to the Akers family of Lancashire, who were involved in the Caribbean sugar trade in the 17th and 18th century.
The head of the Akers family bore the unusual Christian name of Aretas, which was to travel through seven generations.
Aretas I married Jean Douglas, George's aunt, in 1752, and in 1795 Aretas II wed the daughter of the Reverend James Ramsay, a keen abolitionist, and rector of Teston. A portrait of Aretas II can be seen in the staircase hall.
George Douglas, a bachelor, had an adopted daughter named Margaret Brazier, who in 1830 married one of George's relations, James Stoddart Douglas. He inherited the estate upon George's death in 1836 and in 1873 the Baads estate in Midlothian was left to him. After the death of his wife, Stoddart Douglas married Sarah Jenkin, whose portrait can be seen in the former morning room next to the conservatory.
During her years at the Kentish house, Sarah had a swimming bath built in the woodlands near the south lake. All that remains of her pool, set in a leafy glade, is a trickle of water amongst traces of brickwork.
In 1858, James Stoddart Douglas left Chilston to a distant, but geographically close, relative, Aretas Akers V. He was then living in the converted remains of a Benedictine abbey at West Malling in Kent. Aretas V became the 1st Viscount of Chilston and was the son of Reverend Aretas Akers IV, Rector of Malling between 1824-1856.
In the same year as he inherited the house and estate, Aretas inherited the Scottish property of Baads in Midlothian. He went on to marry Adeline Austen Smith and took her back to his Kentish home. Within a few years, the ancient rooms rang to the sound of children's laughter as they brought the old house to life.
Upon inheriting Baads, Aretas V adopted the surname of his great grandmother Jean, to whom he owed his fortune. For 30 years Akers-Douglas represented the St Augustine's division of Kent in Parliament, eventually becoming home secretary in 1902. Portraits of him at Chilston show a young man with auburn hair and side-whiskers, and later, the corpulent, frock-coated politician he became.
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Thanks JW, a bit of a lucky guess if I'm honest.
This next one is a 1906 photo, the building still exists - but as ever, where?
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IS the river the Medway?
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JohnWalker. Many thanks for that additional history to GDP, very interesting. I was intrigued by the Chinese Chippendale staircase. Anyone been there who might explain please?
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Not the Medway MartinR, go east.
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That's an old picture of Chilham Mill. . The Mill was owned by Southern water until it was bought with the whole estate in the last 20 years .The owner set up a carp Fishery there which is very popular with Anglers.
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Spot on Grandarog. Not a fisherman myself, but their website has some serious fish pictures.
The Wikipedia entry for the Stour mills is also very informative, many more than I had realised.
Over to you.
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Thanks Johnfilmer. :)
My Grandfather was Bailiff at Cork Farm.My mum went to School at Chilham .My Uncle and Aunt Arthur and Nancy Fill owned/landlorded the Woolpack in the early 1900's so have visited Chilham many times over the years.
Where would you find this very distinctive Spire?
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I've only just logged on today but seeing Chilston Park in GTP, can only say thankyou John Walker.
It was my late hubby's ancestral pile ( 4x Gt Grandmother born there Louisa Best. ) but and only because it's had the lovely history added , has anyone any idea of which family is shown in the large portrait on the beautiful staircase ?
Louisa's father was George Best and mother Caroline Scott. George died in 1819 .
We only visited once back in 2012 and only just to nip in and get the brochure they had. Never actually saw the portrait in person . I would love to know whether they are the Best family . Any help would be really appreciated. x
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Lyn L, Interesting history about Chilston Park. I hope you find the information you are after.
JohnFilmer - Fordwich Church?
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John Walker.As the old saying, Go Westish young man quite a long way, about 50 miles.
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Thank you John Walker, it is interesting history. When we visited that day a helicopter landed in the grounds ( we watched ) it was piloted by Prince William who was escorted in for lunch.
I have emailed them but have had no reply and as I'm stone deaf now can't phone and maybe get the answer to my query. Never mind it doesn't really matter now . Would have been interesting to me and my family though.
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John Walker.As the old saying, Go Westish young man quite a long way, about 50 miles.
Near River Medway?
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St Margaret, Barming?
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Eynsford - St Martins Church ?
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Well found John Walker . Next please. :)
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Well found John Walker . Next please. :)
Thanks Grandrog. I enjoyed that search. Lots of similar spires around.
Next one ... some history here . Mid Kent
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Close to the source of a Kent river.
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Smarden area?
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Smarden area?
Not Smarden JohnFilmer
About 150 mtrs from a river (which is a trickle at this point) / within 500 mtrs of a rail line and a major road.
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Has a free chapel annexed to it, the ruins of which still remain.
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Between M20 and A20. It is marked on Google Maps as you zoom in with the name and a castle icon although it isn't a castle of course.
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Very quiet - I'm guessing you've all gone on holiday or more clues are needed ;D .
Between HS1 and another rail line which runs from Ashford to London.
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It is quiet JW, but has given me time to find it.
Royton Manor I think.
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It is quiet JW, but has given me time to find it.
Royton Manor I think.
Well done JohnFilmer. So glad you found it - I was running out of clues ;D . Over to you.
51.220488, 0.724991
ROYTON, vulgarly called Rayton, is a manor in this parish, situated at a small distance eastward from Chillton, the mansion of which had a free chapel annexed to it, the ruins of which still remain.
In the year 1259, anno 44 Henry III. this manor was in the possession of Simon Fitzalan; in which year a final agreement was made in the King's court at Westminster, between Roger, abbot of St. Augustine, and the said Simon, concerning the customs and services which the abbot demanded of him for his free tenement, which he held of him in Royton, viz. one marc of silver yearly, and suit at the court of Lenham, which suit the abbot released to him on his agreeing to pay the rent above-mentioned, and suit at the court of St. Augustine, at Canterbury.
]His successor was Robert de Royton, who most probably assumed his name from his possessions at this place. He founded a free chapel here, and annexed it to the mansion, which thence acquired the name of Royton chapel.
In which name it continued till the reign of king Henry VI. when, by an only daughter and heir, it went in marriage to James Dryland, esq. of Davington, whose daughter and sole heir Constance, having married to Sir Thomas Walsingham, of Chesilhurst, entitled her husband to the possession of it, and he died possessed of it anno 7 Edward IV. and one of his descendants, in the beginning of the reign of king Henry VIII. alienated this manor to Edward Myllys, who did homage to the abbot of St. Augustine's for it as half a knight's fee, which he had lately purchased in Royton, near Lenham. He bore for his arms, Party per fess, sable and argent, a pale and three bears erect, counterchanged, collared and chained, or, from which name it was not long afterwards sold to Robert Atwater, whose arms were, Sable, a fess wavy, voided azure, between three swans, proper, who leaving two daughters and coheirs, Mary, the youngest of them, carried it, with other estates at Charing and elsewhere in this neighbourhood, to Robert Honywood, esq. of Henewood, in Postling, eldest son of John Honywood, esq. by his second wife, daughter of Barnes, of Wye.[/i][/font]
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Interesting place JW.
I had a nice spot lined up, but for some reason when I try to screenshot GSV I have got either a blank white image, or a blank black one. After a few tries and a full reboot, I still got the same result. Time to finally get out with the camera I think.
So back to a map based one. This from a 25inch to the mile OS from 1896. The bridge over the lane is still there, but where?
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Found it but I'll hold fire for a while. Good one JohnFilmer :)
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Vigo Hill/Pilgrims Way/Taylors La Trottiscliffe?
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Well done Pete, it is indeed the bridge over Vigo Hill.
There was a large house, Trosley Towers, built in the late 1800s and this connected the house to other parts of the estate, now Trosley Country Park.
The house was demolished in 1936.
Trosley is, of course, the correct local pronunciation of Trottiscliffe.
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Try this one, members only
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Is it as it appears - a village hall ?
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not a hall
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surgery?
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licenced for alcohol
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Social Club?
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Village cooperative?
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Social club
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General clue as to area please :-\
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South of Maidstone
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I have a vague recollection of seeing this on the old forum but that`s as far as it goes.
A shot in the dark . . . .
Meeting place for Plymouth Brethren or Quakers?
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Is there a sporting connection? More likely to have licensed premises than those that Diapason suggested.
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Purely Social
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Staplehurst area?
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Within 10 miles
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Have found plenty of social clubs south of Maidstone but not this one. As far south as Benenden?
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No, try going SSW of M/stone
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Yalding area?
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A clue which should kill it- one foxhound said to the other "Whens the next ======="
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West Street, Hunton :)
51.21820997380207, 0.46025432404395156
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The Original look.............
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I feel a bit stupid (that’s even more than usual!) as I’m fairly sure that I did a survey there, poss about 2000 or so.
An assertive young lady in charge?
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All yours JW
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Thanks Pete,
I don't think I would have found it without your clue.
Next one ..
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As rural as it appears. 1km from a National Nature Reserve.
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Rural but not far from a large town.
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Is the Nature reserve Stodmarsh ??
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Not there Grandarog. Wrong town.
Close to a steep-sided dry valley with a fine view. A Norman church is to the left of the photo.
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The name of a discontinued TV Soap might help.
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Brook Agricultural Museum, The Street, Brook near Ashford.
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Beat me to it. :)
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Well done and over to you JohnFilmer and sorry you just missed it Grandarog. The church also looks to be worth a visit.
Brook is in a gently rolling valley top immediately south of the North Downs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Downs). The brook referred to rises here and flows east to join the combined East and West Stour, that is, the River Great Stour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Great_Stour). The south-east fifth of the parish is woodland. Brook has a small village museum. The human population of this area rose by 3 during the 10 years to the United Kingdom Census 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Census_2011). The 11th century Grade I listed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed) parish church is dedicated to St Mary. There is also a Baptist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist) chapel. The church of St. Mary, erected about 1075, is of stone, in the Early Norman style, and has a tower containing 3 bells: the tower was struck by lightning in 1896, and the northwest corner destroyed but was restored in 1899: there are 160 sittings. John Betjeman described the church as "unaltered early Norman church ... a massive church which carries its longevity more convincingly than many older and tidier churches"
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Thanks JW, the search would have been quicker but the church didn't display its name on GSV satellite.
Sticking with map clues, where is this in 1908?
The brickworks later migrated over the road to where the gravel pit is shown, and after closure (in late 60s?) has evolved into an Industrial Estate.
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Would the road be the A2?
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Brook St Mary's official listing is at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1232974 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1232974)
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Probably still Watling Street in 1908, MartinR.
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Very true. See https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=1922_Road_Lists (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=1922_Road_Lists) for details of the original scheme.
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Is the rail line an industrial line rather than a mainline? I'm presuming MartinR's guess of the A2 is wrong?
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Sorry about that, but I thought to indicate that MartinR was on the right road, but that it would yet to be classified.
I wondered when the road classifications appeared, so thanks for that link MartinR.
Railway is not industrial, but part of the main network.
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There is, and has been for some years, a transport cafe on the edge of this map section.
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The nearest I can find is on Watling Street (A2) just east of the junction with Hartlip Road. I'm looking on the OS Six Inch 1888 to 1913 map and it looks different but I can pick out matching sections.
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I will concede this one to John Walker. If he had looked at the 1906 map that's where johnfilmer got the image from. Its George deans old brickfield .Remember it still there not that long ago.
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The two underpasses are still there. The tramway underpass at TQ85018,65134 is now the service road to a road to what I'm guessing is an extension of Amethyst Horticulture. The other underpass at TQ85614,65006
is visible on GSV (see below) but appears to have no current use. The Cedars is now an "assisted living residence".
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3534952,0.6644794,3a,75y,353.26h,78.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQ0Cy96i2SFPF5VaPvY70Sw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DQ0Cy96i2SFPF5VaPvY70Sw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D281.10046%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3534952,0.6644794,3a,75y,353.26h,78.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQ0Cy96i2SFPF5VaPvY70Sw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DQ0Cy96i2SFPF5VaPvY70Sw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D281.10046%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
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You have it JW, it became the Newington Brickfields, all on the south of A2.
The red brick house at the entrance was the starting point of my paper round in 1964, then up the main road to Hartlip Hill, at the top turn left up Mill Hill, then along there to the end of the council houses.
Then back home, we lived opposite the Tuck Inn. I had to cycle to and from Frank Friday’s newsagents in Newington high street (about a mile) to get the papers. Six days a week, and I collected the money, should have been on a Saturday morning, but I found going round collecting on a Friday evening got better results, and Saturday was then much quicker.
When we first moved there in 1958 there was a very tired (Bedford?) tipper lorry that used to trundle to and fro delivering clay to the brickfields. It was loaded by some crude machinery at the top of the hill on the narrow lane that runs off Breach Lane, effectively opposite the brickfields. Because it was always loaded from the same angle, it had an alarming list to the near side.
Probably stopped being used in the very early 60s, but the loading ramp and machinery were left rotting away, clearly visible from the lane which we used as a alternative route to choir practice when the cherries were ripe :)
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I had a strange experience when I put my cursor on NORTH DOWN - in your article John Walker.
When it came on - I looked at it - & my head went swimming - I could not focus - I had to come
away from my computer - leaving it on. I was a bad expirience.
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johnfilmer - Would you believe my whole school was evacuated to Newington in 1939 (for 3 months)
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Castle261, well Newington was the centre of the known universe, when I was 8 :)
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I had a strange experience when I put my cursor on NORTH DOWN - in your article John Walker.
When it came on - I looked at it - & my head went swimming - I could not focus - I had to come
away from my computer - leaving it on. I was a bad expirience.
Sorry to hear that Castle261. It normally just takes you to a Wikipedia page about the North Downs. Hope you are ok now.
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Thank you JohnFilmer. After quite a search that section seemed to be the only place where rail and road ran parallel East West.
I must admit that I quite like your old map searches.
Next one ... shouldn't prove too difficult - coming up soon.
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Followed MartinR's google link and a lovely picture of a Southern Water Sewage Pumping Station comes up.
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Odd. I get a nice brick bridge under the railway line, opposite 17 Wickham Close.
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Yes, with the pumping station in the foreground, behind the chain-link fence ;D
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Oh is that what the slab of concrete is? I thought it was a BT router! Lift up thine eyes and behold a nicely executed four course quarter circle arch with string course above at rail level topped with a stone parapet and flanked with pilasters, stepped in at the string course and topped with a raised parapet.
And if that's not making a silk purse out of a sow's ear, I don't know what is!
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Next one - shouldn't be too difficult.
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Roughly Mid-Kent
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Gypsy get-together
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Hawkhurst area?
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Hawkhurst area?
Head roughly NW Pete
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Gypsy suggests Paddock Wood?
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castle261. My school was evacuated from Gillingham to Herne Bay for the first year of WW2. As the Medway Towns were deemed a probable target for the German bombing to come, it was essential to get children away, even as short a distance as Newington. johnfilmer. Your mention of the Tuck Inn brought back memories of the late 40's/early 50's when it was the venue for all the Cycle Clubs out on their Sunday "Club Run", to meet up for a cupper'. Besides local Cubs, sometimes one of the London Clubs-Ealing Manor come to mind. Was it like that when you lived there?
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Thats the Horsmonden War Memorial.
Quote "The Institute is a property that was gifted to the parish by the trustees of John Francis Austen late of Capel Manor in November 1891 for purpose as a War Memorial and for the use for the benefit of the inhabitants of the parish of Horsmonden.[/size]It was originally built as a Workingmen’s Reading Room and Institute by J. F. Austen Esq.A Turret and Clock were added in 1887 by public subscription to commemorate Queen Victoria’s Golden Jubilee, and presented to the Village.The cost of the Clock supplied by J. W. Benson of London was £65.6.6. and this original clock is still in working order.[/color]
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Thats the Horsmonden War Memorial.
Quote "The Institute is a property that was gifted to the parish by the trustees of John Francis Austen late of Capel Manor in November 1891 for purpose as a War Memorial and for the use for the benefit of the inhabitants of the parish of Horsmonden.It was originally built as a Workingmen’s Reading Room and Institute by J. F. Austen Esq.A Turret and Clock were added in 1887 by public subscription to commemorate Queen Victoria’s Golden Jubilee, and presented to the Village.The cost of the Clock supplied by J. W. Benson of London was £65.6.6. and this original clock is still in working order.
You have it Grandarog - Over to you. In addition to your info, here's the info on the Gypsy connection ...
Famous annual event in September
Our famous Horsmonden Gypsy Horse takes place on the second Sunday in September every year. The event sees a large gathering of horses on the Green with a number of side stalls.You can wander around the bustling Green full of Horses, Horse Boxes, and Horse Transporters and see horse-trading and buy traditional Gypsy goods. You can watch the Gypsy Horse and Traps trotting around as well as Gypsy bareback riding cantering up and down the street.The event usually gets going in the morning and winds up late afternoon. The event has been steeped in controversy for a number of years as any Google search will reveal.Please note that this is not an exclusive Gypsy event and visitors are welcome. History The origins of the Gypsy Horse Fair are not certain, some believe it has been around for around 400 years, some say it was originally a Hoppers Fair. The Gypsy Horse Fair was banned in 2000 with a five-mile exclusion zone with a large Police presence. Eventually, the Gypsy Horse Fair was reinstated after negotiations with the local authorities.
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Thanks John Walker.
Here,s one that shouldn't be to hard to find.
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Is that in Rochester near the river?
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Not there,move East. 8)
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Is it on the Rochester to Faversham rail line?
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Yes Pete. :D
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Between Rochester & Sittingbourne? Perhaps Church La Newington?
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Didn't take much trawling to find the 12 foot bridges,Well done :)
Your Turn Pete.
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Struck lucky, 2nd search : Now try this, and for a change no beer involved
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Railway Station ?
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yup
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North of Sevenoaks?
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Hamstreet?
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Ham Street it is-over to you
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Diapason, you may wish to reconsider the title of your photo!
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I certainly do, John!
I`m struggling to delete the caption but have, so far, failed to do so.
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Just delete the attachment, rename the source then repost it, he says glibly...
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I will have to pass on this one, all attempts to delete the caption have failed.
You know the answer John, perhaps you would continue.
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It was captioned Iwade 4, which rather told us which church it was, although Diapason has managed to completely delete his post, leaving no incriminating evidence 8)
At his request I will post an item, very shortly I hope.
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OK, next one. I still can't steal images from GSV, so this one is from Geograph.
This impressive house has been known by two names, and additionally incorrectly named on maps.
Village location, church just out of shot behind buildings to the right.
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Bottom of large hill.
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Found it but I'll hold back for now as I've had a few entries lately.
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I’ll give another clue JW, if no further takers, then post the answer.
It is quite close to water, sometimes closer than usual...
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Looks like no other takers so here goes ...
Chuch House, High Street, Yalding ?
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That’s the place JW. Over to you.
Also been known as Holborough House. A very nice property, there are some good sales details on line. Pay particular attention to the gas fired stove in the living room, fitted by some bunch of chancers about 15 years ago ::)
The little virgin and child statue at high level on the front fascia is quite a novel feature.
The cellars are probably as big as my house.
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Thanks JohnFilmer
I thought you would get more guesses on that one.
This one might be a real stinker. This view is not on GSV so questions/clue might be needed unless someone recognises it. No clues to start with.
Where is this photo taken from?
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Is it a bell tower?
Are the gardens in the foreground open to the public, and is the building on the same site?
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Is it Tenterden way?
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Is it a bell tower?
Are the gardens in the foreground open to the public, and is the building on the same site?
The garden is private but the view is from an area open to the public.
The building is across a road. Six Bells for Full Circle Ringing. No longer used as a church.
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Is it Tenterden way?
Head North East a way Lutonman
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That tower looks like it could be St Alphege in Canterbury?
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The view through the gates on GSV that are signed Old Palace, is almost identical to your picture.
It’s the chimney pot that clinched it!
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The view through the gates on GSV that are signed Old Palace, is almost identical to your picture.
It’s the chimney pot that clinched it!
Wow! I wasn't expecting it to go that quick. What gave it away? :)
Back to you JohnFilmer
The view is from outside the west end of the cathedral, looking through the gates of The Old Palace. I had a walk round a couple of days ago.
LINK TO ST ALPHEGE CHURCH BELLS
http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=217 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=217)
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That was the product of a bit of careful sleuthing and a lot of luck - start at the Cathedral and work outwards I thought. Couldn't be much closer :) It was good to be back electronically wandering the streets of Canterbury.
Where are these remains?
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Eynsford Castle?
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Not Eynsford, Pete, nor a castle.
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Is this in the Dover area ?
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Bayham Abbey?
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Mid Kent, not Dover.
Ecclesiastical connection, but not Bayham. Finally got the darned predictive text thingy to stop putting Balham!
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Bal Ham, gateway to the South
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Ah the Goons :)
I spent quite a while around Tooting, Balham, Wandsworth, Lambeth and Peckham from the late 70s to 2000s chasing Housing Associations for servicing contracts. Even then a majority of my contacts just gave me a blank look if I launched into Goon humour or references like this.
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Motorway, railway, both in close proximity.
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I think it's the ruins of Boxley Abbey Gateway
Tyland Lane, Boxley
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You are right JW, it is the entrance to Boxley Abbey.
I went there to advise on heating options for some proposed outbuilding conversions. I also was invited into the house to discuss them. The details are lost, but I remember being amazed at the historic artefacts that were literally everywhere. No camera phone then, so no sneaky pics.
Back to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer,
I had a bit of luck there as I started off searching to see if it was connected with Thurnham Castle. That put me close to the right area.
Next one ... A nice easy one :)
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It looks like a chapel (possibly Methodist) or has it been converted into a private house?
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It looks like a chapel (possibly Methodist) or has it been converted into a private house?
You are on the right track MartinR but I believe it's still an active Methodist church according to their website.
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Another one I know .I will hold back a while,give others a chance. 8)
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Pete. Bal ham( "The Road To", I think?). That was a record by Peter Sellers. You obviously were also a Goon Fan? Happy days. Another of my "asides", sorry folks.
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For those of you too young to have been "Gooned".....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74aK8w2910c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74aK8w2910c)
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Close to an historical waterway,
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1: A curate of this village, was prosecuted by an Archdeacon's Court for playing cricket on Sunday evening after prayers.
2: Very close to a previous GTP by another member.
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A clue for the village Trigonometry
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A giveaway clue for you - South of Ashford
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Doesn't look as if many are looking this time. :(
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I've been looking
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The other church in this village had a connection with Royal Greenwich Observatory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Greenwich_Observatory) and the Paris Observatory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Observatory)
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Like all these things they are only simple when you know the answer...
I have found it, Methodist Church, Marsh Road, Ruckinge.
Now all I need is for JW to explain his clues :-\
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Well done JohnFilmer - Over to you ...
Explanation of my clues.
In 1629, Henry Cuffin, a curate at Ruckinge, was prosecuted by an Archdeacon's Court for playing cricket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket) on Sunday evening after prayers. He claimed that several of his fellow players were "persons of repute and fashion".
I understood that St Mary Magdalene Church steeple was the Ruckinge sighting-point for the Anglo-French Survey.
Ruckinge was an important sighting-point for the Anglo-French Survey (1784–1790) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_Survey_(1784%E2%80%931790)), which calculated the precise distance between the Royal Greenwich Observatory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Greenwich_Observatory) and the Paris Observatory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Observatory), using trigonometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometry). The main cross-channel sightings were between Dover Castle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_Castle) and Fairlight, East Sussex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight,_East_Sussex) in England, and Cap Blanc Nez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Blanc_Nez), Calais (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais) and Dunkirk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk) in France. A grid of triangles was measured to link these viewpoints, which included two base-lines on Hounslow Heath (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounslow_Heath) and Romney Marsh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romney_Marsh). Ruckinge was the north-western point of the Romney Marsh base-line; the south-eastern end was at High Nook near Dymchurch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymchurch).
The nearby historical waterway is the Royal Military Canal which runs very close to the village.
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As I said, it's easy when you know the answer! I just worked away from Ham Street, staying close to the Military Canal. Went past it twice, third time I went down Marsh Road.
Sorry about delay, been refurbing the loading port of my 40odd year old BSA Airsporter S rifle. It now has a new detent spring and ball, only a couple of mm diameter. That was fun to find when it inevitably shot across the workshop. Done now, calm has returned and I'm ready for the next rat that comes after the bird feeders. The Airsporter packs quite a punch, my modern air rifle is less certain of a kill, weaker (legal?) spring but nicer to shoot. I hate rats >:(
Next one is a disused water tower, so no surprise its on a hill! But which one? GSV is very similar to this view, close to a road.
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Stede Hill Harrietsham
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Wow, that was quick, and correct.
It has now been treated to a “Grand Designs” conversion to a highly des res. GSV is yet to catch up.
Over to Pete...
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All down to search engines ;D Try this for size, another dead pub
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East Kent ?
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West & North of Tonbridge. Landlord used to row for The Waterman's Company Swan Upping
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How about Sevenoaks?
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Shoreham High Street for certain (white car in foreground of GSV)
Was it The Royal Oak?
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It was, landlord John Skelton used to go off Swan Upping whenever it was the Waterman's Company turn.
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Oh the temptation to go off into Kenneth Williams or Frankie Howerd voices, making dodgy jokes about Swan Upping...
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Next one, probably easy for some.
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You're right ,I will hang back for others to try. :)
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Is it something to do with water?
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There is a nearby stream, and a linked road name, but the building itself has absolutely nothing to do with water.
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The old Charnel House opposite Ospringe church?
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That’s the place Diapason.
It gets described in many ways, a bier house is one, and I was trying to work an alcoholic clue to Pete’s dead pub (beer house) theme.
Over to you.
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I've not heard of a charnel house so had to look it up. something else I've learned from this group.
A charnel house is a vault or building where human skeletal remains are stored, They are often built near churches for depositing bones that are unearthed while digging graves.
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Another ecclesiastical offering
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Are we back at St Dunstans, Frinsted?
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Not Frinsted but not too far away.
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How about St Laurance ,Bapchild,? :)
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St James' Church, Bicknor?
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Well done CAT, it`s the blocked west door which, if I remember correctly, cannot be detected from the interior. Photo taken a few years ago.
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Sorry to all for the delay, work keeping me away from the computer.
Many thanks Diapason, this is a doorway I know well from when I worked at the church over 15 years ago. The door is not visible on the interior due to a major scheme of restoration to the church, especially its interior as it was made of chalk blockwork (a very unusual material to use in Kent for face-work). Having been un-roofed and a particularly wet, and then severe cold winter, the interior chalk blockwork largely shattered despite the covering the walls with hessian sheets and straw bales and the lighting of braziers inside the church, each maned 24hrs a day. This meant the entire interior required replacing with the architect/builder requiring large amounts of cut chalk blocks (known as 'clunch') to reface the entire interior. This was coupled with the redressing of the exterior wall faces with knapped flintwork, all in a typical Victorian style, which is why the church appears more modern than its early Norman origin. The west door, which is partially formed of 'Tufa' (a mainly calcium carbonate derived stone particularly like by the Romans and Normans alike) was partially preserved as an antiquarian feature during these works.
However, here is my next one, but where is this mid eighteenth century view of this Kent church?
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Quick guess - St Mary the Virgin, Stansted
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Thanks for your detailed explanation CAT. I never did know the complete history of this extremely interesting building.
Many thanks Diapason, this is a doorway I know well from when I worked at the church over 15 years ago. The door is not visible on the interior due to a major scheme of restoration to the church, especially its interior as it was made of chalk blockwork (a very unusual material to use in Kent for face-work). Having been un-roofed and a particularly wet, and then severe cold winter, the interior chalk blockwork largely shattered despite the covering the walls with hessian sheets and straw bales and the lighting of braziers inside the church, each maned 24hrs a day. This meant the entire interior required replacing with the architect/builder requiring large amounts of cut chalk blocks (known as 'clunch') to reface the entire interior. This was coupled with the redressing of the exterior wall faces with knapped flintwork, all in a typical Victorian style, which is why the church appears more modern than its early Norman origin. The west door, which is partially formed of 'Tufa' (a mainly calcium carbonate derived stone particularly like by the Romans and Normans alike) was partially preserved as an antiquarian feature during these works.
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Looks very similar to St Nicholas Offham, but I fear the base of the spire is wrong.
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Thank you Diapason and its not Stansted John Walker. you will have to move east along the coast from Stansted.
Though originally a very separate parish in its own right, the growth of the adjacent town/port has all but absorbed this church, so much so that their respective churches are only 780m apart.
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I can see the similarities, but its not Offham Johnfilmer. Head east a fair few km's
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Has the tower and spire survived?
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Both the tower and spire are still there today, though the spire is shingle clad and not lead as in my image.
This parish is not the only one with this name in the county.
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Herne bay area?
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St Andrew's Church, Buckland, Dover ?
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Its not the Herne Bay area Lutonman, your too far east from the earlier attempts by both John Walker and Diapason, and sadly John Walker's last go was too far to the southeast.
The town that this village has been absorbed into was previously regarded as a port despite being nearly 3km from open water.
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Try Teynham
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St Catherine’s Church, Preston, Faversham
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You have it johnfilmer, it is indeed St Catherine's Church, Preston. Not the only Preston in the county and now largely absorbed into the suburbs of the town and former port of Faversham. There is the suggestion that Preston as a settlement may predate the founding of Faversham as it sits further up the head of the creek and is closer to the line of Roman Watling Street. Though a Roman villa is known under the remains of Faversham abbey, Preston church appears to be older than Faversham church. Certainly, there is a rare piece of carved Anglo-Saxon cross shaft in Preston church, which came from the blocking of an early Norman window disturbed during the church's restoration.
Over to you johnfilmer
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Thanks CAT, I really should have known that one earlier as I have seen old pictures of it before, and done a drive-by, by accident when trying to avoid traffic (unsuccessfully!). There have been a few ancestors associated with this church, one, a Thomas Clements 1695-1772, married once there, once in St Mary Faversham, and again, probably back at Preston.
Onwards etc - where is this dead pub?
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Thanks for the detailed info on St Catherines Church CAT.
JohnFilmer
Medway Towns area?
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It is Medway, JW
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Think I have it ,shop and Flats now I think.Will hold off. :)
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Yes it still stands, now “repurposed”.
The original name was added to in 1890s, but the additional name was redundant by 1911, although not removed from the building.
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Is it the Pizza Hut, next door to the "Hope Centre", Rochester? Although not absolutely sure, but I was drawn to this area by the railings, having walked by many times en route to Rochester Art School.
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It is now a Pizza Hut Diapason, well done.
It was The Hare & Hounds and Railway Hotel. The latter name added when Chatham Central station was opened opposite in 1892. That white elephant spur line was closed in 1911 and all traces are now gone. Badly named as neither in Chatham, nor central!
The little shop next door at 342, still standing when this photo was taken about 1960, was where my father was born in 1909. His father was trading as a baker and confectioner, and the family moved a little up the road to 350 by the 1911 Census. There they also had a small Cafe to sell the produce.
The uncropped photo has a car roof below the distinctive railings, which I thought was a clear indication of St Margarets Banks, so I adjusted it ::)
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Thanks, John! Somewhere nearby there was a coffee shop that served Espresso/Expresso coffee, nothing like today`s brew, but very popular in the fifties.
Next one, a change from churches and pubs. Where would you find this ornate chimney? I think it must be`listed`as all around it has disappeared.
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Local knowledge . Will give it a couple of days if it doesn't go will take it. :)
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Old Brickfield?
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Thanks, John! Somewhere nearby there was a coffee shop that served Espresso/Expresso coffee, nothing like today`s brew, but very popular in the fifties.
Next one, a change from churches and pubs. Where would you find this ornate chimney? I think it must be`listed`as all around it has disappeared.
Was the coffee shop The Parlour, just along from the pub? Where the Mods used to hang around during the sixties. I remember the scooters lined up from outside the Parlour right along the Banks.
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Diapason, It looks like the chimney at Horton Kirby but the photos I have show a further section above which might have since been removed?
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Nowhere near Horton Kirby, JohnW.
Very close to an old brickfield, but not part of it, JohnF.
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Abbey Fields, Faversham ?
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You`re getting nearer, John W
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The building is still in use, but not for the original purpose.
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Former railway works building?
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Lower Halstow Area ?
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A few miles away JohnW.
Nothing to do with the railway CAT.
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Milton Regis?
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Extremely close, Lutonman. You can`t get much closer.
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Murston ?
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You`re so close, JohnW.
I think that this building MAY be visible from Murston.
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Calor Gas Centre on Eurolink at Murston?
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Yes the Eurolink Estate, Sittingbourne. Originally Sittingbourne Sewage Works, built around 1902.
My Granddad was the first engineer there.
Sometime in the 1960`s I went inside but all the machinery had been removed and what photos I took have long since disappeared
Here`s one of the pumps; photo from Granddad`s collection.
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It's amazing. I went round that area on GSV and thought it would be easy to spot that chimney but no sign of it despite it's height. Once Lutonman had made his guess I was able to locate it.
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Yes, it took a long time to find it on GSV because other buildings blocked the view.
I take it's my turn.
I recently visited this town on a treasure trail and this was a clue, but where is it?
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Is it anything to do with a Bank?
Possibly the long gone Martins Bank.
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I think it was a Barclays. Corner of High Street and Mill Street, Maidstone. Just by the gun.
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Yes, old Barclays bank High Street and Bank Street Over to you John Filmer. I do recommend the trails found out quite a bit about Maidstone.
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That Bank with Coins etc. was one of my GTP,s a while ago. :) :)
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Sorry, I missed that.
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@Lutonman: Any idea if those trails are suitable for mobility scooters?
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Sorry, I missed that.
The others didn't :)
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We had our business based in Maidstone for many years, paying in to the HSBC just up the road. Saw these many times, and yes I also missed your GTP with them Grandarog.
Back soon, need to change devices...
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Next one, visible on GSV, but only from about here (this is not screen grab from GSV), there are properties beyond the bridge, but not visible on GSV.
Starter hint - yes it is a railway bridge.
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Dover to Victoria line? >
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Further south.
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Active main line.
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Maidstone area?
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It is in the Maidstone area JW.
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There is a road junction behind the photographer with a road that had much more importance before a Turnpike was built.
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Are we looking around the A20 ?
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Near but not on A20 JW
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I've looked at many bridges along the line between Charing and Maidstone. Very similar designs to the one in your photo but I haven't found the actual one so far. Am I in the right area?
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Very much in the right area.
But where? (That’s a clue...)
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The road under the bridge, and the farm further along it, is named for a feature shown on the earliest OS maps on NLS, but does not appear thereafter 1870s ish.
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That is well hidden :D Chapel Lane, Bearsted ?
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Well done JW, you have it!
That area is Ware Street, hence the where? Clue ::)
I couldn’t find out anything about the Wesleyan chapel, but it predated the railway.
Carry on Number One...
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Thanks, JohnFilmer - I lost count of how many times I searched that length of the line. I don't give up easily, fortunately.
Next one ... An easier one.
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Thanet area?
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I can’t quantify it, but it has the look (to me) of a Congregational Church?
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Thanet - too far east.
Not sure if it was Congregational but despite its size, it's named as a chapel.
The building still exists but is no longer a church.
Can be seen on GSV.
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There's a technical distinction between a church and a chapel which is not based on size. A church is the parish church1, so therefore CofE2. A chapel can be: a subsidiary space within a church or cathedral, an Anglican non-parish church such as a mortuary chapel or chapel of ease, or else a non-Anglican church. The latter may look odd, but it is tied up with the establishment of the CofE and things like marriages. An older generation in places like Wales would differentiate between "church" (CofE) or "chapel" (typically Methodist).
1) Though a cathedral church is not necessarily a parish church and yet can provide the same facilities for marriages.
2) I think RC common usage follows that of the CofE, but AIUI the legal distinction still applies, so all RCs are legally chapels.
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Thanks MartinR, very informative.
Clue: Most of the original buildings surrounding this chapel have been demolished making way for residential development.
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IF it's where I think it is, .... rather nice inside !
Not giving any clues though 8)
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IF it's where I think it is, .... rather nice inside !
Not giving any clues though 8)
I believe it's been converted into just four luxury apartments :) Why not take a guess Lyn L :)
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I thought as soon as I saw it I knew where it was.
My brother married his first wife there a long while ago. I would have to pass on adding a new GTP though if someone else could have the honours. So
So will name it if that would be OK ? Of course if someone else answers it my problem is solved !
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Lyn, I haven’t any idea at the moment, so if you know the answer fire away, and I’ll provide the next one if that is a problem for you.
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Thank you John,
I believe it's St Michaels and All Angels church, which was the Depot Garrison church for the Royal Marines in Deal.
My eldest brother was there at the time of his marriage 1964 to a Naval Wren.
Now the whole area has been turned into housing,
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Sorry Lyn L, it's not that one but I can see why you thought it was as it's so similar. Possibly the same architect. :(
Head WNW.
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Thank you John W, yes they are alike to others.
I married in St Georges ( HMS Pembroke ) also 1964 , the only difference in that and the Deal one was the carpet in the aisle. Blue for RN and red for RMs.
And I thought I was being clever , never mind best of luck to who guesses it correctly, Can't wait to find out where now x
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Give it to Lyn John Walker , It is the Chapel at the RM depot. Close to the Church.
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Give it to Lyn John Walker , It is the Chapel at the RM depot. Close to the Church.
Sorry, Grandarog but it's not that one either. Head WNW.
It's not forces related.
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An 'A'Road, railway line and river running close together about 1/2 km away to the North. Station slightly to the NW.
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The place this chapel was connected to had a bad reputation. That should help.
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I found it a while ago, but thought to hold back to let others have a go. But...
It’s Chartham, and that is one big Chapel!
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You have it JohnFilmer. It is St Augustines Chapel. Originally part of St Augustines Psychiatric Hospital, Chartham. Over to you ...
51.246685235499505, 1.0304661256287007
St Augustine’s Hospital was a psychiatric hospital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatric_hospital) in Chartham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartham), Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent), England (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England). It was founded as the second, or East, Kent County Asylum in 1872. In 1948 the hospital became part of the National Health Service (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service) and was renamed St Augustine's Hospital. The hospital gained notoriety in the 1970s when it was the subject of a committee of inquiry into malpractice and mismanagement. St Augustine's Hospital closed in 1993 and the site is now occupied by housing, although a few of the original hospital buildings remain.
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Ah John, that explains the chapel term. It would be a private chapel as in many stately homes, almshouses, hospitals or Anglican schools. Not a parish church so therefore however big and impressive still a chapel.
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I'm still having picture issues, so bear with me. This is either easy if you know it, or not...
Clearly seen on GSV
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I'm away for a week, probably with bad internet connection. I'll join in if possible but at least you'll all know I'm not ignoring the thread.
John
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A green place in mid kent
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I have not a clue but to help things along, is it near Headcorn?
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Not that near Headcorn, about 10miles or so.
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Biggest clue is in the picture :)
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I hope that I haven’t dropped a clanger with this one ;D
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I don't think I've seen this one, although it does ring a bell ;D . Would 'bell' be in the place name?
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It’s back to the photo JW. Bell is not in the place name.
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Gravesend?
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Within 10 miles of Headcorn, Diapason. You’re way too far north, and a bit west.
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is it one of the '-----Den' villages?
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Sorry CAT, not one of those villages.
Generally the “dens” are to the south.
All three buildings share a name before the description, I think that makes sense :-\
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Near Goudhurst?
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Go north Lutonman.
Not very far from a recent GTP.
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The adjacent green space has a cricket connection.
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Marden?
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North again, Lutonman, at Marden you’re not yet halfway from Goudhurst.
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And what’s that on the roof?
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The Green, Bearsted. Facing The Oasts.
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Well done shoot999, it is Bell House, The Green, Bearsted. also in the picture is Bell Oast and Bell Barn.
A seriously historic building, I thought that the bell would be the ultimate clue, Oh well...
All yours shoot999.
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Opps, Should have mentioned it was Bell House.
From a previous sell
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=30508619&sale=55778904&country=england
As I'm running out of pics a relatively easy one. Where was it, and where is it now?
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Churchyard or Cemetery for starters ,rough area of Kent clue ,please.
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North Kent. It was in regular use in its previous location. it has no function now.
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Water fountain?
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Was this the fountain that resided at Luton Arches Chatham aons ago? I've no idea where it went to.
Alec.
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Are those flowered graves beyond? If so, and it was moved, I guess it got moved to a cemetery?
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Was this the fountain that resided at Luton Arches Chatham aons ago? I've no idea where it went to.
Alec.
You have it. The Driver Fountain moved from Luton Arches in the early 60s. And now in a corner of Chatham Cemetery nearest Palmerston Road. No idea where the horse trough went.
Over to you.
https://chathamhistoricalsoc.chessck.co.uk/historysection/driverfountain
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Only the second time I've had the honour..........
Looks peaceful enough but can get a bit noisy.
Alec.
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I'm assuming that we can put "can get a bit noisy" with the posters of trains and the fact that it is called "station2.png"?
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I'm assuming that we can put "can get a bit noisy" with the posters of trains and the fact that it is called "station2.png"?
Yes indeed Martin. I thought I'd make it easy by sprinkling a few clues around :)
Alec.
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I'me having this one. Its the old Station masters house at Eynsford. My cousin Jack Wells and his wife Vera,iived in the Bungalow Called "Sorrento" further along Station Road.
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Well done grandarog.
All yours.
Alec.
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Thanks , Where would you find this Victorian Post Box.
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24 hrs with no responses .Time for a clue Swale area.
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Hollingbourne Manor?
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Good guess but not there ,Need to go roughly North a few miles.
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Bredgar?
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It’s Tunstall House, Tunstall.
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You have it John Filmer. It is in the wall beside the Gates of Tunstall House.Home of the Webb family for years.
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Thanks Grandarog, I spent ages checking places with larger houses, but kept finding modern post boxes on poles just around the corner. Then bingo :)
I’ll return with the next one shortly, need to get on the laptop instead of this iPad, sitting in the garden with a cup of tea.
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Here's the next, a rather impressive building. The trees on the front fence make it difficult to see on some versions of GSV, earlier dated images are clear.
North Kent, south of A2, church nearby.
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Hi John F. Having drunk your cup of tea, are you now mowing the front lawn? ;D
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Very droll Mr Smith.
Actually it is on the to do list, but we have far more modest dimensions. Even our exposed ceiling beams are reinforced concrete, fool most people until you tell them.
For over 30years We had a 200odd year old money pit with floors that flexed so much that wardrobe doors opened as you walked across the room. I love old buildings, but am now happy to live in a 1940s semi with cavity walls solid floors up and down, and concrete stairs at a sensible angle, thanks very much :D
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The lane to the right hand side of the property as you look at the photo, has a church connection. The road past the front of the property is named for its old nature of becoming something else.
Another, recent, GTP is very close by.
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Can't remember the name of the road, but I'm sure that's in Teynham. My old boss when I worked in Chatham Historic Dockyard moved into a property in the grounds. Some sort of converted stable I believe.
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A little way further east from Teynham, or more pedantically Green Street, Stuart.
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"The Old House", Lynsted or Ludgate Lane?
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East a bit from there as well Diapason, and a bit closer to the A2.
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At the end of the lane it meets the A2 with an historic building on each corner.
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Water Lane Ospringe?
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Queen Court Farm ?
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It is Queen Court Farm, Water Lane, Ospringe.
So, very nearly there Lutonman, but John Walker got the exact building.
Welcome back JW. Over to you.
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Thank you JohnFilmer. As you mentioned, it's not very visible from the current Street View but I was able to identify it from the arial view.
Next one ...
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Clues: Surrounded by roads. Very close to a wedding venue and a Norman church. NW Kent
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Two other places with a similar name are in an adjoining county which is separated by a river.
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In easy view on Google Street View. Very small village
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Some people could end up here by mistake instead of heading off on their holiday.
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That was the clue i needed .Stanstead Kent . Figure atop the War Memorial.
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D'oh! I couldn't find a Kentish Heathrow or Gatwick. I'd forgotten about that other one!
Grid ref: TQ6083162230
WGS84: N51:20:11, E0:18:27
Well done Grandarog
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So, very nearly there Lutonman, but John Walker got the exact building.
That's Ok, I try to join in when I can but many defeat me as I am not an East Kent man and don't have a lot of time to search.
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You have it Grandarog - I was running out of clues. :)
It is indeed the war memorial in a triangle of grass in Stansted. There is an enormous barn close by used for wedding receptions.
Over to you ...
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Thanks John Walker. I knew the village had had awful problems with lorry loaded with freight for air transport misguided by Sat navs.
Try this one . Where and what.
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On top of a building ?
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No on a Building.
East Kent to start you all off. :-\
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A memorial ?
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Yes a Memorial.
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Wartime Memorial?
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Found it but will give it longer to give someone else a chance. :)
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On the right track Beachbum.
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Perhaps a Aircraft crash site, no idea where..............
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Not a crash site, more common type of memorial.
Clue CT post code East Kent.
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I'll still hold off for a while - it's not that difficult to find.
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Coastal?
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Close to coast.
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Very quiet on this one. Can I suggest it might be worth members asking more questions to narrow it down? If no guesses by Monday evening, then I'll go for it :)
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A war memorial or a memorial to a particular event?
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Manston?
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Easy now with this clue. A War Memorial near the coast. :)
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Come on you lot.
I cant believe this hasn't been found yet. :o :-[ ::)
I have run out of worthwhile clues of any value to help you all.
Please try harder.
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War Memorial, Kings Road, Herne Bay?
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Spurred on by Grandarogs piece, I think it could be at Worth. War memorial opposite church, in front of pond.
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At last .Well Done John Filmer. It certyainly is the Worth War Memorial. Boldly displayed in a prominent position to be seen by passing motorists. Surprised the guess lasted so long. over to you for next one . :)
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Sorry for delay, been playing with my new toy, a battery powered (but powerful) chainsaw. Logs cut and stacked, not bad for a couple of OAPs.
Meanwhile... how about this house. Demolished in the 1970s I think, and very little information readily available.
Was part of a larger, and still extant, estate with a railway connection. Mid kent, site is between M2 and M20.
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Wrinsted Court?
The railway connection being the miniature railway at Torry Hill, a former Forum member was/is one of the loco drivers.
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Well I am surprised at Diapasons quick, and very correct, answer.
There is so little detail on the internet.
I found it as an ancestor lived at Flint Barm Farm, a bit south from it.
Over to you Diapason.
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Local knowledge, John!
I was in the vicinity this afternoon. As you say, there`s very little about Wrinsted Court on the internet except one photo but I can remember seeing "Wrinsted Court" on a signpost when I was about 10 years old, and that was long time ago.
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This photo was taken nearly five years ago and the building still stands but in what state I don`t know.
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I will pass for while on this one Bryn, unless it hasn't been found by Sunday Evening. :)
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Be very wary johnfilmer, a chainsaw is NOT a toy! They slice logs- & arms!- like a knife thro' butter.
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Don't panic Dave Smith, the new bit is the 40volt battery operation, I have had a conventional 2stroke powered chainsaw for over 40years - not the same one... Very pleased with the results.
I use an extremely sturdy metal saw bench with a pivoting clamp and shield arrangement to which the saw is attached, becoming a sort of chop saw. Freehand chainsawing is avoided.
Splitting is no longer done with a maul (wide axe) after a bit flew up and whacked me on the head, a 5ton electro-pneumatic splitter was bought a few years ago with the winter fuel allowance. Highly recommended.
Meanwhile, back in church, rough area Diapason?
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Thanet area.
I don`t think that this building is, or has been, open to the public.
My only visit (when I took the photo) was arranged.
A possible health hazard, thanks to the pigeons.
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So is it a private family chapel then and not a church?
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A chapel, yes, but not a "family" chapel.
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Institutional then?
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Yes, an Institution - I think that you are nearly there!
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Ursuline Convent at Westgate?
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The chapel at the Sea Bathing Hospital, Margate. A lot of the original building has been converted into des-res apartments. I wonder if the chapel has been saved.
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As far as I`m aware, the chapel is still standing and an attempt is being made to convert it into two houses.
Also that the historic `Father` Willis organ be re-located. if or when it is restored from its appalling condition.
Over to you, John W!
https://npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=N14623
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Well done JohnWalker.
The Chapel is Grade 2 listed.
Hospital chapel. 1882-3 by James Knowles Junior for Erasmus Wilson. Early English style. Polychrome brickwork with slate roof and some stone dressings. 6 bay nave with 1 bay chancel and lower apsidal ended sanctuary and small octagonal tower with brick spire and stone finial to north west. West gable has 5-light traceried windows. 5 arched windows with double lancets with trefoil heads and quatrefoil motifs above and easternmost window with 3 trefoil headed lancets and 3 quatrefoils all divided by buttresses. Gabled south porch. Interior: The interior contains a very fine series of stained glass depicting miracles and healing plants by Clayton and Bell. Encaustic tiled floor to chancel and sanctuary and central strip to nave. Hammer beam roof and stencilled decorations to walls. Wall painting to west end. Octagonal font with marble columns. There is a Willis organ with stencilled pipes.
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Thanks, Diapason, an interesting one. I've driven past so many times and not really taken notice. Thanks also to Grandarog for the further info.
It looks like the building is in good condition going by this fairly current view on Google.
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Next one folks - In plain view and still exists.
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grandarog. I liked this but didn't understand a word! JohnWalker. Looks like a brewery?
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Not a brewery Dave Smith. The building now has another use but not its original use. However, what it was built for is still operational a couple of hundred yards away.
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Railway building?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Sea_Bathing_Hospital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Sea_Bathing_Hospital) if anyone is interested.
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Railway building?
Yes :)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Sea_Bathing_Hospital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Sea_Bathing_Hospital) if anyone is interested.
Thanks MartinR. Some of my family stayed there in the years before it closed. It was in a sorry state as I recall.
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Chalybeate water ...
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Great Clue John Waters .
The old Tunbridge Wells West Railway Station.
Now preserved by the Spa Railway. Mentioned in Imagies Project website.
https://www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk/article.php/27/tunbridge-wells-west-station (https://www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk/article.php/27/tunbridge-wells-west-station)
https://www.thetunbridgewellsproject.co.uk/ (https://www.thetunbridgewellsproject.co.uk/)
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You have it Grandarog, Glad the clues helped.
Over to you
The Chalybeate Spring at Tunbridge Wells
Princess Victoria, later Queen Victoria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria), drank the waters every day during her stay in Tunbridge Wells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tunbridge_Wells) in 1834. She and her mother, the Princess Victoria, Duchess of Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Victoria_of_Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld), would pay a visit to the spring and then stroll along the Pantiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pantiles). The water contains a significant level of dissolved mineral salts, with iron and manganese contributing to its characteristic flavour.
The Spire Southampton Private Hospital in Chalybeate Close, Southampton, UK was formerly known as The Chalybeate Hospital until 2007. Content of the chalybeate waters from Tunbridge Wells
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Thanks John Walker , seems to be still us few trying.
Next. Where would you have seen this structures windows.
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I really haven`t a clue, but it does remind me of one of the footbridges over the railway line at Sittingbourne Railway Station. Possibly the `old` one.
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Well Diapason for "not having a clue" You are spot on. It certaimly is the centre section of the old footbridge now long gone.
Here it is being dismantled and craned away for scrap.
Your Turn.
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It was sheer luck, Granderog.
As soon as I saw the photo, the only thing that came to mind was the old footbridge but I certainly wasn`t certain and was extremely surprised that my guess was correct
Next offering - this building no longer exists but another business is on the same site. This framed photo was shown to me when I visited a few years ago as I had a family connection.
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Seen this pic before, I think on the old GTP; but forgotten where it was. ;D
Coastal?
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Is it a laundry business with all that washing outside?
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I have a feeling that this was the original laundry at the top of Laundry Hill in Minster, Ramsgate?
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Yes the old Minster Laundry where my Grandfather was the engineer in the very early 1900s.
shoot999 - I think I used this pic. on the former KHF
As it is today, possibly the same`van` on the Ramsgate sands.
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Thanks Diapason
The picture rang a bell when I saw it so as you say, probably from the old forum. I lived in Minster for a number of years and Laundry Road was where we used to watch the Manston Air Shows from (Free of charge and no traffic jams).
Next one ... Which church is this font to be found in ?
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Sort of SW Kent
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I'm away most of this week so my replies might be delayed. I'll look in as much as possible.
Further clue: Top of a hill. That should do it. :)
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Quick guess. St Michaels, East Peckham. :)
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I wondered about Staplehurst
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JohnFilmer and Grandarog Your both not a million miles away but both need to move further south (ish) :)
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Goudhurst?
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Goudhurst?
Yes, JohnFilmer, Goudhurst it is. St Marys
Over to you...
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Well that was an outright guess!
Next one is a map again, from the 1930s. None of the Crescent still exists, a lot of change especially since the 70s.
Mid Kent, near water and two railway lines. South of M20
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There are now two sets of traffic lights within the map area shown.
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The drive coming down past the lodge, originally continued on the south of the road, just visible behind the cottages on the lane. It went to a railway station.
The lane is now a busy road, although still called a lane.
The group of buildings was often referred to as a Colony.
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Nearby intersection was once a giddy making start to a new type of road
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I'm still away and don't have access to the old maps on my mobile. I enjoy these map GTPs.
Anything to do with Seven Mile Lane?
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John F, that makes me think about a roundabout at the start of a motorway.
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JW, not Seven lie Lane. Too far SW (ish)
MR, no roundabout at that point originally, large one now.
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Near the original start of the M2?
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To sum up so far:
- South of the M20
- Near water
- Near two railway lines
- Railway station to the south (at the end of the drive)
- Around 93' (30m) above sea level
- Now: two sets of traffic lights and a large roundabout.
- Start of a "new type of road"
- NE of Seven Mile Lane
OK so far?
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MartinR, exactly so, although not an exhaustive list, of course.
Nice idea JW, that never ending tight left hander as you head onto the Wainscott bypass from London bound M2, is very reminiscent of what I’m trying to describe. But not there...
Cover everything where the crescent once stood, in Retail.
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It is Quarry Wood Industrial Estate, near the RBL village. The site was Preston Hall Hospital I would guess.
DTT. I found it by guessing the general area and then looking at old-maps.co.uk for 1936.
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Well done DTT, Quarry Wood it is.
There was a cheap canteen style restaurant in one of the buildings (1973 ish). A workmate and I could “just” make Snodland to there and back with indigestion.
The original start to the M20 was like driving down a corkscrew onto the coast bound lane.
Over to DTT
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Thanks Johnfilmer, it is certainly a busy area these days. It was the clue about the roads and corkscrew that gave me the biggest hint.
Anyway, on the theme of pubs where is this? It is still trading, and is now a Sheps pub. No clues just yet.
DTT
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Shouldn't last long .There were only 81 of their pubs to choose from. :) :) :)
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Ah, the thrill of the chase, Rog! Hope all is well with you. Dave
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Time for a clue, the area has literary connections.
DTT
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Dickens?
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Correct, JW.
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Gads Hill area? I've checked some pubs in that area but not found the right one, so not sure if I'm in the right area.
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You are almost on top of it, JW.
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Is it the Gardeners Arms, Higham? Similar, but many changes to the exterior if it is?
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Well done, JW. Spot on. It has very good reviews I understand, although have not visited it myself.
Over to you.
DTT
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Thank you, DTT
I found that one early on but it looked so different, I discounted it.
Next one up later.
The Gardeners Arms now.
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There's a bit about it here http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Gardeners-Arms-Higham.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Gardeners-Arms-Higham.html)
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Thanks for the interesting info MartinR. Looks like a nice village pub these days.
Next one ...
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Has the look of a hospital water tower?
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Has the look of a hospital water tower?
Correct JohnFilmer - but which one? :D
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It still exists. Can be seen on GSV
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From memory, it looks like St Augustines Hospital, Chartham.
I visited the hospital on two occasions, once to see a workmate and also a neighbour.The elder of the two managed to `break` out and never returned. Strangely, both had worked in the printing trade.
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From memory, it looks like St Augustines Hospital, Chartham.
I visited the hospital on two occasions, once to see a workmate and also a neighbour. The elder of the two managed to `break` out and never returned. Strangely, both had worked in the printing trade.
Spot on Diapason. I wonder if your workmate and neighbour had been affected by a chemical previously used in the printing trade?
I remember as a child hearing adults speak in sad and concerned tones if anyone they knew was admitted there. In the late 60s or early 70s, I was booked to do a number of disco evenings in the main hall. They were quite successful and I'm guessing only certain patients were allowed to attend. For obvious reasons I was asked not to use flashing lights/strobes, so I just lit the hall with static coloured floods to create an atmosphere. Also, had to be very careful with my choice of records.
Over to you Diapason ...
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Yes! Methyl ethyl ketone, Benzene and Toluene were dangerous if misused. I think all are banned now.
Please would you continue with GTP as I have accidentally deleted most of my photos. The ones I have retrieved are all unsuitable.
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Ha Ha. Toluene..... When I worked for Lacron at the Teynham Oast House the Moulds for the Filters we made were dewaxed and cleaned out with Toluene after each use. some of the bigger moulds required a lot of arm stretching and leaning over to wash out. Consequently every now and then a novice worker would be found head down hanging in the mould. Treatment was to get him out into the fresh air when he would quickly come round. Unfortunately the charge hand had a stupid habit of sitting them on the wall to recover.This caused more problems than the Toluene ,as there was a 10 foot drop into the field below. You can guess what used to happen. Luckily no serious injury,s occurred. :)
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Hi Diapason
Sorry to hear of your lost images. I hope you manage to get them back. I'm sure there are some free image recovery programs available. Good luck.
Grandarog - our posts overlapped. Toluene - evil stuff. I experiment using it while developing liquid wheels for disco projectors in the early 70s. Always made me feel unwell. No warnings were given when I purchased it.
Next one ....
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I experiment using it while developing liquid wheels for disco projectors in the early 70s.
I am guessing that would be the famous Pluto Projector, JW. I remember them well back in my disco days from 79-95. Coloured oils warmed by the lamp. I think ours came from Roger Squires.
DTT
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I experiment using it while developing liquid wheels for disco projectors in the early 70s.
I am guessing that would be the famous Pluto Projector, JW. I remember them well back in my disco days from 79-95. Coloured oils warmed by the lamp. I think ours came from Roger Squires.
DTT
We were ahead of the Roger Squires outfit but unfortunately didn't realise the potential of it becoming so popular. Our first 6" wheels had two tanks about 1mm deep with an oil based dye and a water based dye in each tank. As the wheel rotated, friction would take the liquids up and it would flow back down aided ( as you mention) by the heat of the lamp. We originally converted Rank Aldis projectors. Traded as South Coast Discos and then Socodi Music Ltd. It wasn't long before Pluto and Citronic started producing them too.
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The Opera House, Tunbridge Wells. A pub.
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The Opera House, Tunbridge Wells. A pub.
You have it Shoot999 - The Wetherspoon Pub. Great to see these old buildings saved.
Over to you
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Thank you John. I suspect like quite a few others on here who play regularly I am restricted by the number of GTP pics I can muster to post myself. So thank you and the other posters who keep us supplied with the goods.
Think if this one doesn't go quickly it'll need a fair few clues.
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Cant remember exactly where it was but it was a Greasy Spoon Cafe in the old days somewhere near Brands hatch.
Sure someone can pinpoint it. :)
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It looks like one of the motorcycle meet-up cafes from the 60s.
Possibly this one Johnson's Cafe at West Kingsdown - although the window count is different?
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It looks like one of the motorcycle meet-up cafes from the 60s.
Possibly this one Johnson's Cafe at West Kingsdown - although the window count is different?
Spot on John. That was quick! The windows were reconfigured and chimneys removed a while back. Currently a Chartered Accountants. Over to you.
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Thanks Shoot999. When I first saw your photo, I thought it might be the cafe near Bluewater which I believe was also a 60s bikers hang-out.
Next One ...
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Old barracks?
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That,s the old Government Agriculture offices site at Wye. Has a great long brick wall arround the site.
I don,t know if they are still there or have been demolished for development.
Update:-Agricultural Development Advisory Service.Offices planning apps in at Ashford Council for redevelopment.
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Well done Grandarog :) . That was quick.
I knew it as Wye College of Agriculture. Rumour had it that very interesting young ladies attended. Later it was called Imperial College of London.
Now derelict or demolished. (Photo from '28 Days Later' Urban Exploration Group)
Over to you...
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Thanks John Walker,was an easy one for me as was twinned with Kent Farm Institute at Grove End Tunstall and Borden where I grew up.Went there for functions a few times in the 1950's.
Will put up next guess this evening. :)
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I may have posted this on the old forum.
Where did this accident occur?
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If that’s a churchyard wall on the left, then I think you may have shared it before.
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I have only a vague recollection of seeing this one on the old forum.
My immediate guess would be near the stone wall of Lynsted church where the damage still awaits repair. I think the damage at Lynsted occurred after the old forum closed. The dates of the two incidents don`t seem to tally. But it`s worth a guess.
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Diapasson. Yes it is a Rural Churchyard wall on left. You are not a million miles away with your Lynsted Guess. Move west a bit.
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Would a sloping foundation to the wall and a
buttress drain out from it have caused the accident?
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No apparently an over speed and consequent steering failure on the bend.
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Vigo ?
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Stockbury?
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Gone too far Lutonman. :)
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Next to St John the Baptist Church, Tunstall Road, Tunstall ?
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That's it John Walker ,Lucky Guess or good memory? The driver was coming down the hill towards Sittingbourne when the Engine over ran.Presumably the driver lost it and it under steered tipping over just past the bend.
Over to you.
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Thanks, Grandarog. The photo did ring a bell but I couldn't think where. I resorted to searching for Steam Traction Engine accidents and finally came up with a report about this one.
I found this photo first and thought it was the same accident taken from a different angle, hence my earlier Vigo guess.
Next one shortly ...
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Next one folks ...
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Next one folks ...
Mid Kent
Not on GSV but easily identifiable from above.
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Know it but will let someone else guess or it will be like a table tennis match between us :) :)
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Is this Castle Farm oast at Sissinghurst?
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Is this Castle Farm oast at Sissinghurst?
You've got it BeachBum - a very distinctive group of oast houses.
Over to you .....
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Thanks JW.
A door to the Past
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A lighthouse? Possibly at a pier end?
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I know this one but I'll hold back for now. :)
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Me too, go for it strangers lets have some new blood.. :) :) :)
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Must be an old photo. I think its the Folkestone harbour lighthouse, but the door isn't red now?
Alec.
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Same here. I'll give this one a miss. :)
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Yes it is a Lighthouse type structure and it is a new photo.........
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Location clue "200"
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Good clue Beachbum.
Let's have some other forum members joining in. It's not a private club ;D
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Well I think !! I know it but if someone else can do the next bit ( useless with pics etc ) I'll give it a whirl.
Ramsgate Harbour.
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3274899,1.4205399,3a,15y,63.57h,91.03t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMxgc0XoQqPhMDnXV1jGhvobin6-bnIxu0_6UsX!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMxgc0XoQqPhMDnXV1jGhvobin6-bnIxu0_6UsX%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya241.15143-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3274899,1.4205399,3a,15y,63.57h,91.03t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMxgc0XoQqPhMDnXV1jGhvobin6-bnIxu0_6UsX!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMxgc0XoQqPhMDnXV1jGhvobin6-bnIxu0_6UsX%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya241.15143-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!5m1!1e1)
51.3276544°N 1.4215803°E
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Well done Lyn L. It is indeed Ramsgate Harbour West Pier.
The Royal Harbour has just reached it's 200 year anniversary.
The Former Lighthouse has it's date carved into the stonework.
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More Photo's
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Beachbum..
I used to live there when young and it's years since I last visited . It was almost instantly I saw the pic I knew where it was but please would you now add another GTP pic as I haven't got a clue .
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FYI Lyn L
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Lighthouse marked as "Ramsgate Headlight"
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As requested by Lyn L.Another mystery location and it's purpose?
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Medway area?
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Ramsgate again?
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Correct JW
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Between the former tunnel railway Dumpton Park to Ramsgate seafront?
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One of the arches supporting the road (Royal Parade) that leads down to the harbour?
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Sorry Diapason and John Walker, the answers are not the Location.
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The wall on the cliff side of Neros Nightclub?
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It is not within another building JW
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The Ramsgate Air Raid tunnels ? Possibly latrines or a medical area.
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Right location JW, this is a very special Medical area and only one of these in the system?
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Clue = what's above is below"
Where?
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Below the old Ramsgate General Hospital? Emergency operating theatre perhaps?
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Spot on JW.
This was accessed via a ramp from the Hospital.Additionaly, you could be taken into any of the Public ARP entrances and conveyed underground to this Theatre.
Over to you......
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Thanks, Beachbum, I thought it might be to do with the tunnels but didn't recall seeing that part when I did the tour a couple of years back. Further searches and your clues narrowed it down. An interesting one.
Next one ... shouldn't be difficult.
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You have done it again, a well known place in my family. I will pass on this one.
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Is it still in use as a chapel?
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My younger son lives a couple of hundred yards along the road from this, and we walk past it to get to the pub :D
So I’ll hold fire as well.
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Grandarog and JohnFilmer - I'll try to do better next time ;D
MartinR - Yes it looks like it's still in use.
Clue: Baptist and in a large village,
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Mid Kent. I'm sure I heard a tiger roar in the distance or possibly a lion?
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Railway station nearby. On a long straight section of track.
Just heard a plane taking off.
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https://www.headcornbaptist.org.uk/ (https://www.headcornbaptist.org.uk/)
The lion and tiger clues are too cryptic or subtle for me, unless they are referencing aeroplanes like Tiger Moths.
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https://www.headcornbaptist.org.uk/ (https://www.headcornbaptist.org.uk/)
The lion and tiger clues are too cryptic or subtle for me unless they are referencing airplanes like Tiger Moths.
Well done Local Hiker - you've got it so over to you.
The clues related to The Big Cat Sanctuary and Headcorn Aerodrome, both around a kilometer away from the chapel.
https://thebigcatsanctuary.org/ (https://thebigcatsanctuary.org/)
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Thanks John Walker. I have never been to the big cat sanctuary. I had tickets once, but gave them to my daughter and her friend. I believe access is limited.
Anyway, thanks for the other clues that helped me drill down to Headcorn Baptist Church.
Here is the next one, my own photo from last year
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Is that the base of a windmill?
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It is the base of a windmill.
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In that case I will take this one.
https://www.facebook.com/100uniqueisland/
I didnt take the last one asThe Headcorn Baptist Churchyard is the resting place of my Maternal Grandparents ,Several aunts and Uncles and my dear cousin Audrey. Audrey's ashes were sent over to me from Canada to be scattered on her mothers grave there. We had a lovely little ceremony conducted by David one of the Deacons and his lovely wife Doris who provided refreshments.
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That did not take long grandarog. The facebook link says it all. Over to you...
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Thanks Local Hiker. New I had seen it .
Thought someone might have done it up like Rides Mill.
Knowing where you live helped.
Lets see how long this one lasts . Photo taken about 5 years ago
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Aircraft hanger?
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MartinR. Yup :)
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Manston?
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Battle of Britain Museum, Hawkinge?
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Good tries, wrong airfields. More Mid Kent,ish. :)
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An active airfield or a disused one?
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Are we back in Headcorn?
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Yep outskirts. :)
Active.
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Over to you John Filmer .Lashenden Airfield now called Headcorn Aerodrome.
Its the hanger on the right as you enter .
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This one threw me. I looked at Headcorn Hanger and the current roof window arrangement seems different. In Grandrog's photo there appears to be a block of three windows then a gap followed by another block of three. If you look at the current Google view the arrangement is different. Has it been re-roofed at some point? - or perhaps I can't count :D
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I think it is an optical illusion .My photo was taken from roughly between the red Vehicles in Johns picture and the dark coloured block in the foreground. My photo shows the last 5 roof lights at the left.
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Ah, the camera never lies ::)
My problems loading (borrowing) GSV images persists, despite, or because of, my best efforts to resolve it.
I have a suitable idea, but will therefore go and actually take a photo in daylight tomorrow. Will be a good excuse for a jaunt out and about, which have been few and far between over the last 18months.
Excellent idea to do the circle back around to Headcorn grandarog, I would do another around there if only I could think of an obscure clue to keep you on your toes.
I'll be back...
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I think it is an optical illusion .My photo was taken from roughly between the red Vehicles in Johns picture and the dark coloured block in the foreground. My photo shows the last 5 roof lights at the left.
Just a point of interest. I've just checked on Google Earth and the window arrangement has the two ' blocks of three' as per your photo if you go back a few years. It looks like the windows were there but had been blocked out. Also, the roof doesn't look in such good condition in 2013 so it does look like it'd been re-roofed/re-painted at some point between 2013 and current times.
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We have done Dead Pubs a lot, but there are many on-line listings of pubs dead and alive, so I wondered what else has been disappearing. Little local petrol stations was one thought, but these are often redeveloped beyond recognition.
So... Old Post Offices.
Could be a rich seam for us to mine :)
Try this one, closed 1998.
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Decent, still open, pub serving excellent food, and church close nearby (spire visible over roof of house).
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Sorry, I forgot to say, Mid Kent.
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Marden area?
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Not Marden JW. I may have misled you with “mid Kent”, as although mid in the sense of east west, it is north of M20.
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Hartlip area?
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Not Hartlip JW.
It is south of M2.
Remember that the nearby church has a spire, and the pub is almost opposite the church.
Historic house at top of lane opposite old PO, on hill overlooking valley where village sits.
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The Street, Newnham, nr Faversham ?
Amazing how your clues painted a picture in my mind of the location. I thought it was Doddington at first but then remembered the church there was very different.
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You have it JW, Newnham Street.
We have had the church a couple of times on GTP, and I was sampling the menu at the George only last Wednesday. Homemade steak and kidney pudding anyone?
I nearly got caught out as I went off to do a couple of errands and the light was fading fast, so went to one of the nearest old post offices that I knew in my vicinity to get the photo.
Over to you.
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Thanks Johnfilmer
I hope a few more will join in on this one.
(Don't forget, if you make a guess and you are correct, you then need to put a photo of your own up for the rest of us to guess :) [size=78%])[/size]
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From the wreathes I presume a war memorial, but is it a group (eg village) or for a single event such as a plane crash site?
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Pass again ,you must try harder John Walker :)
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From the wreaths I presume a war memorial, but is it a group (eg village) or for a single event such as a plane crash site?
Not quite right, but you are on the right lines with a war memorial and planes. Individuals are not named on it.
It covers the first and second world war.
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The location this memorial commemorates is at the top of a hill.
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It always surprises me how far the monument is from from the "location", also how recent.
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The village location of this memorial is about a kilometer downhill from the location it commemorates.
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Major A Road close by. Joins two Motorways.
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RAF Memorial, Detling?
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You have it Diapason - Over to you. :)
https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/43519 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/43519)
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I have never seen this memorial, but the clues all pointed to Detling.
Next one ...
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Very tricky, that one.
St Bartholomew, Bobbing, Kent, Interior Sculptural detail
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/324736
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That was quick!
The Laughing Woman of Bobbing
Over to you Local Hiker
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Thanks Diapason. It was a matter of image searching. I have never been in Bobbing Church, but I do drive by occasionally.
So, for the next one, I walked along this alley yesterday, and was most intrigued by the Tudor overhang. (on my way to lunch).
It is a bit obscure, so I think I need to support it with clues from the start.
The town mayor lived here for 4 non-contiguous years in the 18th century.
The town has a significant railway junction.
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The ground floor is currently an Indian Restaurant.
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It looks like an alley that leads to a car park in Faversham. If I'm correct the building on the left is a pub.
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You are correct John Walker.
The alley is "Cross Street", running west from Preston Street, Faversham.
The ground floor is currently "The Spice Lounge" Indian Restaurant.
The mayor who lived there was Edward Jacob.
The pub to the left that you mention is "The Old Wine Vault".
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thanks Local Hiker. I've just had a look on Google. The Old Wine Vault looks worth a visit next time I visit Faversham.
Next one ...
Village location.
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Current view, or historic?
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Current view, or historic?
Photo is as per the 2021 GSV but in B+W. Shop is no longer in use as it was in the past. Nameplate over the door has been blanked as it made it rather obvious.
Mid Kent.
Further clues will follow if not guessed.
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A shot in the dark
The Fig Tree, Lenham?
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Could it be 'The Old Post Office' in Sissinghurst, now an antique/curios shop?
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Could it be 'The Old Post Office' in Sissinghurst, now an antique/curios shop?
Spot on CAT. Over to you 🙀
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Apologies for the delay, I shall remedy ASAP
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Again apologies, work always gets in the way of play.
Many thanks John Walker. Interestingly enough, I drove past that very shop about two days prior to you posting the image.
Here is my next, which is another church with a very intriguing history, not only the church itself, but the surrounding immediate landscape.
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Well, I've found churches with one external bell and churches with three but none with two so far. (I expect there's a special name for external bells)
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There appears to be two spaces, JW, but only one has a bell?
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The structure at the end is called a bell cote or bellcot, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell-cot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell-cot) Double bellcots are fairly rare, usually they are single or triple.
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Church of St Pancras Shepherdswell ?
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Grid ref: TR 27440 47594 according to the listing. If you prefer lat/long 51°10'56"N 001°15'11"E I'll leave CAT to write up the history and archaeology.
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Sadly, Lutonman it was not St Pancras Church, Shepherdswell, which is actually dedicated to St Andrew, but you were one village out :) . Maybe a confusion as to the location of the church in relation to the village?
Though not naming the church MartinR, your co-ordinates are correct for St Pancras Church, at Colderd. The church itself, is a small two celled structure dating from before the Norman conquest, though it has been 'Victorianised' as a lot of churches were. Despite this, it still possesses some good pre-Norman indicators in its structure. Dedicated to St Pancras, he was a born in the classical city of Phrygia Salutaris (West central Anatolia, now Asian Turkey) to Roman citizen parents. In about c.303-4 A.D. at the age of fourteen he was beheaded for his Christian beliefs.
The church itself stand within a roughly circular churchyard, which itself forms the protected bailey to a later timber and earthen Norman 'motte-and-Bailey' castle. Whilst the modern lane dissects the castle in half, its substantial bank and ditch earthworks are still very visible from the other lanes and footpaths nearby. All in all, a fantastic historical and archaeological site that is largely bypassed by the crowds and I have spent many a walking break sat in the churchyard.
Over to you MartinR
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From the Historic England listing:
Location Statutory Address: CHURCH OF ST PANCRAS, CHURCH ROAD The building or site itself may lie within the boundary of more than one authority.
County: Kent
District: Dover (District Authority)
Parish: Shepherdswell with Coldred
National Grid Reference: TR 27440 47594
so I think Lutonman can claim this as "Shepherdswell with Coldred" is it's official parish.
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Excellent historical information CAT, as always. thank you
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That is their modern conjoined name MartinR, but prior to there joining they were both two separate parishes in their own right each with an historic parish church. The one for Shepherdswell, or Sibertswold to give its its other name, is dedicated to St Andrew whilst Colderd is dedicated to St Pancras. It is interesting to note that the main focus of Coldred village today is closer to the line of the A2, whilst the church sits about a mile to the north. This may suggest the church has its origins as a manorial chapel associated with a manor house, or Court Lodge.
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I notice that there is a preserved winding house to the South East of this church and a curving rail line that circumnavigates the church and connects with the East Kent Light Railway at Eythorne. Which colliery would that have been?
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Guildford colliery. Thanks for the photo, I'd been trying to work out what the crescent shaped structure was, particularly since it is quite an embankment where is crosses Little Haynes (thanks GSV). I'd even wondered if it was associated with the earthworks around the church, but clearly is the remains of the spur from Eynesthorpe to the colliery.
http://www.eastkent.freeuk.com/mining/guilford_colliery.htm (http://www.eastkent.freeuk.com/mining/guilford_colliery.htm)
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Sadly, Lutonman it was not St Pancras Church, Shepherdswell, which is actually dedicated to St Andrew, but you were one village out :) . Maybe a confusion as to the location of the church in relation to the village?
I actually took the name from the title of a photo from the web but shortened it to make it simple
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Thank you Martin R
Away from buildings this time then, where do you find this part of a statue? Easily viewable on a street corner.
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Is that a photo of part of the base of Sam Holland's Statue of Chaucer at Canterbury?
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Spot On Grandarog, This was a clue in a Canterbury Treasure trail I did this year. It followed my adventure around Maidstone. Not been to Canterbury for a number of years and its changed a lot.
You can see it here
23 High St - Google Maps (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2798812,1.0786351,3a,31.2y,100.35h,94.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scC82rpw4JvRprwjLvf2ZTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Over to you
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Thanks Lutonman.That was easy for me as my friend Sam Hollands the Sculpture lives in our Village.I have always admired her works which grace many places.
You can all see her work on the link below.
http://www.samholland.co.uk/ (http://www.samholland.co.uk/)
I will put up the next Guess later.
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Here we go .As Remembrance Day is approaching we have a Soldiers grave.Where would you find the resting place of this brave man.
Blurred to make it harder.
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Medway Towns?
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If anyone is interested there's a history of Coldred (2 GTPs previous) in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldred (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldred)
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Not Medway. go East sameish latitude.
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Is this memorial in the entrance of a churchyard?
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Well it's not St Thomas the Apostle, Harty, so would I be right in invoking the "-ish" and assuming the north Kent coast from, say, Reculver to Thanet?
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John Walker, more or less.
MartinR Too Far come back to Swale area.
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Holy Trinity Church, Kemsley ?
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I didn't think Kemsley had a church, I can't find one on GSV. Are you thinking of Milton Regis?
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I didn't think Kemsley had a church, I can't find one on GSV. Are you thinking of Milton Regis?
Yes - misread the map :D
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Not Kemsley or Milton head south ish.
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That's OK John, I lived in Milton for about 10 years and used to cycle up to Kemsley when taking a turn as guard on the SKLR.
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I think this is it. It looks like it on the right of the church path?
St John the Baptist Church graveyard in Bredgar, Sittingbourne. It commemorates Private Ashley Goatham.
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Didn't take you long John Walker.Another brave Soldier of the Empire.Lots of interest about him on here.
https://www.anglozuluwar.com/images/Journal_8/J8d_Pte_A_Goatham_Letters_from_Zululand.pdf
Next please. :)
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Thanks Grandarog. Great follow up information and very moving. Makes me realise how lucky I have been not to have been caught up in any conflict.
Next one ... An ex-pub
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Rural and near a station.
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Railway tunnel about 1km down the line.
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There might be a tunnel under this pub.
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Wrong place,
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Wrong place,
Not there :)
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The nearby station is on a heritage line that I believe is still connected to the mainline at one end.
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Shepherdswell On the East Kent Railway?
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Shepherdswell On the East Kent Railway?
Right railway. Now to find the lost pub.
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The White Horse at Eythorne.........
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The White Horse
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The White Horse
You've got it Beachbum. The possible tunnel under or near the pub clue would have been from the nearby coal mine. I don't think the main workings went quite that far but there might have been an exploratory tunnel.
Over to you ...
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Thanks JW, I am sure there are so many unknown Tunnels related to the Four Kent Mines.
Where is this one?
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That,s the Entrance to the Castle full of flats above Kingsgate Cliffs at Broadstairs. :)
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You have it grandarog. Kingsgate Castle, Broadstairs....
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Kingsgate Castle....
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Thanks Beachbum.
Next What Pub and Where is it.
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I'll hold fire on this one as I've had a few lately. :)
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Are we back in Canterbury?
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Not Canterbury but is in CT postcode area.
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looks remarkably like The Admiral Lord Owen pub, High Street, Sandwich?
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I hope it does as it is .
http://www.dover-kent.com/Admiral-Owen-Sandwich.html
Well Done Cat over to you.
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Many thanks grandarog, a pub i had frequented in the past, but remember it more from working opposite several years ago.
My next offering I'm presenting two opposing views of this church. Sadly most of the church was demolished in the late nineteenth century, but part of it still survives. Its currently part of a scheme of regeneration and one that I'm presently working. But where?
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Outskirts of Canterbury?
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Afraid not JohnWalker, a little further afield. Not too far from the coast
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Romney Marsh area?
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Not the Romney Marsh shoot999, wrong half of the county, look north
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Hoo Peninsular?
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To far north and west for this one JohnWalker.
This church, was originally at the heart of its settlement, but the industry that formed along the adjacent waterside eventually aided its demise and caused the village centre to move southwards, all with a new church
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Minster Church Sheppey?
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The `old` Murston church, Sittingbourne?
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I think Diapason has found it.Certainly looks right.
http://cka.moon-demon.co.uk/KAR051/KAR051_Murston.htm (http://cka.moon-demon.co.uk/KAR051/KAR051_Murston.htm)
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Sadly not Minster church Lutonman, but Diapason does indeed have it. The church, before the construction of the present Murston church in the late nineteenth century, was called All Saints Church, Murston. As previously mentioned the church was the centre of a typical marsh side village, though antiquarian writers are not very complimentary about it due to the ‘Marsh fever’, which infected men, women and children alike. Prior to the near obliteration of the village nearly all the inhabitants were employed by the brickworks, which took advantage of the natural clay of the area, as well as the creek side wharfs. However, the closure of the brickworks caused the village to move to the south and its medieval church became derelict. Largely demolished, only its former chancel remained as a mortuary chapel to the surrounding churchyard. Having suffered varying uses it is presently undergoing a scheme of restoration with additional artists studios adjacent to help turn it into a community hub once again.
Over to you Diapason
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Marsh fever was of course malaria, which was endemic in southern Britain until well into the 20C.
Malaria may have been introduced into the North Sea Basin in late Antiquity. It has been endemic at least since the 7th century, but its high-days were the Little Ice Age. After 1750 the disease retreated until it disappeared in the 1950s. The hotbeds of malaria were largely restricted to brackish coastal zones, where the mosquito Anopheles atroparvus could thrive. In these zones death-rates were 25-50 pct higher than in inland areas. This was not caused by tropical malaria, but by the prolonged debilitating effect of tertian and quartan fevers. High summer temperatures as well as storm surges were usually followed by an outbreak of malaria.
The impacts of ecological changes are discussed, as well as the effects of widespread malaria on popular health and local culture. In spite of the high death-rates, popular concern with malaria fevers diminished during the 17th and 18th centuries. This was due to a medical fallacy according to which the chronic effects of malaria were diagnosed as 'land-scurvy'. The eradication of malaria in North-Western Europe had more to do with agricultural changes, hydrological measures and rising standards of living than with medical progress.
The rise and fall of malaria took place largely independent of long-term climatic change. Apparently, mean summer temperatures were only partially affected by general tendencies. Detailed analysis on a ten-year level might show more pronounced climatic effects.
from Knottnerus, Otto S: "Malaria Around the North Sea: A Survey": Published in: Gerold Wefer, Wolfgang H. Berger, Karl-Ernst Behre, Eynstein Jansen (ed.), Climatic Development and History of the North Atlantic Realm: Hanse Conference Report. Berlin Heidelberg: Springer-Verlag, 2002, pp. 339-353
https://ottoknot.home.xs4all.nl/werk/Malaria.html
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You may have seen me mention before. My ancestor John Woodruff ,Vicar of Upchurch ,did much to eradicate the problems in the Village caused by Marsh Fever or Marsh Ague as it was known in the 19th century. With moneys from his own pocket he supplied villagers with Medicine which stopped or combated much of the suffering. By the time he died there were hardly any cases being recorded in the Village.
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Although I am not a pub goer, I enjoyed reading about the `Admiral Owen ` in Sandwich. This is an area that I know nothing about, the area between
Ramsgate & Dover I have not visited, except for the residence at `Cliffesend `in the 1930`s ( Sister worked there + Six St. Bernard dogs, they owned )
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You may have seen me mention before. My ancestor John Woodruff ,Vicar of Upchurch ,did much to eradicate the problems in the Village caused by Marsh Fever or Marsh Ague as it was known in the 19th century. With moneys from his own pocket he supplied villagers with Medicine which stopped or combated much of the suffering. By the time he died there were hardly any cases being recorded in the Village.
That's something to be proud of in your family tree Grandarog. So far I've not found any claim to fame in my tree. Nearly all agricultural and mill workers as far back as the 1700s.
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Although I am not a pub goer, I enjoyed reading about the `Admiral Owen ` in Sandwich. This is an area that I know nothing about, the area between
Ramsgate & Dover I have not visited, except for the residence at `Cliffesend `in the 1930`s ( Sister worked there + Six St. Bernard dogs, they owned )
Just the opposite for me Castle261. It's an area I know quite well having close by a few years back. It's the Medway towns that I struggle with.
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Where is this memorial?
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I will give this one a miss.To easy for me. :)
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Medway Towns area ?
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I see that one of the names is a Neame. Could this be Faversham area?
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Ospringe?
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Yes! Ospringe it is, I didn`t spot "Neame" on the memorial.
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Centre column, third up from the bottom.
I assume that it is in the churchyard of St Peter and St Paul's Church? If so the location is ME13 8XS, TR 00024 60317 or 51°18'25" N 000°52'06"E.
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Some of the other names on the memorial are also ones that pop up during my ancestry searches so local(ish) and found it second memorial - there's lucky. Not found my ancestral link to royalty - yet!
This GTP you get two photos, one of each end of a gated, private road. It leads towards a rather grand house, but both ends are onto public roads, well lanes really.
Central, twixt M2 & M20.
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A few miles inland from Dover/Deal ?
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Is the "rather grand house" still used as a private house?
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More than a "few" miles inland JW.
MartinR - On the death of its last owner the estate(s) are now owned by a charitable trust that he had set up, but the house is still a private residence - but I've yet to find out for whom.
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Runs (sort of) east west.
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Ashford area?
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A bit further west still JW
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The estate has current (suspended for Covid) as well as previous educational use at an adjacent site.
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Chilston Park area?
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JW, you forgot that it is between M2 and M20, the house at Chilston is just south of M20.
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I completely missed that clue 🙄
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I'le guess it's Belmont House. Throwley.
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Now I've read the clues properly :D Otterden Place, Throwley ?
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Otterden it is!
They conduct lots of educational days for children. In the 1930s there was a school for refugee Jewish children at nearby Bunce Court.
I hope to establish a connection to various people in the 1700s from the then parish based around the estate church of St Lawrence, now a private chapel.
A very historic and deeply interesting place.
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Good info JohnFilmer. Good luck with your searching.
Next one.
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Lots of glass, is it for the view, or light to work?
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So far, I haven't found a lot of its earlier history but I can say that the windows are unlikely to have been for the view. Village location.
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On the side of a previously busy 'A' road that has been by-passed.
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Looks to be the old Garden Hotel, 167-169 Boughton Street. Grade 2 listed. I found a tantalising Frith Photo with indecipherable writing on the side weatherboarding.
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I wondered if the Garden Hotel was licensed, and if so was it on a dead pubs database. Afraid not.
However, the George, across the road and towards Canterbury has a 1910 photo that has "File & Sons" just about visible on the side of "our" building.
1881 Census has a William File (51) and his two sons Edwin (22) and William (20) as Grocers and Drapers. William snr died 29th March 1882, Probate was for £1452-11s-10d. The two brothers are still grocers and drapers in 1891, with adjacent households.
William is on the 1911 Census, still a grocer and draper, but Edwin disappears, reappearing in the 1939 Register in Folkestone as a retired Grocer. He died on 6th Feb 1947, leaving probate at £17440-18s-11d.
The problem for all such Census returns is that no house numbers were in use, and very few houses named. Some times a pub can be a useful reference to count properties between it and your target, but we do not know if the emunerator actually went along one side then back, or just dodged to and fro so it becomes guess work.
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You have it JohnFilmer. Interesting information. You found more about it than I managed. Still not sure why the multiple windows are there on the first floor though. I wonder if it doubled up as a greenhouse to start off crops for their business?
Over to you ...
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The listing for the old hotel says C17 cottage with C19 shop. It also says that the interior was of an early C19 shop. With the drapery connection, could it have been built as a workroom needle work of all sorts requires good light?
Anyway, back at the quiz...
Another one of my old maps, a 25inch OS from 1908. But where?
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I suspect you are right John, the windows would be for needlework. I've seen similar upper stories which were weavers' cottages for the same reason. The windows are north facing, so the light is more even and better for working with compared to direct glaring sunshine.
Just in case anyone is looking: ME13 9BH - TR 05690 59420 - 51°17'48"N 0°56'56"E
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The railway was marked as South Eastern and Chatham, SE&CR, or as my grand father put it - Slow, Easy & Comfortable - but I suspect he was not a frequent user!
The Vicarage and Church Farm both pre-date the railway, which cuts between them and the Church.
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The only 25 inch OS maps I have found have the railways marked with Dover added on the end so not sure if mine will match the location. Are we on the Ashford-Tonbridge line somewhere?
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Nls maps is the site to go to JW. I can spend hours just looking and watching places evolve over time.
You are on the right lines (sorry...) it is the Ashford,Paddock Wood etc line.
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I'll second that JF. Playing with the slider and watching how hundred+ year old property boundaries and features translate into modern developments and crop markings is an absolute timewaster of the best sort.
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Maidstone Road, Marden ? I enjoy your map GTPs JohnFilmer. Like you and MartinR, I also enjoy searching these maps and using the slider. How Kent has built up over the years. Hardly the Garden of England now.
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It is Maidstone Road, Marden.
My wife knew the occupants of Church Farm from when she and the lady of the house worked for Segas. In 1981 a good friend gave me a hand, with his Standard Atlas pick up (!) to move a pair of large, very heavy, thick gauge galvanised feed bins from their barn to our feed and tack room that we made in an old building at home. They were about 5ft long overall, 3ft tall at the front, the hinged lids sloping back and upwards, with a heavy duty hasp ready to take a padlock on both lids. Dodgy place Marden when you have to lock up your pig feed!
A couple of years later and my boss had bought the barns and redeveloped them into high end housing.
About 10years ago I did a preliminary survey at The Old Vicarage for a new owner. Very interesting with lots of original features, but a lot of 1960s “improvements” needed removing. An extensive basement had a self contained flat in part of it. The roof space was huge and where I proposed siting the boilers, unvented water cylinder and the controls including for extensive solar. I had retired before he went ahead. It was a wonderful money pit!
Back to you JW
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There are three listed buildings in the area shown: Church Farm House (grade II), the oasthouse behind it (grade II) and the Old Vicarage (also grade II). Their entries on the Heritage list are at: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060669 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060669) https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1025875 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1025875) and https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060670 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060670) respectively. Evidently the Old Vicarage used to be three stories, but in the 1960s changes was reduced to two.
The location of the Old Vicarage is: TN12 9GQ - TQ 74727 44800 - 51°10'33"N 0°29'54"E
If you want the NLS 25" map of the area superimposed on today's satellite image, go to http://https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.17637&lon=0.50021&layers=168&b=1 (http://https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.17637&lon=0.50021&layers=168&b=1)
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Right, here we go - next one folks.
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For a minute there I thought it was the Calor Gas Shop by Castle Road Sittingbourne Eurolink. :) :) :)
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New I had seen it somewhere. It is all that is left of the old Dover Harbour Railway Station.
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That was quick Grandarog :)
It's since been a gym and a live music venue - not sure which it is currently.
Over to you ...
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Spent a day driving around Folkestone and Dover with a mate looking at all the historical bits we could find before Covid struck.Thats how I remembered the Chimney like tower.
Next one where was or what was house called .Long since demolished. Swale area.
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I’ll pass this one, unfair advantage :)
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Woodstock Park? Approximately on the opposite side of the road to the Science Park.
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Woodstock Manor. Derelict since before WW2,.As kids we all played in and around the house and Park.
Civil Defence used it for training after the War .All the floors were knocked out in the south wing (which is the photo..) for rescue practice.
Your turn Diapason.
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From Hastead's History, volume 6: Tunstall
PITSTOCK, usually called Pistock, is a small manor, situated in the south east part of this parish[Tunstall], adjoining to Rodmersham, which name has been for some years changed to that of Woodstock, by the present owner of it, as being of a more genteel sound.
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Does anyone remember this church which was demolished by Hitler?
It was rebuilt in exactly the same position soon after WW2 ended.
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Ramsgate? Was it rebuilt in the same style?
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I was not old enough to remember it, but I know where it was, I'le Pass.
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Not Ramsgate, JW and the style is total different. Swale area.
[size=0px]Granderog - I wish I could say the same.[/size][size=78%]
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Struggling with this one - little to go on despite numerous searches. Sittingbourne ?
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Yes! Sittingbourne.
Shouldn`t be too difficult to find now.
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Quick guess. The Methodist Church?
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I don`t know how you do it, JW !!
My Mum and Dad were married there and I was christened there.
Over to you.
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I don`t know how you do it, JW !!
My Mum and Dad were married there and I was christened there.
Over to you.
I don't get out much ;D ;D ;D . I must admit that I really enjoy the hunt and learn quite a bit along the way. It was the only church I could find in Sittingbourne that didn't look ancient.
Next one. Can be seen on GSV.
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The business that is was the office for closed some years back. The business had been in existence for around 200 years.
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Canterbury?
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Canterbury?
Yes - it's Canterbury. Should be fairly easy now :)
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The product was very prestigious.
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A Scottish comedian might help you.
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It looks as though the office for Connolly Leather has morphed into The Old Rectory, just off Stour Street. "Interesting" brick courses!
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You have it JohnFilmer. The office for St Mildred's Tannery. Not sure why it's now been re-named The Old Rectory. Perhaps it was previously the rectory for the nearby St Mildred's Church.
The whole of Canterbury would share the rather unpleasant aroma from the tannery right through to the 70s. My father worked there after the war. I always knew when he had arrived home. The aroma must have got into his skin. I didn't bother me though. It was just Dad. It was good when he later got a job at Lucas CAV in Rochester. He didn't smell of dead cows anymore.
The whole area of the tannery is now residential.
History of the tannery in this link.
http://www.canterbury-archaeology.org.uk/tannery/4590809563 (http://www.canterbury-archaeology.org.uk/tannery/4590809563)
Over to you ...
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Found it at last! It's in Clearwater Mews. I see what you mean about the brick courses, but I think that's just Google stitching photos together. The link JW posted shows rather more rational brickwork, click on photo 7 to enlarge it. For anyone trying to find it, and who needs a bit more help than "just off Stour Street", I've dug out the following locators:
- Address: 47 Stour Street CT1 2LZ (but note that on GSV you need to go into the Mews).
- Grid ref: TR 14599 57625
- WGS84: 51°16'38"N 001°04'32"E
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Martin, I'm pleased that the brickwork isn't as Google would have you believe! The camera never lies...
I'm a bit short of suitable photos and still cannot take streetview screenshots. However I remembered this from my Ancestry research, suitably doctored to remove the blindingly obvious clues - sorry I can't draw straight lines with a mouse, or blend colours.
Some one may get this straight away, or not. It does not look like this now, this was 1910.
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Rochester?
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Maybe too obvious, but "Ash's Canterbury Ales and Stout" - would we be in Canterbury or its environs?
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Ash's supplied around 70 pubs mainly in the North Eastern corner of Kent. Would that be the right area to search?
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We are indeed in Canterbury...
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This one threw me but the architecture of the pub rang a bell. I think I have it now - The Royal Exchange, Stour Street. Just along the road from my tannery offices GTP.
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Sorry JW, I just couldn’t resist it :)
It is indeed 42 Stour Street, as it was in 1910. The right hand side of the building was demolished in about 1915 to enlarge access to St Edmunds road alongside. The black and white to the left is the Royal Exchange.
My great great grandfather, a saddler, moved to Butchery Lane, Canterbury in late 1850s. His eldest son followed him as a saddler, living and working at Chilham. His younger son became a baker, working for the James family business in Castle Street, Canterbury. Swains were also related to the James’s by marriage. Many of his sons also became bakers, including my grandfather. They were in Canada, South Africa and New Zealand.
Over to you.
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When I first saw the photo, I thought Rochester for some obscure reason.
Interesting family history in Canterbury. My ex-wife's aunt was related to the Canterbury Swain family. I seem to remember there was talk of a murder at some point.
Next one - Find the font ...
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SW of mid Kent
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Nice pub/hotel next door
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Nice views
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A real guess as I can’t see a picture of the font, Goudhurst?
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A real guess as I can’t see a picture of the font, Goudhurst?
St Mary's Goudhurst it is JohnFilmer - good guess.
Back to you :)
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Well that was a surprise...
Over 20 years ago, we went to Bedgebury to collect a pig hut (as you do), the things that look like shrunken Nissen Huts. Borrowed twin axle flat bed trailer that was wider than our Land Rover Defender 110. Trundled a fair way up an unmade track to a couple of houses only to find that the hut was still in the woods. Much entertainment reversing the combo in (my wife did that, she drives better backwards ::) ) and strapping the hut down, then a simple matter of driving back home.
We came up by the pond in Goudhurst, turned right and then I had to negotiate the narrow bit around the church with its double right angle bends. Not for the faint hearted :o
Had a bit of trouble finding a quick bit of map, as every good idea that I had, the map gave away too much information, or that was too easily googled. So its a bit small, from 1908 25inch OS, Nls maps again.
North Kent
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Springhead, Gravesend area?
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Too far west
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Near the river Beult ?
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Nearer the coast JW. North of A2.
There’s a church off to the south east of the map.
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Nearer the coast JW. North of A2.
There’s a church off to the south east of the map.
I found one at Newington earlier but my map showed similar but different to yours. All my maps have water features coloured blue so I discounted it.
So my guess is Newington.
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It is the old watercress beds at Newington. Well done JW.
Over to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer.
Out of interest, which of the NLS maps are you using? I don't seem to have the same map as you use in the drop-down selection.
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I was simply using the OS maps selection. Some of the earlier ones had blue on water courses, but that one was selected because it had fewer identifiable features. I cut off Bog Farm as that was easily found through Google.
That was a 25 inch to the mile search within the drop down options.
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I was simply using the OS maps selection. Some of the earlier ones had blue on water courses, but that one was selected because it had fewer identifiable features. I cut off Bog Farm as that was easily found through Google.
That was a 25 inch to the mile search within the drop down options.
Thanks JohnFilmer
Next one - another lost pub.
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Worringly I recognised it immediately, even though I lived a couple of miles up the road nearly 50 years ago. Also as a bunch of 20 somethings it was between us and the off licence so it was driven past a lot 8)
So I'll pass and let someone else have a crack at it.
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Now a restaurant in a medium-size village - north west of Maidstone.
On a fairly busy 'A' road that runs North/South. Station about 1/2 Km away.
This earlier photo might help as the thread seems to have stalled.
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I remember the watercress beds in Newington. Our school was evacuated there in - 1939.
We lived in Church Lane, the watercress beds were on the same `lane` to Upchurch.
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We seem to have come to a halt so another clue - a subtle one. A Macdonalds sign might help.
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The original name of the pub is now an illegal combination ....
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Are we in Meopham somewhere?
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Are we in Meopham somewhere?
Sure are MartinR - very hot now.
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With that clue it has to be the Fox and Hounds. Hook Green. :) Currently Bartellos restaurant.
The second and third old images are also credited as F&H Hook Green Meopham Apparently Rebuilt 1924
[/size]“The Fox and Hounds”, first mentioned in 1836, with the present building built in 1924, now called "Bartellas", and is a licensed restaurant.[/color]
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Now called "Bartellas"
- Grid ref: TQ 64335 67290
- Post Code: DA13 0JG
- WGS84: 51°22'51"N, 000°21'36"E
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You were so close MartinR (thanks for the coordinates) but Grandarog has pipped you to the post.
Over to you Grandarog.
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Don't worry John I was waiting for someone to get it before posting the coordinates.
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Sorry Martin,the clue gave it away. Thanks for putting the coordinates up. :)
Thanks John Walker here,s my next ,should go quickly.
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Plinth for a statue?
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No definitely not. :'(
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Stand for taking a salute?
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No .
1st Clue ............ Industrial.
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This one should go with a bang...
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Part of a gunpowder works?
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Oare
Oarehttps://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5784276 (https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5784276)
I delayed calling it until I sorted something out to carry the game on. I am getting short of GTP material.
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You have it Local Hiker,over to you. :)
Does anyone know exactly what the bases were for?
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They are the bases of the incorporating mills according to the link that Local Hiker gave. This is mill at the Hagley gunpowder mill. I believe that British practice was to use stone runners, not cast iron, but it gives the general view.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Hagley_Mill_Equipment.jpg)
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Thanks MartinR. I didn't know what an "incorporating" mill was ,that,s why I asked.
Each millstone weighed approximately 3 tons and the ingredients of sulphur, charcoal and saltpetre were milled for up to 5 hours, in batches of 50 lbs. The incorporated mixture was known as millcake.
I think that sulphur ,charcoal and saltpeter equals basic Gunpowder.
Cast iron sounds a bit dodgy with Gunpowder involved. ::) ???
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Yes, your mixture is basically correct: roughly 75% KNO₃ with the remainder charcoal and sulphur. Charcoal was usually in excess but compositions vary. Blasting powder for mining and quarrying has less nitrate. Sodium nitrate can be used and is as powerful, but is hygroscopic and therefore deteriorates faster unless kept sealed. However, du Pont manufactured a low-sodium nitrate form where the grains were coated in charcoal yto keep them dry, this was only for quarrying.
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Fascinating stuff everyone. Going to dig my chemistry set out ;D
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Thanks grandarog.
I went there a couple of years ago, the week after it shut for winter, and after heavy rain. There was no cafe, no toilets, lots of mud and mulched leaf litter, and flooding on the paths. It is definitely worth a visit, but I shall return one summer on a hot dry day!
Next GTP, an autumn walk back in 2016.
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Hoo?
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Hoo identifies the correct part of Kent, so is heading in the right direction.
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Funnily enough I know exactly where Local Hiker was Walking.
I will pass for a while,hopefully some one else from the 180 members will join in with a guess. :)
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Oooooh this looks familiar, Shornemead Fort by any chance?
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stuartwaters, you have the chair.
I used to cycle there from Gillingham as a young teenager.
It is a pleasant walk as an older adult, made easier now that the level crossing at Hoo Junction has been opened.
The alternative route, parking in Canal Road and walking along the Thames Medway Canal for a bit, was interesting but a tad long for my legs.
Being up close and personal with the ships going in and out of Tilbury is interesting too, but too far west for the giants using London Gateway.
Over to you...
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Thank you, it's not often I get one of these places.
What and where is this and for an additional House Point, where did I take the photo from?
(https://i.imgur.com/9TWAVDp.jpg)
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Lympne Castle?
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I'm pretty sure Beachbum has it right. Taken near Lone Barn, Lower Wall Road, Hythe? Not sure what the object in the front of the pic is. Looks like something on a water treatment plant?
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Darn it, I thought that would have lasted longer. On the right tracks John Walker, it was actually taken from Dymchurch Sewage Works.
Tucked well out of the way, Dymchurch Works is really only visible from the RH&DR which runs close by.
Beachbum has it....
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Is it worth mentioning that Lympne Castle is the medieval and later one on the hillside to the right, whilst Stutfall Castle is the Roman Shore Fort wall remains to the lower left (the sinuous broken pale line on the sloping hillside).
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Or to give it its proper Roman name 'Portus Lemanis' :)
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Lympne Castle:
- Grid: TR 11921 34668
- Post Code: CT21 4LQ
- WGS83: 51°04'20"N, 001°01'25"E
Stutfall Castle / Lamanis Saxon Shore Fort:- Grid: TR 11751 34248
- Post Code: CT21 4LQ
- WGS84: 51°04'07"N, 001°01'16"E
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Good evening all.
The Sewage works had me stumped and could not locate.
So another Building for you?
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Sheerness ?
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Not Sheerness JW, wrong area of Kent.
Coastal
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Thanet ?
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Former Ramsgate Gas Works?
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Spot on Diapason.
The Former Gas Works Office in Boundary Road, Ramsgate. It has been derelict for years.
Being a Grade 2 listed Building, it remains after the whole gasworks site was cleared for development.
It will have the ugly 1960's extensions removed and turned into Apartments.
A new ALDI store is about to open on the site of the Gas Holders (11 metres deep).
Over to you.............
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- Listing record: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1085429 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1085429)
- Grid: TR 38335 65457 (from EH listing)
- Post code: CT11 7NE
- WGS84: 51°20'18"N, 001°25'14"E
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This building still stands, but far removed from butchery.
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Medway Towns area?
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Maybe Butchery Row, Canterbury?
Did I dream a question about a chapel?
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Neither Canterbury nor Medway
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Dartford ?
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Sittingbourne?
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Wrotham?
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Lutonman - you are as near as `dammit`
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Is it Fred Browns of Bapchild's Shop now a Private House.
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Wrong end of the town, granderog.
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Now the MiniMart General Store, Nr Chalkwell, Sittingbourne ?
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You are nearly there, John and in the correct area. Only about 5 minutes ride by `bike`.
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Milton High Street? Numbers 50 ,63,70,87.???? Were all Butchers shops in 1901 .
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Time for a clue!
Originally this building had a connection with the church of St. Bartholomew, Bobbing.
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Time for a clue!
Originally this building had a connection with the church of St. Bartholomew, Bobbing.
Derelict shop - 58 High Street, Newington ? Can't find a connection with the church though.
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Not Newington - Come back to the Sittingbourne area and nearer the railway line.
I can see the resemblance with the derelict Newington shop, which I hadn`t noticed before.
Don`t take too much notice of the connection with Bobbing church as the connection is with a former Vicar not the building and not generally known.
granderog is the nearest so far but it`s not in Milton High street.
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Cross Lane, Milton ?
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Chalkwell road Sittingbourne?
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Neither Chalkwell Road nor Cross Lane but definitely Milton Regis and north of the railway and the A2.
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Bridge Road Milton ,which disappeared years ago ?
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Are the two wooden pillars still visible?
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Ah at last .Think it is Colwins Motor Bike shop ,Corner of Milton Road /Mill Way.
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At some time in the 19th century, this building was three cottages, one an alehouse, all owned owned by the vicar of Bobbing, the Rev. Simpson. There is a vast cellar beneath this building.
Later, the Co-op converted it to a grocery store which eventually became a printing works followed by Colwin`s Motorcycles.
Over to you granderog!
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Thank you Diapason. :)
I was born and bred in Sittingbourne and never knew any of the history of Colwins . Driven by thousands of times over the years ,never associated it with being 3 dwellings.
Will sort something for this evening.
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Where did I come across these rather spartan and uninspiring gates ? :-\
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Are you inside the property looking out, or is this a gated community?
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Taken from the road looking into the property.
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Medical Centre ?
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Gated private residence/s. :)
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Quick guess - Upchurch area ?
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Bit further afield .head slightly West of due South.
The current weather might give you a clue.
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Ace High Close between Friningham and Hucking?
51.296386063109914, 0.6131070816953773
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You have it JohnWalker .On Coldblow Lane.
That was only the first clue. :)
Housing development, Named after WW2 RAF Coldblow Lane ,Later the NATO Ace High Station during the Cold War
Over to you.
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Thanks Grandarog, Your clue certainly helped. It still took a bit of finding though.
Next one .... Shouldn't prove difficult.
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C of E?
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C of E?
The Church has always maintained a Catholic tradition, firmly anchored in the Anglican Church.
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I believe I have seen this church in Margate or Ramsgate when out on a scenic drive around the area a few years ago. We were on the way home from a visit to Walmer Castle and Deal.
As I don't know where or anything about it
I will concede the guess if some one else can pinpoint and name it. :)
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Holy Trinity, Ramsgate?
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Holy Trinity, Ramsgate?
You have it Diapason :)
https://holytrinitychurchramsgate.com/ (https://holytrinitychurchramsgate.com/)
Over to you ....
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For Information:
- Grid: TR 38668 65332
- Code: CT11 8DL
- WGS84: 51°20'13"N, 001°25'30"E
- 51.336948,1.425249
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My next "offering" - the laughing woman of St. ....... ?
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This was done recently?
Reply #5500 on: October 24, 2021, 07:12:36 PM
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Apologies for the repetition. I think age is creeping up on me.
How about this one? Where will you find this organ?
For some reason it will not `turn`.
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It does "turn" when you click on it to enlarge it. The reason is that you have used a display package to rotate it 270° clockwise. Such packages, unlike true photo editors, do not actually rotate the image, they just set the value in the "EXIF" data. Subsequent display software should take note of this, but thumbnails usually don't. In your case I can see (in amongst 103 lines of data):
Date/Time Original : 2019:04:18 11:11:11
Make : NIKON
Camera Model Name : COOLPIX L810
Orientation : Rotate 270 CW
Nice camera by the way.
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Is this in a church as it appears?
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Yes it is. ME postcode.
Thanks for the info. MartinR.
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Not found it yet. The organ in St Peter and St Paul. Appledore looks of similar design but I can't find a connection.
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The nearest I can find is Bobbing, which is similar, but does not Match Diapasons Pic.☺
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Not St. Bartholomew, Bobbing, which is my avatar, granderog. Wrong end of Sittingbourne.
John Walker - It`s very rare to find two identical pipe organs.
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John Walker - It`s very rare to find two identical pipe organs.
Here's the Appledore church organ - very similar at a quick glance and then I saw the obvious differences :D .
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A church in Faversham?
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John Walker ,Im'e struggling with this one ,I have run out of churchs in ME10 East of Sittingbourne..
Faversham is ME 13 not ME10 thats next area to search.
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Many of the churches I've searched don't seem to have photos of the organ. Plenty of naves, altars, and fonts though. ;D St Peter's Church, Oare ?
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Not Oare, John.
I`ve made another error - I didn`t check the post code ME9 NOT ME10.
Definitely not Faversham but only a few miles away. The name of this church is often mis-spelt.
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I stuck "ME9" into Google Maps just to see if it would highlight the correct area, and it does! What amused me though was that it solemnly draws the boundary up one side of Conyer Creek and down the other, then goes mad out around Stangate and Halstow Creeks. It excludes Deadmen's Island, but then I suppose not many letters are delivered there!
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St Catherine's Church, Kingsdown, Kent ?
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Hope you are right John Walker .
I had considered Kingsdown but there doesn't appear to be any photos of it', Organ.
There isn't any mention of an Organ in any of the historical articles I have found, so I discounted the Church.
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There isn`t a pipe organ at St. Catherine`s, Kingsdown, only a reed organ in a dreadful state. I believe there is also an old harmonium.
The church in question is very close to the A2.
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A bit of a shot in the dark, as I can’t find decent interior photos, but how about St Laurence at Bapchild?
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Your shot in the dark`s a bullseye, John.
Sometimes wrongly spelled "Lawrence".
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Well Done .i went straight for Bapchild when Diapason said "Wrong end of Sittingbourne" for my Bobbing Guess.
I was misled and discounted Bapchild by not reading the caption properly on Google images for St Laurence.
The Image on there is for another Church not Bapchild. :)
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Well that was a lucky shot :D It was the possible Laurence/Lawrence confusion that satisfied the clue, but I still couldn't find a photo of the organ.
I found this photo while looking for ancestry information. You may have seen it before as I have since seen it elsewhere on t'internet.
The House in the foreground has gone, but the row of cottages still stand - fairly distinctive. The title and signpost were a bit of a giveaway, and the publisher's name a local one, so all (clumsily) removed.
Between A2 and A20
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Quick guess - Hartlip ?
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Not Hartlip JW. Further south east (ish).
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Stockbury Village street?
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Much further SE Grandarog
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Lynsted Lane?
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South of M2 Diapason. The village still has a pub, church and school.
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Bredgar?
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I think it might be Eastling but the buildings that have replaced the first one on the right look equally old.
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JW pipped me to the post. This is what I wrote.
Not Bredgar Lutonman.
The lane to the right of the photo is named for the village to which it leads in about a mile or so.
The pub is just out of sight on the right of the Street ahead. There is a lovely old house almost opposite the pub, at the top of the hill leading to the church and school.
This part of The Street is pretty much one sided.
And yes, it is Eastling, from the top of Newnham Lane. Well done JW, over to you.
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The picture is one of a series, I have seen three, this one, one taken looking down the top of Newnham Lane, and one looking back from further up the street. From memory (I can't quickly find the others) the usual suspects, children, are in all three.
The publisher was Doughty, the shopkeeper just near the Carpenters Arms. A well known local name as Doughty is the name of the renowned butchers in Doddington, although I understand that the owners retired in October it continues to thrive under new ownership.
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Had a bit of luck there and ended up in Eastling after only a couple of searches. Thanks for the additional info JohnFilmer.
Next one.
Where will you find this ornate door?
Still exists.
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I was searching for "The Street", I see that it's been renamed "Eastling Road"!
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Hundreds of people walk past that door probably every day. Until a few years back, a lot of them would have entered that doorway.
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Somewhere in Canterbury??
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MartinR, Google has renamed The Street, but the locals haven’t! I have found this happens quite often where sections of roads change their name for relatively short distances, especially in rural areas.
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Somewhere in Canterbury??
Not Canterbury Grandarog. Nearer the coast.
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Water about 200 mtrs away and more about 1km away.
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Customs House at port?
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Customs House at port?
Not a port JohnFilmer.
Clue: A street near the coast. The door can be seen on GSV.
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I believe its a police station, JW. The crossed glazing bars above being the clue. Its not Ramsgate but I cannot pin it down, so I throw the clue in to help others.
DTT
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I believe its a police station, JW. The crossed glazing bars above being the clue. Its not Ramsgate but I cannot pin it down, so I throw the clue in to help others.
DTT
I can understand your thinking DTT but unfortunately not a police station. I don't think this building was ever a police station as there is a building not far away that was the old police station. The side street beside this building has the same name as the purpose of this building.
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A bank/Bank Street?
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A bank/Bank Street?
Red Hot ! MartinR :D
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Clue to locate the town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVoPG9HtYF8&t=30s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVoPG9HtYF8&t=30s)
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Gravesend?
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Queenborough. Isle of Sheppey ?
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Grandarog and Beachbum. Good thinking both, but not the right locations.
Further clue. There is a railway terminus here.
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There used to be a large brewery close to this building.
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Wrong place.
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Wrong place.
Correct :)
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A well-known alcoholic beverage was made in this town. It was later brewed by a large company. The brewery has since been demolished. The building that was the office for this brewery is in the same street as my door photo.
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Margate?
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Margate?
Not Margate Lutonman. It did have a brewery but not a terminus station.
The bones is a good clue to the town.
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Using the iPad I can only get an obtuse view, but is it Lloyd’s Bank Hythe?
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Image of Lloyds Hythe (as johnfilmer suggests)
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Couple more One with Doors open when it was still in use and Doors shut after it had shut down.
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Grandarog - you have it. (I was running out of clues)
The clues:
Bones: The vast collection of ancient skulls etc in the nearby St Leonards Church.
Water: The Royal Military Canal and the sea.
Railway Terminus: Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway Station
Brewery: Mackesons
Over to you ......
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Derr ,Not me . johnfilmer got the place first. I just added photos as did Beachbum.
Over to You johnfilmer ,Next Please. :) :)
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- Grid: TR 16057 34738
- Post code: CT21 5JG
- WGS84: 51°04'17"N 001°04'57"E
In case anyone is interested.
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Derr ,Not me . johnfilmer got the place first. I just added photos as did Beachbum.
Over to You johnfilmer ,Next Please. :) :)
Apologies JohnFilmer. I was viewing it on my mobile and missed your post. So, as Grandarog says - over to you. :)
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Sorry for delay peoples, need to use laptop for photos, here now...
This once derelict building is now refurbished. It played a significant part in social history.
Mid kent, on an ancient road.
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Maidstone ?
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It is Maidstone JW.
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Is it the building that is now Morlings Solicitors in King Street?
Possibly a previous police station going by your social history clue.
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Not King Street, wrong road.
The name of the road has a hint as to its origins.
Police connection is correct.
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I'm thinking perhaps Stone Street then. Not available on GSV but the Stone Street Club has similar windows ?
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Definitely on the right “track” on Stone Street, wrong building.
It is very clear on GSV.
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At the start of Upper Stone Street near a complex named Wren's Cross? The building at the front is much changed but the building in the background looks similar.
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The building is Wrens Cross, HQ of Kent Police from 1857 to 1940, situated at the bottom of Stone Street (old paved Roman Road) and knight rider street.
Over to you, JW
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The photo and brief detail was taken from the book that marked the Kent Police centenary in 1957.
My father was a sergeant in the Specials at the time. In the back of the book are listed every serving police officer, the main force alphabetically, and the Specials by station.
So if anyone wants any info that could be in those lists, just ask.
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Thanks for the info John, I've wondered what the building was since it had obviously seen better days. If you look at it on GSV the views seem to step forward during the restoration as you go up the hill! Best view is https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2700922,0.5257407,3a,75y,283.3h,80.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stHDJHUOmJrZFyaE2Jeyz7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2700922,0.5257407,3a,75y,283.3h,80.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stHDJHUOmJrZFyaE2Jeyz7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) With John's location guide I doubt that any grid refs/lat&long are needed.
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Thanks JohnFilmer. For some reason, once I saw your mid-Kent clue etc, I thought of Maidstone. Still took some finding though.
Next one .... Could be a quick one.
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Roman?
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Roman?
Yes, Roman :)
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Bit of Richborough Castle Wall?
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Bit of Richborough Castle Wall?
Not there Grandarog.
Can be seen on GSV but too far in the distance to be of any help.
Water nearby.
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Not far from another castle.
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I wish all members a Happy Xmas, and a better new 2022.
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Thank you Castle261. The same to you.
Next clue. From this location you can see the sea.
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Elephants and Castle close by.
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Stutfall Castle, near to Lympne Castle at Port Lympne Reserve?
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Well done BeachBum - it is indeed Stutfall Castle.
http://www.everycastle.com/Stutfall-Castle.html (http://www.everycastle.com/Stutfall-Castle.html)
Over to you ...
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Thanks JW. I remembered cycling along the canal and seeing the Ruin.
A statue for the next location?
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I thought it looked familiar, see http://https://kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=30.msg10560#msg10560 (http://https://kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=30.msg10560#msg10560) and the few messages above and below.
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I thought it looked familiar, see http://https://kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=30.msg10560#msg10560 (http://https://kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=30.msg10560#msg10560) and the few messages above and below.
I can't get your link to work MartinR.
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Sorry, the forum added an extraneous "http://" in front of the real "https://". Try https://kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=30.msg10560#msg10560 (https://kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=30.msg10560#msg10560)
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That looks like something we might find in the grounds of Hever Castle...
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Is it the top of a fountain?
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Yes it is on top of a Fountain MartinR
Not Hever Castle stuartwaters
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Is that the one in a Park at Tunbridge Wells?
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Not in Tunbridge Wells grandarog.
Go East
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Is this fountain in a garden open to the public at times?
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Indeed it is JW. Constructed in the late 1890's
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National Trust?
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Got the wrong Park first time .New I had seen it.
Dane Park at Margate. Lot of info here from Bob Speel's site.
In Dane Park, the most central of Margate’s parks, is a grand fountain, typical seaside town architecture, a cast iron structure from the 1890s. It was put up, says the little sign next to it, in memory of John Woodward, who gave the land for the park to Margate and further land to pay for its upkeep. The fountain has at the top our third Margate statue, a standing girl in long Classical robes, holding up a lilly in one hand, from which water presumably once gushed. Her other arm, modestly across her upper body, appears to be holding up one edge of her gown which has slipped off the raised shoulder. She wears upon her head a wreath of olives. Below, a small shelly bowl, then a column to the larger bowl beneath, with around the central shaft four herons, little wings raised, beaks against their breasts, standing among low reeds and waterlilies. The lower bowl, which has a a decorated edge of leaves, perhaps oak, and corrugated, is on a broader shaft which widens to a drum around which are great fish of classical design, with big eyes, dolphin-like faces, spiky fins and upward coiled tails ending in trefoil tailfins (if you like fish sculpture, [); between these on the central shaft are low relief scenes of fishing cherubs, and beneath, small protruding lion heads. At one time, the water would have splashed down from upper figure via the two bowls to a wide stone basin, but this was filled in during the 1980s to form a flowerbed. A fine piece of late Victorian ironwork.
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Thank goodness it's cast iron or I think the local 'tracksuits' would have destroyed it by now. Such a shame it's not still in water but there's not really an option these days.
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Well done grandarog, it is indeed Dane Park Margate
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Another shot........
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- Grade II listed
- Official listing: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1088955?section=official-listing (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1088955?section=official-listing)
- Grid ref: TR 36044 70666
- Post code: CT9 1RQ
- WGS84: 51°23'09"N, 001°23'28"E
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MartinR. Afraid that I can't receive that www.--" not obtainable".
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Sorry https!
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Sorry for delay. Hope you all had a great Christmas.
Here's the next one.
Name of the Road this sign is beside.
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The road into Faversham from Oare ?
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Not that one John Walker.
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Graveney Road?
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Bysing Wood Road?
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Sorry not Bysing or Graveney. :)
West
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Abbey Fields Road ? Cycle route 1 section
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Not Abbey Fields .
Cycle Route 1 is correct. You need to go Further West
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Brent Hill ?
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no . follow cycle route West
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As far as Oare Gunpowder Works?
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Much further West.
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I've worked along the route to Conyer without luck so far. Usually, signs that say Town Centre are closer in so it threw me. Do I continue beyond Conyer?
(I reckon I could ride that route without a map now 😁)
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JW you are not alone...
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You need to ride about another few kilometers at least further than Conyer, I think.The sign is a bit of a joke
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That would take us into Murston, Sittingbourne or Milton Regis
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Yes Sittingbourne, but where.
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Absolutely cracking Grandarog, found it eventually ::)
Beside the Crown Quay Lane, Eurolink Way roundabout.
How many hundreds of times have I driven past that!
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Well done John Filmer. Bit of a Joke as they amalgamated the Cycle route to Faversham and the Town centre on the same sign .which makes it look like the way to Faversham Town Centre. Caused a few laughs over the years. :)
Over to You for the next one.
"Happy New Year"
to you all. Glad to see the back of 2021.
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Thank goodness that stinker has been solved. :) :) :)
It did seem odd that we were being directed further from Faversham Town Centre. Signs marking Town Centre don't usually appear until the outskirts of a town.
Happy New Year everyone.
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I've cycled past that when I lived in Milton Regis! Never paid much attention to National Cycle routes though, I just used to cycle to get from A to B.
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A bit shy on photos, and still not got to the bottom of my inability to take GSV screenshots.
So... here we have another map clue. 1909 OS 25inch.
A brickworks, lots of clues - well I think so, but then I know where it is ;)
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John Filmer have you tried taking screen shots by "Windows key + shift + S" ?
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Lutonman - all that did was generate a menu, nothing to do with screenshots at all. Most strange if that works for you.
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John all I do is press Print screen. Then open windows paint and Paste in by Ctl - V. If I want to edit I save to Desktop then open in Photos By Right click Open With.
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JohnFilmer - I enjoy your map GTP's. I've found this one in record time (for me).
I'll hold fire to give someone else a chance. :)
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Just a word of caution when telling people how to do things on the computer. Whilst I accept that most people are helping keep poor Bill Gates from penuary, some of us don't use Windows at all unless we can help it! Some people prefer to assist Jobs and Wozniak. Personally (as a self-confessed Yorkshireman) prefer to keep my money where it belongs, in my pocket. :P More seriously, I far prefer Linux to Windows and macOS. Anyhow, this is getting well off GTP so I'll just sign off with best wishes to you all for the New Year.
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As a saddle sore JW recovers from his chase up and down Cycle Route 1, the rest of you may fancy a clue or two...
Obviously on the northern bank of a tidal water. The brickfields are long gone, but the area and it’s link to the water continues.
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Is it Harty Ferry on the Isle of Sheppey?
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Too Far East, DTT
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Lutonman - all that did was generate a menu, nothing to do with screenshots at all. Most strange if that works for you.
It gives you the option to select part of the screen to save, using your cursor. I'll do some screen shots on another topic page
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Very slow, all still recovering?
Clue. Just out of view is a ruin originally built in 1669.
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I'm surprised it hasn't been guessed yet. As JohnFilmer stated - plenty of clues that helped me find it quite quickly.
I'll still hold back for now as I've put quite a few up recently.
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No idea really but as Sittingbourne had so many brickworks & bricks in their millions were transported by barge to London- Grandarog must know?
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On the River Medway?
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It is indeed on the north bank of the Medway :)
And... why build something in 1669 substantial enough to still have present day ruins?
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I know where this is, but haven't got a pic ready to upload in it's place. The 1669 structure to which you refer was one of a pair of such buildings, but the other one was totally different in appearance and has long since been demolished. It was demolished in spectacular fashion.
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I know where this is, but haven't got a pic ready to upload in it's place. The 1669 structure to which you refer was one of a pair of such buildings, but the other one was totally different in appearance and has long since been demolished. It was demolished in spectacular fashion.
Same here; no pics. Need to find something online as I ran out of personal pics a while ago.
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I found one, so here goes. The 1669 structure is Cockham Wood Fort, the remains of which are slowly falling into the Medway between Hoo and Upnor.
The other Fort was Fort Gillingham, a tower like structure which stood at the northern end of the Chatham Lines. Fort Amherst stands at the other end. Fort Gillingham was blown up and the northern end of the Chatham Lines demolished to make way for the construction of the locks and No3 Basin when the Chatham Royal Dockyard was extended between 1868 and 1878.
Both forts were built in response to the Dutch Raid on the Medway in June of 1667.
So, the map shows brickworks on the northern bank of the River Medway between Lower Upnor and Hoo.
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It is Hoo, I believe now the marina, caravan park and “port”. Well done Stuart.
Your description of the forts is correct, and if I had been built in 1669 I think I would be sliding into the Medway! The two forts were built in response to the Dutch raid up the Medway.
Over to you.
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https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=51.41292&lon=0.56302&layers=6&b=1 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=51.41292&lon=0.56302&layers=6&b=1)
Instead of the usual location information, follow the link above. Use the slider bottom right to switch between today's aerial view and the original map. If you look carefully you can see crop markings along the routes of some of the tramways and vestigial remains of trackways as footpaths.
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Thanks John. Try this one - where is this?
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Very close to a motorway? Near water?
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Quick guess - Kent Rural Life Museum, Maidstone ?
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Don't know wherebut tis a Granary on Staddle Stones.
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Probably is a granary. Near a major trunk road. East Kent. Virtually next door to a church.
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My turn to keep quiet :)
I found it by sheer luck. On GSV the steps are laid down, very sensible as rodents love an easy climb.
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Monkton ? There used to be one beside St Mary Magdalene Church that I passed on my way to work. However, It seems to have gone now as I can't see it on GSV.
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Nope, not there JW.
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looks a bit like the one outside the entrance to Coldred Court Farm, Coldred. Itself next to St Pancras' Church, Coldred?
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CAT has it, well done!
The maternal side of my family has a memorial stone in the cemetery there. Because that side of my family are Romany Gypsies who had settled in the area and because many years ago the church authorities would not allow them to be buried in consecrated ground, they were buried outside or cremated and paid for a stone to be put up with their names carved on it. My Grandmother, my mum and uncles' names are engraved on the stone, along with various cousins. My Grandmother married my Grandfather in the church there too in 1927.
Over to you CAT.
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A fascinating story of your family tree Stuart. Something to be very proud of.
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Many thanks stuartwaters
I remember sitting on the steps of the granary eating a sandwich after walking there from Canterbury one distant summers day. Then the owner use to leave the door open and the steps in place so you could inspect the interior, which then was all complete with its stowage bins either side of a central walkway.
Here is my next offering, which despite possessing a name of another Kentish town on its façade is a fair distance from it. It can be seen from the road on Google Streetview, but due to roadside trees not clearly from this direction.
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Interesting. The granary is not listed although the farmhouse is: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1049087?section=official-listing (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1049087?section=official-listing) Both though do lie within the scheduled monument. There's an entry for Coldred in Wikipedia that mentions the manor.
- Grid: TR 27429 47556
- Post: CT15 7LY
- WGS84: 51°10'55"N, 001°15'10"E
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Passed by this Guess many times when collecting Vegetables from a Farm. :)
Will hold back for a while ,give Newby's a chance.
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Wingham Water Works by any chance?
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It is indeed commonly known as Wingham Waterworks building, but for the extra virtual point, what is the more distant town name inscribed on the front of the building?
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It is "Margate" as it was built as a pumping station Waterworks to supply the towns needs from the water source springs at Wingham.. .
Donate the Brownie Point to Stuart. :)
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Grade II listed, see https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1363294?section=official-listing (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1363294?section=official-listing)
I notice that the distinctive stack has been removed, presumably on electrification.- Grid: TR 24307 55335
- Post: CT3 3JD
- WGS84: 51°15'11"N, 001°12'47"E
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Who are you giving this one to CAT? I got the location, but grandarog's answer was more accurate than mine. Don't mind either way....
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Give it to Stuart please Cat.He found it. I already knew where and what it was. :)
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I think you have it stuartwaters as you got the location and I just needed the final clarification.
The inscription on the front of the building says 'Margate Water Works' as it was built by the Margate Corporation between 1903-5 to supply pumped water to the Fleet reservoir and then onto Thanet. It draws water from three separate wells, each over 100ft deep into a tunnel system extending over two miles around the immediate area of the wells.
For those not in the know, its located beside the main road roughly midway between the villages of Wingham and Aylesham.
So over to you stuartwaters
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Thank you for that both of you. I have a pic to post but it's at home, so I'll post it in a while.
As for the Water Works, I drove past it quite frequently on my way to the Sewage Works at Dambridge Farm just outside Wingham. I've also spent a few nights working on the pumping station just behind the High Street in Wingham.
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What and where is this?
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NatWest Bank, Gillingham High Street ?
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JW you have it, well done.
That branch of Natwest is infamous for those of us of a certain age. Way back in the mid-80s, a fight had started in a trendy pub/nightclub called "Kents", formerly the Kent Arms on the corner of Jeffrey Street and James Street. The fight spilled over onto the street and into Gillingham High Street and somebody was stabbed to death outside the Bank. Kents closed soon after due to a lack of customers and is now a Chinese Takeaway.
I had no idea that the War Department owned land into Gillingham High Street (I'm assuming that is a War Department boundary marker carved into the stone).
I thought that might go a little longer. Over to you....
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Stuart, that is a surveyor's benchmark, not a WD boundary marker. The WD symbol doesn't have the line across the top. Looking at an old 1960s map (attached) you can see it shown as an arrow against the bank's wall and the legend "BM 123.94" gives the precise height of the deepest part of the horizontal cut. Incidentally, the cross and "121" is a spot height that isn't marked but just added to make understanding the terrain easier.
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Worth baring in mind that when looking at Bench marks on old maps they will be marked in feet and inches as opposed to the more recent maps which are in metres and centimetres. joys of metrification.
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That's more info I've learned from the GTP threads. Thanks, Stuartwaters, MartinR, and CAT.
I had to work for this one. Worked my way through NatWest banks on GSV. Found it around the 10th try.
Next one up after discussion on benchmarks etc.
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MartinR. As you have a knowledge of all things associated with maps, at what stage does the benchmark change from inches- e.g. 123.94"- to feet & inches please? BUT, as that is only 10ft 3.94" & I'm sure Gillingham High Street is higher that that above msl, maybe it's 123ft & ?" I know that this is a little off topic but still relevant &, like John Walker, I find all these threads interesting.
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This might help ...
Elevation of Gillingham, UK
Longitude: 0.551438 Latitude: 51.386322 Elevation: 38m / 125feet
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Dave, John's reply gives the game away in this particular case: 123.94 feet = 123' 11" and the spot height is 121' ± 6". As regards a date, the "one inch" seventh series (1:63360) maps were in imperial units and were issued up to 1962. Starting from 1974 the Landranger series of 1:50000 maps were issued in metric units.
However in one important way OS maps have always had an element of metric in them, the National Grid is entirely metric. A grid reference such as the waterworks: TR 24307 55335 first identifies a 500km by 500km square known as "T", then within that the 100km by 100km square known as TR. The two numbers represent 24.307 km east of the square's bottom left and 55.335 km north of the bottom left. They define a 1m² square.
There's a Wiki entry on benchmarks at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchmark_(surveying) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchmark_(surveying))
Oh, and if you think this is problematic, maritime charts used to show heights above sea level (eg bridges, chimneys) in feet but depths in fathoms (1 fathom = 6'). Now they are all metric, except of course that they use lat/long as a grid and everyone uses nautical miles and cables for distance!
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Really interesting info MartinR. You obviously know your maps. Thank you.
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Thanks from me too Martin. Interestingly, where I worked in 1960+, the Research manager was on the British Metrics Committee, changing everything to SI units. He said at that time that Meters & Millimeters were the standard, not Centimeters. Of course the nautical mile ( knot = n/m per hour)is relative to the division of the earth into degrees, minutes & seconds, so is more logical than meters.
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OK, a bit of technical information on charts here, just in case anyone is interested.:
A chart will always show the latitude and longitude since that is how navigation is done. It is crucially important that the latitude scale running down both sides is used and never the longitude scale across the top and bottom. The lines of longitude (NS) converge at the poles and so will never be 60 nm apart except at the equator. Most charts will not show nautical miles, you just read from the longitude scale. Furthermore, the scales are in degrees, minutes and decimals of a minute. Positions are given in this way too. One minute is a nautical mile, 1/10 of a minute is a cable's length and 1/1000 of a minute is a fathom (6' or 2m). For instance one of the navigation buoys in the mouth of the Medway is at 51°25'.813N, 000°43'.945E. Note also that the latitude is always given as two figures (ie 00 to 90) whereas the longitude is given as three figures (ie 000-180).
See any book on navigation at Day Skipper level or above.
I've enclosed a tiny part of one chart showing Walton Creek, Essex. Notice on the right hand side 51°52'N and 51'.5. The second, lower value is minutes only and the "ticks" are tenths of a minute, near enough 600'. Notice also the ticks across the bottom are much closer than down the sides. The figures in the water are depths in metres and tenths (in smaller type). Underlined values are drying heights.
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I don't know why but creeks always give me the jitters. What lies beneath and all that ;D . Looking at the chart I think I would find navigating waters like that a nightmare.
Right - next GTP.
Where is this door?
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That also looks like a bank somewhere.
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That also looks like a bank somewhere.
It was a bank once upon a time.
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Was it a NatWest bank? Just guessing as you searched those for the Gillingham GTP.
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Martin. Yes, very interested particularly as there seems to be a bit of a mish mash of units used. And even these seem a bit inconsistent e.g. 1 fathom I always thought was 6 ft. but you say, or 2 m? And the water depth on that chart is in 1/10's of a meter. Very confusing unless you are fully aware of all the different uses! I thought at first that your knowledge of maps was due to being a surveyor in your native Yorkshire but your photo leads me to think Royal Navy, ending up at HMS Pembroke & settling in Rochester?
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Was it a NatWest bank? Just guessing as you searched those for the Gillingham GTP.
Not a NatWest but I like your thinking :D
Try HSBC ...
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You were right, a fathom is 6'. However for most practical purposes that's 2m for those who prefer Napoleonic units to Christian ones.*
- 45 = 4.5 m
- 26 = 2.6 m drying height.
- 42 = 42 m, note that the 2 is full size.
Heights and depths are referenced to the Lowest Astronomical Tide (LAT) which is the lowest that the tide can get purely due to astronomical effects, though weather may take it lower. The predicted low tide at 2320 today is 1.5m, so you need to add that to the charted depths.
A very interesting set of guesses about my career! After a short period in Middlesbrough Public Libraries I worked for 5 years at Whitley Bay High School as a lab technician. Most of my life though has been working with computers, rising from operator through system programmer to system management. Virtually all the work has been on behalf of the MoD, so any more information is inappropriate here. We were taught about maps at school, in the scouts, ATC and OTC. I've studied a bit about surveying just for interest. I seriously considered the Senior Service when at school, but there were questions about my health. I've tried to spend time on boats as much as possible, without a lot of success until I was made redundant when I bought an old yacht. I've trained as Day skipper (theory and practical) and Yachtmaster (theory) but can't really take it further due to failing health. Thinking me RN! That's must rank as today's best complement. :)
*Sarcy comment nabbed from "The Model Engineer".
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More fascinating information from you Martin. A great and varied career. So sorry to hear of your health problems.
A question from me. What is meant by 'Drying Height'.
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John,Its the height of the bit of the bottom that is above water level when the Tide goes out. There's a lot showing around the shores of Upchurch and Lower Halstow at Low Tide.
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I don't know why but creeks always give me the jitters. What lies beneath and all that ;D . Looking at the chart I think I would find navigating waters like that a nightmare.
Not exactly plain sailing once you left the creeks and rivers John. This was what I was working with during the sixties and seventies. ;D
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Hi Shoot99. Interesting to compare that to today's charts. It really shows how the sand and mud moved in the estuary over the last half century.
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My pleasure Martin :D . That is why I like reading auto & biographies, a lot of people have had most interesting lives. A love of the sea is in the blood I think, so sad for you that it was not to be. When I was at school, scouts, ATC, RAF, ALL were Imperial Units- so no confusion. Even threads were BA, Whitworth BSF, BSC & BSP ( British!). All gone now, although Pipe stayed for some time along with the diameter of iron pipe- not Napolionic! I don't know what it is now? Way off thread( pardon the pun) I'm afraid but maybe more of KHF's than John & I find it all interesting?
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Coastal town or inland?
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Coastal town or inland?
Coastal.
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Stout
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Guinness? ;)
or Stour?
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Guinness? ;)
or Stour?
Stout is the clue to help with the location of this one MartinR :) (I'd prefer a Guinness though)
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More clues:
1: A closed branch line terminated close to this location. I believe it was intended to continue to the next town but another company beat them to it.
2: The town slopes steeply upwards behind the building.
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That will be the former Hythe HSBC.
I lived on the former Southern Branch Line at Seabrook.That is where the Line ended after a dispute with two Land Owners in Sandgate, which blocked the proposed route to Folkestone Harbour.
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Mackesons Stout Brewery of Hythe. I got there eventually JW
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Spot on Beachbum - well done. I had to be careful with the clues as this bank door is opposite to the bank door I put up a couple of weeks back. It's a shame the Sandling branch didn't make it to Folkestone Harbour as it would have been an easier route than the now-closed steep incline into Folkestone.
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It would have been a more direct route, but remember that from Sandgate to Folkestone without ascending the hill out of Sandgate would require it to extend along the base of the Lees Cliffe (where the old toll road was). This portion of land is geologically very unstable and though Victorian train engineers could have dealt with that it would have caused a continual problem throughout its lifetime. Also worth noting that prior to the mid eighteenth century this strip of land never existed with the sea washing against the base of the Lees Cliffe. It was not until a major landslide forming a new tumbled foreshore that the then Lord Radnor, who owned the land, created the toll road as an easier way of getting from Sandgate to Folkestone without climbing the hill out of Sandgate. This would have been a major improvement especially for the horses pulling heavily goods laden carts. I'm sure the horses were very grateful!
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As best as I can determine:
- 47, High St, Hythe, CT21 5BS
- Grid ref: TR 16063 34768
- WGS84: 51°04'18"N, 001°04'58"E
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I gather Lord Radnor was the main reason for not allowing the Line to continue beyond Seabrook Station.
So this is a plan of what and where?
It was constructed and used, but now replaced............
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Coastal?
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Ramsgate Airport ?
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You have it JW.
The Ramsgate Municipal Airport opened in 1935. The Terminal Building opened in 1939.
Many additional surrounding plots+buildings were engaged for expansion.
WW2 action included Hurricanes.
The closure in 1968 gave way to a Wimpey Housing Estate and the Pysons Road Industrial Estate.
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Quite an inspirational building, it being in the shape of an aircraft wing.
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I can't get a precise fix on the building, but the airport was centered on:
- TR 37 67
- 51°21'22"N, 001°24'37"E
according to the OS 1:10,500 map of 1949-1970
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Thanks Beachbum,
I wasn't sure if it was Ramsgate so just took a guess. On the plan, it shows two extensions at the rear but they don't appear in the photos.
Next one...
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Took a while as different angle than I recognised .
It is the Church behind the Ripple War Memorial near Deal.
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You were close MartinR, but the building of Ramsgate airport was located at [size=0px]51°21'11.92"N, 001°24'25.84"E[/size]
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Well done Grandarog. Over to you.
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Indeed JW, the Ramsgate Airfield plans were for a larger complex and a lot more ground.WW2 got in the way and then investment was reduced.
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@CAT - to the nearest foot. Must have been a small building! ;) So about 500 yards SW of the centre of the airfield. Presumably where Page & Sons is at the sharp bend on Hopes Lane? The 1:10560 of 1947-1970 shows an oval building at that point with what looks to be an apron in front. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=51.35322&lon=1.40427&layers=193&b=1 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=51.35322&lon=1.40427&layers=193&b=1)
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Martin R, spot on at Page and Son.
The original hanger is still there and shown as Combined Frame Makers.
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Another photo
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Sorry for Delay,here we go with the next one. Where would you see this building.
First clue TN postcode.
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Sheerness ?
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Sheerness ?
TN Postcode John. For some reason I missed that clue as well.
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Near the coast?
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A business ?
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Not a business .Only few k from coast.
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Residential?
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Something along the lines of an old holiday camp?
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New Romney area ? (TN and near the coast)
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You are in the right area John Walker. You might have passed the residence a few years ago on a flying visit. Nothing to do with Holiday Camp.
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An old RAF base ?
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No but the building shown was originally WW1 accomodation huts before they were re-sited and converted to the 2 bungalows.
A once very busy Civil Airfield not far away.
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Is the airfield Lydd?
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Lympne?
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I could only think of two airfields that fitted the bill - Lydd and Lympne. Searched the hell out of both of them, then went back to the Lydd area. The single white line helped as the only road I could find near Lympne was the main A20.
B2075 Romney Road
50.9684994280778, 0.9231833657070453
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Well done John Walker.
Your diligent persistence paid off .The next clue was a well used B road.
It is a friend of mines .The huts were moved there at the end of WW1 by a Farmer and were used as storage and animal sheds. He bought them both it in a dilapidated state back in the 1960's and after a battle with the planners made the 2 semi detached bungalows from the huts. Sold one and has lived in the one shown ever since.
Back to you once again. :)
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Thanks Grandarog - I enjoyed the hunt :)
Next one - What is beyond the gates and where is it?
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MOD or ex MOD site?
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MOD or ex MOD site?
Yes, Shoot999 - I believe it's still a current MOD site.
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Would that be a gateway to the MOD Camp at Lydd?
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Would that be a gateway to the MOD Camp at Lydd?
Not there Grandarog
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Hythe Ranges. The Ferguson Way entrance off Fort Road.
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Hythe Ranges. The Ferguson Way entrance off Fort Road.
Well done Shoot999 - Over to you ...
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Thank you John, It had the look of a MOD Training/Firing range. So just had to circle the establishments on Google Earth and look where the blue street view lines finished abruptly. :)
Struggling a bit with suitable pics, so the next ones a bit different. Name any of the streets within the view or the notable establishment.
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Good thinking Shoot999.
Quick guess on yours Morden Street ?
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Ferguson Way entrance:
- WGS84: 51°04'06"N 001°04'23"E
- Post Code: CT21 6JS
- Grid ref: TR 15399 34381
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Maidstone Rd Rochester Ave TROY TOWN
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MartinR For us that are not that IT savvy could you say where things are as well as Reference Please.
Google Maps can't find WGS84: 51°04'06"N 001°04'23"E
Google Maps can't find TR 15399 34381
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Off Fort Road Hythe
51.068434506862765, 1.0731089130880893
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Grandarog - if you open up Google Maps then cut-and-paste the lat/long into the search bar (top left) it goes there. Because Google is US based it will only accept lat/long and not the national grid. streetmap.co.uk will work with the grid reference, but you need to remove the spaces for some strange reason!
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Good thinking Shoot999.
Quick guess on yours Morden Street ?
I thought you might get it John, but not with Morden Street as that's now a very short ramp down to a block of garages! I thought the chimneys and spire in the foreground would give it away. Watts Alm House on the Rochester Maidstone Road.
Over to you.
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Well, you said name one of the streets so I went for the one central to the photo and not too obvious ;D . Luckily, I thought Rochester as soon as I saw the photo but I wasn't certain so a bit of searching in Google 3D helped me find it. Another good one.
51.382291388051044, 0.502187792528449
Next one ... A nice easy one this time.
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I don't think I've entered a GTP of this area so far
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Maidstone?
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Maidstone?
Yes, Maidstone :)
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Got it .. :) I will pass let someone else go for it. ;D
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Ye Olde Thirsty Pig, Knightrider Street, Maidstone?
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Ye Olde Thirsty Pig, Knightrider Street, Maidstone?
You have it Diapason, well done.
Over to you...
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Where would you find this "organ in the rafters"?
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Struggling with this one. Question time to try and narrow it down :) . Sittingbourne area?
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Not far off, John.
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Old All Saints Church, Murston ?
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Local Knowledge Advantage ,will sit this one out for a while. :)
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Your reply was not unexpected, granderog as you successfully guessed a post from this place that I made on the previous forum.
It`s a very difficult place to find - it took me three attempts on my first visit there a few years ago.
Clue time: The building is virtually in an orchard.
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St Mary's Church, Norton ?
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Over to you, John.
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St Mary's Church, Provender Lane, Norton, Faversham, ME13 0SG
- Grid: TQ 9677 6110
- WGS84: 51°18'54"N, 000°49'20"E
There's something a little funny about the post codes. Google gives the address as above, but Streetmap gives the "nearest postcode" as ME9 9JU. If using a mobile phone to navigate, beware.
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Correct Royal Mail Postcode for the Church is ME 13 OSG. Provender lane Codes are all ME13 OS*.
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Thanks diapason. Your orchard clue really helped there. I visited the church on an open-gardens day many years ago. I don't think the church was open but I seem to remember an orchard of mature apple trees.
Next one ...
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Quick guess. Dover area?
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Quick guess. Dover area?
Not Dover Shoot999. Head West Young man.
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@grandarog: thanks for clearing it up; why they differ I know not.
@John: Medway Towns?
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@grandarog: thanks for clearing it up; why they differ I know not.
@John: Medway Towns?
Yes MartinR - Medway Towns area.
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Borstal?
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Borstal?
Well done Diapason. Fort Borstal it is. Over to you ...
51.37046700448906, 0.48909182938157814
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Another one of my childhood playgrounds I failed to recognise 60 odd years later. ;D
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Another one of my childhood playgrounds I failed to recognise 60 odd years later. ;D
That must have been a great adventure playground :)
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Probably a very easy one, especially for those with a little local knowledge.
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Abstain on this one. :)
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St Mary's Church Newington, Sittingborne ?
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You`re close, John!
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St Michaels, Hartlip ?
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I was a chorister at St Mary Newington, lived at Hartlip Hill and my paper round went up into Hartlip village, so I kept quiet 8)
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Well done, John W. Hartlip church tower.
John Filmer.
When were you a chorister at Newington, as I think that our paths may have crossed. Who was the Vicar? John Peacock or Michael Chandler.
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Thank you Diapason. Another enjoyable search.
Next one up soon.
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Next one ...
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Medway corridor?
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Medway corridor?
Too far west MartinR. :)
This view can be seen on GSV.
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Canterbury?
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Canterbury?
Lutonman - You are Hot!
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Clue: The view is from a busy route.
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Clue: The Cathedral is in sight.
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Is the A2 the busy route?
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Is the A2 the busy route?
Not the A2 Lutonman. This road is busy but not as busy as the A2. However, it does join the original pre-bypass route of the A2.
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I have not been very good at GtP but I'm trying to help out here at least.
Is is the west end of the A2050 Harbledown?
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Near the old Tannery?
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Thanks Lutonman and Diapason - not the A2050 or near the Old Tannery.
Clue: To get to this location, follow a road named after a Saint and you will find this building, also named after a Saint. That should do it. :D
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Clue: To arrive at this place from the City you need to cross a river and a railway line.
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St Stephen's Green area ???
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St Stephen's Green area ???
Not on that route Grandarog.
This route would take you toward the previous home of a late man of horror.
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I misread that as a "late man of honour". :-[
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Clue: A large volume of water used to be close by.
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Old Dover Road?
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Whitstable road ?
Peter Cushing
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Whitstable road ?
Peter Cushing
Right road out of Canterbury and clue solving Grandarog. Now to find the building. Can be seen on GSV.
The cathedral used to be in view from here but trees have grown and blocked the view from the road. I believe the cathedral can still be seen from within the grounds of this location.
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That sounds like you knew it well as a youngster John.
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St Edmunds School? 51.2914315,1.0588582
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That sounds like you knew it well as a youngster John.
Yes, MartinR, It's an area I frequented in my early years when I stayed with my Nan not far from this location. Also, returning from a day at the seaside there would be a good view over Canterbury with the cathedral standing proud.
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St Edmunds School? 51.2914315,1.0588582
Well done Lutonman. St Edmunds is at the top of St Thomas's Hill going out of Canterbury, heading for Whitstable. The now disused water tower is opposite.
https://www.stedmunds.org.uk/about-us/history/ (https://www.stedmunds.org.uk/about-us/history/)
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Yes, "the trees have grown" made me think it was a while back! ;)
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Thanks very much John Walker, hard to get for me from Medway not knowing too much about Canterbury.
Try this one, the picture is itself a clue if remember what was up to last year.
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Obvious guess, Medway?
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The Chatham Synagogue?
Bit of a wild guess, as the red brickwork is completely out of character with the Synagogue.
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Assuming its somewhere in Medway! Only clue's I can find is the red brick and the religious quote.
Guess :- Is it the Foundation stone for Christ the King Church you wrote about.?
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Not Chatham Synagogue Diapason
Yes Its Medway but Not Christ the King our church is only 30 years old. But is a church
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@Diapason, 2 Timothy is New Testament so would not appear on a Synagogue!
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Baptist Church, Crow Lane Rochester ?
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Ee Gad ,John Walker has done it again. 8) ;D
https://www.rochesterbaptist.co.uk/our-history (https://www.rochesterbaptist.co.uk/our-history)
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Baptist Church, Crow Lane Rochester ?
Spot On John Walker, back to you!
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Thanks Lutonman. I was helped by the earlier confirmation that it was in Medway. An interesting history.
Next one. I don't think I've used this one before.
I think at least one of our members has had a pint or two in here. :D
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Well I'd guess a conservation zone since there is no large pub sign. Canterbury? The brickwork is pre-1900, but there's something odd. It looks as though it is double thickness, but then the windows make me think the building could be much older, older than the Georgian facade.
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Well I'd guess a conservation zone since there is no large pub sign. Canterbury? The brickwork is pre-1900, but there's something odd. It looks as though it is double thickness, but then the windows make me think the building could be much older, older than the Georgian facade.
Not Canterbury MartinR
I've just checked on GSV and in the latest view the pub name is in fairly unobtrusive black letters under the top windows.
The building is a Grade 1 listed and can be dated to 1797. It has had various names over the years.
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Clue: Not one of my usual areas.
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Clue: Water nearby
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Clue: Water nearby
As a mariner I know it more for the back entrance. :) . I'll dive in tomorrow if no one gets there first.
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Clue: Famous statue a few hundred metres away.
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Clue: Water nearby
As a mariner I know it more for the back entrance. :) . I'll dive in tomorrow if no one gets there first.
Looks like it's going to be down to you Shoot999 :)
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The Rum Puncheon in West Street, Gravesend. With the statue being that of Princess Pocahontas.
As you say John, the building is over 300 years old and has had a few change of names before reverting to its original name. The waterfront at the rear of the pub was a landing point for a lot of Thames traffic hence why to many of us the rear entrance is more familiar.
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Spot on Shoot999. Not an area I'm very familiar with. The only times I've been to Gravesend was a good few years back when Corralls Fuels had a depot on the riverside. I worked at another Corralls depot but visited the Gravesend a number of times for auditing etc. The tank farm is now operated by Conway (Bitumen).
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Fascinating name. I wonder if it literally refers to a puncheon of rum (70 gallons) or if it is a play on "puncheon rum" which is a seriously over-strength type of rum (75% abv) distilled in the Caribbean since the 17thC. Just the sort of thing that could be smuggled in through the back door of a waterfront pub!
Factoid: I was talking to the vicar of St George's a few years back. Although it's known that Rebecca Rolfe (aka Pocahontas) was buried in the chancel on 21 March 1617, that church was destroyed by fire (IIRC). Anyhow, when the new one was built in 1731 all trace of her grave was lost. The vicar thought this a good thing, visiting tourists (particularly Americans) don't insist on seeing the grave and disrupting church life, they are content with Partridge's statue outside. Indeed, (quietly ...) many think that that is her grave marker!
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Thank you John. A regular haunt for those of us who worked the Thames and Medway.
Think this one is maybe a little easy? I do need to spend some time on the internet finding a few more Kent 'jewels' to carry on playing.
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Medway Towns? Rochester?
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Right both times MartinR. Should be easy to find now. :)
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I have found a similar building but the frontage is flat. Has the building changed since your photo Shoot999?
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No frontage change to the central building. Can't say the same about the one next door lol. Roofline of the central building is now symmetrical and the chimney is still in situ.
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I will accept any of the buildings four names.
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Looks like the top of Northgate?
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Looks like the top of Northgate?
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You have it John. Has had many names, I think the latest is College Gate, and obviously Jaspers Gate from The Mystery of Edwin Drood.
The view in the 1900s before the building next door was demolished and replaced with the road; and the view now.
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Rooting about old Rochester photos in pursuit of ancestors I had come across the building next to the gate and it rang a very distant bell when I saw the photo.
Sorry for delay posting the next one I was out and about - and forgot my camera. However, by the miracle that is computing, the fairies in my laptop have let me take a screenshot from GSV, in the same way as I always did, and this time it worked again - no idea ::)
Just to set the scene - at the bottom of a hill that runs up to the left, on a sharpish bend (so with chevrons). Mid Kent.
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The gate and steps beyond provide a back entrance (just for shoot999 :) ) to the most prominent building in the village.
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The abstract that shows up on my RSS reader said "..' the most prominent building in the villa". Aha! I thought, it must be Eynsford. :) Then I opened the whole message up in the browser. Oops! :(
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Would the prominent building be a church?
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It is the village church.
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Boughton Monchelsea area?
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It is one of many churches on the Greensand Ridge, but further along.
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As far East as Charing ?
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A bit too far, and Charing church is not up on the ridge.
This church looks out over The Weald, with its village spread down the scarp slope of the ridge. The photo shows the approach from the other, dip slope, side of the ridge.
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Struggling with this one. I can't find a detailed map of exactly where the greensand ridge runs. The search continues :D
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Simplistic answer JW is that when you come down from the North Downs, at say Lenham, as you go south(ish) you go uphill until you reach the top of the Greensand Ridge, where in some places you can see for miles across the Weald. There are a string of churches along this vantage point. My ex neighbour reckoned that he could see 5 others from the top of one tower. No idea if this true. :-\
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St James Church, Egerton ?
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Well done JW, Egerton it is :)
We went past this on our way to Egerton Forstal where we get our dog food. I thought that looks interesting, should get a few heads scratching...
Over to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer
Another good one that had me scratching my head. I just couldn't be certain of the area covered by the Greensand Ridge.
Next one ...
Unless a member recognises it straight away, I think questions and clues might be needed.
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Since I had no idea where Egerton was, perhaps some others won't:
- GSV: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.1956071,0.7303728,3a,75y,303.91h,77.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s21iSHrahTqbQqtx3gfNkqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.1956071,0.7303728,3a,75y,303.91h,77.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s21iSHrahTqbQqtx3gfNkqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
- Grid: TQ 90871 47587
- Post: TN27 9AL
- WGS84: 51°11'44"N, 000°43'49"E
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Isle of Thanet area?
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Does the building still exist, and if so is it visible?
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Diapason - a tad too far east.
JohnFilmer - It no longer exists but the building can be seen on earlier versions of GSV.
Became a popular pub under a different name until a fire destroyed it.
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Town or rural? Coastal or inland?
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Coastal town Shoot999 :)
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Quick punt, Folkestone area?
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Quick punt, Folkestone area?
Wrong side of Kent coast JohnFilmer
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The Bun Penny that burnt down 1st September 2011.
Location was Central Parade, Herne Bay. Opened in 1899 as The Royal Hotel and changed the name in 1972.
Now the site of a £3 million development of Apartments.
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You have it Beachbum, The Bun Penny, previously The Royal Hotel. I had a few drinks in there in the 80s/90s. Very tired inside and in need of a major facelift. The fire was rather fortuitous ;)
Photo shows what is there now.
51.37301853371811, 1.1285907559430215
Over to you Beachbum :)
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Thanks JW.
Funny how a unfortunate Fire turns into Luxury Apartments in Coastal Towns?
Next one is a Coastal shot, but where?
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I recognise this one (I think) , but I'll hold fire as I've had quite a few lately. :)
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Walmington on Sea? Private Pike front and centre. :) :)
However, how about Hythe?
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Princess Parade, Seabrook?
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Upon hindsight, its probably closer to Hythe than Seabrook
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Well done CAT. It is indeed Princes Parade at Seabrook and now subject to a Controversial planning dispute involving diverting the Seafront Road along the Canal side. Then Prime Seafront Homes could be built.
Over to you CAT
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I think the camera was about here judging by the houses, landscape and access steps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.0698936,1.109513,3a,75y,251.93h,97.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIoAFkFL5t1KGkhVb0mqvg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.0698936,1.109513,3a,75y,251.93h,97.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIoAFkFL5t1KGkhVb0mqvg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
If so, then the location is:- Grid: TR 17945 34662
- Post: CT21 5QN
- WGS84: 51°04'12"N, 001°06'34"E
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Many thanks Beachbum and MartinR, and apologies to johnfilmer for getting in there when he was clearly hot on the trail.
I know this seafront road after spending many an hour along it either swimming in the sea, running or cycling. Thankfully, it was long after the wartime coastal defences had been removed.
Here is my next offering, which despite being a pen n wash from the late eighteenth century, the view is possible on Google Streetview, though the porch has been altered since then.
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East Kent area ?
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Not East Kent John Walker, a bit further afield
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Boxley?
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Not Boxley Diapason. North and the other side of the Medway.
Almost coastal with a typical spread of marshes before it, though coastal is not saltwater. The name of this parish would have been very handy in old school classrooms as well as holding masonry together.
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St Mary the Virgin Church, Chalk ?
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though coastal is not saltwater
. Sorry Cat, but I think you'll find the costal water there is definitely still saltwater.
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You have it John Walker, it is indeed the west tower of St Mary the Virgin's Church at Chalk. The main difference being the roof of the porch, which today possesses a shallow pitch roof contained by a stone parapet. This may actually be more in keeping with the original arrangement, which would have concealed the west window lower in the tower west wall. Either way, the small statue niche at the porch's apex above the door is a Kentish oddity, which saw it painted also during the late eighteenth century. the uppermost figure may also be a crude representation of a sheela-na-gig?
Always a difficult boundary between salt - brackish - fresh water MartinR
Over to you John Walker
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I've rung there a few times. The first time I was still learning to control the bell, very much a beginner. As we came down the tower the captain drew my attention to the details of the bells. The number 5 (which I had been ringing) was cast in 1348 and has never been retuned. Depending upon the route he took and the time of day, Geoffrey Chaucer might have heard that bell which by then was already 50 years old. In 1348 Edward III created the Order of the Garter, and the black death reached our shores. People fight over Stradivarius violins citing their great age - the bell was 350 years old by then! Yet they trusted a beginner to ring it.
The view from the top of the tower is magnificent. Right across the river to Essex and both ways along the bank. Gently rolling fields going down to the river.
As regards water, I thought it was salt up to about the QEII bridge and brackish then up to London, but I'll willingly be corrected and accept that the boundaries are not fixed.
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Thanks CAT - An interesting one. Your clues certainly helped a lot.
With regard to freshwater/saltwater in rivers, I read that at certain distances upriver there can be freshwater nearer the surface and saltwater at lower depths. Both freshwater and saltwater fish can be caught along the same stretch depending on the depth you set your line at. Not sure how true this is.
Next one up shortly ...
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Oops, should have added for those unfamiliar with Chalk Church:
- Grid: TQ 68322 72502
- Post: DA12 2NL
- WGS84: 51°25'36"N, 000°25'11"E or 51.426529,0.419750
The church is not in Chalk village, but half a mile further east. You need to look out for a small side road, Church Road, of the main A226 "Rochester Road".
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Right, here we go again.
Might not be too difficult.
Where is this? ...
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First Clue: North Mid Kent
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School or military?
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Well from a quick trip to Wikipedia that looks like a hockey pitch top right.
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Well from a quick trip to Wikipedia that looks like a hockey pitch top right.
Looks like a cross between field hockey and 5 a side football MartinR. Multi-purpose perhaps.
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School or military?
Neither CAT. Probably has educational aspects though.
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You could probably hear the muted roar of traffic from here.
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So near a motorway then? M20?
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So near a motorway then? M20?
Motorway correct - M20 - no. It's the other one :D
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Sports complex at Her Majesties Prison Rochester. (Please don't ask how I know) :)
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Sports complex at Her Majesties Prison Rochester. (Please don't ask how I know) :)
Well done Grandarog - looks well equipped for sports and other recreational activities. How long were you there? ;) ;D ;D ;D
51.36935590024599, 0.49191959911277194
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Thanks John Walker . No Comment.
Will put up the next Guess tomorrow evening,when I have sorted one out.
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Lived less than 200 yards from this complex from the 60s to 80s. The site of the original Borstal.
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Hmm, about ¼ mile away as the crow flies and I didn't know it was there!
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Hmm, about ¼ mile away as the crow flies and I didn't know it was there!
You must be near my old stamping ground. I lived corner of Tideway and Maidstone Road a lifetime ago.
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I lived near the junction of Sir Evelyn Rd and Maidstone Rd for years and spent a lot of time with Borstal warders kids over the years. I never knew that was there either so it must have been inside the walls.
AlanH.
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@shoot999: top end of City Way
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Here,s the next one. Taken long before WW1.
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Well it's obviously a substantial settlement. The street appears to be descending significantly in the distance and there is a large tall building at the end. I'm pretty sure we can rule out any of the Medway Towns and I can't think of such a structure in Maidstone, so is it either Ashford or Canterbury?
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Quick guess - top end of Tonbridge High Street ?
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Not Tonbridge. A tad closer to Canterbury than Medway or Maidstone.
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Coastal?
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Coastal in the sense that the town has has a Creek.
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Well that sort of implies either Milton Regis or Faversham, but I can't find a match in either place.
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Preston Street, Faversham?
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Well done as usual John Walker. A post card from Selling to Tunstall from my Great Grandmother to my Grandmother . 1908.
Over to you again :)
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Thanks Grandarog Great family post card. It looks like a few architectural changes have taken place since the photo. Now Miles and Barr, Dominos and the Smile Dental Centre.
51.31287388910928, 0.8903825714934771
Next one ...
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A village on a busy 'A' road that heads coastbound.
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Still in operation
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North coast?
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North coast?
Not the North Coast Shoot999 - Between the Kent Downs and the High Weald
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A long 'A' road
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There's some rare stuff here.
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Is a "long A road" Watling Street? If so I've a feeling there's some rare breeds or similar near the Broughton roundabout.
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From the style of building, I would guess around Cranbrook or at a push Staplehurst, JW.
DTT
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The 'rare' comment is a bit tongue in cheek but will come clear when the place is guessed.
Not Watling street MartinR.
This 'A' road connects two coastal towns.
Not Cranbrook of Staplehurst DTT - you need to come east.
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As you drive toward this place there is something quite distinctive about it.
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An antique shop?
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A28? Margate to Hastings outskirts.
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A28? Margate to Hastings outskirts.
Yes MartinR The A28. Should find it now.
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An antique shop?
Not an antique shop CAT
This place is known nationally - possibly even worldwide. Royalty has visited on at least one occasion.
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If that's the case then it must be the workshop of Stevenson Brothers, Rocking Horse manufacturers at Ashford Road, Bethersden?
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If that's the case then it must be the workshop of Stevenson Brothers, Rocking Horse manufacturers at Ashford Road, Bethersden?
That's the place CAT. 51.12690079849638, 0.7550489084515422
https://www.stevensonbros.com/ (https://www.stevensonbros.com/)
There is a rocking horse on the roof which you see as you approach.
The 'rare' stuff clue = As rare as rocking horse s**t. ;D
Princess Anne paid a visit there.
Over to you CAT.
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Apologies for the delay.
Stevenson Brothers workshop is a welcome journey milestone when returning to Canterbury from West Kent for me.
My next is clearly a castle gateway, but where?
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No luck so far. It's similar to Leeds Castle but not sure.
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Reckon it's Chiddingstone castle with a bit of Artistic licence. :)
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Lullingstone?
Sorry to have been awol for awhile, 4 days without power, then 2 more until Openreach came and persuaded broadband to play again :)
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Not Leeds Castle John Walker, or Chiddingstone Castle. The pic was a little misleading as it gives the impression of this gateway as being built of stone, but it is in fact the main gateway into Lullingstone Castle. This is noted as being 'Grade I listed building. Main construction periods 1550-1599. The extant outer gatehouse of Lullingstone Castle. Originally believed to have been built in the early 16th century, it now seems that it may have been built earlier in 1497 by Sir John Peche as part of his new house. The southwest turret was rebuilt in the 1960s after being damaged in WWII. The gatehouse is brick built and rectangular in plan polygonal turrets attached to the outer face. There is machicolation and castellated parapet around the whole gatehouse. The outer side faces west and has a four centred carriage archway which retains its original ribbed double 20 panel doors. The inner side had a similar moulded archway'
I think its over too you johnfilmer
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Evidently, my modern pic shows it from the inside and not the exterior as this one for comparison with my original early nineteenth century view
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I was pretty sure that I had looked at it on GSV during a GTP hunt at some point, and being brick, not stone, it lodged in the memory.
This photo was taken probably early 1930s. Probably easy.
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St Mary's Church ruins looking east from the twin towers at Reculver?
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Got it one CAT :D
I said that it was easy, but hoped that the old Coastguard Sation and cottages might throw people off the scent.
Another photo, presumably taken at the the same time shows those buildings behind the white pub building, and what appears to be a cafe to the left of the pub as we view it. Loking at the cars, I think early 1930s is about right.
Back to you.
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Sorry for the delay, but lost internet at home for the weekend. A blessing, but a pain also!
Many thanks johnfilmer, a site I know well as I recently undertook a condition survey of the Roman fort walls. Very few people know that Reculver had a village attached with housing both within and without the Roman fort. The only one left now being the King Ethelbert pub. Prior to the erosion of the fort's northern half and erosion of the coastline, the village of Reculver stood to the north of the fort, which goes to show how much has disappeared in the last two hundred years.
here is my next, which could go fairly quickly.
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Recognised it straight away... Lived around the corner for about a year.
Will hold fire otherwise it becomes the CAT and johnfilmer show ::)
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Victorian view of Queenborough High Street on the Isle of Sheppey.
Street View of the Guild Hall shown at end of street on the old print.
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The church tower shows some significant changes from the drawing. The stumpy spire has now gone and the turret in the south-east corner now reaches above the main roof to give access onto the roof. The bells (which I've rung in a striking competition) date from 1667 with a new treble from 1911. The tenor has been recast several times (1722, 1911 and 1933). The church was burnt out in 1719 and had another serious fire in 1933. The church has an "outstanding survival of a late C17 painted ceiling" according to the official listing, and is grade II*.
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You have it grandarog, it is indeed Queenborough High Street looking west.
Current similar view, though with the church shrouded by a large Horse-Chestnut tree.
Over to you grandagog
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Sorry for delay.
Here,s another cropped view from one of my old Postcards.
1st Clue ME13 Postcode area.
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Quick guess - Chiddingstone ?
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Not Chiddingstone ,that's miles away from ME13
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Not Chiddingstone ,that's miles away from ME13
Whoops! I missed that clue - was using my mobile. ;D ;D ;D
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Does it still exist ?
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Oh yes, much modernised and updated as private residences.
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Faversham ?
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It is in one of the Villages within 5 to 6 Kms from faversham. :)
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Was it a pub or a shop
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It was the Village Post Office. Selling other goods as well like a Village shop.
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The Street, Selling?
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Well done John Walker. That card view was from the 1930's.
Your turn again! :)
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Thanks Grandarog
Once again the clues really helped. The White Horse pub is next door. We used to go there in the 70s - excellent meals. Next time I hire a car, I'll have to pop back out.
Next one ....
Clue: Not as remote as it might appear.
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Thanks Grandarog
Once again the clues really helped. The White Horse pub is next door. We used to go there in the 70s - excellent meals. Next time I hire a car, I'll have to pop back out.
Next one ....
Clue: Not as remote as it might appear.
Clue: Can't be seen on GSV so clues and questions are probably needed.
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First off, which part of the county?
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First off, which part of the county?
East of mid Kent (roughly)
Between and motorway and a railway
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Boys Hall, Boys Hall Road, Willesborough, Ashford.
https://media.onthemarket.com/properties/2102625/doc_1_2.pdf
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Stunning! No price mentioned though I see. Now my mother's maiden name was Boyes (just a variant spelling, both come from " de Bois") - do you think I could convince them that it is a family property that needs returning?
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Stunning! No price mentioned though I see. Now my mother's maiden name was Boyes (just a variant spelling, both come from " de Bois") - do you think I could convince them that it is a family property that needs returning?
Worth a try MartinR :D
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Boys Hall, Boys Hall Road, Willesborough, Ashford.
https://media.onthemarket.com/properties/2102625/doc_1_2.pdf (https://media.onthemarket.com/properties/2102625/doc_1_2.pdf)
You have it. It's a bit out of the way and not on GSC so felt clues would be needed.
51.13414306292805, 0.897544501164949
Over to you ...
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Just struck lucky John. Put in Kent manor houses and this came up as 'Kent Manor', although there were no other references to 'Kent Manor' anywhere else. After a bit more research found that it was in fact Boys Hall.
Think this one will be a quick one.
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Rainham ?
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Rainham ?
Thats it John. Rainham and the old Wakeley Mill. Takes me back to the 60s when I and hundreds of others would wait at the stations of an evening for our wives and girlfriends to return from their jobs in London.
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Thanks Shoot999
Started searching stations on Google and found this after around the 5th station. For some reason it made me think of the Medway area, so that's where I started my search. Good to see the old oast has been saved.
Next one ... Where is this?
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Thats Wakeley 's Oast House. All the records of the Wakeley Brothers business's ,Farm,s Pottery etc were destroyed when there was a Fire in the archives stored there.
It is now a thriving community centre.
This Link is for your interest. :) http://www.oastcentre.org/history/ (http://www.oastcentre.org/history/)
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Looking down The Mall, Faversham I think. :)
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Looking down The Mall, Faversham I think. :)
Interesting history of Wakeley 's Oast House. I'd never heard of it before.
Not the Mall, Faversham Grandarog, although I can see the similarity.
Clue: Don't use the buildings in the background as clues because I can't identify any of them. I think some of them have been demolished.
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Sittingbourne area?
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Sittingbourne area?
Further to the east of Kent MartinR
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Clue: The trees on the far side have long gone but new trees have been planted on the nearside. This used to be the main route to a coastal town until a narrow lane was widened and became the main route.
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Would the route take you to the North East corner of Kent?
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Would the route take you to the North East corner of Kent?
More due east from this location.
Clue: Behind a high wall to the left is a very important historic site.
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Are we back in Canterbury again?
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Are we back in Canterbury again?
Yes, MartinR. Should be easy now...
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Clue: To the left, there are the remains of a holy place. There was also a hospital which then became a school - since demolished.
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London Road?
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Perhaps Northgate Street with St. Johns Hospital
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Not London Road or Northgate Beachbum.
The road is still wide as per the photo. The trees along the left side have been felled and replaced but are not yet as big as the ones in the photo. The remains of the very holy place behind the wall on the left are quite large. Two kings are buried there.
The road continues past another holy place but that one is still intact.
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Longport, adjacent St Augustine Abbey, where two kings of Kent are buried?
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I assume that the building on the right with the three dormers is now the Longport Londis/St George's Post Office?
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I assume that the building on the right with the three dormers is now the Longport Londis/St George's Post Office?
It does look like that but the frontage has changed so much that I'm not sure. Certainly very close. By co-incidence, I'm just about to head to that Post Office with a parcel. I live about 5 minutes walk away.
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Longport, adjacent St Augustine Abbey, where two kings of Kent are buried?
You have it Shoot999 51.277541, 1.087053
My primary school was behind the camera position and I used to catch the bus home by those trees on the left. As mentioned, this used to be the main route (A257) out of Canterbury heading for Sandwich. Lower Chantry Lane which is in the distance was a very narrow lane but it was widened late 50s/early 60s to become the main route.
Canterbury Hospital was built on the left, in front of St Augustines Abbey. When the new hospital was opened, this building became a Technical College. That has since been demolished and is now the site of the new St Augustine's Museum and Visitor Centre.
Over to you ...
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Thanks for that John. Took the two kings clue before I could narrow it down.
Think this one will need quite a few clues. As far as I am aware this place no longer exists.
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Some type of hospital or sanatorium?
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A chest hospital?
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Not a hospital or sanatorium.
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Pic is of just one of the many buildings and facilities that made up the complex
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Military?
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Military?
Civilian. Although there are similarities and connections.
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Offices or residential ?
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The pic shown is of one of the accommodation blocks that served the larger establishment that was expanded and rebuilt in the mid 70s. Within 15 years the site was no longer in use, and subsequently demolished.
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Chunnel?
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Chunnel?
I can see where you are going with this, but this particular place closed through a lack of funding. Or more accurately an argument over who funds it. Establishments elsewhere have since stepped into the breach.
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Kennington Police Training College?
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Kennington Police Training College?
Not police, but you are on the right track with a specialist college.
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Nonnington Physical Training College?
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Nonnington Physical Training College?
Not physical training. The majority who passed through this establishment ended up in a uniform of sorts.
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Any connection with Sittingbourne/Shell Research Centre ?
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Two ideas:
- Some sort of Merchant Marine training establishment.
- fire service.
but I've no idea where.
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Two ideas:- Some sort of Merchant Marine training establishment.
- fire service.
but I've no idea where.
Your first idea is right MartinR.
Given the above that should narrow down the search areas. Although all that remains today is a plaque, a mosaic and the Abbey, which is now a private house.
The site was opened for business in 1968, with the complex not built to mid 70s.
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The former NSTC and Sea School, Gravesend ?
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Very close John.
Whilst this establishment was formed in 1968, it had operated under a different name for a 100 years before that in the same location.
Part of the pre 1968 set up is now a National Monument.
The new complex was officially opened in 1976 by HRH The Prince Philip.
Now part of a wider housing estate.
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Anything to do with Thames Lightermen Training ?
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Anything to do with Thames Lightermen Training ?
No John. Most who went to this establishment ended up with a little more gold braid.
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Coastguard?
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Coastguard?
Not Coastguard. JohnWalker has been the closest with National Sea Training College. Both in the subject matter taught and location.
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HMS Gordon, Gravesend ?
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A little bit further west John.
So a maritime educational establishment that was active from 68 to 99, although it was in existence at the same location for over 100 years before that under a different name. An Abbey in the grounds that is now a private dwelling surrounded by a housing estate.
One of the older facilities, no longer needed, was moved on and is now considered a 'National Monument.'
The new build was officially opened by Prince Philip in 1976.
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The Royal Navy College Greenwich?
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The Royal Navy College Greenwich?
Much to far west, but oh so close to naming it.
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Well, I think the place might be Ingress Abbey, Greenhithe . I looked at it early on in this GTP but couldn't find a fit so I ignored it. Revisited this evening with further searches.
Possibly the HMS Worcester, Thames Nautical Training College or Merchant Navy College?
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Well, I think the place might be Ingress Abbey, Greenhithe . I looked at it early on in this GTP but couldn't find a fit so I ignored it. Revisited this evening with further searches.
Possibly the HMS Worcester, Thames Nautical Training College or Merchant Navy College?
You have it John. The Merchant Navy College, and before that the Thames Nautical Training College. Greenhithe. Or as known by most 'HMS Worcester.'
I was there during the change from the ship to the site ashore. Did night classes on the ship in the mess hall, and then for a term at the college ashore. I was in the first intake to use the accommodation block which was state of the art at the time. I was studying at the time for Home Trade Mate. The college catered for all those studying for the Officer grades across Deck, Eng, Elec and Comms.
Even at that time, and before it was even completed, the writing was on the wall that time had moved on. The ships bridge was never completed and the planetarium remained an empty room.
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Thank you Shoot999. A very interesting GTP. There must be some great memories for you having been part of it before it moved to the on-land establishment. I found the following YouTube film about the HMS Worcester.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKymGyPrQc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKymGyPrQc)
Next one up soon.
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Next one.
ME post code.
Can't be seen in Street view but it is marked on Google Maps.
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Know it. :) .
I will pass on this one or it will be only us few on GTP. Lets have some new blood having a goat Guessing.
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Quite remote
Redundant but open to visitors
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1km from water, most likely salty
Marshes nearby
Probably shaken due to a disaster
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Would the disaster be either the HMS Bulwark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Bulwark_(1899)#Explosion) or the HMS Princess Irene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Princess_Irene) explosions?
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Would the disaster be either the HMS Bulwark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Bulwark_(1899)#Explosion) or the HMS Princess Irene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Princess_Irene) explosions?
The disaster was on land and over 100 were killed. Just over 1km from the church.
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I`m 99.9% sure that it`s St. Mary, Luddenham.
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The disaster was on land and over 100 were killed. Just over 1km from the church.
That sounds like the Faversham explosives disaster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faversham_explosives_industry#World_War_I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faversham_explosives_industry#World_War_I)
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The disaster was on land and over 100 were killed. Just over 1km from the church.
That sounds like the Faversham explosives disaster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faversham_explosives_industry#World_War_I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faversham_explosives_industry#World_War_I)
Yes, that happened only 1km from the church.
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I`m 99.9% sure that it`s St. Mary, Luddenham.
Spot on Diapason. Grade 1 listed within the confines of Luddenham Court. It's very remote so I can't imagine a large congregation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddenham,_Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddenham,_Kent)
Over to you :)
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The church is located at:
- Grid: TQ 99236 63135
- Post: ME13 0TH
- WGS84: 51°19'37"N, 000°51'31"E
and there are more pictures of it at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Mary%27s_Church,_Luddenham (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Mary%27s_Church,_Luddenham)
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Another church that was demolished in favour of housing at least 10 years ago.
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Rural?
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ME9 postcode.
I`m uncertain when it was demolished, possibly very much longer than I previously estimated.
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Struggling with this one. Am I correct in thinking this was a Methodist Church?
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Iwade?
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Yes, a Methodist Church, JW
Wrong side of the M2, MartinR.
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Bredgar ?
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Spot on, JW.
Although I know the [size=78%] [/size]area quite well, I still cannot `pinpoint` the exact location of the church which I believe was on Silver Street. Perhaps Granderog can help?
Over to you!
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My knowledge of Bredgar in the 60s and early 70s was mainly confined to the interior of The Sun.
However a quick check on nls maps and there is a Methodist Chapel marked on Silver Street.
On GSV there is a footpath sign, adjacent to a very ecclesiastical boundary wall corner. The other side of a newish house is another corner post. Maple Dean.
The footpath is on the 1898 6inch map that shows the Chapel. So you are right, Silver Street it was.
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I can Confirm johnfilmer's post that there was a Wooden Wesleyan Chapel on Silver Street. It is now became part of Wesley Cottage.
There was also a the Methodist Chapel shown on Diapersons Guess. which was demolished in the 1980's
The Wooden Chapel is stiil there albeit much Modified as a House.
Planning app last year:-
Wesley Cottage Silver Street Bredgar Sittingbourne Kent ME9 8ES
Listed Building Consent for refurbishment of existing residential chapel building; replacement of existing windows and doors with double glazed timber windows and doors; repair of original sash windows; replacement of original shutters, new internal ground floor partition in cottage, and installation of Solar PV panels to garage roof,
Diapersons photo is of the second Methodist chapel at Bredgar. The first wooden one still stands in Silver Street as part of Wesley Cottage.
[/size]By 1868 funds had been raised to build a large brick chapel a little further up Silver Street, on the opposite side, where there was seating for 200. Faced with red brick it had a steeply pitched roof of Welsh slate.[/color][/size]
Sadly, in 1987, the brick built chapel was sold. The congregation had dwindled to a regular three, May Ingram, Winnie Hadlow and Eve Barton and the building was in poor repair. The last preacher at the chapel was Brian Davis. The chapel was then demolished and dated bricks from it were affixed to a wall inside Sittingbourne Methodist Church.
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Thanks Diapason. It was a lucky guess in the true spirit of GTP. :)
Next one: What and where. This was the view about 12 years ago. Much tidier now.
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A place with a quirky history.
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Rural? Mid Kent?
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I can Confirm johnfilmer's post that there was a Wooden Wesleyan Chapel on Silver Street. It is now became part of Wesley Cottage.
There was also a the Methodist Chapel shown on Diapersons Guess. which was demolished in the 1980's
The Wooden Chapel is stiil there albeit much Modified as a House.
Planning app last year:-
Wesley Cottage Silver Street Bredgar Sittingbourne Kent ME9 8ES
Listed Building Consent for refurbishment of existing residential chapel building; replacement of existing windows and doors with double glazed timber windows and doors; repair of original sash windows; replacement of original shutters, new internal ground floor partition in cottage, and installation of Solar PV panels to garage roof,
Diapersons photo is of the second Methodist chapel at Bredgar. The first wooden one still stands in Silver Street as part of Wesley Cottage.
By 1868 funds had been raised to build a large brick chapel a little further up Silver Street, on the opposite side, where there was seating for 200. Faced with red brick it had a steeply pitched roof of Welsh slate.
Sadly, in 1987, the brick built chapel was sold. The congregation had dwindled to a regular three, May Ingram, Winnie Hadlow and Eve Barton and the building was in poor repair. The last preacher at the chapel was Brian Davis. The chapel was then demolished and dated bricks from it were affixed to a wall inside Sittingbourne Methodist Church.
Thanks for the information granderog, I didn`t know that there was a previous chapel. The three names that you mentioned would have been known to my parents and the last preacher, Brian Davies, I have known for many years although I haven`t seen him lately. I believe he is still active at Hartlip Methodist Church.
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Rural? Mid Kent?
Rural - East Kent
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Head right from this location and you will join a busy coast road.
Continue over the coast road and you will end up at an important Roman site.
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A pub with a landlord who didn't respect legal closing times.
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Ringlestone ??
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I will take a stab and say the Roman Site is Richborough, the coastal road could be the A256. I will plump for somewhere near Sandwich.
DTT
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Not Ringlestone Diapason.
DTT is nearer but it's not near the A256.
Many years ago, had it been built, this pub would have probably been underwater to some degree.
Behind the camera position is a lane and then a stream and acres of flat land with dykes.
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North or south of A28?
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North or south of A28?
North of the A28 Shoot999. The name of the hamlet fits the location well.
The building in the foreground still remains. The pub is now residential and enlarged.
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Animals
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Would the hamlet be Marshside? No idea about the animals unless you are referring to Marshside Fishery.
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That is the old Hog and Donkey, at Marshside. Run by Dennis Maynard. A character of the old tradition.
DTT
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Would the hamlet be Marshside? No idea about the animals unless you are referring to Marshside Fishery.
Marshside is the correct hamlet MartinR
Animals relate to the pub name.
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That is the old Hog and Donkey, at Marshside. Run by Dennis Maynard. A character of the old tradition.
DTT
You have it DTT. Here's some more information on this pub and landlord.
http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Hog-and-Donkey-Marshside.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project-a/Hog-and-Donkey-Marshside.html)
Over to you DTT :)
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Thanks JW. A nice search, wish I had been to the pub.
Now, where is this? The road looks similar today, I use it every day. The wall to the left is intact. The building to the RHS has been demolished. It was a nursery. The road was once a main artery into this town, now cut off and a dead end. In its day double deck buses went up and down.
I am on the Flying Scotsman tomorrow (Thursday) for a trip around Kent, so will be offline from around 12 noon, good searching. I will be back around 9pm. Good luck.
DTT.
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Hmm, I'm envious.
There's a substantial church in the background, is this Canterbury?
Did I mention I'm envious?
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Not Canterbury Martin, but within about 13 miles. But a major town, that had one major employer. Sadly, a bit past its prime now.
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This looks familiar but it's not coming to me yet. Need another shot of caffeine :D
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Circling back to Martins answer earlier, its not a church. But it is a large building with a tower not dissimilar to a church tower. Although for an entirely different purpose. The building stills stands today, in full sight.
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Ashford??
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It is Ashford, Rog.
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Thanks DTT .Time to start trawling see if i can find it before John Walker :) :)
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Thanks DTT .Time to start trawling see if i can find it before John Walker :) :)
;)
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Time for a clue, Martins tower (mentioned earlier) was located where it was for a very important reason of power. Lillian is commemorated nearby having arrived in 1910 and not leaving for another 45 years.
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Clues haven't helped .I may be totally wrong.The only place i can find that bears any resemblance is East Hill which has ramp with railings on left and what looks like it is the Flour Mill Tower in the far left. It looks right when viewed on Google maps.
JW must be losing his touch I thought he would have scored first.
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You have it grandarog. Well done. The tower is Pledges Flour Mill at the bottom of East Hill.
My reference to Lillian, is one Lillian Brake who was the headmistress of the School (Ashford Girls) from 1928 - 1955. She first arrived in 1910. She is commerated with Brake Hall, the main hall of the school.
Miss Brakes remarkable career can be found here:
http://ashfordschool-heritage.daisy.websds.net/Filename.ashx?systemFileName=ASHG1955_42_003sum.pdf&origFilename=ASHG1955_42_003sum.pdf
Over to Rog.
DTT
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BTW, the flour mill was water powered, hence DTT's clever reference to " a very important reason of power".
Nearly forgot, camera is at:
- Grid: TR 01276 42782
- WGS84: 51°08'56"N, 000°52'35"E or 51.148897,0.876429
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Thanks Dave the Train. That was a hard slog .There's a lot of roads in Ashford and I was looking for Church towers in the background which didn't help. Next guess up soon when I sort one out.
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Clues haven't helped .I may be totally wrong.The only place i can find that bears any resemblance is East Hill which has ramp with railings on left and what looks like it is the Flour Mill Tower in the far left. It looks right when viewed on Google maps.
JW must be losing his touch I thought he would have scored first.
;D Well done, Grandarog. I must cut down on the whiskey .....
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I must cut down on the whiskey
- Nah, just come back to Bonnie Scotland from foreign parts. ;)
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Soon be cheaper to run the car on Whisky rather than drinking it JW.
Here we go with the next one .
Please have a go if you have never tried before.No one will laugh at you if you get the guessing wrong. Come and have a go.
Swale Area.
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ooh, i know this... I will sit it out for a bit to let others guess. ;D
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On or off the island?
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Local knowledge from my yoof, so I’ll sit tight.
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No one will laugh at you if you get the guessing wrong. Come and have a go.
I think I would like really to guess some of these but I dont have the local knowledge. Maybe one of days I will see a Maidstone one and smile as I get it lol.
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On the Mainland.
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Milton Regis?
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Nearly adjoins and bigger ,urban.
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So Sittingbourne?
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Yup ,Sittingbourne it is but where.??
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I presume it's a pub. If it is does it operate as a pub?
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Not a Pub it is a Semi Detached house that was up for sale when the photo was taken.
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I assume there is something special about it or its history. There are quite a few semis in Sittingbourne that are just plain ordinary.
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Slight historical importance attached to the houses there. More in the Name of the place.The pre WW2 development was named after a local family who figured large in the First world war.
Clue East of the town centre.
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Still searching ;D
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Sittingbourne's south side near Chilton Manor?
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Greenstreet area? Connections with the Honeyball Family?
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To far East JW. Luton man is very close. A coupleof family houses disapeared from the area. :)
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Your contribution is very apt - Stuart - your job is very important too - essential I should say !
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Trotts Hall Gardens by the small roundabout.
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Well done John. Can you explain the WWI reference?
Camera at:- Grid: TQ 90895 63396
- WGS84: 51°20'15"N 000°44'21"E or 51.3376018,0.7391828
- Post code: ME10 4DG
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Well done John. Can you explain the WWI reference?
Camera at:- Grid: TQ 90895 63396
- WGS84: 51°20'15"N 000°44'21"E or 51.3376018,0.7391828
- Post code: ME10 4DG
I couldn't find the connection. Someone will know 😉
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DtT. Following your day out, can we expect a series of GtP taken from the Flying Scot- although I doubt it went anywhere near Maidstone to help Bill?
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DtT. Following your day out, can we expect a series of GtP taken from the Flying Scot- although I doubt it went anywhere near Maidstone to help Bill?
A good question Dave. As it happens I did not take any photos. I could not get near the engine at Canterbury or Folketone (the two stopping points) due to the huge numbers of photographers and sightseers. It was a real crush.
It was a great day out, although we were delayed a little.
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John Walker triumphs again.
For Info . The WW1 connection was that the Trotts Hall houses were built along with Glovers Crescent on the old Glovers Estate Grounds by the Council in 1926-1928 as part of the post WW1 need to provide more housing.
During WW 1 Glovers House was a VAD Hospital . Trotts Hall House which stood roughly where Jarmans Solicitors Building is now.Was dismantled brick by brick and rebuilt at Milstead where it is now.
Photo house as is more recently.
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Thanks Grandarog
I actually found it by searching street by street on the overhead Google maps, looking for a house with that roof layout and a small roundabout close to it. I nearly gave up as I was going cross-eyed after a while :o .
Next one ... Might be difficult but can just be seen on GSV through trees. It can be seen on the overhead views and is captioned when zoomed in.
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Ooh, I thought, JW is losing it, he’s left the nameplate on the photo... :(
Trotts Hall Gardens, at the bottom of Bell Road (or Bell Lane as some locals still insist on calling it) was on my route from Borden Grammar (boys), via the Girls Grammar then escorting the young lady to the station for her train back to Sheerness. I was 16 ;)
So JW, a rough area clue would be nice.
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Is it a chapel, at a guess ex-Primitive Methodist?
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Methodist Chapel. East Kent. Rural
( I didn't give clues to start with in case someone recognised it and wanted to go for it)
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Methodist Chapel. East Kent. Rural
( I didn't give clues to start with in case someone recognised it and wanted to go for it)
In a high-risk flood area.
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A hamlet with an unusual name that I haven't been able to find the origin of so far.
Very close to a very old pub with a small stream beside the pub garden.
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Travel east from this church and you'll very quickly be in marshland. Travel north or south and you'll meet A roads heading for the coast.
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I think its the Weslyn Chapel at Boyden Gate... and I have not got a church one before (I think) so if I am correct it might be time to buy a lottery ticket!
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I think its the Weslyn Chapel at Boyden Gate... and I have not got a church one before (I think) so if I am correct it might be time to buy a lottery ticket!
Go get that lottery ticket DTT ;D . Spot on.
Over to you...
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As Bill has kindly put a picture up, we could run with Bill's picture. I assume everyone is happy with that, it helps draw more folks into the game. Assuming Bill you are happy?
DTT
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I was looking in the completely wrong place for the Chapel. However Bill’s picture is instantly recognisable so I’ll sit this one out.
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As usual:
- Grid: TR 22260 65641
- Code: CT3 4EF
- WGS84: 51°20'47"N, 001°11'25"E or 51.34637,1.19016
JW: I checked Doomesday and Hasted and there were no references to Boyden apart from a couple of people mentioned in the latter. It's not mentioned either in the Kent Hundred Rolls of 1274-5. The Kent pubs website, http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Gate-Inn-Marshside.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Gate-Inn-Marshside.html), hazards a guess that the gate pub is named for it's proximity to the gate of the Arch Bishop of Canterbury's Hunting lodge at Ford.
One thing that Hasted does mention however is under the Rivers section. Talking about the Chislet area he says:These waters, especially the Nethergong, are at most times narrow inconsiderable streams, being continually crossed by wears, gates, &c. set up as well by the commissioners of sewers, as private persons, for the convenience of the levels, though in the time of floods they are both frequently increased to a great width, and run with vast force and rapidity into the sea.
so it's just possible that the gate as in the place and the pub is named for a nearby sluice. Looking at the map the place seems to be a maze of drains and streams so this is (I hope) not too far fetched.
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Faversham?
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Hello Bill thanks for joining in. I'le sit this out as well. We had this place on a while ago ,if I remember right.
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Maidstone?
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I dont think Bill is watching, so has either misinserted his image or is offline. I shall put a new image up to keep the ball rolling.
Sowhere is this market square?
DTT
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That is the "The Square " Birchington .One of the many postcards showing the "New Inn"
http://www.dover-kent.com/New-Inn-Birchington.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/New-Inn-Birchington.html)
Bill's guess was a bit of the architecture of the "Thirsty Pig "pub Maidstone .
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You have it Grandarog, i had hope it being Thanet it would last a little longer. But i guess a major intersection, i should have cropped the image a little more.
DTT
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Lets try a change .Which town was this receiving their Tank after WW1.
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Ashford?
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Not Ashford :(
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The only other one I can think of is Tonbridge?
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John Walker strikes again :) :) .Next Please.
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Thanks again Grandarog - It was just a guess so I haven't any info to put up.
Next one folks ....
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Thanks again Grandarog - It was just a guess so I haven't any info to put up.
Next one folks ....
Can be seen on GSV.
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The main west (actually southwest) door of 'Old St James' Church, Castle Hill Road, Dover'
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I thought you might recognise it CAT. So, over to you for another of your teasers ;D
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Many thanks John Walker.
'Old' St James' Church is very interesting structure with its origins dating back to the twelfth century at least. There was an addition on the south side in the fourteenth century which housed the Court for the Chancery and Admiralty Courts of the Cinque Ports, as well as the Court of Lodemanage. It was heavily altered during the late eighteenth - early nineteenth century which included a new south aisle, which itself was almost as large as the original church, but was sadly heavily damaged by a direct bomb strike during WWII. This left the building virtually unrepairable and was subsequently consolidated into a 'Tidy ruin'.
Here is my next, which is well away from my own traditional stomping ground, but could be very familiar to others on the forum?
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Hi Cat. I know where this is, but as the GTP is becoming a group of very few people guessing,I will put up the street view picture to see if any others can have a go at finding the place.
If no one gets it within a few days I will claim it.
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You certainly do have it grandarog and your pic illustrates it very nicely as it is at present (not that it has changed much since my pic of early twentieth century). I'm happy for any delay to encourage others, but I wonder if a few days is a bit too long to keep others waiting?
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PLEASE FOLKS COME AND HAVE A GUESS .
WE HAVE NEARLY 200 MEMBERS AND ONLY ABOUT A DOZEN THAT TRY TO GUESS THE PLACES .
LETS HAVE SOME NEW BLOOD NO ONE WILL LAUGH IF YOU GET IT WRONG.
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i know this also. Again, i will give it a day or so.
DTT
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Chiddingstone Post Office?
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It is indeed Chiddingstone (post office) Beachbum.
Over to you
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Reply to grandarog - A few replies - quite a few replies - are in parts of unknown to others. I, myself - do not known enough about East Kent
to even hazard - a guess. But, have said that - i will from time to time - hazard a guess. I did get ONE right - many moons ago
One place I did had an interest in was - Cliffs-End-Hall - a mansion - near Ramsgate.
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For Chiddingstone Post Office the camera was at:
- Grid: TQ 50067 45169
- Code: TN8 7AH
- WGS 84: 51°11'10"N, 000°08'45"E or 51.1860567,0.1459005
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Thank you CAT.
The Church opposite has an interesting Family History linked to the Castle.
So next up has changed its purpose in recent years?
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Now a holiday let I believe. Passing on this one again.
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East Kent?
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Has the look of Thanet for some reason?
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It is Thanet and grandarog is correct on usage now.............
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Found it, but I'll hold back as well. Might just get some new players if we give them chance.
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I have not, i am looking around Broadstairs at the moment.
DTT
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I have not, i am looking around Broadstairs at the moment.
DTT
It's nice there. ;D
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Kingsgate (Thanet) area?
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Further South .
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Indeed, thanks grandarog 8)
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Come on you lot - if I can find it - you all can ;D ;D ;D
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i cannot, and i have been driving it on GSV and went to school there!
DTT
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I think a couple more clues might be needed BeachBum :)
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Okay folks, 2 clues for you..........
Beer and Guns? nearby
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Hythe?
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Stay in Thanet Diapason.
When I say nearby, next to in fact.............
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The Old Parish Hall, 41 Royal Road, Ramsgate?
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Well after that decent address from John it hardly seems worth dropping in the references, but here goes, as usual:
- Grid: TR 37793 64626
- Code: CT11 9LF
- WGS84: 51°19'52"N 001°24'44"E or 51.33098,001.412116
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Spot on johnfilmer....
So next door is The Artillery Arms Pub.
Lovely internally restoration done.
Over to you.............
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I have gone back to a map GTP again. Its cropped back to avoid easy connections with named places nearby, but I thought a lost Race Course worthy of the game.
Mid Kent. Modern field shape is almost the same.
Map is from nls, 25inch OS, 1896/7
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Maidstone area?
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Go ESE from Maidstone...
On top of a hill.
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Would that take us to Ashford?
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Not as far as Ashford, and on a bigger hill than you find in the town.
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Charing Racecourse?
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“Lost” race course JW, and Charing is at the bottom of the hill...
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Is that Wye racecourse, the road being Olantigh Road. If so the wood shown top left is Well Shave Wood.
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Next to Rushmore Wood, North of Lenham.
51.249790638728015, 0.7205437377577623
Interestingly, the footpaths still show on this 2013 view.
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You have it JW, on top of the Downs, next to the Faversham Road.
Interestingly (to me at least) various forebears lived at Woodside Green, the hamlet on the right, others at West Street, the group of houses to the north, and more at Flint Barn Farm, just off to the left of these views.
I’ve yet to find other references to races, but haven’t looked very hard!
Edit.. just checked with Mr Google, and it was a greyhound racing track from 1840’s. Will look further.
Back to you JW.
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Interesting. When you have more information John, please post it. What, for instance, was its correct name? I'd looked on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_racecourses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_racecourses) but couldn't see anything.
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Thank you JohnFilmer - that was quite a hunt.
I'll hold back on the next one for a few hours, to allow discussion on your racecourse to continue. I found this online. Looks like it was named Lenham Racecourse.
The Google link has the words Greyhound Derby but the info relates to horse racing there.
http://www.greyhoundderby.com/Lenham%20Racecourse.html (http://www.greyhoundderby.com/Lenham%20Racecourse.html)
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A bit of info about The Lenham Racecourse.
http://www.greyhoundderby.com/Lenham%20Racecourse.html
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Just to add to previous posts about Lenham Racecourse - I have found nothing helpful. We all found the greyhound article, but there seems to be little else floating in the ether. NLS maps have 6inch and 25inch of 1902/3 and later 1930s that show the field as "Old Race Course", but that's about it.
I even plodded through about 20pages of Hasted just in case there was an earlier reference to the course, but no luck.
Carry on regardless...
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Just to add to previous posts about Lenham Racecourse - I have found nothing helpful. We all found the greyhound article, but there seems to be little else floating in the ether. NLS maps have 6inch and 25inch of 1902/3 and later 1930s that show the field as "Old Race Course", but that's about it.
I even plodded through about 20pages of Hasted just in case there was an earlier reference to the course, but no luck.
Carry on regardless...
I find it strange that it's referred to as a greyhound racecourse but the info on the link relates to horses? Greyhounds race on Racetracks and horses race on Racecourses.
The course was on Lenham Hill, a short distance from the town centre, and opened with a Sweepstake won by Mr Brigg’s brown mare Fanny.The Lenham meeting was very well supported by Mr J S Douglas whose trainer was Drewitt. His horses were mostly ridden by George Fordham who rode the Squire of Lenham’s Derby favourite, Tournament, in the Epsom Derby of 1857, but it was beaten by Blink Bonny. The final meeting took place on Friday 29th June 1860.
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I think the racecourse discussion is finished, so here's the next one.
Where is this and what is it's history?
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Are we back in Canterbury?
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Easy to see on GSV. East of Ashford
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Are we back in Canterbury?
Not Canterbury this time :)
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This building had thousands of visitors over the years
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How precisely East (remember I'm a sailor and tend to think of bearings fairly precisely)? As far as Dover?
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How precisely East (remember I'm a sailor and tend to think of bearings fairly precisely)? As far as Dover?
Almost as easterly as you can go in Kent
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Broadstairs ? Cant go much farther East with dry feet. :)
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Deal? Or Kingsdown?
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Broadstairs ? Cant go much farther East with dry feet. :)
Adjoining town Grandrog.
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Deal? Or Kingsdown?
Sorry if I've misled you MartinR, My clues were generalising rather than specific. Grandarog is very close but wrong town.
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The former Ramsgate Hospital?
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You have it Beachbum. The Ramsgate General Hospital, now residential. I wondered if you would get it first. Guessing you have connections with the area.
51.33071203433421, 1.410873221349325
Over to you ...
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Thanks JW, I was born there (no blue plaque yet).
Okay folks, try this one..........
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Not far from last place, I will wait a while give others a chance.
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It had connections to Ashford.............
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Anything to do with the Dreamland site. I seem to recall there being a hall that could feed over 1000 during one of the wars. Might have been a railway station?
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You are at the right spot JW.
So this was a former Station of the South Eastern Railway (1846) known as the Margate Sands Station. It is adjacent to the Dreamland Cinema and opposite the Main Beach.It became the MCC Casino Ballroom and then a Restaurant.
Over to you John Walker.............
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Best coordinates I can get are:
- WGS84: 51°23'11"N, 001°22'30"E or 51.3863771,1.3749312
- Post code: CT9 1XP or 1XN
- Grid ref: TR 34918 70664
It must have been quite a ballroom. At that length you'd only get half way around before the music stopped. Great for quicksteps! :)
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Thanks Beachbum. I recall reading about somewhere in or near Dreamland being requisitioned as a reception centre for soldiers returning from the war. I can't find it now :(
Next one - where and what?
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It might have been this John.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201825 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201825)
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201828 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201828)
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Looks a bit like my pre WW2 memory of Darland Banks?- apart from the seat!
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It might have been this John.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201825 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201825)
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201828 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205201828)
Also just found this ...
DREAMLAND, MARGATE 1940s
The first half of Dreamland’s 1940s was, of course, dominated by the war effort on the home front and overseas. The cinema and ballroom initially remained open at the outbreak of World War II, though any prospects for anything like a normal summer season in 1940 were abandoned when the entire Dreamland site was requisitioned by the Government. This June 1940 order was made on the back of the Dunkirk evacuation, where thousands of British and Allied soldiers were rescued from the beaches after being cut off by the German army.
The restaurants served as treatment centres for the wounded and the ballroom was converted to a makeshift dormitory for troops. Meanwhile, the Garden Café was used as an interrogation centre to root out possible spies and armers. 2,000 troops were later stationed at Dreamland, including many from the Entertainment National Service Association (better known as ENSA), including actor Jack Warner of Dixon of Dock Green fame and Ralph Reader, creator of The Gang Show.
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Looks a bit like my pre WW2 memory of Darland Banks?- apart from the seat!
Not Darland Banks Dave Smith. Need to head South East.
The seat replaced two large stones that have been re-sited.
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Overlooks a large village situated on a well used A Road.
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Is that the A20?
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Is that the A20?
Yes MartinR - it's the A20. :)
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Just visible in the far distance from the A20 but not enough to make it out unless you know it. However, its next to something connected and man-made that's even larger and is visible from the A20.
You can get very close with the same view as my photo on GSV.
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There used to be a hospital fairly close.
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Would that be the Lenham War Memorial?
The Lenham Hospital was a TB base and the cross was for local WW1 victims (42) and then WW2 local victims.
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Another view showing access from the lane/footpath: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2416396,0.7286197,2a,75y,333.44h,92.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0h-ZNTuRFdlT8eR8CtyByQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2416396,0.7286197,2a,75y,333.44h,92.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0h-ZNTuRFdlT8eR8CtyByQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
Location info:- Grid: TQ 90552 52721
- Post code*: ME17 2HA
- WGS84: 51°14'31"N, 000°43'43"E or 51.2418349,0.7286259
*Nearest
Note that the footpath is the North Downs Way National Trail and there is no vehicular access along this stretch. According to GSV access from the West is in a better state for wheelchairs/mobility scooters/buggys.
One I must try to get out and see. Thanks John.
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You have it Beachbum - over to you ...
The monument, measuring 61m by 21m, was supported by a memorial stone surrounded by iron railings at the base, recording the names of the 42 Lenham villagers who died in the First World War.
A second stone, with the names of the 14 killed in the Second World War was added later, but in 1960 both were moved to the north entrance of St Mary’s Church to make it easier for infirm mourners to visit them.
During the Second World War, the cross was covered over to prevent it being a marker for enemy aircraft.
It 1983, it underwent a major renovation with 40 tonnes of chalk added.Historic England’s citation states: “The memorial is rather unusual when compared with other war memorials as it was carved by hand directly into the chalk of the North Downs as a hill-figure cross and prominent landmark by Mr Freddie Baldock, with help from local volunteers.
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The cross is a grade II listed building (sic): https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1438738?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1438738?section=official-list-entry)
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An interesting monument, thanks John Walker and MartinR
next up, where is this and who used it (including me)?
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Two thoughts cross my mind: either a tearoom somewhere, or else a maternity hospital. Probably weird!
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So more known as a Cafe, so good guess MartinR
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Did it attract large numbers of rockers?
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That's the old Bikers cafe on the A20 between Maidstone and Lenham. If my memory is right I think we called it the Halfway ,Bit scary if a load of Hells Angels turned up..
Think it closed during the 1990's .Is it still there?
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Any closer location than "between Maidstone and Lenham"? It won't help but some of the old A20 is now beneath the M20.
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Yes, still there near Brands Hatch. it's a Chartered Accountants and they have photos from the rocker days around the building, and a scrapbook in reception.
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I think it was near the bottom of a hill near Harrietsham,I might be wrong was years ago.
I don't think the Brands hatch site shoot999 mentions s this Cafe unless i am totally barmy. :)
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Prior to mods & rockers, it was the cafe of choice for cycling clubs from Kent & S/SE London. Called the Singing Kettle in those days; nearer Lenham than Maidstone & on the S.side of the A20.
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There's a suspicious looking location at 51.2439336,0.6606018 It looks like a forcourt, but there are no buildings there now.
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Going by the roofline, I was thinking it was the one near Bluewater on the old A2 now (A296).
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Okay everyone, so it was the Halfway Cafe at Harrietsham on the A20.
It was the Hermitage Cafe in the 1920's and was famous for the Hells Angels and their Custom Bike Show in the 80's.
The Site became a property development in the 90's.
At it's peek, 4,000 bikers were there for the Custom Bike Show. The Police stayed in the Road and the Angels looked after the site.They then purchased a farm on the Marshes for their Show.
I remember passing the Lenham Cross at great speed on Sunday afternoons on the A20.
So Grandarog has it.............
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I think it was near the bottom of a hill near Harrietsham,I might be wrong was years ago.
I don't think the Brands hatch site shoot999 mentions s this Cafe unless i am totally barmy. :)
Yes. I was mixing it up with Johnson's Cafe
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Thanks Beachbum.
I thought i had had a senior moment for a while there. :(
Lets try this one . Clue to start you off DA postcode.
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A chancer of a guess. Remains of the Vox Amplification factory in Dartford?
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Good guess but wrong.
Clue:- near water
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Good guess but wrong.
Clue:- near water
The Thames?
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A chancer of a guess. Remains of the Vox Amplification factory in Dartford?
As a Kent teen growing up in the sixties and heavily into music, there was much to be proud of. Not least it being the home of the AC30. :)
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Yes the Thames is very close.
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Found it, but will hold back for now :)
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Clue ,easily visible on street View.
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Gone very Quiet,
Another Clue .
Very near the Thames.
West of Gravesend but not as far as Ebbsfleet.
Keep looking :) :)
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Gone very Quiet,
Another Clue .
Very near the Thames.
West of Gravesend but not as far as Ebbsfleet.
Keep looking :) :)
If nobody else gets it soon, I'll go for it to keep things moving :)
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How near is "very near"? Are we talking waterside, or a few streets inland?
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I think it had its own jetty in use at one time.
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I've worked there on their drains. Britannia Refined Metals in Northfleet.
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I noticed that their jetty still has rail tracks and a mini-turntable.
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Factory location:
- Grid: TQ 61351 75286
- Post code: DA11 9BG
- WGS84: 51°27'13"N, 000°19'15"E or 51.45347,0.32084
I can't give a camera location because that particular view is not on GSV.
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Brittania Refined Metals .Northfleet. It is on street view quite clear from Manor Way.
Your turn MartinR :)
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I've worked there on their drains. Britannia Refined Metals in Northfleet.
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I've worked there on their drains. Britannia Refined Metals in Northfleet.
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I worked there for 18 mths .2 showers a day .Pb Blood test every month. Never been so clean in my life as then :)
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Brittania Refined Metals .Northfleet. It is on street view quite clear from Manor Way.
Your turn MartinR :)
I've tried numerous GSV and Google Earth views from different years and I cannot get the view that you show Grandarog. Now I'm curious. :D
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I've been up and down Manor Way virtually and can't get the same shot, so I'm afraid I've got to agree with John, I can't find the view on GSV.
Oh, and first Stuart, then John identified the place before I posted any co-ordinates, it was only then that I managed to find it, so I think the honours goes to Stuart.
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There is no problem seeing the building on SV,. Look to the right from where Lower Road joins manor Way .The Brick Building with the Antemnnas is just behind and to the left of the main Reception building.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4537122,0.3204925,3a,75y,82.64h,80.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svKSmxyW1uX5JqD8nFT4W0Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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I agree that the building is on GSV, it's just that the particular shot you used isn't. Specifically one which shows the roof line of the building behind superimposed and apparently belonging to the brick building. Frankly though it doesn't really matter, being on GSV is not a requirement, and both Stuart and John found it. I'd never have found it without their assistance (looking in the wrong place) but once they pointed it out I got there. It was a good puzzle though, for it shows how these souless modern industrial estates can still hide historical buildings within them. Thanks.
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MartinR ,sorry if I caused confusion .My Guess photo wasn't taken from GESV it was from a publicity pack produced while I was working there. For all I know the asbestos shed behind the brick building may well have been demolished by now The one on street view looks tin clad and much lower than i remember.
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This is how I found quickly - GSV 3D. Picked it out quite quickly as I worked along the riverside.
I didn't go for it as I've had quite a few lately and running short of material. Have managed to put a few together since, so ready to go on the next one - assuming I guess it of course :D
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I think I found it first, though Martins answer was more complete than the rules demand. It was your pic Grandarog, whose go is it now?
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Oh, and first Stuart, then John identified the place before I posted any co-ordinates, it was only then that I managed to find it, so I think the honours goes to Stuart.
Quite agree Stuart.
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I think as I only needed Brittania Refined metals as the answer and Stuart came up with it first ,on the 15th as arbiter, and heeding MartinR's post, I will give it to
stuartwaters.
Over to you for the next teaser :)
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Thank you. Unfortunately, I've been at work since Friday night in Hastings, right next to the beach. This is the best I can do. What and where is this? Little clue to start you off, ME postcode area.
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Some sort of interceptor at a water treatment works?
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Getting there JB. It's to do with the sewage system, but unusually for this kind of asset, it (or rather they) are/is not located in a sewage Treatment works.
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An experimental natural water purification system where the water passes through plants, like reeds?
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Settling tanks?
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(Ex) military?
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No, no and no.
The reeds were not supposed to be there, in fact getting rid of them and all the silt and accumulated detritus was the reason I was there.
Not settlement tanks, but similar. The water and sewage is only supposed to go into them occasionally and its not supposed to stay there long.
The site to my knowledge has never had a military connection.
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I'm thinking, temporary storage in cases of flood/tide levels. Near to water ie. River/creek etc ?
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Kind of right, but nothing to do with tides. Yes, a non-tidal stretch of watercourse just to the right, out of shot. Like I mentioned earlier, this kind of asset is usually found in a Sewage Works, but these are some distance (a couple of miles in fact) from the Sewage Works which they serve.
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Kind of right, but nothing to do with tides. Yes, a non-tidal stretch of watercourse just to the right, out of shot. Like I mentioned earlier, this kind of asset is usually found in a Sewage Works, but these are some distance (a couple of miles in fact) from the Sewage Works which they serve.
To help out, here is a list of the Sewage Works in the ME Postcode Area, in no particular order:
Motney Hill
Middle Stoke
Whitewall Creek
Ham Hill
Queenborough
Aylesford
Sittingbourne
Teynham
Faversham
Coxheath
Sutton Valence
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Still searching. All the works with nearby waterways that I've found so far are tidal. ::) :)
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Hopefully neither Coxheath or Sutton Valence are too tidal...
A couple of miles from the bottom of Sutton Hill takes you near Headcorn and it’s various waterways. Likewise from Dean Street that could take you to the Loose Valley.
Not found any sign yet, about to go out, will return later.
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Hopefully neither Coxheath or Sutton Valence are too tidal...
A couple of miles from the bottom of Sutton Hill takes you near Headcorn and it’s various waterways. Likewise from Dean Street that could take you to the Loose Valley.
Not found any sign yet, about to go out, will return later.
I've searched those areas without success. I was wary of coming too far south or I would be out of the ME postcode area. The only main waterway I could find was the River Beault but found nothing along there. Still scratching head ;D
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Can't believe I have you stumped JW. Time for another clue methinks.
Castle nearby.
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On the Hoo Peninsula/ME3?
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On the Hoo Peninsula/ME3?
Well, there's a works near Upnor Castle, but I can't find a non-tidal watercourse there. ..... Still searching :)
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At last - bottom end of Castle Road, Aylesford. 51.289995490881374, 0.5087998564703421
As you mentioned, it's a long way from the works. What is its purpose?
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The honours go to you JW. They are storm holding tanks for the large sewage pumping station a little further up the road.
Maidstone and the surrounding area has a Combined Sewer system. This means that the sewers take the rain water as well as the foul stuff. In conditions of heavy rain, the pumping stations and sewage works are unable to cope with the sheer volume of water trying to get through the system. The wet well at Allington Water Pump Station spills over into those tanks and when conditions calm down, the water is drained back into the wet well, from where its pumped to Aylesford Sewage Works (which doesn't have storm tanks).
Pretty much all the sewage from Maidstone and the surrounding area goes through Allington, so it's a substantial pumping station.
Motney Hill and most of the others I listed earlier have storm tanks on site.
If those tanks are unable to cope (ie if they fill up) they spill through a screen into the Medway, upstream from Allington Locks (hence non-tidal).
Over to you JW.
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So much for my logic!
Well done JW :)
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Very interesting information StuartWaters. I can't see where the 'Wet Well' is at the Allington Lock area. Is it underground? I'm guessing it must be enormous?
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Very interesting information StuartWaters. I can't see where the 'Wet Well' is at the Allington Lock area. Is it underground? I'm guessing it must be enormous?
On Google Earth:
From the tanks, follow the river towards Maidstone and just before you get to Ford's Wharf, there's a cross-shaped building, similar to a church when viewed from the air. That and the group of buildings adjacent to it comprise the Pumping Station. How much of that complex is still actually in use, I can't say. Southern Water have a habit of decommissioning plant but leaving it in place until its either in the way of something new or becomes dangerously derelict and needs demolition for safety reasons.
Considering that Central Maidstone, Allington and the surrounding area flows into it, I would say yes, it is quite large....
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I see it now. there appears to be a row of enormous 'archimedes' screws going deep into an underground chamber. I presume they were the lift pumps? The tank is under the building you mentioned then?
All quite fascinating to me. :)
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I believe the Archemedes Screws are a holdover from when the site was a sewage works. They may be redundant now. Some small sewage works have been converted into large pumping stations. Two others which spring to mind are The Strand in Gillingham and Hoo. The Strand, Gillingham now pumps to Motney Hill and Hoo pumps to Whitewall Creek.
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Right - time for the next one ...
This might be instantly recognisable to some of you.
What and Where?
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Easy to see on Google
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Some sort of explosives factory or storage?
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Some sort of explosives factory or storage?
Certainly explosives storage. I can't find any mention of manufacture. The area has quite a history dating back to the 1800s. Sold for redevelopment now.
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Some where on the Hoo Peninsular ?
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Some where on the Hoo Peninsular ?
Yes Grandarog :)
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Amazing history, right up to fairly recent times.
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Thousands of barrels of gunpowder were stored here. Close by is a Northern Ireland and an Afganistan connection.
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Looks like Chattenden?
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Looks like Chattenden?
Spot on Lutonman. Well done. Over to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattenden_and_Lodge_Hill_Military_Camps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattenden_and_Lodge_Hill_Military_Camps)
And for the current views and insights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AW6Gc_SwxQ&list=PL-aecpC-iG-g3DGstmM00klot-Ljo429e&index=83 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AW6Gc_SwxQ&list=PL-aecpC-iG-g3DGstmM00klot-Ljo429e&index=83)
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There was a network of both narrow (2'6") gauge and standard gauge railways linking the sites and down to Upnor. On the standard gauge some of Aveling & Porter's "traction engine" style (2-2-0T and 0-4-0T) locos were used. To transport personnel between site the narrow gauge line coaches were built. Four survive as numbers 196, 199, 200 and 204 on the Sittingbourne & Kemsley light railway. See the Chattendon and Upnor Railway link below for more details.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattenden_and_Upnor_Railway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattenden_and_Upnor_Railway)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sittingbourne_and_Kemsley_Light_Railway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sittingbourne_and_Kemsley_Light_Railway)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aveling_and_Porter#Locomotives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aveling_and_Porter#Locomotives)
and in case anyone is still looking for it:- Grid: TQ 75378 73015
- Post code: ME3 8NE
- WGS84: 51°25'44"N 000°31'17"E or 51.4290022,0.5214011
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Thanks John Walker, spent many hours and days at Chattenden and Lodge hill with gas leaks and new construction work. Once we had to put a new supply into the Barracks and the connection point was way across a very muddy field. The RE's laid a metal track road for us to use.
Try this one should be easy, what building is this "tower" being put on to?
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Is it Christchurch in Luton, Chatham Lutonman?
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Well done Stewie, I thought a local would get it quickly. Yes it's the tower on the new (1984) church it has the original 1843 toll bell in it although it has an automatic ringing system which can vary the strike rate.
51.37156125779581, 0.5461970864104069
Over to you
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Thanks Lutonman, I haven't been entering GTP for some time as I don't really have anything to challenge you with, however Mrs Stewie and myself went for a walk on Wednesday and passed this fine example of graffiti. The bridge is viewable on GSV but not in its painted form. I guess that you will either know this or not so may need some clues later!
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I'm fairly certain I've found it. If I'm correct, there's a similar design at the other end. I'll hold back for now in case we attract a new participant - and of course, I could be wrong ;D
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You are correct that there is a similar design on the other side John Walker so you are probably there, to narrow it down slightly the bridge is a footpath under a railway line, we were heading for the station after our walk.
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Is that a railway line above the bridge? Oops, you posted whilst I was typing!
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Our walk took us along a section of the Kent coast starting and ending at a (different) railway station
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North Kent coast?
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Yes Shoot999, I suspect JW knows the location, but if he has not shown his hand by tomorrow I will give some more info.
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I'll still hold off for a while as I've done a few GTPs lately. Stewie's next clues will hopefully lead one of you to the location.
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OK for another pointer, the picture on the bridge gives a clue to the town its in. The bridge recently featured in a local internet article concerning the removal of graffiti from Network Rail structures.
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Are we talking near Whitstable?
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Well actually in Whitstable Lutonman! Mrs Stewie and me had walked from Faversham railway station to Whitstable via the Saxon Shore Way and after a cop of tea in the castle gardens, was making our way to the station via a lovely footpath leading from 'Stream Walk'. The footpath is decorated along its length by artistic murals of which the picture on the bridge forms part.
The bridge itself is (just) visible on GSV (see attached), and was also featured in an article in Kent Online, concerning Network Rail cleaning their structures of graffiti (see attached), though I don't believe that they meant this one. Back to you then Lutonman.
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After a bit of digging from Stewie's GSV image:
- Grid ref: TR11061 66294
- Post code: CT5 1NL
- WGS84: 51°21'23"N, 001°01'48"E or 51.356498,1.029984
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Stewie,
I have since found the article about the Graffiti, [size=78%]Over 400 graffiti-smeared sites cleared and painted across London and the South East as part of Network Rail’s £2m project to clean up the railway - Network Rail (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/over-400-graffiti-smeared-sites-cleared-and-painted-across-london-and-the-south-east-as-part-of-network-rails-2m-project-to-clean-up-the-railway/)[/size]
I'll post the next one shortly
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Next one, move inland
You will need to look up
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Canterbury?
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The former Sun Alliance Office, the Parade, Canterbury?
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Yes, you have it beachbum. That was a clue in my Canterbury treasure trail.
Over to you
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Thanks Lutonman.
Back in the days of local companies that you could deal with a person direct and not a call centre................
Okay, the next one has a clue within. So where and who?
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Coastal ?
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Yes JW
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Is that the end of Ramsgate beach station where the turntable was? Can't find any record of Yuma - was he a circus performer?
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Spot on JW 8) Please see attached image of the Location.
The mystery is that I have no idea who or what Yuma is, perhaps someone out there will?
Otherwise over to you JW
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No idea about Yuma.Maybe it was to do with the Mechanical Elephant that used to walk up and down at Margate. The gentle man presumably Yuma certainly looks to be Eastern by his dress.
The Margate Wetherspoons is named after it.The period of the photo would fit.
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Thanks Beachbum.
I searched all over for Yuma without success.
Next one ..
What and where?
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Is that the scrub land at TR 38647 64863?
EDIT: I should have been clearer, is the Ramsgate turntable now the scrub land at TR 38647 64863?
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Looks like Hoo Railway junction and Depot
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Looks like Hoo Railway junction and Depot
That was quick Lutonman. Over to you. 😁
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I just thought of large railway junctions and used google earth. My wife's uncle work up there for a number of years.
Going to try a google earth picture. This one is off a main road in West Kent what is the area on the left. Try and name it correctly.
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Gallaher's Blaize Farm Plant at the end of Quarryman's Lane near Kings Hill west Malling. Less than 30 years old.
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For MartinR..............
Please see the location of the Turntable. Now it is a roundabout by Weatherspoons and the New Development.The Lift is still present for reference.
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@Beachbum
Thanks very much, that does clarify things totally. Looking at the alignments with Topp's Cafe, the lift and the Royal Victoria Pavillion (Wetherspoons) it looks to be slightly further NE than the current roundabout. There is a curved feature centered at 100' NE at 51.33233002861004, 1.4240012779674762. GSV (Aug 2018) shows this as a funfair, but the current satellite view (2022) shows scrub land. Is this not more likely than the traffic roundabout at 51.33250047522633, 1.4244373818746219?
Anyhow, thanks for the help,Martin
EDIT: On further viewing I think the turntable must have occupied just the NE half of the traffic roundabout and extended into the scrub. There's no trace left on the satellite view though, so a few yards doesn't matter. M.
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[size=0px]Gallaher's Blaize Farm Plant at the end of Quarryman's Lane near Kings Hill west Malling. Less than 30 years old.[/size]
Your correct Grandarog, over to you, that was quick.
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Thanks Lutonman, :)
Its an awful lot bigger than when I visited ages ago. Those dome roofs weren't there then .Does any one know what they are for.
Will put next guess this evening.
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Catching up a bit. Hoo junction is at
- WGS84: 51.4354, 0.4470 or 51°26'07"N, 000°26'49"E
- Post code: ME3 7JA
- Nat Grid: TQ 70180 73552
and Blaize Farm Quarry at
- WGS84: 51.280, 0.382 or 51°16'45"N, 000°22'57"E
- Post code: ME19 4PN
- Nat Grid: TQ 66263 56023
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Here we go . Where ,What and When.
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@grandarog: https://democracy.kent.gov.uk/documents/s98745/Item%20C1%20-%20Blaise%20Farm%20Quarry%20AD%20Gas%20to%20Grid%20Facility.pdf (https://democracy.kent.gov.uk/documents/s98745/Item%20C1%20-%20Blaise%20Farm%20Quarry%20AD%20Gas%20to%20Grid%20Facility.pdf) might explain. Briefly, they are running an anaerobic digester for food wastes to create compost and methane which is then burnt to generate electricity for the grid.
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A court hearing?
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Not a legal matter, but a lot of people attending.
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Royal visit?
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Funeral?
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No and No. ME area.
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Grand opening of something?
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Not a grand opening but it was a first time happening.
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Magistates Court - the Brook Chatham.
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Not a court or the Brook . Further East.
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Football Win?
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A little bit more painful than a football win. Swale area.
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An accident?
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Not an accident. More of a necessary nuisance affecting everyone.
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Is it Central Avenue, Sittingbourne?
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Closure of an amenity?
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Yes Central Avenue. Not a Closure .What event and when.
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Something to do with the police station?
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Anything to do with feeling a little prick?
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Shoot 999 Definitely . :)
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It should be easy to work out now with johnfilmer and Shoot999's posts as clues.
Keep trying.
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I did at first think it might be the closing of the Phoenix Community Centre that is on the left of the photo but subsequent guesses have proved me wrong. I'm fairly sure that I've got the correct answer now but I'll hold off for a while longer.
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Although I know the area extremely well, as it`s not far away from where I live and I have been in the queue there, three times, the `penny has just dropped`. Like granderog , I`ll hold back on this one. The clues should give it away fairly soon.
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There are certainly enough clues to give someone a chance to guess the correct answer to what was occurring at the end of the Queue. :)
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There are certainly enough clues to give someone a chance to guess the correct answer to what was occurring at the end of the Queue. :)
If there are no takers by tomorrow, I'll put in my guess to keep things moving.
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Right, here goes. First batch of Covid Vaccinations in Central Avenue, Sittingbourne ? Possibly January 2021?
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Certainly was .First day of the injections.The queues stretched right round the library Car Park and nearly down to the High Street.
Your Turn John Walker.
I feel guilty and wont do this multiple type question again as this is Guess The Place ,not the activity.
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Certainly was .First day of the injections.The queues stretched right round the library Car Park and nearly down to the High Street.
Your Turn John Walker.
I feel guilty and wont do this multiple type question again as this is Guess The Place ,not the activity.
I ended up at a dead end. Started with Swallows next door to the Phoenix, and went into a ever increasing circle trying to track down a covid centre. Thought I had it for a while as there was a covid bus in the Swallows car park, but that didn't appear til the end of the vaccine cycle. So hardly a first.
Really enjoyed this one. :)
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Thanks Grandarog. It was good to have something a bit different. There's no way I would have guessed that one without the various clues that came up.
Next one...
Where is this?
First Clue - Not one of my usual haunts ...
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Looks like a Constable painting! I half expect to see a farm cart in the stream - or is it a canal?
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Looks like a Constable painting! I half expect to see a farm cart in the stream - or is it a canal?
I agree MartinR. It does look rather pastoral. It's actually a screen dump from GSV.
Not a canal.
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Lots of private fishing in this area.
Railway line close
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Station quite close and a busy 'A' Road.
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And a mill.
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I think that is Chilham Mill behind the camera position.
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I think that is Chilham Mill behind the camera position.
Well done John Filmer - spot on. Quite a nice spot. A footpath continues past the front of the cottage (Mill Cottage) and heads up onto the downs and Juliberries Grave.
Julliberrie's Grave, also known as The Giant's Grave or The Grave, is an unchambered long barrow located near to the village of Chilham in the south-eastern English county of Kent. Probably constructed in the fourth millennium BCE, during Britain's Early Neolithic period, today it survives only in a state of ruin.
I haven't found out who is actually buried in this barrow.
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Thanks John for that one. The camera must have been at about:
- WGS84: 51°14'29"N, 000°58'27" or 51.2414,0.9743
- Post code: CT4 8EF
- Nat'l grid: TR 07703 53338
From the official listing, https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1234921?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1234921?section=official-list-entry), I see that "The interior of the mill is remarkably complete with paddle wheel,stones, grain bins and hoppers." do you know if the mill is open to visitors? The official website only seems to be interested in fishing. Also, there is an odd, almost heart-shaped ring of water just over half a mile away ENE at TR 08831 54049, just N of Pickelden Lane. Do you know anything about this? It's not a lake, so I assume it's not part of Stour Valley Fishing Complex nor yet Chilham Mill Fishery. Just curious!
You mentioned Julliberrie's Grave. There is an article in Wikipedia about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julliberrie's_Grave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julliberrie's_Grave) and the official scheduling record is available online: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1013000?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1013000?section=official-list-entry)
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Thanks John for that one. The camera must have been at about:- WGS84: 51°14'29"N, 000°58'27" or 51.2414,0.9743
- Post code: CT4 8EF
- Nat'l grid: TR 07703 53338
From the official listing, https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1234921?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1234921?section=official-list-entry), I see that "The interior of the mill is remarkably complete with paddle wheel,stones, grain bins and hoppers." do you know if the mill is open to visitors? The official website only seems to be interested in fishing. Also, there is an odd, almost heart-shaped ring of water just over half a mile away ENE at TR 08831 54049, just N of Pickelden Lane. Do you know anything about this? It's not a lake, so I assume it's not part of Stour Valley Fishing Complex nor yet Chilham Mill Fishery. Just curious!
I don't think the mill is open to visitors - certainly not seen anything about it. The ring of water is part of the private fishing and I understand the water is still, to give a feel of canal fishing. I believe a lot of the area is under the control of South East Water and the Chilham Water Treatment Works is along that road. Everywhere in that area appears to be private. Annual membership for Chilham Mill Angling Syndicate is £1,400 !!!!
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Martin, old OS maps only start to show a lake of that sort of footprint in the late 1960s, so as JW says, it looks as though it has been engineered to give a better fishing experience. Personally only went fishing once, never been so bored...
Meanwhile, back at the Quiz - where is this converted chapel? It is beside what is now an A road.
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It’s next to, and originally associated with a large building, that from this angle (the side) is behind it.
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Would the large building be an asylum?
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Pretty close JW, it started as a parish workhouse, then later a Union Workhouse, eventually being called an Institution or Hospital.
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Found it but I'll hold back for now. :)
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Former Prim. Methodist Chapel, Chartham?
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Not Chartham, Diapason. Go South(ish)
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To keep things moving, I'll now go for it.
East Ashford Workhouse Chapel, Willesborough. 51.14432906791397, 0.9068021013366051
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It is, JW well done as the side view is not so obvious, the road runs past the front.
Built about 1908, baptism was performed there, most of which were recorded as being born at Gill House rather than the Union Workhouse. I didn’t use that as a clue as Google took you straight to the right answer.
Over to you...
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John Walker. That's a ridiculous amount. In Scotland you can get a salmon license for that sort of money & I doubt that there are salmon there. Boring is when you can't eat what you have caught!
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John Walker. That's a ridiculous amount. In Scotland you can get a salmon license for that sort of money & I doubt that there are salmon there. Boring is when you can't eat what you have caught!
Dave, I believe much of the waters are stocked with trout but the main attraction is the enormous carp and pike in the waters. John
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It is, JW well done as the side view is not so obvious, the road runs past the front.
Built about 1908, baptism was performed there, most of which were recorded as being born at Gill House rather than the Union Workhouse. I didn’t use that as a clue as Google took you straight to the right answer.
Over to you...
Thank you JohnFilmer, It threw me at first as the frontage is of a stone finish. I've driven past it numerous times over the years.
Next one folks ... East of the county
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I will hold back on this one 8)
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I will hold back on this one 8)
That could be a clue as well ;)
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Very close to a station and not far from a rugby club ground.
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Sea not far away
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I'm sure there would be a good view of the station platform from the back windows.
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North coast?
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North coast?
Very East
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Broadstairs, St Peters Park Road, I think GSV gives a glimpse of 28 on the left hand side.
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Thanks John, I think the camera was located near to:
- WGS84: 51°21'41"N, 001°25'41"E or 51.36135,1.43177
- Nat Grid: TR 39004 68066
- Post code: CT10 2BL
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So this is indeed number 26 and 28.From a distant memory, 28 was a Tobacconist and 26 possibly a Barbers?Behind was a Railway fed coal depot with sidings.
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Broadstairs, St Peters Park Road, I think GSV gives a glimpse of 28 on the left hand side.
You have it JohnFilmer. Thanks for the location data MartinR and other info Beachbum.
From what I have found so far, it has had many uses since the 1950s when one of them was a sweetshop but I can't find anything further back than that. This building looks quite interesting so I guess there is more of a history than I have found.
Over to you JohnFilmer
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I've defaulted to a Google screenshot.
Where is this row of huts? There are excellent clues in the picture, that I left in. There are quite a few images from many dates of this view, so you get the sense that its a busy road.
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Are the Union Flags significant? Scout camp?
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Hop pickers' huts somewhere? There look to be oasts in the distance.
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The flags are a mystery to me.
Mid 19th century this was an area heavily involved in hop growing.
Water close by.
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Found it but will hold back for now.
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Newnham/Doddington area?
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Further west(ish) Diapason, and don’t forget it’s very near water.
A Grade 1 listed structure is very close.
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It’s quite common to be in a queue on the road there. Two causes.
Railway station close by.
The church on the horizon in the photo sits on a crossroads.
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The water has a lock very close
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Gravesend?
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Somewhere near Sevenoaks?
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Busy boatyard at end of track past the huts.
Not Sevenoaks or Gravesend.
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Somewhere along the Medway?
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It is by the Medway. All downhill from here...
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Wateringbury?
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Downstream from there Diapason.
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Left side of track leading from Station Road to the Boatyard at East Farleigh.
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Well done Grandarog. GSV gives John Filmer's view exactly. Camera at:
- WGS84: 51°15'14"N, 000°29'04"E or 51.25398,0.484486
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 73471 53466
- Post: ME15 0JG
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That’s the place Grandarog. I used to use this route into work at our shop in Tonbridge Road if the M20 was a problem, so spent many a happy while in the queue waiting for either the level crossing or a timid driver to grow a pair and get on the bridge before the next wave came the other way.
A friend lived on an old Broads cruiser just along the towpath on the other side of the bridge in the early 70s and we climbed the hill to the pub at the top on a “few” occasions.
I was slightly worried that it would become the Two Johnnies Show for a while. How many candles?
Over to you Grandarog.
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The photo rang a bell as soon as I saw it. The penny dropped but I decided to hold fire, as I've put a few up lately. I went over the bridge a number of times in the late 60s while repairing Imperial Automatic Washing Machines on a freelance basis. I covered Kent, South London, and Sussex in my minivan.
Later, I crossed the bridge to support our daughter who was doing a charity bungee jump outside the Bull Inn pub at the top of the hill. Later, I crossed it again to attend a nephew's baptism in the Parish Church at the top of the hill. I don't remember noticing the row of huts though.
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Thanks johnfilmer I trawled up and down the Medway for ages until you said downstream from Wateringbury.
Try this one next.
Where would you have been to spot this roofline.
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Bethersden Area ?
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Way off. Head N/W ish about 20 miles or so. :)
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Near the River Medway ?
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That looks like a square oast behind the foreground building with the ventilation turret. Would we be near Beltring?
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Not far from Medway, John Walker. Northish of Beltring, MartinR.
Its at a popular place.
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Err, is that "not far from Medway" (the place) or "not far from the River Medway"?
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Museum of Kent Life ?
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Not there John walker.
Sorry for ambiguity MartinR. Located within the Medway Towns approx 7-10 k from River Medway.
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Assuming that Maidstone is classed as a Medway Town - Moat Park area?
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Maidstone not a Medway Town .
Some of our members are sure to have visited this place and seen the guess view when leaving.
Time for a Clue very popular place for families to visit in fine weather.
South of A2 North of M2.
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Family history connection, so keeping quiet ::)
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Whitewall Farm, Capstone Road Chatham. Opposite the Ski Centre
51.3548927,0.5610293,3a,
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Grrrr, I'd been up and down that road looking for a square building behind one with a ventilation turret. It didn't dawn on me that the oast was attached to the main building but separately roofed!
Well done Lutonman.
Full coords:- Grid: TQ 78420 64870
- Post Code: ME7 3JH
- WGS 84: 51°21'18"N, 000°33'40"E or 51.35489,0.56103
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There were more than one family of my Smitherman ancestors living at Drowhill Cottages during the latter part of the 19th century. These cottages were at the top of the track opposite the clue, roughly in the car park area. I found no trace when I went exploring.
If anyone has any information on these cottages I will be grateful for it, as apart from the census records I have found none.
Other members of the same family lived in various cottages by the road, one recording herself as a widow when her estranged husband was living with his brother in Luton!
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Spot on Lutonman, Right in front of you as you leave Capstone Park.
Over to you. :)
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Whitewal Farm was in the 70's owned by a Alan Blake and his mum lived opposite me in Luton Road, I once took her around the old Christ Church in her wheelchair using the vestry entrance which had no steps.
Next one a google maps shot I don't think we have had this one before.
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St. Mary, Norton?
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Much Further South West
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As far southwest as Sutton Valence ?
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Too far south but now need to go further west in a small village about 3miles from a main town
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West of Maidstone? I've been searching that area without luck so far so wondering if I'm on the wrong track.
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Its further west, not far away from a major A road running from the M25 down to Hastings
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Still searching ;D
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Oh Deer!
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At last! ;) I thought you had a spelling problem Lutonman ;D but then realised it might be a clue - thank you.
St Margarets Church, Underriver
51.24591793973818, 0.22887407723052786
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Good grief, John knows the position to the nearest nano-metre! :P
In other formats:- Grid: TQ 55666 52015
- WGS84: 51°14'46"N, 000°13'44"E
- Post Code: TN15 0SB
What's the "deer" connection? I've been searching Knole Park to no avail, is it just the proximity?
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Well Done John Walker indeed it was a clue, Martin R yes to point to Knowle Park and to identify the main road as the A21 and the main town as Sevenoaks and hopefully focus in the Right area.
Over to you John Walker
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Thanks Lutonman, As I said, your final clue about deer put me in the right area. Knole Park and it's famous herd of deer. Without that clue, I was struggling.
Next one - shouldn't be too difficult.
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For me no ideas yet, is it some kind of museum, I'm looking at the plaque in front of the barrel.
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For me no ideas yet, is it some kind of museum, I'm looking at the plaque in front of the barrel.
Yes - it is a museum. It's not a barrel :)
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Looks awfully like the Brenzett Aeronautical Museum on Ivychurch Road?
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Looks awfully like the Brenzett Aeronautical Museum on Ivychurch Road?
Over to you CAT. Bouncing bomb on display in the photo. The Land Army Museum was also there but not sure if it still is.
Wartime Weekend in June - see poster below.
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I recognised the Barnes Wallace Bomb straight away but hadn't a clue where it was. Brenzett is probably the only Aeronautical Museum in Kent I haven't visited at some time. :)
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Like Grandarog, I'd never heard of the place (both Museum and Village), but recognised the bouncing bomb at once. Anyhow, for anyone looking for it the location of the camera (GSV) is:
- Nat Grid: TR 00936 277196
- Post Code: TN29 0EE
- WGS 84: 51°00'33"N, 000°51'47"E or 51.00904, 0.86292
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Many thanks John Walker. I remember going there many, many years ago, but recently had passed by visiting a friend in the nearby village. I wonder if the 'Bouncing-bomb' is a new addition as I don't remember it being there when I visited.
My next is clearly a street view from the early twentieth century, one that many people would have travelled along, which might not be to difficult.
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I'll hold back on this one for now as I worked close to that location for many years. Wouldn't really be classed as a guess ;D
It's a great photo btw.
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I found the same photo, dated 1903, but without the car. Not sure if the shadows under the car look right in the context of the shadows cast by the buildings.
As I said before, I don’t want this to become the Two Johnnies show, so as I know the place I’ll pass for now.
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A quick clue to keep things moving?
This village, being once on a main thoroughfare between a port and a city, was exceptionally busy until the building of a bypass. The significance of the village's name can be seen in the pic.
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Well the only cities in Kent are Rochester (well, was thanks to Gillingham) and Canterbury. Rochester was its own port, so I assume the city must be Canterbury.
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Would this be Bridge? Going over the Nail Bourne perhaps........
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It is indeed the village of Bridge, presumed to have been named after the bridging of the Nailbourne Stream. The bridge side walls can be seen just behind the car, though then the bridge was narrower. Built in the 18th century, it’s twin arches still survive under the present road, which was widened to accommodate the rise in motorised traffic of the twentieth century. Being on the main route between Dover and Canterbury the village was bypassed with the A2 dual carriageway in the mid twentieth century. However, the road through the village follows that of Roman Watling Street, which would also have crossed the stream, but was this with a bridge, or a ford? Certainly, the village’s name has been in existence since the early Norman period.
Over to you Beachbum
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As far as I can, this GSV shows it today:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2454165,1.1260814,3a,75y,335.29h,87.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw6NEOqHbhO1_Ez-VvwQrtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2454165,1.1260814,3a,75y,335.29h,87.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw6NEOqHbhO1_Ez-VvwQrtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
Location information:- Nat Grid: TR 18276 54225
- WGS84: 51°14'43"N, 001°07'34"E or 51.24541,1.12607
- Post code: CT4 5LB
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Thanks CAT, a fasinating history on such an old Highway. Can the arches be seen now, or covered over?
Okay, next one for you...............
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Great photo. Another one that I'll hold back on. My late Mum was billeted there in WW2 while in the ATS.
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Is this 'tower' looking out to sea, and part of a larger building like a former hotel?
The arches to the bridge at Bridge can't be seen from road level as the road was widened by extending beyond the former bridge parapets. However, when the stream is dry it is possible to walk along the stream bed from the Mill Lane ford or from Riverside Close and look under the later bridge widening, where it is possible to see the double brick arches of the eighteenth century bridge.
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MartinR. I'm intrigued by " well, was, thanks to Gillingham"? How come Gillingham can change history please?
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When the former City of Rochester upon Medway was subsumed into the Unitary Authority of Medway the incoming council (apparently in particular the Gillingham councilors) decided not to appoint charter trustees to preserve the City status. As a result Rochester has the distinction of being the only "former city" in the UK. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom#Rochester (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom#Rochester) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester,_Kent#Governance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester,_Kent#Governance) for summaries, but note that:
The Department of Environment, Transport and the Regions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Environment,_Transport_and_the_Regions) informed the city council that since it was the local government district (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_district) that officially held City status under the 1982 Letters Patent, the council would need to appoint charter trustees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_trustees) to preserve its city status, but the outgoing Labour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK))-run council decided not to appoint "Charter Trustees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_Trustees)", so the city status was lost when Rochester-upon-Medway was abolished as a local government district.
The council has tried several times now (2000, 2002, 2012) to regain city status, but always as "Medway", not "Rochester" and so has no historical context. Also note that the first application for city status in 2000 rather negates the myth that it was "accidentally lost and not realised until 2002".
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Thanks for the update on Bridge CAT.
So this building started life as a Hotel in 1878.In 1898 it was extended and converted to a Convalescent Home. The Tower has fine views (including Sea) and is an Architectural design seen at others.............
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There was a nearby Pleasure Pier.............
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Are we looking at the southeast Kent coastal town/port?
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I think that is the Tower on the old Pegwell Bay ,Ramsgate ,Convalescent Home. I may be wrong.
I don't know if it is still there ,I only found it by searching Frith's old Postcards.
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You could well be correct grandarog. I was nearly there myself, but 'pipped at the post'
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Well done grandarog, it is indeed the current Pegwell Bay Hotel.
It was: The Passmore Edwards Working Mens Union Convalesent Home until 1969. It was then converted to a Hotel and remains open now.
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The original design plan................
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Thanks Beachbum. Certainly an impressive building.
Next is an old pic from early 1900's.
Shouldn't take long to find.
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Lighthouse?
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One of the Foreland lighthouses, probably South?
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You have it Cat. I said it wouldn't last long.
Makes up for pipping you on the last one. :)
Over to you.
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Many thanks gradarog. Ironic your pic occurring when it did as I was walking around the lighthouse only a week or so earlier.
Here is my next vintage village scene, which might not last too long as its along a frequent rural bus route, but where....?
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For those who don't know the area, the Pegwell Bay Hotel is at:
- TR 36362 64170
- CT11 0NJ
- 51°19'39"N, 001°23'29"E or 51.32748,1.39131
and the South Foreland Lighthouse is at:- TR 35906 43307
- CT15 6HP
- 51°08'25"N, 001°22'16"E or 51.14040,1.37105
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I have to say CAT that “frequent rural bus route” is an oxymoron around here :(
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I've seen this picture before - darned if I can remember where though.....
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On the Triangle bus route. Canterbury, Herne Bay, Whitstable?
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Too true JohnWalker, plenty of the bus routes are rural, but this one is renowned for the area. It’s not the Canterbury-Whitstable-Herne Bay route, though a distant route from Canterbury to the coast can be returned on another long route back. This village has a strong Kentish saintly association.
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Did there used to be a coal mine beyond the house on the right? The house looks familiar from another photo which had something to do with a mine beyond the house.
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Is the saintly connection, Saint Augustine?
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Northbourne area?
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As far as I’m aware this village is beyond the scope of the Kent coal as it’s a to the south and southwest of Northbourne JohnWalker.
The Saintly connection is not St Augustine, but a slightly less venerated Kentish saint DaveTheTrain.
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Are we looking for a connection with Saint Eanswith? I can only find a Folkestone connection so far.
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Not St Eanswythe JohnWalker, but look between the saintly sites of Eanswythe and Augustine
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Along the Elham Valley Road perhaps? Canterbury Road, heading out of Lyminge ...
Ethelburga returned to Kent to become abbess of a new convent, Lyminge Abbey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyminge_Abbey). When she died in 647 she was venerated as a saint.
51.13062251234568, 1.0885025323150974
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You have it JohnWalker, it is indeed the Canterbury Road heading out of Lyminge. Interestingly, whilst Lyminge is well known for its early Kentish Christian origins a ‘pagan’ cemetery is known on the hillside where the windmill is in my pic.
Over to you JohnWalker and apologies to all for the delays as I’m currently in the wilds of the Yorkshire Dales where signal is limited.
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Well, Cat, that's somewhere I ought to visit. Far end of the county from me. Anyhow, here are the camera coordinates:
- National Grid: TR 16194 41340
- Post code: CT18 8JW
- WGS84: 51°07'50"N, 001°05'19"E or 51.13051,1.08854
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That was a good one CAT. Kept my brain active for sure. Next one folks ...Where is this - name of street and location? Although I took this photo some 40 years or so ago, these buildings still remain.
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A street in Canterbury?
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A street in Canterbury?
Not Canterbury Grandarog. About 16 miles out.
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Quick guess. Broadstairs?
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Sandgate Road Folkestone?
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Not Broadstairs or Folkestone but right end of the county :)
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Assuming that there is something easily identifiable in the foreground, and taken from an elevated position, how about Dover?
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Dover it is JohnFilmer :) Should be easy from here .....
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Biggin Street, Dover. Opposite the old Marks and Spencer.
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Google shot.............
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Biggin Street, Dover. Opposite the old Marks and Spencer.
Spot on Beachbum. A small section of a photo I took many years ago from the top of Dover Castle. Bronica Medium Format, 150 lens, Ilfors FP4 film.
Biggin Street 51.12649068140159, 1.311825053643032
Bus station lower right and Priory Railway Station upper right. Pencester Gardens centre.
Over to you Beachbum :)
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Love the ice cream van in the middle of the gardens :)
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Thanks JW, that had me scanning lots of Towns..........
Okay, something different : Where and when is this?
More importantly, what happened after this?
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Any connection with the Goodwin Sands?
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Not directly, but in the right area................
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Clutching at straws a bit. Anything to do with The Channel Dash?
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Operation Dynamo?
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Not operation Dynamo or Channel Dash.
1940 and a game changer outcome..........
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Battle of Britain off Ramsgate?
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As the aircraft in the pic appear to be larger than single seater fighters, was this the shooting down of a German bomber group over the channel before they made it to England?
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You are both nearly there........
So this was 3.5 miles off fo Ramsgate. They are JU88 Bombers and ME109 Fighters.
The Picture shows an armed Trawler on a very specific day during the Battle of Britain.
What happened next????
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Could this be the German bombing raid planned for Manston airfield on 24th August 1940, which was diverted to Ramsgate after the lead plane was shot down by an armed trawler? The ensuing bombing killed 29 Ramsgate residents, destroyed 78 houses and left 300 unfit for habitation as well as 700 damaged. I think it was referred to as 'The Murder Raid'?
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You beat me this time Cat.
2 of the German Bombers were shot down by the armed trawler as they were approaching Manston. RAF Spitfires and Hurricanes claimed 40 kills and AA 5 .
47 in that one day.(there were more enemy raids that day trying to get up the Thames Estuary to London.)
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You have it CAT, it is indeed the Artic Trapper on Saturday 24th August shooting down the Squadron Leader and his number two. Two others were damaged.
The ME109's machined gunned the Trawler, so they unleashed their 12 pound Cannon on the Bombers.At 11:35 am over 500 Bombs and 500 Incendary Devices were dropped on Ramsgate Town and Gasworks.
Manston was on a different approach via Pegwell Bay.
Thank goodness for the Mad Mayors Tunnels.
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An amazing story that I hadn't heard before. Its amazing how much can be learnt from GTP. :)
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Unfortunately the Luftwaffa had their revenge.
On February 3rd, 1941, the British auxiliary patrol vessel ARCTIC TRAPPER, built in 1928 by Cochrane & Sons Shipbuilders Ltd. and owned at the time of her loss by British Royal Navy, was attacked and bombed by German aircraft near the Gull light buoy, Goodwin Sands and foundered with the loss of 17 crew.
Read more at wrecksite: https://wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?153881 (https://wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?153881)
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A very interesting, but poorly known about early engagement of WWII, thank you Beachbum
My next may look as if its been through the 'wars', but many years of neglect reverted this building almost to a ruin, but its future is changing at the moment, but where?
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From the tracery it looks like an old church or chapel. By "its future is changing at the moment" do we understand that it is being converted for another purpose?
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Old local knowledge, so I’ll hold back for now.
That’s ambiguous, I meant knowledge from a while ago, not that I’m an old local... ::)
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Could have been both! :P ;D ;D
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Is it the remains of old Church at Murston ,Sittingbourne. Being converted to a Community Hub?
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It is indeed the remains of the chancel of Old All Saints Church at Murston, which despite a very chequered history was largely demolished leaving its Chanel as a mortuary chapel to the encircling churchyard. Now being restored with the construction of new working studios and cafe in an adjacent building, it’s future has never looked as good since the twelfth century when the first church was constructed.
Over to you grandarog.
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Thankyou Cat .I worked for Anchor Forklifts when they were in the units next door.It was in a very sad and vandalised state back then.
Luckily the local populace have come to the rescue.
Murston All Saints Trust (MAST) is working with the local community to shape a new future for Murston Old Church and its churchyard. Our vision is to bring back this beautiful medieval church in its green oasis on the banks of Milton Creek to the heart of the community. The hub is scheduled to open in summer 2022 and will provide creative opportunities for the community of Murston and beyond. The hub will be called Murston Heart.
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Here's a topical one. Just say where it was, we know it was for the Jubilee
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Thanks CAT and Grandarog. The website for Murston Heart is https://www.murstonheart.org/ (https://www.murstonheart.org/) The official listing is at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1011768?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1011768?section=official-list-entry) Location details:
- Nat'l grid: TQ 92093 64769
- Post code: ME10 3TW
- WGS84: 51°20'58"N, 000°45'25"E or 51.34951,0.75701
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Quick guess - Beacon at Hoo St Wereburgh ?
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John Walker,you are in the right quarter of Kent .
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To try to narrow it down further-Medway Towns?
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Upchurch recreation ground ?
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That's the Place. The Vicar at Rainham took photos of the beacons in the surrounding villages from the tower of Rainham Church. Upchurch was the brightest he saw.
Over to you John Walker. :)
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Thanks Grandarog
A lucky guess.
Next one - can be seen on GSV ...
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Despite having a touch of railway gothic about it, I think that is beside the A2050 at Harbledown.
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Well done Grandarog - The correct answer in under 42 minutes :D !!
Lawrence House - currently the offices for Pharon - Independant Financial Advisers. On Summer Hill.
In the 50s it was the head office for the East Kent Bus Company and in the 60s it was the offices of the Canterbury Water Company
I can't find any early info on the house but perhaps another member knows about it.
Over to you
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GSV coordinates are 51.2824633,1.059161 for the camera. House is at:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 13452 58165
- Post Code: CT2 8JS
- WGS 84: 51°16'57"N, 001°03'34"E or 51.28262,1.05941
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John Walker not me this time. It was johnfilmer that found it. :)
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John Walker not me this time. It was johnfilmer that found it. :)
Whoops - that's what comes of doing it on my mobile - Sorry JohnFilmer.
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Well done JohnFilmer ;D - The correct answer in under 42 minutes !!Lawrence House - currently the offices for Pharon - Independant Financial Advisers. On Summer Hill.In the 50s it was the head office for the East Kent Bus Company and in the 60s it was the offices of the Canterbury Water CompanyI can't find any early info on the house but perhaps another member knows about it.Over to you
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You are excused JW, senior moment and all that ;D
Seriously that was very odd, I just knew where it was even though I may only have ever zoomed past on the main road. It was all down to many happy hours spent wandering around a virtual Canterbury and its environs looking for other Guess the Place locations. Either that or I've got a bit Mystic Meg...
Meanwhile. This scene no longer exists, but it was there from about 1850 until recently. It famously produced a particular variation of a common kentish product of the time. Railway is almost adjacent, it had a private siding to shift the heavy product.
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Funton Brickworks at Lower Halstow?
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Right product, wrong place.
Somewhat south ish from there.
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Hammill Brickworks at Woodnesborough?
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Not there Beachbum, west of Ashford.
Their bricks were noted for flooring, especially agricultural uses.
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Lenham?
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Wrong railway line JW. It is a mainline.
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The adjacent station is a frightful distance from the village that it serves.
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Is it one of the brickfields that were around Headcorn?
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None too far away, right railway line.
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Pluckley Brick and Tile Works. That had a substantial siding off the main line.
51.157687094558945, 0.7416782083661199
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Well done JW, Pluckley it is. Their pavers, or paviours, were dark purple brown colour, often with a diamond grip pattern, and there were drainage ones. They usually had an impressed Pluckley mark.
We had a ruined barn floor of them, which we reused when we lifted and extended the floor into the revised building (24ft x 18ft garage and workshop ;D ).
Over to you...
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I should have known the stables at Grove End Farm were floored with their Blue hatched bricks.
Bit of info for interest .
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A brickworks next to Pluckley Railway Station was opened in 1879 by the Kent Brick & Tile Company who are listed in Kelly’s 1882 edition with John Porter as manager. The works first produced their bricks in Scotch & Staffordshire kilns, but by the early 1880’s a 14 chamber Hoffman kiln had been built which was capable of holding 350,000 bricks. By 1891 this works was owned by the Pluckley Brick & Tile Co.
The Pluckley Brick & Tile Co. are listed in Kelly’s 1891 & 1903 editions at Pluckley, Ashford with W. J. Moody as secretary & manager. A web article reveals that Pluckley Brick & Tile Co’s. 25 foot deep clay pit contained several types of clay suitable for producing both red & blue bricks. Fireclay was also available to produce low quality fire bricks suitable for lining brick kilns & lime kilns. Pluckley B & T Co. mainly produced red bricks & blue vitrified stable & paver bricks of various patterns. Their blue & brindle bricks were of such unsurpassed quality that they rivalled those made in Staffordshire. Kelly’s 1913 edition records new owners at the works & the entry is Pluckley Clay Works, proprietors, East Kent Contract & Financial Co. Ltd. Pluckley, Ashford. At a later date & up to when this works closed, possibly in the 1970’s/80’s it was owned by Redland. Photos and info by Martyn Fretwell."
Source https://www.brocross.com/Bricks (https://www.brocross.com/Bricks)
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Thanks JohnFilmer - I never knew about these brickworks before this GTP. Looks like it is destined for housing now.
Next - which station?
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Still in regular use (mainline?)?
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Still in regular use (mainline?)?
Still in use and a mainline. Used to be sidings both sides. The one in the photo was a siding but was changed to a loop.
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On the Chatham to Ramsgate part of the mainline?
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On the Chatham to Ramsgate part of the mainline?
Not that line...
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A village station. The village is along a busy 'A' Road.
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One of the down sidings served a goods shed that was used by two food companies.
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Close to two rail lines, a motorway and an 'A' road.
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Victoria to Dover line?
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Not the line from Victoria that passes through the Medway towns, Try a different London Station. Shoot999
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I am plumping for Lenham Station. Probably wrong but it is a guess. :)
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I am plumping for Lenham Station. Probably wrong but it is a guess. :)
And a damn good guess it is. :D
The goods shed was used by Morrell Cherries Ltd and a meat company.
Over to you Grandarog...
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Wow ,Thanks I didn't expect that. I new there was a loop line at Lenham nothing else to connect to your pic.
Next one .Here's a view but where.
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I’ve just driven home via the bridge over the line at Lenham, and thought that it could be the answer.
Street view from that very spot, but too late!
Is the graveyard scene visible on google? I did one of Chilham and because a major footpath ran through it you get GSV in the churchyard itself.
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The actual entrance and cemetery building are visible on GSV but no interior views are visible.
As a Clue it is not largely wooded.
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Following John Filmer's post the street view is at:
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 89393 51731
- Post Code: ME17 2LB
- WGS84: 51°13'60"N, 000°42'41"E or 51.23333,0.71146
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A bit quiet, let’s try an obvious one... Maidstone Road, Chatham?
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Churchyard or municipal cemetery?
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Yes municipal cemetery . Not Maidstone rd.
Go east from Chatham
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Bell Road, Sittingbourne?
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Not Sittingbourne ,further East.
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Moving east we come to Faversham, Love Lane?
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Not Faversham,Further still. :)
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I'm away this week so haven't joined in. I think I know this one but as I haven't access to my computer images I'll hold back. :)
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Next stop-Canterbury?
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You have it shoot999. Canterbury Cemetery, Becket Avenue, Canterbury.
Over to you for the next one :)
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Thanks for that grandarog. Obviously just a guess on my part.
And the next.
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Somewhere in Chatham?
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Not Chatham, a bit further afield. But you are in the right part of Kent.
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Strood?
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Further West. Searched this area recently chasing a few GTPs and came across something that looked a little different.
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Erith ?
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Around midway between your two guesses John. Looking for some objects on GE that look odd or out of place from their usual locations.
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An area in Gravesend away from the main town centre ?
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You are on the right track
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Anything to do with the enormous Sikh Temple ?
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Not that John. But you are not to far away now. The pic shows just a small part of a wider complex that's best viewed in GE 3D
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Metropolitan Police Training Centre? I can't find the exact location as per your photo, although there are plenty of similar blue doors.
Edit. Just found it. Was in shadow so the red sign doesn't show.
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You have it John. I stumbled across it when looking for other GTP within in the area and wondered why there was a train carriage and underground train in the middle of what looked like a college or something. Then noticed most of the buildings only had the front wall.
https://www.vercitygroup.com/projects/gravesend/
Over to you.
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Thanks Shoot999. A very interesting one and great find. I didn't know the place existed but it looks quite a place.
51.44171313618702, 0.4037783660630458
Well worth a look on Google Street View 3D. Quite fascinating. All set up for re-enacting street riots and many other situations.
Next one - Where is this listed building? (Street name removed)
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In a built-up area. Easily seen in GSV.
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Canterbury?
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Canterbury?
Not Canterbury - head west :)
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Medway Towns?
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Medway Towns?
Not Medway Towns Head South :)
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Church very close.
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Maidstone?
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Maidstone?
Yes, Maidstone it is. Shouldn't take long now ...
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It’s the corner of Station Road and St Faiths Street.
I have been in the flat above next door, and they are as “interesting “ inside as out. A real challenge to find somewhere to put a boiler.
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Location:
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 75974 56023
- Post Code: ME14 1LJ
- WGS 84: 51°16'34"N, 000°31'18"E or 51.27618,0.52156
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It’s the corner of Station Road and St Faiths Street.
I have been in the flat above next door, and they are as “interesting “ inside as out. A real challenge to find somewhere to put a boiler.
You have it JohnFilmer. 16 St Faith's Street, Maidstone. Here's some details https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101336189-16-st-faiths-street-maidstone-high-street-ward (https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101336189-16-st-faiths-street-maidstone-high-street-ward)
Thanks for the coordinates MartinR.
Over to you.
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I've been a bit slow on the response, but try this rural chapel, still in use, not converted to a house.
Road is... Chapel Lane ::)
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Interesting. Looking at the building I thought "Methodist" (or other Free Church), but the gravestones and road name make me think it is a chapel of ease. So, are we looking for a small hamlet about 5 miles from its parent village or toen?
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MartinR, built as a Baptist Chapel in about 1750. Rebuilt after a fire in 1824 and continued up to the 1970s. Now still used for worship since reopening in 1975.
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East Kent ?
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Mid Kent
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Mid Kent
Matfield?
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East a fair step, south of M20. Village setting, but as MartinR thought, a smaller hamlet of a larger village.
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South of Maidstone?
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South east, tending more to east south east, from Maidstone.
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So SE by E? :P Learn to box the compass! ;)
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Egerton Free Church ?
51.187072053341915, 0.7049030097103287
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Well done JW, Egerton Free Church it is...
I drive past it occasionally as we get our dog food from Raw Pet Foods, just a short way down the road.
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Grrr, I was searching for Baptist churches! :(
Well done JW (and saved me sorting out co-ordinates).
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Thanks JohnFilmer - that had me going all over to area but had a lucky break.
Next one .....
What's this all about and where ? Note: They're going up the wrong side of the road ...
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Tour de France in Kent?
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2007, possibly Canterbury?
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That was quick Beachbum - over to you ;D
The view from our window. The carnival seemed to go on forever, with numerous companies advertising on their floats ahead of the riders arriving. The peloton came through at an incredible speed as they headed for the finish at the top of Rheims Way. Quite an anti-climax as they were only in view for a few seconds.
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That was some view you had of that event and a great memory.
Okay, have a look at this picture?
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Manston?
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Not Manston JW
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"You might read this"
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That's a bit cryptic Beachbum. Do you mean that we should read the photo ("No3 7-8-41") or is "you might read this" a clue to the place name? Or alternatively am I way off the mark?
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So the photo reference is one clue, the other is indeed cryptic clue...............
Also, go south JW
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Is this the foundations for one of four?
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It is one of three.............
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So, not the radar towers above Dover then.
Underground bunkers during the Cold War?
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John, the date on the photo is 7/8/41, so not cold war, instead a very hot one. I wondered about the acoustic stations, but the terrain is all wrong.
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Not the Radar Towers or Acoustic Stations.
It is something you might read..............
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Underground magazine? Dover Cliffs area..
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Chain Home Station Foundations.
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"Magazine" - very good. Something that you might read indeed. So is John's guess of the Dover Cliffs area near the mark?
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Lets try one of the 3 Magazines for the Citadel Battery Dover under construction. :)
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A magazine at capel at folkstone they have this photograph if you go and talk to the men their. A good walk but they sometimes let you in and chat and other times do not!
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Well done Bill Jones 8)
So it is the Magazine for Gun number three at Capel Battery (see site photo below).
The penny finally dropped with the hint ;)
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As near as I can judge:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 24650 38084
- Post Code: CT18 7HL
- WGS 84: 51°05'53"N, 001°12'26"E or 51.09803,1.20717
BTW, it's at Capel-le-Ferne. Putting Capel into Google sends you off into wildest Surrey, miles from the sea! Of course all you natives probably already knew that.
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I'm just back from a few days away and notice that we seem to have ground to a halt again.
I presume we're waiting for Bill Jones to put up his photo for us to guess?
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Bill has history of “wandering off”.
Plan B?
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do not know planB but here is my entry. it is a cottage near where I live (thats a clue for anyone who knows but not BVI).
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Bill, photo? ::)
Edit... Ah there it is!
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This looks like a cottage I've passed a few times near Selling. Anywhere near that area Bill?
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I looked at Selling on a map as I dont know it. No John I live 20 miles away 8)
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I think is somewhere between Weavering Street and Bearsted, but I have driven it on streetview but cannot find it. Am I close.
DTT
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not quite but not many miles away so you are in the right sort of area. Its grade 2 listed if that is a help.
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North of the M20?
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to the south of m20
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Still searching :D
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Otham Farm?
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No John. This is in or on a park
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Maidstone?
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Yes, it is 8)
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Keepers Cottage, Moat Park? :D
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that is correct John apart from the spelling which I keep getting wrong anyway.
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Thank you Bill.
I'm on holiday and have a GTP photo ready on my mobile but the forum software won't accept it for some reason. If it doesn't appear by this afternoon then anyone can jump in with one.
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Trying again
Success. Where and what?
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Cinema?
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Cinema?
Listed as a hall. Might have shown films but not as an official cinema.
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WW2 Bomb Damage ,Canterbury?
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WW2 Bomb Damage ,Canterbury?
Not Canterbury but right end of Kent.
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A convenient place for a bomb to drop :)
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Coastal
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This might prove to be a difficult one so I'll offer as many clues as I can. I don't think the building was saved so no point searching GSV.
A clue to the location. Deep Sea Diver.
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I've found more info that might help.
The Assembly Rooms Theatre was built in 1868. It opened as a music hall. In 1894 it became an ‘all purpose’ hall. The proscenium was 17ft wide and the stage 17ft deep. Silent films were screened in 1909 & 1910.
In 1920 it was sub-divided to provide a dance hall upstairs with the lower part of the building in various entertainment uses. In 1940 the building suffered some damage from German bombs. It was later restored and in the 1950’s until 1960 it hosted some pop concerts.
A supermarket was created in the lower level and the entertainments moved upstairs. In 1987 it was in use as a community support centre. It was demolished around 1990.
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Well, it is Horsebridge Road Whitstable. The cause of damage to the building /shop, next door to the Theatre.WW2 Bomb strike.
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Well done Grandarog - spot on!
Over to you.
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Firstly an apology; I couldn't find any image (terrestrial or satellite) that could locate the view of Keeper's Cottage, Moat Park. No view, no location information.
So far as I can work out, the photo must show the west of the street, the east looks as though the original buildings are still there. Judging from the roof lines, I'd further hazard a guess that the old Fire Station is now the Art's centre. If so, then the shop on which the bomb dropped should be at:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 10603 66722
- Post Code : CT5 1AF
- WGS84: 51°21'28"N, 001°01'25"E or 51.36051,1.02367
HTH.
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Thanks John Walker, I found the Newspaper report after I had posted guess.
Try this one. Where would you come across this rather smart Roundabout.
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Is it on the A2?
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Outskirts of Sittingbourne?
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Bit further afield than Outskirts of Sittingbourne . Not on but not far from A2.
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One of Faversham's new-build areas?
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Wrong way West of Sittingbourne.
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Medway Towns. Possibly where there are new builds?
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technically not quite as far as Medway Towns .North of A2.
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I have got it but am going on holiday so wont be able to keep another one going.
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This guess is visible on GSV, but was not there when Google Earth was filmed.
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Well done to you Lutonman :D . I'm still searching but I'm probably in the wrong areas.
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John Walker if you are the Sittingbourne side of the Medway Towns you are in the right area. All the clues are on the post to help you find
the location. :)
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At last! ;D
Otterham Quay Lane ?
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At last! ;D
Otterham Quay Lane ?
Our family home for the last 40 years has been in Otterham Quay Lane, and Iv'e had to listen to my sister complaining about a little built of building work on the opposite side of the road for the last couple of years. Didn't realise it was this extensive. A quiet country road the last time I drove down that way just a few years ago.
Interesting that if you click the north arrow on this GSV, and then turn round to face south, you see the road as it was.
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Well done John Walker didn't expect it to last long. Took you a bit longer than usual.The road system change and new roundabout were incorporated to serve the new school that was built. "Leigh Academy"
Your turn.
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Thanks, Grandarog. I was searching a bit too far North.
I have a photo ready but I can't remember where the location is. I'm having to do my own GTP search ;D ;D ;D . As soon as I work out where the location is, I'll put the image up.
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Strictly speaking it's Leigh Academy Rainham, there are a few other Leigh Academies. They are part of the Leigh Academies Trust which has 31 schools in total, including the former Williamson Trust schools such as Rochester Maths School. Any how, the roundabout is at:
- Nat'l grid: TQ 82625 65821
- Post code: ME8 8LU
- WGS84: 51°21'44"N, 000°37'19"E or 51.362095,0.621826
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Right! I've found the location, so here it is. Another church - might not take long.
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I do think this might be SS Mary and Radegund's Church, Postling?
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I do think this might be SS Mary and Radegund's Church, Postling?
That's it CAT - nice and quick :) . Over to you.
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Many thanks John Walker, its a church I know well especially during the late spring as the churchyard is left un-mowed and the wild flowers are fantastic to see.
My next has a literary connection, but where and to whom?
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Wild flowers seem to be abundant this year CAT. Shame we can't say the same for butterflies and bees :(
Quick guess - Bifrons ?
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Not Bifrons John Walker, but you are heading the right direction away from Canterbury
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Goodnestone looks like a good match ?
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Just to add Postling Parish Church is at:
- Nat'l grid: TR 14545 39092 (taken from the official listing.¹)
- Post Code: CT21 4EX
- WGS84: 51°06'39"N, 001°03'49"E or 51.11095,1.06367
¹https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1356217?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1356217?section=official-list-entry)
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You are 50% there John Walker, but my initial GTP possessed a second question with the literary connection also?
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You are 50% there John Walker, but my initial GTP possessed a second question with the literary connection also?
Found it :)
From Wiki ...
Not long after the house was built, extensive formal gardens developed around the house, the brainchild of William Harris. However, Sir Brook Bridges, 3rd Baronet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brook_Bridges,_3rd_Baronet) (the grandson of Brook Bridges, 1st Baronet) replaced the gardens at the end of the 18th century with a landscape park and made several alterations to the house. He married Fanny Fowler and had a daughter, Elizabeth, who married Edward Austen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Austen_Knight), brother of the famous author Jane Austen. The young couple stayed at Rowling house on the estate for several years before moving to nearby Godmersham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godmersham) and Jane was a regular guest at Goodnestone. It was after staying at Rowling House in 1796 that she began writing her novel Pride and Prejudice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice) originally named First Impressions.
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Just as I expected John Walker, a concise and thorough answer covering my requested 100% answer.
Over to you
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Thanks CAT, I've visited Goodenstone House a few times and never knew the Jane Austin connection. Always something new to learn on GTP.
Next one.
Where is this row of columns?
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The image is from GSV - the wide angle lens has made some of the columns look a different size. I am fairly certain they are all the same size.
There's another set opposite these.
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We've had GTPs in this area before.
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Clock tower nearby.
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500 mtrs to the right you will find water.
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Wild guess, Tunbridge Wells?
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The Pantiles?
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Wild guess, Tunbridge Wells?
Not Pantiles or Tunbridge Wells Beachbum, although I can see why you might think it is.
You need to head in a northerly direction ...
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Would Maidstone be any closer to the GTP than Tunbridge Wells?
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Would Maidstone be any closer to the GTP than Tunbridge Wells?
Further north of T/Wells. This architecture seems slightly out of place (at least to my way of thinking)
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Gravesend?
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Gravesend?
Yep! :D Gravesend it is. Shouldn't be too difficult now.
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Berkley Crescent.
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Berkley Crescent.
You have it John. Seems a bit out of place in today's Gravesend. Perhaps Gravesend was a much grander place in days gone by. Perhaps a case of another town being wrecked by planners, or did it suffer badly in the war?
I'll leave the co-ordinates to MartinR as he is much better at it than me. :)
Over to you ...
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Happy to oblige. As near as I can judge:
- Nat'l grid: TQ 65007 74095
- Post Code: DA12 2AD
- WGS84: 51°26'31"N, 000°22'22"E or 51.44181,0.37285
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Hi all, sorry to have gone a bit awol, it was a bit warm... so I spent today either in the garden under a sunshade, or in the garage, all the doors open for ventilation soldering components onto a pcb. More of that another time.
Meanwhile a little train related question - where is this?
I couldn't show the view further to the left as the bridge ID was very clearly visible - twice.
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Heritage line?
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No MartinR, part of the network.
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Interesting. No electrification, so therefore worked by diesels.
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Dux Court Bridge ?
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Well done JW, and I was saving the odd name for a clue :)
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Well done indeed. I hadn't a clue where I'd find a single track diesel operated network line in Kent. Anyhow, the view was looking
north-east north-west from:- Nat'l Grid: TQ 77864 74848
- Post Code: ME3 8QH
- WGS 84: 51°26'41"N, 000°33'29"E or 51.44469,0.55804
Bit of nosing around: it's the line from Thamesport to Hoo Junction. It seems to be single line throughout, with no passing loops. Interesting level crossing at the A228/B2001 Grain Rd. Full gates, cabin and semaphore home signal. It's like something out of "Heartbeat".
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MartinR, looking down on the bridge, the line that we are looking along runs up a bit, and left a bit in navy lark speak.
Surely north west Captain.
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Please be generous and blame the heat. You are of course absolutely correct, I can only think I looked at the road. This captain will pick up his scrubbing brush and head "afore the mast for a while". :-[
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Thanks JohFilmer. It was the only line I could think of that matched. It was then just a matter of searching for the correct bridge. The pylons etc helped.
Next one ...
Where is this, and who lived here?
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This town has a station and a clock tower. We've been here before.
More clues to follow.
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Coastal?
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Coastal?
Yes, coastal
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Is it somewhere in Herne Bay??
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Is it somewhere in Herne Bay??
Head further east Grandarog.
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Margate? If so maybe Turner?
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Margate? If so maybe Turner?
Margate - yes Turner - no.
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Margate? If so maybe Turner?
Margate - yes Turner - no.
The person who lived there had a nickname that had a hint of royalty (but they weren't).
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The company of the person who lived in the house was behind the house. It covered a large area.
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Would it be George Sanger the Circus owner that called himself "Lord Sanger" murdered in 1905?
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Not Lord Sanger, Grandarog..
The product made here would be delivered to various establishments.
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Turner is understood to have stayed in this area of Margate.
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Wild guess time, would Chocolates and Confectionery be the product?Does this House still exist?
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In respect of Turner he stayed at Mrs Booths Guest House which is where the Turner Contemporary is now situated. Early in his life he schooled just a short walk away at the junction of Love Lane/Hawley Street.
Just to the east of Love Lane is King Street where Frances 'King' Cobb lived, and this house is situated. A banker and brewer known as the 'King of Margate'
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Not Confectionery Beachbum. The house is still there in King Street, complete with blue plaque.
You've got it Shoot999. The clues were all there ;D Over to you.
The Cobbs Brewery was massive and covered quite a large area behind the house as can be seen in the attached photo. The house in my GTP is on the lower right of the outlined area. Most of it has gone now and the few remaining buildings appear to have been changed to residential.
http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cobb_%26_Co. (http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cobb_%26_Co.)
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I'm not familiar with Margate, but thanks to shoot999 I can give the "camera" position as:
- Nat'l grid: TR 35453 71086
- Post code: CT9 1DD
- WGS84: 51°23'24"N, 001°22'58"E or 51.3899393,1.3828862
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That was a good one John Walker ,I searched all sorts at Margate
and never got nearer than Turner and Mrs Booth's house .
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That was a good one John Walker ,I searched all sorts at Margate
and never got nearer than Turner and Mrs Booth's house .
Thanks Grandarog. It seems that Margate has more history than I realised.
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Thanks for that John. Yes, the clues led me to it.
An easier one I think, so no clues yet.
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Hospital?
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Hospital?
Yes. Now demolished. Site now a mixture of houses and a smaller similar facility.
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Darenth area?
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Darenth area?
Within approx 20 miles of the Darenth area. So the right part of Kent.
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It's the slope that made me think of Darenth. So next guess Medway towns? - plenty of slopes there.
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Medway Towns it is.
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Opened early 1880s to cater for contagious diseases and expanded to accommodate general patients convalescing.
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Found it. St Williams Hospital, St Williams Road, Rochester. Replaced by The Wisdom Hospice?
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Well done John. The gate was located at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 74721 66606
- Post code: ME1 2PE
- WGS84: 51°22'18"N, 000°30'32"E or 51.37163,0.50880
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Well done John. Spent a few weeks in there in the late 50s. It was a pretty grim place even then. Wisdom was built just before the hospital was demolished around 2000. Over to you.
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Thanks, Shoot999
I found this info during my search.
St. William’s Hospital
It was during the 1876/77 outbreak of smallpox that the Rochester Corporation decided that they needed to erect a Contagious Disease Hospital. It was probably this decision that led to the building of St. William’s Hospital on what was then known as Delce Road. Wisdom Hospice now on the site, ME1 2NU
It opened in April 1883, taking its name from a chapel that was once on the site. Many infectious diseases – mostly not regarded as a serious risk today (but they are) used to ravage Medway. St. Williams soon become an essential facility in caring for people from Rochester and Chatham who caught, amongst other infectious diseases, the potentially fatal diphtheria, scarlet fever, or measles. There were too many outbreaks of these diseases to detail at length, but they all took many lives; further they did not necessarily ‘arrive’ one at a time – and the hospital could find itself overcrowded.1882 – Diphtheria outbreak in Strood. In one family there were five children aged between three weeks to nine years all of whom went down with the disease. Four died and were interred in the same grave, the remaining child was admitted to the Isolation hospital in a critical condition.
From Geoff Rambler's Weird and Wonderful Kent
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Soon as I saw it !
But I live over the road from it ;D .
At one point before all the buildings were demolished, that particular one was used by Out of Hours Dr's. I was really poorly one evening but as it was so close my late hubby got my son to run over there and Dr came straightaway !
I had Pleurisy, thank goodness they were there.
It was also where my Mum had radiation treatment.
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One other thing about the demolition.
The low wall continued up the road further and when it was time to get rid of that for the new road entrance , a JCB happened to dig through the main electric cables Flash Bang Wallop ! we were without electricity for 8 hrs that day. Fortunately the tropical fish in a big tank we had then survived.
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Soon as I saw it !
But I live over the road from it ;D .
At one point before all the buildings were demolished, that particular one was used by Out of Hours Dr's. I was really poorly one evening but as it was so close my late hubby got my son to run over there and Dr came straightaway !
I had Pleurisy, thank goodness they were there.
It was also where my Mum had radiation treatment.
I had a smile on my face when selecting the pic thinking of you pointing out your window saying 'It's there!' :)
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I was shoot ! ;D ;D
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Another good one Shoot999.
Celebrating my 300th GTP offering on this forum, where is this? Shouldn't take long :)
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300th offering? It's only "whereisthis-298.jpg". :P
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It appears that not much happened in this village but here's a few clues from Wiki.
An English cricketer was born here.
The wife of royalty grew up here.
An activist is reputed to have been born here.
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No takers on this GTP sp another clue.
Just west(ish) of mid-Kent
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Notable oast houses to the north.
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Are we looking at somewhere in Paddock Wood or Pembury?
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Are we looking at somewhere in Paddock Wood or Pembury?
You're hot MartinR. ;D Equal distance from both.
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We seem to have stalled so wild guess Matfield.
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We seem to have stalled so wild guess Matfield.
I was beginning to think I was playing solitaire ;D Not Matfield but very close. The view is from GSV.
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Five Oak Green?
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Five Oak Green?
Not there either - head south east.
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Another wild stab in the dark . Horsmonden??
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Another wild stab in the dark . Horsmonden??
Not there either Grandarog.
Everyone seems to be circling around the GTP location waiting to go in for the kill ;D ;D ;D
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Another wild stab in the dark . Horsmonden??
Not there either Grandarog.
Everyone seems to be circling around the GTP location waiting to go in for the kill ;D ;D ;D
I know. You would think someone would have said its The Bull at Brenchley by now.
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You have it Shoot999 - it is indeed Brenchley. Over to you.
Edward Martin (24 November 1814 – 31 October 1869) was an English professional cricketer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket). He played for Hampshire sides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampshire_county_cricket_teams) and for Kent County Cricket Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_County_Cricket_Club) Martin was born at Brenchley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenchley) in Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent) in 1814.
Sophie, Countess of Wessex, Spent her early life in Brenchley. (born Sophie Helen Rhys-Jones, 20 January 1965) is a member of the British royal family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_royal_family). She is married to Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex), the youngest son of Queen Elizabeth II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II) and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh)
Wat Tyler (c. 1320/4 January 1341 – 15 June 1381) was a leader of the 1381 Peasants' Revolt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt) in England (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England). Thought to have been born in Brenchley. He led a group of rebels from Canterbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canterbury) to London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London) to oppose the institution of a poll tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_per_head) and to demand economic and social reforms. While the brief rebellion enjoyed early success, Tyler was killed by officers loyal to King Richard II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_II) during negotiations at Smithfield, London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithfield,_London).
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Thank you John,
Hopefully this one should go quicker.
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Re Brenchley: the "camera" was at:
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 67953 41771
- Post code: TN12 7NJ
- WGS84: 51°09'02"N, 000°24'00"E or 51.15056,0.40001
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Isn't that from a TV program about 4 blokes dealing with the ashes of a friend? Still have no idea who or where though!
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Isn't that from a TV program about 4 blokes dealing with the ashes of a friend? Still have no idea who or where though!
A great program/film ;D [size=78%].[/size]
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Margate harbour arm?
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Margate harbour arm?
You have it Stewie. Its a still from the great movie 'Last Orders'. From left to right Bob Hoskins, Ray Winston, David Hemmings, and Tom Courtenay. With Michael Caine playing the ashes. :D
American road movies have Route 66, but we have the A2! With stop-offs at Rochester, Chatham and Canterbury along the way. Well worth a watch.
Over to you.
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A movie that I really enjoy. Good fun identifying the locations as they drive from London to Margate. Like a continuous GTP. ;D
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A movie that I really enjoy. Good fun identifying the locations as they drive from London to Margate. Like a continuous GTP. ;D
It is a good movie Johnwalker, I picked up a copy at a local charity shop a few years ago, however I tend to associate the Margate harbour arm with the 'Jolly Boy Outing' episode in 'Only Fools & Horses' which also shows Margate as I remember it in the 1980s.
For the next in my occasional forays into the GTP have a go at this one. I'm off he the Bluebell railway today but will try and monitor if I can get a phone signal!
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Dover?
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Not Dover John Walker
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Medway?
Amazing structure.
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closing in Johnwalker
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On a small island?
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Lower entrance to Fort Clarence St Margarets Street, next to the Princess of Wales Base.
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Sorry JohnWalker but you are along the right lines!
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So just to confirm. It is the Medway area?
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Possibly Fort Amherst? I haven't found the view in the GTP photo on Google Earth but it looks very similar.
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It is the Medway area, it is not on an island and you will not find it on GSV unless you use the satellite imagery, I can give another clue which would give it away but for the moment lets say that the photo was taken about 10 years ago and has some relevance to the Kent History Forum.
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Stewie,
Is this a fort where people on the old history forum worked?
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Lutonman, I don't believe so, the relevance was that it was a KHF organised visit. :-)
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How about Fort Borstal
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Sorry Lutonman, not Fort Borstal
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Should we be looking as far as Sheerness ?
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Fort Luton?
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Running out of forts! Fort Horsted?
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It is indeed Fort Horsted, the view shows the counterscarp gallery in on of the angles of the moat which was capable of firing in either direction. The occasion was a KHF organised visit to the fort which is now a small industrial park in October 2012 . I always liked this picture as the hanging vegetation and greenery resembles an abandoned city in the Amazon jungle straight out of an Indiana Jones movie.
Over to you :-)
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Well from the satellite view I couldn't find the exact location, so the centre of the fort is at:
- Nat'l grid: TQ 751 650
- Post code: ME4 6HZ
- WGS84: 51°21'N, 000°31'E or 51.358,0.514
<rant>Please note the accuracies. 100m is plenty accurate enough for a structure of this size!</rant>
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That caught me out, I was simply going through the forts :)
This is an old rural post office - but where? It is north of M2
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Rodmersham area?
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Eastish (sorry MartinR ::) ) from there, JW.
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Outskirts of Faversham?
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Nearer to Rodmersham than Faversham.
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Found it at last. The Street, Lynsted.
Looks like it hasn't changed a lot externally.
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GSV "camera" was cited at:
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 94282 60791
- Post code: ME9 0RQ
- WGS84: 51°18'47"N 000°47'11"E or 51.31306,0.78632
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Spot on JW, Lynsted it is.
Love your old photo, the car looks 1920s.
Over to you.
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Thanks JohnFilmer - another trip around Kent villages on Google for me ;D
Next one ...... Clues to follow if nobody gets it straight away.
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Port Lympne?
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Would this be a model village somewhere?
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Port Lympne?
Further Easterly ;D
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Would this be a model village somewhere?
Not a model. It's for real and still exists.
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Water nearby. Static and flowing.
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Close to a small country park.
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A small stream in a valley passes this property and then joins another and becomes named as a river. The stream and the river fill a few lakes on their way to the mouth.
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The remains of a mill not far away,
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Google being slightly less than helpful, but Russell Gardens seems to have the right building, including Thunderbird 3 parked on the right ::)
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Spot on JohnFilmer - I like your reference to Thunderbird 3 - I hadn't noticed it before. ;D ;D ;D
A good place for an afternoon visit. All connected together, you have Bush Ruff Country Park with lake, The formal Russel Gardens and large pond, and then Kearsney Abbey Gardens with tea room and lakes. The remains of the mill are in the trees at the bottom of Kearsney Gardens.
A stream runs down the Alkham Valley and joins the River Dour at Kearsney Abbey. I believe at one time it powered around ten mills on its journey down into Dover. Its mouth is in the inner harbour near the big outlet center.
Over to you JohnFilmer :D
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The drone used by GSV is located at:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 28460 43753
- Post code: CT16 3EE
- WGS84: 51°08'51"N, 001°15'54"E or 51.147420,1.265078
Interesting looking place, I can't say I'd ever heard of it. Maybe worth a visit once the current nonsense around Dover settles down.
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Interesting looking place, I can't say I'd ever heard of it. Maybe worth a visit once the current nonsense around Dover settles down.
Hi MartinR
It's not a problem to get to as it's well away from the problems near the docks, as long as you approach from the Canterbury direction along the A2. Also. Kearsney station is only about 5 mins walk from Kearsney Abbey Gardens.
John
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"5 mins walk", funny how that gets shorter as you get older! When I was in race walking form, that would have the best part of a mile. In my 30s maybe ⅓ mile. Now, 50' with rests or get the scooter out. :(
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I've stolen a GSV image, that gives a glimpse of a Manor House - but where?
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A2 not far away, railway only yards further on.
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Teynham area ?
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Go West!
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Newington?
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Is this house a bit out of place in its location?
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Lutonman has it, it is Newington Manor.
Lots of stories about tunnels to the church, but that’s a long way. More likely some priest holes or storage for contraband.
I remember doing a fete in the grounds with Graham and his steam railway, early 1960s, and a school friend lived almost opposite. As cubs and scouts we went past it on our way to Monkey Island, which is not an island, nor has any monkeys! Just woods, that had a trig point on top of a high point.
Over to you Lutonman.
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Aha! Found it south of the A2 in Callaways Lane. The GSV "camera" location was at:
- Nat'l grid: TQ 85796 64585
- Post code: ME9 7LT
- WGS84: 51°20'60"N, 000°40'00" or 51.34997,0.66668
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Complete shot in the dark that one. I'll set a picture up shortly.
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Here is the next one, should be easy for some. Travel west of the County to this well known place.
Similar view on GSV is possible.
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Chartwell?
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- Nat Grid: TQ 45502 51529
- Post Code: TN16 1PS
- WGS84: 51°14'40"N 000°04'60"E or 51.24438,0.08320
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As Stewie says..........
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Sorry for not keeping up, had a water leak at home to deal with in our new kitchen!
Yes Stewie its Chartwell, had a great day out last Tuesday, been there a number of time but well worth a return visit.
Over to you Stewie.
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Thanks Lutonman, we visited here earlier in the year and did some of the woodland walks so it looked familiar at first sight. Going through my pictures I found this front door, can you tell where it is? Clues, visible on GSV and is in Kent!
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The door to a house that the public can visit?
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Yes JohnWalker :-)
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West Kent :)
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Are there gardens to visit here as well?
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Yes JohnWalker :-)
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Found it. I've been there a couple of times but didn't remember the main entrance. All my memories are inside and at the rear. I'll hold back for a while as I've had quite a few lately. ;)
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Well done John Walker assuming you are correct (and the details you give suggest so), I am very impressed! For everyone else there are clues in JW's last entry :-)
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One of the residents of this house shocked sections of Victorian society with their views at the time.
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That is Charles Darwins front door at Downe House. English Heretage Property.
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Well worth a visit, went a couple of years back.
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The door is at:
- Nat'l grid: TQ 543156 161158
- Post code: BR6 7JJ
- WGS84: 51°19'53"N 000°03'12"E or 51.331504,0.0534686
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It most certainly is granderog, over to you! :)
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Thanks Stewie, went there years ago when we had a Year ticket for EH.
Where would you find this next Guess the Place?
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Quick guess - Aylesford Priory?
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Good try .Go East a way.
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A church/chapel ?
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More of a Garden Folly type building.
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Doddington Place ?
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Much further East .If you sit here you have a lovely view of the garden. If you get up and walk forwards you will need your Welly-boots. :)
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Got it :) . I'll hold fire until tomorrow in case someone else gets it.
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Thanks JW. It does seem to be only a few of us still. Here's a clue to help others .
If you sat here looking at the gardens over the years you would have had some very notable company.
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Come on the rest of you try harder. Here's a bit of bait to draw you in. Queen Mother loved the gardens.
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Walmer Castle grounds?
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That took a while................
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Well done Beachbum,
Over to you. :)
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Thanks grandarog.
Next one "The journey of Life"
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Is Octave Thanet the clue?
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I think so. Thanet area presumably ?
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The Walmer Castle feature appears to be at:
- Nat'l grid: TR3776050047
- Post code: CT14 7LL
- WGS84: 51°12'00"N, 001°24'07"E or 51.200131,1.401958
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Hi John Walker, please explain where Octave Thanet is mentioned?
Journey of Life is that a reference to Palliative care?
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Octave Thanet is the Author of the book ,Journey of life. Hopefully a cryptic clue for the area.
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So not Octave Thanet, or Palliative care................ But John Walker is warm
The clue is the function now of the Building. It was once a school
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Aberdeen House, Ramsgate.
KCC Ceremonies
https://www.akentishceremony.com/register-offices/aberdeen-house/
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Aha! A Registry Office. "Hatched, matched and dispatched." The building is at:
- Nat Grid: TR 37630 65181
- Post Code: CT11 9ST
- WGS84: 51°20'10"N 001°24'37"E or 51.3360,1.4102
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Well done Diapason, it is Aberdeen House, Ramsgate.
So the Journey of life is : Births, Marriage and Death.
Over to you..............
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A good one Beachbum. I liked the clue even if I did go in the wrong direction with it. What a coincidence that your clue was also the title of a book by a person with Thanet as a surname.
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Having trouble in successfully posting an image since my laptop has undergone alterations. Please would another member continue as, following two hours of struggling, I have had to give-up.
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What a pain Diapason. I have one ready so here goes.
Where and what is this place?
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Too easy for me .Will have to pass unless it becomes stagnant later. :)
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Some sort of a mill?
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I`m with granderog on this one!
Hopefully I`ll `sort` my photo posting problems soon.
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Still exists?
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Yes - a mill and it still exists. A2 not far away.
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The only Mill that I could think of that fits is Tonge Mill, and a quick street view later, I think it is. :)
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The only Mill that I could think of that fits is Tonge Mill, and a quick street view later, I think it is. :)
You have it JohnFilmer. It is indeed Tonge Mill. I'd never heard of it before.
Over to you ...
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Tonge Mll 2021
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Diapason have you beaten your computer into submission and can now post pictures (I had a similar problem that just appeared, and then vanished without me understanding what I had done, or not done) feel free to jump in.
I'll wait a while, as we don't all stare at our screens all the time, not being teenagers ::)
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Tonge mill at:
- Nat Grid: TQ934635 / TQ9343863566
- Post Code: ME9 9AW
- WGS84: 51°20'18"N, 000°46'33"E or 51.33827,0.77572
It was that stack that made me think of a mill. They used to be fairly common across the north when I was younger.
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Right then, try this photo found on t'internet. Circa 1950 something, earlier rather than later in my view.
The deserted road is the A2!
There are two roads behind the camera forming a crossroads with the A2, name either as the place.
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Another home from home from me, so I'll hang on for a while.
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A2 London bound Rainham,Maidstone Road behind on left .Shops are now AGGARWAL & CO LTD CHARTERED ACCOUNTANTS
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That’s the place Grandarog.
I was born a couple of hundred yards up the Maidstone Road, and about the date of this photo would be waiting by the bus stop (by the people walking away from the camera) at 5am for my Dad to pick me up in his NAAFI van on a Saturday. A trip around the military bases of Thanet was great fun.
From (dodgy) memory the shop on the right was a butcher, the middle a green grocer, and a ladies hairdresser on the left. The garage on the corner had one of those Castrol oil pumps housing a drum of oil, hand pumped into a metal jug. I have a pint jug, it has a customs & excise lead seal to denote its accuracy. There was also an hydraulic lift on the Maidstone Road entrance, one of those with a large central column and two parallel ramps. Outdoors I presume because of headroom.
At the time of the photo Berengrave Lane came[size=78%] out on a steep junction opposite the Maidstone Road. I think that the alteration of the road layout coincided with the provision of a lay by for the bus stop, at about the time of building the new Police Station to the right of the camera position. That was about 1957.[/size]
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Camera position close by:
- Nat Grid: TQ 81306 66098
- Post Code: ME8 7JB
- WGS84: 51°21'54"N 000°36'11"E or 51.36501,0.60304
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Thanks johnfilmer. Seen plenty of times when waiting at the lights.
Try this one should be very easy may even attract a newcomer to GTP.
What is it and Where was it .
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Would Oysters be involved?
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Is this one of the dummy, or practice 'bouncing bombs' recovered from the sea near Reculver?
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You have it Cat .Found by a chap and his lad bait digging at low tide off Reculver.
Over to you.
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I believe that is the concrete filling for the dummy bomb. The steel casing has long gone to the great rust god in the sky :) .
There's a statue by The Downs in Herne Bay to the great inventor - Sir Barnes Neville Wallis CBE FRS RDI FRAeS (26 September 1887 – 30 October 1979)
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Some very interesting film of the bomb trials off the coast of Reculver can be seen online. Amazing how it ever managed to do what it did. Certainly Barnes Wallis was a thinker 'outside of the box'.
Here is my next, which might not take too long as its a popular place to visit.
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Heavily timbered exterior, Ightam Mote?
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As far as I can judge, the camera position must have been at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 58511 53515
- Post Code: TN15 0NT
- WGS84: 51°15'32"N 000°16'13"E or 51.2587652,0.270305
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It is indeed the heavily timber 'East' side of Ightham Mote, which despite this pic being nearly 120 years old has remained virtually unaltered, even following its multi million pound restoration and refurbishment. To the untrained eye this elevation may just look as being medieval, but it encapsulate several hundred years of construction and repair.
Over to you johnfilmer
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Well that was a shot in the dark, it being the only heavily timbered sizeable building that I could think of.
We went there once, at a time of business stresses my wife thought a nice day out would be great. It was shut!
Back to a map this time, its a OS 25inch, 1909 from nls maps. Interesting tramway, but where?
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I've not found it but should we be looking in the Gravesend area? I have a feeling there's a tramway somewhere near there.
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Further east.
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As far as Sandwich?
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Sandwich is waaaay too far
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A tramway related to one of the Faversham gunpowder works?
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More mainstream than that JW.
Clue, look at the road name far right.
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Section of the Chatham & District Tram system ?
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Indeed, the Chatham and District Light Railway, later to become Chatham And District Traction Company, who ran the brown buses over roughly the old tram routes until 1955.
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Now to find the actual location ...
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I think it's on the A2 as it enters Rainham. Junction with Berengrave Lane. None of my maps show a tramway there though.
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I think you have it JohnWalker. It looks as though only the 3rd Ed. map of the OS (c.1907) shows the tramway running alongside Watling Street at this point. By 1929 (4th Ed. Map) the tramway has gone and largely replaced by a strip of land with Birling Avenue along side to the north. Intersting to note that switching of the tramway from one side of Watling Street to the other to avoid existing buildings, namely Rainham Mark to the west and along the middle of the High Street to the east.
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You have it JW.
Apologies for being a bit sneaky, using a different view of the same place(ish) on two consecutive posts, but I knew the history of Birling Avenue as the tram road, so set about finding something to illustrate it to our huge audience :D . They must have dug the tramway bed down when constructing the Birling Avenue, Berengrave Lane junction, as it is much lower than the A2 today, and would have been impossible for tram to get up that gradient.
Back to you JW (would you believe that phrase came up as predictive text on this iPad, we must get a life...)
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Thanks JohnFilmer. I always enjoy your map GTPs although I can't find the exact map that you use. If you could supply the link it would be appreciated.
If my PC had predictive text it would probably have 'Over to you JohnFilmer'. It's a shame more members don't join in. There is a lot of Kent history to be learned on GTP.
Next one will go up this evening. :)
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As promised - next one.
What is the name of this fine house and where is it?
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Looks a bit like Derbies Court at Stalisfield
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Looks a bit like Derbies Court at Stalisfield
Not there - you need to head South West.
Would have once contained trading stalls. The name of the building states what was sold there.
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A Wool Hall?
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A Wool Hall?
Close but not wool as such in the name.
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Corn exchange?
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Cloth Hall?
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Corn exchange?
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Cloth Hall?
Not a corn exchange MartinR. JohnFilmer is closer with Wool Hall.
Ghosts sightings just round the corner.
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Somewhere near Pluckley?
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Somewhere near Pluckley?
Not Pluckley but the right area of Kent.
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Very close to village church.
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The River Beult runs behind this property.
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Smarden?
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Water lane Smarden?
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Well Lutonman has found it and led me to it. The house is at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 87886 42357
- Post Code: TN27 8QB
- WGS84: 51°08'59"N 000°41'06"E or 51.14963,0.68500
-- but what it's called is still outstanding. You're very mysterious John!
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Would that be "Hartnup House"named after Mathew Hartnup who added the SouthEast Wing in 1671, that Luton man has found and Martin R has pinpointed.
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"The Cloth Hall", (aka "Turk Farmhouse") Grade II*. Official listing: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071366?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071366?section=official-list-entry)
"Hartnup House" is next door, also Grade II*: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1366291?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1366291?section=official-list-entry)
Thanks for the prompt Grandarog, I put Hartnup House into DuckDuckGo and the official listing came up, which prompted me to check the map and find the neighbour.
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Well done MartinR - You have the correct name for the property. Over to you ...
The Cloth Hall, Water Lane, Smarden.
Smarden was renowned as a weaving community in medieval times. As a Cloth Hall, the building would once have contained trading stalls, particularly for the sale of cloth and fine silks but also leather, salt, and more exotic imports such as spices. The River Beult flows at the end of the rear garden.
Hartnup House (pictured below) is next door.
History Dating in part from the 15th century, Hartnup House is an enchanting detached property of architectural interest and historic note and designated a Grade II* listing. In 1671 the south east wing was added by Matthew Hartnup, who was understood to have been the village apothecary and whose name is inscribed along with the date on the bressumer oversail. On either side are two single petal roses of the houses of York and Lancaster and two carved rhinoceros, which had strong medical associations throughout Europe by the 17th century. Indeed, The London Society of Apothecaries featured German artist Albrecht Dürer’s rhinoceros on its crest as early as 1617 and it was believed that vessels carved from rhino horn had the ability to detect poisons. Hartnup House and the beautifully landscaped garden with the medieval church of St Michael the Archangel as a backdrop, has been in the same ownership for almost 40 years and has been sympathetically and lovingly preserved by the present owners.
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Ouch! I was assuming that Lutonman would be next. I'll put something up shortly, and try not to upset the regulars this time.
Where is this and what part? Bonus points if anyone can give an explanation of the pit and what was found there.
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Rochester?
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Yes.
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Something Roman under there?
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Not within the photo, but something Roman was found nearby.
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Is this part of the 2016 archaeological investigation in Rochester Cathedral crypt? I believe they discovered the remains of an earlier Norman structure and also a flight of stairs leading to the cloisters.
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Yes to all three. Now all you need to do is deduce what part of the dig it was, and (for a bonus) what is it's significance.
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If this is where in the crypt I think it is, could this pit be the suggested final resting place of the bones of St Paulinus (d. 10 October 644)? Originally buried in the first Saxon church at Rochester, his remains were transferred to the new Norman cathedral by bishop Gundulf who intended to house the saints bones in a separate eastward projecting shrine behind the high altar. When the east end of the cathedral was added to, and lengthened, the old east end was removed leaving its foundations preserved beneath the present crypt floor to be found first by W.H. St. John Hope in the late nineteenth century and to a greater extent during the reflooring of the crypt in more recent years.
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Full marks and bonus bragging rights to you CAT. It is indeed the projecting area behind the original high altar. During the 2016 dig some long bones were found there, but (AFAIK) they have not been sent for dating so all that can be said is that they MAY be Paulinus' legs. The investigation by St. John Hope in the closing years of the 19thC uncovered a " decayed wooden coffin and bones" in this pit.
Paulinus was a monk who came from Rome. He was consecrated bishop in 625 and accompanied Aethelburg of Kent when she went north to mary Edwin. Paulinus became Bishop of York. Following Edwin's death he fled south and became Bishop of Rochester. He died on 10 October 644 or possibly 645.
When the new Cathedral was built, building started from the east end. Once the quire was finished Paulinus could be translated and the old cathedral demolished. The later west end of the existing cathedral enclosed the apse of the Saxon one below ground.
As CAT mentioned, from 1190 onwards the east end was extended and modernised to it's present form which involved leveling the old east end to below the crypt floor.
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Many thanks MartinR.
I shall take those marks and bag the bragging rights as I had to scratch my head to remember which part of the crypt your pic was looking at. Apologies to all those others who were virtually there with this, but it was clearly in the detail with this one :) [size=78%] [/size]
Here is my next, which is a passage through a gateway, but through what and to where?
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Canterbury?
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Not Canterbury MartinR.
Its a portal in a place not well known for its defences.
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Well I think I can discount the Medway Towns and Ashford, so would it be Maidstone?
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Know it ,will hold off for a while .Hopefully draw in some new blood. :)
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Not Maidstone either MartinR
I'm unaware of the need for a defence around Maidstone to stop either people getting in, or out, though the one way system is enough :)
Look more to the older towns to the east
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Pure speculation, Sandwich?
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I'm not ignoring ;D this one, it's somewhere I've walked past a few times recently so it would hardly be a guess in the true spirit of GTP.
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It is in deed Sandwich johnfilmer, but where in Sandwich and what is the gate's name. Bonus' if you know what part of the town it provided links to and not where it leads to know. The name of the gate could be misleading in this respects.
You and I also John Walker as its a frequent walk for the wife and I.
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Fishergate, The Quay. Other details unknown.
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Fisher Gate located at:
- Nat Grid: TR 33282 58193
- Post Code: CT13 9EN
- WGS84: 51°16'30"N 1°20'36"E or 51.27512,1.34327
Official listing at: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1005184?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1005184?section=official-list-entry)
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You have it johnfilmer, it is The Fisher Gate, Sandwich.
Originally provided access through the masonry town wall to the quayside. Supposed to have been named due to giving fishermen access to their boats on the quayside, it was more than likely the fish market close by. With its lower portion built towards the close of the fourteenth century, following the sacking of the town by the French, its upper chambers were added in the sixteenth century to provide accommodation, or meeting hall, for the Cooper's Guild who paid for the additions.
Over to you johnfilmer
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If any of you are thinking of heading to Sandwich, you might find the Sandwich Medieval Trust museum interesting. Working forge producing some evil-looking arrow heads and much more. It's on the quay opposite the Fisher Gate in CAT's photo.
https://sandwichmedieval.org/ (https://sandwichmedieval.org/)
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I may do as JW suggests, as I havn't been to Sandwich to wander round for years.
Yet again it was an absolute guess, memories of an architect in bright green rimmed glasses (in 1985!) asking me to "SWAG" an answer to a job on a pub refurb. SWAG turned out to mean "Scientific Wild Ar$ed Guess". I did it a lot when estimating jobs... 8)
Meanwhile, back at the game.
Another map, no clues yet as someone may know this. Its from a 6inch OS map revised 1907, published 1910.
Well alright then, just a little clue, the church is not named as being in the settlement that it serves, but for part of another nearby settlement
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The section of railway shows it to run (very) roughly north south, in a county of lines mainly radiating out from London.
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Well, I've followed the North Kent Railway on my map (OS 25inch 1892 - 1914 )and I can't find any point where it runs in exactly the same direction as on your map section. My map is earlier so perhaps other parts of a line were later named North Kent Line. Still searching ;D
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Got it eventually. Section of line to the west of Brookland Lake, Snodland. The full title to the southwest is Birling Common?
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Well, I've learned something there. I've always thought of that section of track as the Medway Valley Line. Obviously some changes over the years. Well done CAT.
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Well done CAT, it is the southern end of Snodland, the land being Birling Common.
The church was referred to as being at Lower Birling, some relatives were married there 1919 and that sparked an interest in it. I used to drive past it every day for about 8 years, area has changed a bit from that map!
Over to you CAT.
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The church is centered at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 70138 61223
- Post Code: ME6 5HT
- WGS84: 51°19'29"N E000°26'26"E or 51.3247,0.4404
The "Medway Valley Line" was originally the North Kent Line of the South Eastern Railway (SER). The line from Paddock Wood to Maidstone had been completed in 1844, and in 1856 this was extended to Strood. In 1899 The former rivals of the London, Chatham and Dover (LDCR) agreed to joint operations and from then on the company was known as South Eastern and Chatham Railway (SE&CR). After the date of the map, under grouping, it became part of the Southern Railway. After nationalisation it was the Southern Region of British Railways. At what point the title "Medway Valley Line" was adopted I've not been able to ascertain, but I'm fairly confident it was after grouping (1 January 1923). If you look closely at the map shown, the bottom of the ampersand is visible, giving "SE&CR", and the name "North Kent Li" is obviously the North Kent Line.
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Many thanks johnfilmer and MartinR. Its not an area I know particularly well, though I had worked nearby many years ago.
My next is another period view of a church, which is virtually unaltered except for the now missing circular 'structure', which originally possessed a specific function, to the north of the chancel. But where and extra points for details about the brick structure.
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I haven't found the church yet, but was the brick structure a crematorium as I see there's a brick chimney attached?
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Not a crematorium John Walker, neither the brick structure or the chimney are linked in function. The chimney being for a small fireplace in the church for the early school.
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Odd. It looks like a chapter house, but that would imply some sort of monastic institution. Brick makes it a bit late for that though. I suppose it could be a Lady Chapel, but they are not normally circular and not normally at the east end.
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It looks very similar to Holy Trinity, Sittingbourne.
DTT
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Not a chapter house as you say MartinR, but you are heading in the right direction.
Not Holy Trinity, Sittingbourne DaveTheTrain, you need to head inland to the southeast(ish)
The village if it can be called a village possesses two castles, one of which is hardly known, whilst the other is hardly a castle in the true sense
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Another SWAG and I think that I have it, but will hold back as I’ve been too successful lately, time for others to win.
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I think I might have found it as well but can't find any reference to the circular building. It's not a view I'm familiar with. Like JohnFilmer, I'll hold fire in hopes of new participants.
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Further SE(ish) than Faversham.
One of the 'castles' has frequent open days to its gardens, the other 'Castle' is strictly private and separately owned despite being intrinsically linked in history and their locations.
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Though the circular building was regarded as a statement structure of its time, sadly the building, and its function, lasted for 180 years before being demolished and replaced by a more typical church addition. There was also another structure of similar function on the church's southern side, being commissioned by a notable Kentish family and designed by a very notable architect of his time, this also suffered the same fate as the first building and was remodelled barely 80 years after its construction.
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The circular structure is not a chantry chapel is it?
Edit, should that be on the site of a chantry chapel?
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Though the circular building was regarded as a statement structure of its time, sadly the building, and its function, lasted for 180 years before being demolished and replaced by a more typical church addition. There was also another structure of similar function on the church's southern side, being commissioned by a notable Kentish family and designed by a very notable architect of his time, this also suffered the same fate as the first building and was remodelled barely 80 years after its construction.
The above with previous clues confirm that I might well be right in my guess. Like JohnFilmer, I have had quite a few GTPs recently so would like others to take up the reins.
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It might be on the site of a previous chantry chapel MartinR, but this circular building wasn't one as such, though burials were installed within. There was also another rectangular chapel on the southern side of this church's chancel also, which was subsequently remodelled into a typical chapel. The nature of this circular structure has its origins back in the mists of time about 2500 years ago, though this one was built towards the end of the eighteenth century.
The village this church is in is a typical 'manorial' settlement with castle at one end and the church at the opposite end and the site of its housing and market place in between the two. It has been called a 'failed' medieval town in the past, but today is still popular with the visitors.
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St. Mary's Church at Chilham?
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The circular mausoleum topped with a cupola built by the Colebrooke family for their use.
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That's where I was looking Beachbum. It is described by Hasted as having: "there was a chantry on the north side, now pulled down, with a transept, all covered with tile ... and on the north side, probably where the old chantry above-mentioned was, is a circular mausoleum, with a cupola at top, built by the Colebrooke family for their use".¹ However I could only find one castle in the village.
The church is located at:- Nat Grid: TR 06889 53653
- Post Code: CT4 8BY
- WGS84: 51°14'40"N, 0°57'46"E or 51.2445,0.96282
Additional information:
- The official listing is at: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071308?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071308?section=official-list-entry)
- Kent Archaeological Society did a report, published at: https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/01/03/CHH.htm (https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/01/03/CHH.htm)
- There is a Friends of St Mary's Chilham website at: https://www.friendsofstmaryschilham.org/ (https://www.friendsofstmaryschilham.org/) It includes a nice "potted history", and also a ground plan of the current buildings.
- Information about the bells at: https://dove.cccbr.org.uk/detail.php?tower=12618 (https://dove.cccbr.org.uk/detail.php?tower=12618) and http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=43 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=43)
¹ Hasted, Edward. The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent. Vol. VII. Canterbury, 1800. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-kent/vol7/pp263-292 (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-kent/vol7)
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You have it Beachbum and a very concise answer. It was constructed as a mausoleum for the Colebroke family, whose remains were housed in a series of chambers built into the thickness of the walls radiating from a central circular room dressed with decorative columns. When demolished, their remains were interred in a subterranean vault in the churchyard.
With regards to the two castles MartinR, most people regard the castle as the later earlier seventeenth century house and gardens. However, very close by is an unusual hexagonal early Norman keep on an earthen mote built over the remains of an earlier stone building.
I think you have it Beachbum.
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I’m pleased to say that my instinct was right. My grandfathers uncle Walter was the village saddle and harness maker for about 50years until his death in 1927. The house in front of the church, viewed from the square is his home, named Clements Cottage for him.
Some years ago we went on a company dinner that was held in the “old” castle keep, time and alcohol limit my memory of the event...
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Thank you CAT. I had looked for that second Castle and moved on, but then concentrated on the Church.
The next one for you is an entrance to England's first development of ?
Good Rail links here....
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Coastal?
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Yes, it's Coastal
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GENERAL NEWS - Rochester High Street will be closed - from the border with Chatham
That`s Gundulph Road towards - Star Hill on September 1st. ( resurfing or pipe laying ? )
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Dover?
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Anything to do with the tramway in Thanet?
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Not Dover or connected to a Tramway...
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I have seen these before, I think that they are the tunnels along the promenade approaching Epple Bay. Many of the tunnels have been sealed but one (the one pictured?), climbed via a flight of stairs up from the promenade coming out between two houses in what I thought was St Magnus Close.
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Well done Stewie, that's the right location.
So bonus points for what they led up to originally?
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I was told that they were access paths to the promenade for large homes that used to stand on the cliffs, hence the large proliferation of them in the cliffs at this point.
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The only entrance that matches that profile that I can find through GSV is opposite the slipway/beach access at:
- Nat Grid: TR 30043 69903
- Post Code: CT7 9UW
- WGS84: 51°22'54"N 001°18'16"E or 51.381533,1.304478
but that doesn't appear to correspond to any surface features on the cliff top. Is this the right one?
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From memory, it came out here between two garages in St Magnus Close.
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The view from above. Looks like if might be used by the general public.
Also, as Stewie says, they were originally for large houses to have access to the promenade. 1907 map
Trying to work out the original clue - 'Good rail links here', apart from it's fairly close to Birchington Station?
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So this is Beresford Gap with a small slipway opposite the entrance as seen in the GSV.
The purpose of this entrance was to serve Englands first Bungalow Estate. Englands first Bungalow was built nearby at Westgate, unfortunately the site could only allow Bungalows to be built.
The original builder, John Taylor, then moved along the coast to where John Pollard Seddon, a well-known London architect, had bought land along the cliffs at Birchington at the time of the great railway boom of the 1860s.
The Kentish Gazette of 1870 advertised 240 plots of freehold land for sale by Ventum, Bull and Cooper in the ‘rural simplicity of Birchington’. That year saw two small bungalows built each side of Coleman Stairs, later named ‘Fair Outlook’ and ‘Poets Corner’. In 1872 two more bungalows were built close by, ‘Delmonte’ and ‘White Cliffs’, with ‘Skyross’ added in 1873. These five bungalows were assured of “perfect privacy as there is no private right of way along the cliff”.Mostly they were known as "White Tower Bungalows" due to having a Tower within the Bungalow.Among the collection of some 2000 drawings by Seddon in the Victoria and Albert Museum is one sheet titled the "Cliff Estate" showing how he planned to develop and expand the site to incorporate the recently-constructed railway station, renamed Birchington-on-Sea in 1878, with the present Station House also designed by Seddon.The first 13 bungalows were intended as second homes for "gentlemen of position and leisure", enjoying the class distinctions of Victorian times.
Okay Stewie, over to you.......
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Thanks John. I was looking at the grassed area, about halfway between your two arrows. I think you have identified the exit but we'll have to wait for Beachbum to come back online. Oops, we crossed in the post!
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This is the current day view.............
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John Walker's photo is spot on for the location, so MartinR is correct with the references (Thank you).............
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Thankyou Beach bum. Mrs Stewie and myself walked from Minnis Bay to Margate a couple of years ago and along the promenade approaching Epple Bay, came across a number of abandoned tunnels and substantial brickworks. Many of the tunnels have been sealed but one climbed via a flight of stairs up from the promenade coming out between two houses in what I thought was St Magnus Close. The brickwork which is quite substantial in places and to me resembles that found on some of the 'Palmerstone Folly' era forts so possibly Victorian. At the time, we could not identify why the area needed so many tunnels as there seemed to be no obvious reason for them either above or on the promenade itself. We noticed the ramps down to the sea from the promenade but these seem to be newer than the brickwork so may be a red herring. We were later told that the tunnels pre date the concrete promenade, so most likely would have given access to a beach area.
I don't have much to entertain you with so will put up this offering taken a couple of years ago as well. Can you say where it is and what it was?
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A funicular down to the bathing pool at the Lido Cliftonville? I can't see any steps on GSV so that's why my guess is a funicular.
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Spot on Johnwalker, described on the internet as the Margate beach railway but it did link to Cliftonville Lido. Apparently came out of use late 1970’s. I chose the photo because it was taken on the same walk to Broadstairs that took us past the mysterious tunnels in the previous GTP. Over to you 🤓👍
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I've been doing a bit of research on the site, and the story is quite complex.
Margate Cliff Railway was constructed during the winter of 1912-1913 to provide access from the top of the cliffs
to the promenade below. As of 2022 all that remains is the concrete slope of the railway. The whole Lido complex, including
the openair swimming pool at the foot of the cliffs, was built over the site of the original Clifton Baths during the 1920s.
The remains of the original baths are listed grade II.
The cliff railway was constructed as an inclined lift, not a funicular, having just a single carriage.
It ran on a straight 5' gauge track from a top station opposite the end of Athelstan Rd down to the promenade on a 45°
slope for a distance of 60'. The lift was counter-balanced by a weight running in a vertical shaft. As originally
constructed it ran down behind the face of the cliff, but by 1972 this portion of the cliff had eroded. Further erosion
is visible on the current photograph.
Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 36041 71392
- Post Code: CT9 1RX
- WGS84: 51°23'33"N 001°23'29"N or 51.39244,1.39150
GSV:
- Aerial view: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3922953,1.3913152,188a,48y,358.36h,0.23t/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3922953,1.3913152,188a,48y,358.36h,0.23t/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1)
- View from promenade: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3925466,1.3913819,3a,75y,149.01h,97.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV-hKoubFC8FWlAGPSnS65Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3925466,1.3913819,3a,75y,149.01h,97.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV-hKoubFC8FWlAGPSnS65Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
Additional views:
- Today: http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/mar.htm (http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/mar.htm)
- 1972: https://www.flickr.com/photos/28083135@N06/5152003267/in/pool-886903@N22/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/28083135@N06/5152003267/in/pool-886903@N22/)
- 1930: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1392729?section=comments-and-photos (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1392729?section=comments-and-photos)
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Interesting stuff. I've been going to that area since I was a nipper and don't recall seeing that lift. In the 60s, Hades Night Club was underground at the Lido. We supplied some of the equipment. It had a great atmosphere with all the disco lighting but when the service lights were on, it was a dirty tip of a place.
This photo shows the Lido in its prime. The lift can be seen on the left, partly hidden behind the cliff.
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Taken from the top of the cliffs in the 50s
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The nightclub was constructed in 1962 by adding a concrete curved staircase and gallery to the original (now listed) circular chamber. This was constructed 1824-28 for the storage of bathing machines and formed part of the Clifton Baths. The circular chamber has 8 alcoves where the bathing machines were stored, the large circular area allowing the horses to turn around. A tunnel connected the chamber to the beach. Also connected was the "Lower Reservoir" which was a rectangular structure filled by the tides. It was used as a plunge pool for ladies and children, men of course used the sea.
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Lido complex photo attached showing the Railway lift
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Hades was a great Nightclub with Spencer the DJ. Regular fights meant plastic beer pints.Very dark inside with a Kitchen up some stairs and a balcony to view the dance floor.
I went back in 1990's and was shocked at the poor condition structurally, but amazed by the huge complex and it's past.
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That's excellent Beachbum. You can see two of the alcoves which were constructed for the bathing machines and circular dance floor which was where the horses could turn around. does anyone have any more shots within the area?
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Hades, Another shot.............
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A better view of the Dome.......
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The dome was originally freestanding and 33' high which protruded above ground level. This was truncated during the 1920s reconstruction of the site. The gallery and stairs date fropm 1962, but I have no information about the two concrete piers and the girders supporting the roof. I suspect that they are from the 1920s, but on the other hand they seem to be as one with the platform.
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An interesting thread. Do you know what the state of the Hades nightclub is now Beachbum? I would hope some work has been carried out if its listed.
Next GTP coming up when this thread has finished :)
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The official listing is for "REMAINS OF THE CLIFTON BATHS AT CLIFTONVILLE LIDO, ETHELBERT TERRACE".
The surviving parts of the Clifton Baths are designated at Grade II for the following principal reasons:- Constructed between 1824-28 this is one of the earliest surviving seawater bathing establishments in the country, only two listed examples being earlier in date, both of which were later converted to residential accommodation.
- The lower reservoir is probably the earliest surviving seawater plunge bath in the country;
- The circular chamber and bathing machine tunnel of the Clifton Baths are the only known examples of purpose-built structures built to store bathing machines and convey them to the beach;
- The Clifton Baths is the only known example of a sea bathing establishment which was dug out of the cliffs, altering the existing topography.
The nightclub was constructed before the remains were listed (1962 vs 2008) and I doubt that anyone would be looking to protect the nightclub specific features, only the historic Clifton Baths fabric. AFAIK there are no preservation/restoration/access plans ATM, the owners are just not allowed to damage the remains.
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That's a shame MartinR. I can foresee the deterioration continuing.
I'll put the next GTP up this evening.
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I said I was researching, well this is the latest information that I have found. The owners, Stour Side Investments/Stour Side Developments went into administration during July 2017. As of 2021 the administrators, Duff & Phelps, are considering a sale of the whole site. The administration will come to an end on 11 July 2023 and it appears that a company has paid a £25,000 deposit for a fixed price option.
There is a voluntary organisation, "Save the Lido" who have been clearing rubbish from the site (by the ton) and have organised laser mapping of the whole complex, including the underground sections which was completed by Thanet Council. This was during 2020, apparently they were unable to access the site during 2021. Their work was funded by a £44,000 from the Coastal Revival Fund.
Also in October 2021 a large hole in the carpark adjacent to the sea wall has appeared.
In summary, some people are trying to preserve the site, some people are hoping to develop it, the council is interested, BUT it's all tied up in administration.
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Lido Complex :
I did a full tour of the site in the mid 1990's. The structure is soaked with metal rot and blown concrete.In my view, beyond saving.There has been a history of so called redevelopments schemes and disputes.
The Winter Gardens will now follow the same route.
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Right - here we go. Your next GTP.
Where is this and what is there now ?
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Isle of Grain Refinery? Now Thamesport Container Terminal?
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Isle of Grain Refinery? Now Thamesport Container Terminal?
Not there Beachbum but it's likely this vehicle collected fuel from the Isle of Grain.
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The old depot at Aylesford, by the level crossing?
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Lido Complex :
I did a full tour of the site in the mid 1990's. The structure is soaked with metal rot and blown concrete.In my view, beyond saving.There has been a history of so called redevelopments schemes and disputes.
The Winter Gardens will now follow the same route.
Many thanks for all the information about the Cliftonville Lido, that was a really interesting exchange of information, especially about the circular building for the bathing machines. I do remember that on our Margate to Broadstairs walk we both thought how run down the area was with lots of signs of neglect and graffiti (though some of this was quite artistic). I had always thought that Cliftonville was the 'posh' area of Margate!.
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The old depot at Aylesford, by the level crossing?
Not there JohnFilmer. I believe that was a Shell depot for domestic and small commercial deliveries.
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We've been close to this location a few times fairly recently.
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The storage tanks still exist but have new cladding.
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Sittingbourne?
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Not Sittingbourne Lutoman - head west - near water.
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Northfleet?
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Northfleet?
Not Northfleet Lutonman but in the right area. Head east a tad.
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Canal basin Gravesend?
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Canal basin Gravesend?
Gravesend yes. Canal basin no.
The storage tanks now have half dark green and half silver cladding. Look very smart. Tankers still operate out of there but with different products.
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Conways Bitumen Suppliers, Clifton Marine Parade Gravesend, :)
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Conways Bitumen Suppliers, Clifton Marine Parade Gravesend, :)
Spot on Grandarog.
It was the Corralls Oil Terminal around the 80s and 90s. A subsidiary of the mighty Powell Duffryn Group. Corralls had a number of oil terminals along the south coast. Gravesend, Bridge, Shoreham Portsmouth, and Southampton. They worked in conjunction with UK Petroleum, also owned by Powell Duffryn. Later on, they all came under the UK Petroleum flag. This was followed by a buy-out by CPL Ltd (Coal Products Ltd) Otherwise previously known as the Coal Board before a management buy-out. A big step backward as Coal Board staff didn't use computers. They were still in the dark ages with everything in triplicate on paper. CPL had shed staff due to the use of computers but under CPL they were having to work two systems - computer and paper. The workload for the reduced UK Petroleum staff was horrific until CPL caught up with modern systems. Other buyouts followed but CPL still trades under the CPL name. I believe Certas Energy is the holding company.
The Bridge Oil Terminal was decommissioned after the Buncefield explosion as it stored thousands of litres of fuel only 30ft from houses. (The houses were built after the oil depot was operating). I was the Oil Terminal Manager at Bridge for 20 years.
Over to you Grandarog.
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Thanks John Walker and Google earth.
(I put Gravesend up and the tanks were easy to find.)
Here,s the next .Where did i spot this on a country drive about.
Clue to start you off in countryside between M2 and M20
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Hopefully it’s not me, something missing? ::)
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Sorry, Thanks Johnfilmer ,Not you it was me having a senior moment.Picture is up now. :)
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Bitumen at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 63970 74467
- Post Code: DA11 0DY
- WGS84: 51°26'44"N 000°21'29"E or 51.44546,0.35812
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Hartlip area?
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Go Southish, you arent that far away.
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South Street?
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Lutonman, red hot,what road?
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1 Chalky Road South Street near junction with South Street Road?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3185018,0.6275924,3a,75y,278.73h,90t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sxkEG6uBcK95pqhM9zQE1aQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%
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Spot on Lutonman. (Dare say John Walker was touring the lanes on google maps with you)
Over to You . :)
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I didn't have a clue, so well done Lutonman. Here are the co-ordinates in case any one is interested (possibly not needed with a full address and map already provided):
- Nat Grid: TQ 83199 60968
- Post Code: ME9 7QR
- WGS84: 51°19'06"N 000°37'39"E or 51.31832,0.62757
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Thanks Grandarog, Yes it took a bit of trawling but for a change I had the time. Normally I have to bale out.
Next up a coastal view from where?
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Shellness Rd, looking toward the east end of Leysdown-on-Sea. GSV camera at:
- Nat Grid: TR 04057 70205
- Nearest Post Code: ME12 4QX
- WGS84: 51°23'39"N 000°55'54" or 51.39418,0.93178
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That's correct MartinR over to you
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Where's this rather fine example of autumnal colour? The photo was taken in September 2018.
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River Medway?
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No, but part of the system.
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I have an idea where this is but I won't join in as I'm still away at the moment. I have no access to my images if I have the correct place.
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Is it Mote Park Maidstone?
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Sorry Lutonman, I should have replied earlier but other events have had my attention today. Yes, it is Mote Park, taken from my Kayak in the middle of the lake.
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Thanks MartinR, I think I have a very similar shot of the lake.
Now for this one away from the water.
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Nice Pub ,been there. Will hold off for a while unless the thread stalls. :)
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I wouldve got the Mote Park one if I had logged in sooner! Since lockdown ended I have been there nearly every day apart from in the recent rainuness.
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I'll give it until tomorrow and then add a clue.
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Snodland?
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Not Snodland go North
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I remember this from a previous GTP. I'll hang back for a while to make sure I've got something suitable to put up if no one else calls it in the meantime.
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The Gardeners Arms. Higham
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Garr, didn't go far enough north. Anyhow, it's located at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 71116 71365
- Nearest Post Code: ME3 7AS
- WGS84: 51°24'56"N 000°27'34"E or 51.41548,0.45935
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Well done Shoot999 and over to you.
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Thanks Lutonman. It had stuck in my mind from a previous GTP as Mickey Pearce from Only Fools and Horses attended the reopening a few years back.
Next one. A familiar site to those that know....
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That's the shelter between the clock and the St Catherines Hospital alms houses at the top of Star Hill, Rochester. The photograph is taken from a funny little appendix of City Way:
- Nat Grid: TQ 74648 67901
- Nearest Post Code: ME1 2AA
- WGS84: 51°22'60"N 000°30'30" or 51.38329,0.50839
I suppose I should add that those are the new almshouses dating from the late 1790, the original hospital was on the High Street and was founded in 1315 by Symond Potyn. The current buildings are listed grade II.
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All yours MartinR. Used to sit up there or Jacksons on a Sunday in the 50s with all the other kids watching the coastal traffic return. Simpler times. :)
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Here's one that some of you may know instantly, the others will have to work on! It's a Commonwealth War grave, but where?
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Thats at Chatham Synagog Cemetery. There are 2 other Jewish graves there from the First World War. One was a female Merchant Navy Stewardess if I remember correctly.
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Quite right, I didn't think that would last too long. It's rare to have a burial ground alongside a synagogue, it's one of the uniqure features at Chatham. Next to the grave I showed is the rather large memorial to Lazarus Simon Magnus whose father paid for the present synagogue as a memorial to his son. Location for anyone interested:
- Nat Grid: TQ 75116 67880
- Nearest Post Code: ME1 1BX
- WGS84: 51°22'59"N 000°30´54"E or 51.38295,0.51510
Over to you Grandarog.
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Thank,s MartinR.
Apologies, my bad for spelling Synagogue incorrectly.
Sticking with the same theme ,
Where did I come across this Memorial some 12 years ago.
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Quick stab - St Dunstan's Church, Frinsted?
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Quick answer, "Ouch" correct Stab.
If you google the family name, there's lots of info about them.
The house still stands and is listed.
Over to you John Walker.
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Wow! I wasn't expecting that Grandarog. I saw the house name (Kippen) on the inscription and did a search. The one in Frinsted came up so I took a punt on it being St Dunstans Church.
Next one - shouldn't be too difficult.
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Dymchurch beach with a section of the Mulberry Harbour?
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Sorry, Littlestone....
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Well done Beachbum. I only learned of the existence of this piece of wartime history recently. From what I understand, it had become stuck in the silt and had to be left behind. Some time back I made the journey to Arromanches in Normandy and saw the remains of the Mulberry Harbour. An amazing feat.
Over to you ...
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Visible on GSV at https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.9831464,0.9837963,182m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.9831464,0.9837963,182m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1)
Location (no post code to save Pat+cat from a soaking):
- Nat Grid: TR 09530 24653
- WGS84: 50°58'59"N 000°59'02"E 50.983141,0.983781
Actually, another reason for no post code: would anyone be foolish enough to put it in their satnav and follow instructions? ;)
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More information here ...
https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/news/phoenix-caisson-in-kent-designated-part-of-the-mulberry-floating-harbour-used-in-the-d-day-landings/ (https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/news/phoenix-caisson-in-kent-designated-part-of-the-mulberry-floating-harbour-used-in-the-d-day-landings/)
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Official listing with more history: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1415588?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1415588?section=official-list-entry)
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I went to Normandy on the 65th anniversary of D-Day. This was the scene on the beach at Arromanches showing remains of the Mulberry Harbour.
During the trip we also visited the Pegasus Bridge where my father dropped as a para to re-inforce the glider crews after they had taken the bridge. He was part of a two-man Vickers Machine Gun crew. Once the area was secure his regiment went on to fight numerous battles pushing the Germans back.
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Thanks John Walker and MartinR for the info on this amazing relic and the story of the change they made.
So the next one for you has amazing Chimneys...................
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The dormers remind me of Aylesford Priory, but I don’t think the chimneys fit.
Keep searching...
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West Kent ?
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So not Aylesford.
Mid Kent
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A gatehouse?
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Or a farmhouse?
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It is a Farmhouse listed as a Manor House............
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17th Century.......
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Not sure where to start the search so, I'll offer Boughton Monchelsea area ?
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Ightam Moat area maybe??
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So go East from Boughton Monchelsea JW.
Not Ightam Moat area............
On a main road
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Sutton Valence area ?
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Go East from Sutton Valence, and South from Faversham
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Next to a "Landmark"
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So are we in Boughton Lees or Boughton Aluph?
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Is the 'Landmark' a church ?
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Further South MartinR. Not a Church, it's a criptic clue JW.
Recap: 17th Century Manor House on a Farm, on a main A road. You can see these Chimneys when passing. One stack are Octagonal.
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Not a CT postcode, TN applies
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Well Great Paddock Farm, next to Landmark Range Rover fits the bill:
- Nat Grid: TQ 99116 50234
- Nearest Post Code: TN25 4DW
- WGS84: 51°12'60"N 000°50'59"E or 51.21658,0.84971
Except that it is roughly NE of the two Boughtons, not south.
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Spot on MartinR. Apologies for the Boughton mix up, I looked at Boughton under Blean...............
So this is on the A252 Canterbury Road between Challock and Charing:Great Paddocks Farm, high on the North Downs at Challock, is a manor house dating from the 17th century.
Given listed building status in 1957, it is a rare Grade II* property, which means it is classified by English Heritage as a “particularly important building of more than special interest”.
English Heritage records that the red brick house is early 17th century with alterations in the 19th and 20th century, noting wooden mullioned windows and an interesting gabled roof. Look upwards to see the chimney on the left is two lovely “coupled” chimneys, while on the right, you can see four quirky octagonal chimneys.
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Official listing for Great Paddock Farmhouse: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071302?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071302?section=official-list-entry)
Now for the next one. An interesting little window. The glass is modern (1879), but the window itself is much older. Where, and for bonus points, how old?
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Quick guess - St Helen's, Cliffe. I remember reading of vandalism there a few years back and wonder if this is one of the repaired windows,
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Sorry John, unless you have a really long memory you won't remember 1879 when the glass was put in! :P
Hint: If a crow decided to fly there from Cliffe, he'd be knackered after about 16 miles. And if you decided to walk there in a straight line you'd be very wet. :)
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Maidstone area?
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Sorry John, unless you have a really long memory you won't remember 1879 when the glass was put in! :P
Hint: If a crow decided to fly there from Cliffe, he'd be knackered after about 16 miles. And if you decided to walk there in a straight line you'd be very wet. :)
Whoops. Didn't read your post thoroughly 😁
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Sheppey ?
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You're determined to swim aren't you? Head south.
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Staying west of the River Medway ?
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No, East.
Please excuse me if replies are a little delayed over the next 24 hours. I've got to have a little clinical investigation and the preparation may occupy me for a few hours this evening, and again tomorrow morning.
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Hope all goes well for your clinical investigation MartinR.
Aylesford ?
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Thanks for the good wishes. I little uncomfortable and rather undignified, but in the scale of things not to bad at all. Trouble was the preparation was inadequate and they want to have a third go at me in a couple of weeks.
Fron Aylesford, go east. CLUE: Apparently a pagan god owned this place.
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I've searched various churches (I'm assuming it is a church?) east of Aylesford but it might be that window doesn't appear in any of the photos I've found. Will have to take some guesses.
Thurnham area?
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You're heading in the right direction, but you've only got halfway there. Yes, it is a church. I've just checked, and it's not on GSV. However the window is visible in both the village and the church pages on Wikipedia. Wikicommons has exactly the same photo.
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At last - found it! St Giles Church,Wormshill. The following fits the clues nicely.
A church existed before the Norman conquest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_England). In 1086 the lack of change in value pre-conquest to 1086 (as now) may suggest that no major building work had occurred in the intervening 20 years. In the south wall of the nave by the porch is what looks like an Anglo-Saxon double-splayed window. The window had been covered up and was revealed in 1879. Tatton-Brown (1993) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Giles_Church,_Wormshill#CITEREFTatton-Brown1993) states that it is not possible to be certain that it is an Anglo-Saxon window, but it is possible it could be early Norman. The official listing record describes the church as "First half C11, C13 and C15, restored 1879–80 by Clarke" which agrees with Tatton-Brown's earlier date.
The village itself has pagan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan) roots as indicated by the toponymy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toponymy) of the name Wormshill (from the Anglo-Saxon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon) god Wōden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%8Dden)). The church appears to have been built, at least in part, by Normans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans) as it displays Norman architectural (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_architecture#Religious_architecture) features. The church also contains a 13th-century chest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chest_(furniture)), first discovered in the early 20th century. The church register dates back to 1700.
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Bang on the nail. Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 88184 57447
- Post Code ME9 0TR
- WGS84: 51°17'06"N 0°41'50"E or 51.28507,0.69716
As you've found, WP pages at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormshill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormshill) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Giles_Church,_Wormshill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Giles_Church,_Wormshill)
Official listing at: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060971?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060971?section=official-list-entry)
Next clue would have been "Taking a train to the station will not help you" - Wormshill & Bredgar Light Railway!
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Thanks MartinR - I was way off beam for a while on this one. Couldn't have found it without your clues.
Next one. Shouldn't last long. Still exists and is easily seen on GSV. (The name on the wall has been photoshopped out)
16th-century timbered-framed and white-walled country pub, Grade 2 listed.
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Until recent years it was the only pub with that name in England. It was initially a brewery as well.
It also doubled-up as the village store for a period.
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Very quiet perhaps a further clue needed.
East Kent
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The Black Pig at Staple..............
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You have it Beachbum. My maternal Grandmother was born close to this pub. It's the small hamlet of Summerfield, Staple. Her Dad is listed as a market gardener.
Over to you.
https://staple-online.com/history%20of%20the%20black%20pig.html (https://staple-online.com/history%20of%20the%20black%20pig.html)
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 27877 56379
- Post Code: CT3 1LF
- WGS84: 51°15'40"N 001°15'53"E or 51.26100,1.26477
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Thanks John Walker.
The building has a very interesting history. As the story goes the timbers which were used to build the pub came from The Spanish Armada (known to the English as The Black Pigs - hense the name) wrecked off the the Kent coast in 1588. Although it is thought that some part of the building dates further back.
The next one for you.................
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Found it but I'll hold back for now, having submitted quite a few GTPs lately.
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Recognised the gate,but had to think where I had seen it.
Will hold off like John Walker.
Maybe attract some one new to the game. Come and play.
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Thanks grandarog and John Walker.
So where are all our other Members? Please have a go at this Fun game and try your own secret location if you get the right answer.
Come on and have a go, clues will always be given to help you...................
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Another clue...........
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If no other takers by this evening, I'll pitch in to keep things moving.
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We can but try to get new seekers. You are all welcome. Come on out of the woodwork, don't be shy no one will laugh at you if you guess wrong.
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So this entrance is in a Thanet Town...
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The picture is being viewed a lot, but no guesses.
Huge clue for you "Hair Salon"
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Is this now some sort of a college?
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This is a small Housing Complex built in 1897 and still functions, complete with a Chapel.
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Almhouse complex? It does remind me a bit of the ones Watts Charities have in Rochester.
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Correct shoot999, check out the clue below for the name...........
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ps. it is in a Thanet Town, not Rochester
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Called something like "Barber's Almshouses" by any chance?
Ah, yes - found it! Barbers Almshouses, Elms Avenue, Ramsgate, CT11 9BN
More info to follow
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Spot on MartinRHidden away around the corner from Clarendon house school in Ramsgate is this amazing Almhouse.
"Almshouses For Poor Persons Of Good Character Of Not Less Than 60 Years Of Age Who Have Residen In The Parish For Not Less Than 15 Years."
These Almshouses were built, endowed and dedicated to the poor of the parish of St. George by the will of Frances Barber, for many years a resident in that town, in order to perpetuate the memory of her husband Francis Charles Barber and her only son William Charles Barber
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 37931 64924
- Nearest Post Code: CT11 9BN
- WGS84: 51°20'01"N 001°24'51"E or 51.333595,1.414292
The gateway to the Barber’s Almshouses, erected in 1899 to the designs of WG Osborne and Langham and Cole, is listed at Grade II for the following principal reasons:
Architectural interest:
* the gateway is a distinctive design of strong architectural character, well executed and defined by its ornate detailing within an Elizabethan-cum-baroque style.
See the official listing for the gatehouse: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1461618?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1461618?section=official-list-entry)
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As you can guess from the name, this was taken in March of last year, but where?
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Is there water close by?
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Yes
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I'm 99% sure I know this one but I'll hold fire for others to guess. :)
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Time for a cryptic clue I suspect: "You might say that this was a Stock photo".
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Let's try one more cryptic one: "If I had a string of beads (or perhaps a necklace of beads) they might show the way to the stations".
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Too cryptic for my brain. :-[ ??? :( :)
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Less cryptic: North Kent
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Time for the evening clue: the water John mentioned is the River Medway. Come on, that should make it really easy.
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Wild guess time, Rochester area?
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Pretty well due south from Rochester
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Time for another clue? The site was originally used for its current purpose in 1242 but ceased to be in 1538. It returned to its current use in the late 1950s. The name of the nearby village shows that it was an ancient crossing place.
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Come on you lot ;D . MartinR has practically given it to you ...
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Aylesford Priory?
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Yes! Any chance of saying where in the Priory?
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Is it Rosary Way?
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That's right, over to you.
- Crytic clues: St Simon Stock reputedly lived and worked at Aylesford in the 13thC, hence the "stock" photograph. The shrine houses a fragment of his skull. The string of beads is of course a rosary. The Rosary Way has the stations of the cross around it.
- Obvious clues: The priory was founded in 1242 as the first Carmelite priory outside of the Holy Land. It was dissolved by Henry VIII in 1538, but the Carmelites bought the site and house back in the 1950s and built the current shrine.
The camera was located at:- Nat Grid: TQ 72491 58923
- Nearest Post Code: ME20 7BX
- WGS84: 51°18'12"N 000°28'23"E or 51.3032930,0.4730749
More from Wikipedia at:- Aylesford Priory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesford_Priory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesford_Priory)
- St Simon Stock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Stock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Stock)
The grounds are beautifully kept and on a nice day are ideal for a gentle stroll. Money is requested for the car park, but there are no Blue Meanies or Yellow Peril, so it is on your conscience. As you approach the main shrine, there is the Peace Garden through the archway to your left. Walk past there and down the side of the shrines and you can wander around the tranquil Rosary Way. Note the fantastic array of white roses (well, as a Yorkshireman I would notice them) and the magnificent mature trees. There is superb access for wheelchairs/mobility scooters. Obviously, if there is likely to be a religious observance, consider carefully.
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Thanks, MartinR, I was only able to join in late as I been rather too busy lately to get online.
Here is the next one, where will you find this, it's on a house wall.
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Coastal?
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Broadstairs ?
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Certainly coastal but Broadstairs is too far East.
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Sheppey?
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Not on Sheppey
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Quick punt... Whitstable?
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Whitstable is the correct Town now to find the correct place.
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WaveCrest on the seafront. Where Peter Cushing used to live?
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John Walker, its further inland,
Clue: Side of a terraced house
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There are hundreds of terraced houses in Whitstable plus it's quite an arty place. Going to be quite a search :D
One of the roads off the High Street ?
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Certainly, it is off the High Street, a former Prime Minister might help you.
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Found it at last - I had searched along that road but GSV stops before the house. After your clue Lutonman, I just noticed the artwork in the distance.
Gladstone Road? 51.35882879343344, 1.0263959391374182
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Google shot
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Yes, well done John Walker, its used as part of another Treasure/quiz trail which my wife and I do every now and again. They get you to look around parts of towns and cities where you might not normally go.
Over to you.
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Well thanks to those incredibly precise coordinates¹, I can present:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 10800 66542
- Nearest Post Code: CT5 1JF
- WGS84: 51°21'32"N 001°01'35"
¹Accurate to 0.03 microns!
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Yes, well done John Walker, its used as part of another Treasure/quiz trail which my wife and I do every now and again. They get you to look around parts of towns and cities where you might not normally go.
Over to you.
Thank you Lutonman. I enjoyed that one as I visit Whitstable quite a lot and was surprised I'd not seen that artwork before. Many of those terraced houses were under water in the flood of 1953. Your treasure hunts sound like a lot of fun :)
Next one shortly.
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Next one ....
What and where was this ?
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Were the premises at some stage a maltster's? The central building looks like the base of an old oast house, modified to be a general office or store. The cowl beyond reinforces this, as does the "OFFice" sign. I'd guess at a date of inter-war, or possibly as late as the 1950s?
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Were the premises at some stage a maltster's? The central building looks like the base of an old oast house, modified to be a general office or store. The cowl beyond reinforces this, as does the "OFFice" sign. I'd guess at a date of inter-war, or possibly as late as the 1950s?
You're right on track MartinR :)
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Eastern half of Kent.
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Water not far away
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This brewery no longer exists and this view is not on GSV. Now mainly residential.
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A zoo was close by many years ago.
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Cobtree/Aylesford area? Not really eastern half, but it did have a zoo and is to the east of the Mudway.
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Cobtree/Aylesford area? Not really eastern half, but it did have a zoo and is to the east of the Mudway.
Move a long way east Martin. Probably nearer to being a menagerie rather than a full-blown zoo now I think of it.
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East of Canterbury?
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East of Canterbury?
Yes shoot999, East of Canterbury
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Eastry?
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Cobbs Brewery Margate, being near to the former Dreamland Menagerie.
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Spot on BeachBum. It is indeed Cobbs Brewery. This view would have been from King Street next to the owner's house which was one of my earlier GTPs.
The yellow line shows the area of Cobbs Brewery and the arrow points to the subject of this GTP.
Over to you ...
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Cheers John Walker. I searched so many old Breweries then remembered the Lion Cages of Dreamland..
This one has great Links from 1914 and renewed since..............
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Well with a bit of digging around in the 25" OS map of 1892-1914 I think that the circular brick structure nearest the camera was at:
- Nat'l grid: TR 35485 71132
- Coords: 51°23'26"N, 001°23'01"E or 51.39034,1.38336
If I'm not mistaken the roadway leading from the camera to the circular structure is today represented by Cobbs Court.
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That looks maritime. I suspect that we are looking at a place where the phone lines cross navigable water. As a first guess are we adjacent to the Medway or the Swale?
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Your correct so far MartinR, but the wrong Coast
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I'm fairly certain I know this one but will hold back. :) It's not really a guess in the spirit of GTP when you know a place :)
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I received this while trying to log on
Suspicious Website - not up to date.
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Yes, the certificate expired last midnight. Your browser is warning you that the connection is not secure and might not be trustworthy. Just don't post your bank details or the combination to your safe. ;) Normal forum traffic is not security related, so the problem can safely be ignored (IMHO).
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Back to guessing, then it's either got to be the River Stour, or else the waterways associated with the Royal Military Canal (though I'd have to check the Kent border in the latter case).
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It's gone very quiet on here. Is everyone getting the same warning message? Who sorts the certificate out?
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Its will be down to Stuart, but I think he is away at the moment. Just have to bear with it. My antivirus keeps telling me it's a bad site but I just ignore the message.
back to the GTP, is it the Isle of Thanet that we are talking about
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I fear the site is going as did the previous one. Very sad but there's not been much happening or messages from anyone including myself for a long time now. Hopefully it won't go but.
AlanH.
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I no longer have Stuart's email address. Has anyone pinged him?
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Have just emailed him.
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All,
Stuart is away and will deal with the certificate problem as soon as he is able. Please be patient
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No Idea of the place.
Thanks to Stuart we are all good to go again. Onwards and upwards.  :) :) :)
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Thanks for sorting the problem out Stuart. Much appreciated.
I'll still hold back on this one. More questions to narrow it down should help. :)
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Last guess was the River Stour, or else the waterways associated with the Royal Military Canal (though I'd have to check the Kent border in the latter case).
More importantly, thanks Stuart, your guardianship of the forum is much appreciated.
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It's great to be back, thanks Stuart.
So the link is to Ostend. A Sea link, so not the Stour or Canal
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is this something to do with the coal carrying aerial ropeway between Tilmanstone Colliery and Dover harbour which cut through the cliffs at Langdon Hole?
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Ah, long distance phone lines. would this be Deal or its immediate area?
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I fear the site is going as did the previous one. Very sad but there's not been much happening or messages from anyone including myself for a long time now. Hopefully it won't go but.
AlanH.
As long as I'm alive and physically able to, this Forum is not going to go away. I don't contribute as much as I'd like to, but I do read every post and look in on it every day. Unfortunately, my area of expertise and interest is quite limited. I think a lot of people lost interest when the old forum closed down, but at risk of repeating myself, barring serious unforeseen circumstances, this one won't be going anywhere.
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As long as I'm alive and physically able to, this Forum is not going to go away. I don't contribute as much as I'd like to, but I do read every post and look in on it every day. Unfortunately, my area of expertise and interest is quite limited. I think a lot of people lost interest when the old forum closed down, but at risk of repeating myself, barring serious unforeseen circumstances, this one won't be going anywhere.
That's good news Stuart. I really appreciate you keeping this site running and realise that it's not an easy task. It's a shame that many of the topics aren't well-supported. I don't have a great deal of knowledge that other members might find interesting but add posts when I do. GTP is ticking along nicely but it would be nice to have more participants. I think a lot of members either don't have photos to add or don't have a facility to upload them for GTP.
Thanks again.
John
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So MartinR is close and Stewie is the wrong direction..........
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Now I have access back on the Site (thanks Stuart), I have checked back on previous answers that I missed.Apologies to Lutonman, you were in the right area. Have another go Lutonman?
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Found it at last. I knew I had seen the picture before,just a case of trawling to try and find it again. It's on the Broadstairs History Site.
It shows workman hauling the undersea cable to the exchange hut at the top of the cliffs at Dumpton Gap to complete the lines connecting England and Belgium. It was supposedly completed in 1914 but some suggest it was 1926.
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Strange. Signs like that are usually placed to warn shipping about the cables, specifically so that they don't anchor in the vicinity. Anyhow, the location of the hut behind the sign is:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 39528 66680
- Nearest Post Code: CT10 1TJ
- Lat,Long (WGS84): 51°20'55"N, 001°26'18"E or 51.348686,1.438354
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Sorry, have been away from the PC for a couple of days. I'll always join in when I can if only to help others locate the general area of the GTP.
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You have it grandarog. So this is at Dumpton Gap, Broadstairs.Othe cables have been layed in more recent times.
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Forgot to post the Photo...............
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That was a good one Beachbum. Very interesting too.
https://www.broadstairsapartments.co.uk/post/the-subterranean-secrets-of-dumpton-gap (https://www.broadstairsapartments.co.uk/post/the-subterranean-secrets-of-dumpton-gap)
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I've just had a look at the chart for the area. There are three cables marked as running out from Dumpton Gap. One seems to just peter out, but the other two run right across the chart in the general direction of Belgium. There is, however, an annotation next to them: "Area of disused cables". Well below my maximum anchoring depth though!
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Thank,s Beachbum :)
Heres my next one .
Clue to start you off Swale area.
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Medical centre ?
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Not a medical centre but serves a community.
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Sports facility of some sort?
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Village Hall ?
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Beat me to it John, my thoughts were village or church hall.
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Yes ,it is a Village Hall. :)
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Mid Kent?
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Bredgar?
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Milstead village Hall ?
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John Filmer has it,well done :)
Over to you for next teaser.
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Hall is at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 88119 60253
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 8EX
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'37"N, 000°41'52"E or 51.31029,0.69771
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Sorry for delay folks, I do picture postings on this laptop as the iPad is hopeless (read that as I havn't a clue how to do it...) and herself was on a Zoom meeting yesterday evening. The joys of Sainsburys this morning, and here we are.
One of those 6" to mile OS map clues of a small village with everything there, School, Pub, Church, Vicarage and Church Farm.
Simple, but where? All the names of these features have been left on to help.
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Hern Hill?
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Well done Lutonman, spot on the money.
That didn’t even outlast Liz Truss ::)
Never mind, only 3 more PMs until Christmas...
But only if they bring it forward 8) (Many thanks to BBC Have your Say for those quips)
Over to you, Lutonman.
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Just in case anyone is interested, the crossroads in the centre of the village is at:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 0651 6076
- Coords (WGS84): 51°18'30"N, 000°57'42" or 51.3085,0.9616
Oh, and BTW, it's "Hernhill", not "Hern Hill"
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Thanks JohnFilmer,
Try this one, obviously near a river
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Rochester 1912.
This image shows the unveiling of a plaque to commemorate the death of Percy Henry Gordon, who died whilst rescuing a girl from drowning in the nearby River Medway.
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Beat me by 3 minutes Beachbum ;D
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Walked past it many times:
- Nat Grid: TQ 74076 68638
- Nearest Post Code: ME1 1QQ
- Coords (WGS84) 51°23'24"N 000°30'02"E or 51.390082,0.500537
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Well done Beachbum, that did not take long. Over to you.
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Thanks Lutonman.
So another Building with interesting Chimneys.............
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Too interesting, nay distinctive!
The Lazarus Hart Havens of Rest, 1-10 Thanet Rd, Ramsgate. Grade II listed, number 108606. Grid reference (from official listing) TR 38710 65531
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Well done MartinR, spot on..........
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Where is this cheeky chappie? I've a feeling this won't last too long.
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I think I've found it but the image I've found is quite small on my mobile. Guildhall Museum in Rochester - on the stairwell ceiling?
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Yes John, you have it.
I can understand why a phone photo would be a bit small, I used a 75-300mm f/4-5.6 lens at 105mm which with the crop factor of APC-C works out at 165mm. I then further cropped the photo in GIMP. Shutter speed was 1/200 with the on-camera flash fired. I should have used an additional flash to bring out the 3D, but I'm afraid I was recovering from climbing the stairs (sad, I know).
Guildhall Museum is at:- Nat Grid: TQ 74377 68501
- Nearest Post Code: ME1 1JU
- Coords (WGS84): 51°23'20"N, 000°30'17"E or 51.38876,0.50479
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Thanks Martin - I wasn't 100% sure but it was the only cherub I could find with the head at that angle. Interesting camera info.
Next one ...
1st clue - can be seen on GSV
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Pluckley area?
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Pluckley area?
It has the look of Pluckley but further east. Not on a main road but easy to see on GSV
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Is Wye too Far East?
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Is Wye too Far East?
Need to go further northeast quite a way. This house is a bit remote but there's a large house fairly close and a few other houses in the vicinity. A village with a pub, a village hall, and a church within walking distance.
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Close to a small river.
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Close to a disused railway line
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Royalty, Pop stars, and orphans would have passed this house.
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Poor John, no-one's talking to him! ;)
Pure guess, are we anywhere near Sarre?
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Tyler Hill?
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Not Tyler Hill or Sarre. Tyler Hill is nearest though.
Another clue. The end of an escape tunnel is reputed to be at this house.
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In which case is the river the Stour? and are we near Fordwich?
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In which case is the river the Stour? and are we near Fordwich?
A tributary of the Stour. Getting closer with Fordwich but not there.
A famous writer of old lived nearby.
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To sum up so far:
- Closer to Fordwich than Tyler Hill, so within 5 miles of Fordwich.
- The end of an escape tunnel is reputed to be at this house, anyone any ideas?
- A famous writer of old lived nearby, who?
- Royalty, Pop stars, and orphans would have passed this house, probably true of any house on a main road.
- Close to a disused railway line, can't find a trace on GSV satellite, anyone go any ideas?
- Close to a small river, can't find any rivers other than the Stour within the area.
HELP!
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To sum up so far:- Closer to Fordwich than Tyler Hill, so within 5 miles of Fordwich.
- The end of an escape tunnel is reputed to be at this house, anyone any ideas?
- A famous writer of old lived nearby, who?
- Royalty, Pop stars, and orphans would have passed this house, probably true of any house on a main road.
- Close to a disused railway line, can't find a trace on GSV satellite, anyone go any ideas?
- Close to a small river, can't find any rivers other than the Stour within the area.
HELP!
Time for more clues.
The place that Royalty, Pop stars, and Orphans were going to is only about 300 mtrs away.
A lot of the track bed of the railway still exists
Some related buildings to the railway still exist.
A railway tunnel is not far away.
The river mentioned flows intermittently and is within a stone's throw of the house in the photo. It joins the Stour some miles further on.
The building is grade 2 listed and was built around 1680.
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I kept going back to the same area, with the Bourne Park Railway Tunnel, Nail Bourne River and St. Marys Church.
A day later, I finally found the House...............
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Well done Beachbum. It is in fact The Dower House at Charlton Park, Bishopsbourne. The Dower House is out of shot to the left of the attached photo of Chalton Park. Over to you.
There were in fact three writers from the village of Bishopsbourne.
A collective biography of three of the most distinguished stylists writing in the English language, who lived and died in the small village of Bishopsbourne in Kent: Richard Hooker (1554-1600), the theologian whose major work Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity, provided the philosophical underpinning of the Elizabethan Anglican movement; the celebrated author Joseph Conrad (1857-1924) who wrote his last novels there and Jocelyn Brooke (1908-1966), the Proustian author of the 'Orchid' trilogy which shot him to fame in the late 1940s.
The river is the Nailbourne
The railway is the Elham Valley Railway which runs a few hundred metres from the Dower House
In August 1970 a pop concert was held in the grounds. Bands included Pink Floyd, The Faces, Mott the Hoople, and Caravan
The Orphans were children at Charlton Park when it was a Doctor Barnardos Home.
For details of my other clues, please read the following brief history of Charlton Park.
Charlton Park is at least eight centuries old. The first mention of it is in 1240, but it is likely to have been established by the time the manor of Bishopsbourne was acquired by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 811. The Tudor core of the present house was built around 1580 by James Herringe, a wealthy local yeoman. In 1636 the estate was bought by the Aucher family, who had acquired the rest of the manor of Bishopsbourne at the Reformation. By 1800 it belonged to the Foote family, who added the Regency facade and the west wing containing the magnificent first floor ballroom. The east wing was added in the 1840s by General Sir Frederick Mulcaster.It is likely that Caesar watered his cavalry in the Nailbourne (then a permanent river; now a winterbourne) in the area of Charlton Park after his first battle against the Britons on Barham Down in July 54 BC. During the Civil War in the 1640s, the then owner Sir Anthony Aucher spent time in the Tower of London for having been on the wrong (Royalist) side, an experience that probably explains why, when building the Dower House around 1680, he constructed the secret escape tunnel that once connected it to the house.The ballroom was built around 1810 by Robert Foote to entertain the Prince Regent and his mistress Elizabeth, Countess Conyngham. A story persists that at one ball, a drunken ADC jumped his horse out of a ballroom window, killing both. Jane Austen probably visited the house; she was close to Roberts uncle, Admiral Sir Edward Foote, Captain of the Royal Yacht, who used the house as his country home and probably introduced Robert to the Prince. She was also great friends with Robert's cousins, the 5 daughters of John and Eleanor Foote of London, who frequently stayed at the house. During World War 2, Charlton Place was requisitioned for the unit responsible for the long-range Boche-Buster anti-invasion gun mounted on a railcar on the line that then ran behind the house, which of course was never needed. For 20 years after the war, it was a Dr. Barnardo's home; several people who were children then appear from time to time to share happy memories.Charlton Place A fine Grade II* listed mansion set in wonderfully maintained grounds. The house sits proudly amongst mature parkland dotted with fine specimen trees and is known as Charlton Park. A splendid wood-paneled entrance hall with large open fire, welcomes you into the body of the house, off which lies a morning room and drawing room. Beyond the hall is the substantial kitchen/family room with ceiling-height windows creating a wonderful light space with seating areas at both ends by open fires, with a central kitchen with an AGA and a dining area in the bay. To the rear of the ground floor are the farm office, library, cloakrooms and a fully operational commercial kitchen. Substantial cellars, including 2 wine cellars, lie under most of the ground floor.On the first floor are six extremely comfortable bedroom suites, and two further bedrooms and a kitchen. Also on the first floor is the ballroom, an imposing 40ft room with a large bay window and fine piped plaster mouldings. A wood-burning stove gives wonderful warmth to this splendid room which overlooks the mixed borders, woods and parkland beyond. On the second floor are four further bedrooms, two bathrooms, a kitchen, a water tank store room and further store rooms. This property has 129 acres of land.
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Thanks John Walker. I remember as a Kid collecting Conkers behind the Barnardos Home and walking along the Railway line after the Beeching Cuts.
The next one is known as a Country Home. Sadly the Main Building was demolished in the 1950's.Other Buildings survive including the Burial structure.........
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Well done to both of you. Even after Beachbum found it I spent ages going up and down Bishopbourne itself looking for it. Anyhow, for those like me that couldn't find it, the house is located at:
- Nat'l Grid: TR1917351810
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 5JA
- Coords (WGS84): 51°13'24N 001°08'15"E or 51.223388,1.137425
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That is Turners painting of the old Eastcliff House Ramsgate.There was an article in the papers some time ago. Apparently, the cliff below where the house stood is riddled with tunnels. Some with openings in the cliff face were used by the Army for defensive purposes during WW2.
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There's no obvious crop markings on GSV to reveal exactly where the house stood, but the immediate grounds are now the King George VI Memorial Park. I've located the house on an overlay from https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=51.34311&lon=1.43366&layers=168&b=1 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=51.34311&lon=1.43366&layers=168&b=1), it's a distance from the Synagogue and mausoleum:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 39254 65977
- Nearest Post Code: CT11 8BD
- Coords (WGS84): 51°20'33"N 001°26'02"E or 51.34249,1.43395
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I'm curious about the 'burial structure' mentioned by Beachbum.
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I remember the foundations of Eastcliff House after demolition. I always imagined ladies in crinoline dresses walking up and down the stone steps that were still. I was young though and fanciful.
The beautiful greenhouse ( orangery ?) still there and now a cafe I believe. Haven't been back to Ramsgate for years now but lived there in the 50s.
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Well done grandarog, spot on.
So this was the home of Sir Moses Montefiore, known as a Global campaigner for Jewish emancipation.The nearby Synagogue is still used and maintained, and contains the Mausoleum.
The main Tunnel was used by smugglers Horse and Carts, but was blown up and sealed.
The Caves where The Granville Caves. Nearby Wellington caves became HMS Fervent for WW2.
See attached photos from tthe 1935 Sales Brochure..............
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and some more.............
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The mausoleum is not in the synagogue, Jews do not bury their dead inside synagogues. The mausoleum is a separate structure alongside the synagogue, see https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3405054,1.4280615,49m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3405054,1.4280615,49m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) where the domed building is the mausoleum and the larger building the synagogue.
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Apologies, I thought it was a complex containing the two structures.
Sir Moses was a fascinating person indeed
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Thanks, Beachbum. That provoked a nice discussion. :)
Where would you see this fine chap looking down at you.
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Quick guess: Canterbury Cathedral?
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Is this in a ruined building?
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Not Canterbury but it is in a town. The building is certainly not ruined.
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Folkestone?
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A Viking?
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Inland town not coastal.
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Ashford?
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Maidstone?
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Maidstone it is. :)
You just need to find him now.
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Is it visible from the street?
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All Saints Church ?
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In full view from street level. Also visible on GESV.
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Should we be looking for a church?
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Not a Church.
Clue: - He does not stand alone.
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That was a good one Grandarog - had me going round in circles.
89 Bank Street, Maidstone
TQ 7655 NW883/2/10016
Maidstone BANK STREET
Formerly insurance office, now building society offices. Built in 1913 as the district office of Prudential Assurance Company, possibly by Paul Waterhouse who carried out many commissions for this company. Tudor style. Upper floors timber-framed with plaster infill, ground floor of Portland stone. Plain tiled roof with brick chimney stack. Two storeys and attics; two windows. Upper floors have close-studding with plastered infill. Two projecting gables with decorated carved bargeboards and elaborately carved bressummer. Each gable has two paired arched windows with leaded lights with a lozenge pattern below. First floor has two oriel windows with three mullioned and transomed windows with leaded lights and carved bases. Decorative central rainwater head with a quatrefoil motif.
Four ogee-shaped stone niches with statues of Kentish worthies under four-centred wooden arches with blank shields and foliate moulding to spandrels.
These are (right to left) Archbishop Courtenay, Caxton, Sir Christopher Marlowe and Lord Avebury.
The ground floor has a stone shopfront with carved stone bosses, pilasters, two oak framed windows and two doorcases with rectangular fanlights and arched doorcases. Right side plank doorcase has studded door.
INTERIOR: Ground floor has square ribbed ceiling with plastered vine motifs. Right side staircase has moulded balusters and newel post with panelling below.
Included as a good and complete example of an insurance office in this unusual arts and crafts style.
Listing NGR: TQ7604555697
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I wondered where you were yesterday, John Walker. Well done. Was also Post Office for a while.
89, Bank Street, Maidstone, Kent (britishlistedbuildings.co.uk) (https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101271515-89-bank-street-maidstone-high-street-ward#.Y1lrQbbMLAw)
Your turn. :)
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Thanks Grandarog,
Just sorting the next one.
In the meantime, here's a view of 89 Bank Street.
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Reading about Margate, we were on holiday the week the Pier Pool opened. I read recently, the Lido opened the same day.
We had the rooms above the fish & ship shop, near Dreamland, when our two kids, brought a six foot rubber boat, into the
restaurant, with the intention of bringing it, up the spiral staircase to our room, spraying all the customers with sand, as they were eating.
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Here we go - next one.
Part of a larger site. Quite rural.
What and where?
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Is it the old Marley site near Harrietsham?
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Is it the old Marley site near Harrietsham?
That was quick JohnFilmer - well done. I thought it might last a bit longer. The site is now enormous and appears to be still operating.
When we moved into our council house in 1951, all the downstairs rooms had Marley Tiles. Dark brown with a mottled streak. Fitted carpets came many years later in our house. The Marley site appears to manufacture plastic piping etc.
51.24545275675208, 0.7015302357699851
Over to you ...
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Back to a map. Should be very simple, lots of clues in the pic.
So, where is this station?
From: OS 25inch 1908
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I've found it but will hold off for now. :)
I should add that I recognised the location so it was hardly a guess in the spirit of Guess the Place,
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Very quiet!
It is a much simpler place these days, the rails curving down on the right have long ago been lifted, but signs of its previous importance remain.
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Looks a very similar layout to that at Minster in Thanet.
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Sandling Park Junction?
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Not Minster or Sandling Park.
More mid Kent.
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That is a main line running left right, or as MartinR would say, east west.
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Presumably it’s a station on the former South Eastern Railway network as it has staggered platforms and small carriage turntables leading from the dock.
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Were those turntables common? It would be a signalling nightmare, not to say a right royal PITA for trains held at the outer distant whilst someone man-handles a carriage over the tracks.
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That is a main line running left right, or as MartinR would say, east west.
Am I Daft or doesn't Left to Right equal West to East :)
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I did realise the east/west mistake this morning, but hoped that nobody would notice ::)
Should have known better...
So, how many main lines were there in mid Kent in 1908? Rather narrows it down. Then how many stations on it have a now obsolete spur?
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Were those turntables common? It would be a signalling nightmare, not to say a right royal PITA for trains held at the outer distant whilst someone man-handles a carriage over the tracks.
In the days when the gentry would take their carriages with them on the train, the small turntables would allow the carriage (minus its horses) to be loaded onto a wagon at the dock and then attached to the rear of the train using either of the turntables, and hence the staggered platforms. The wagons would be hand shunted by station staff.
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Am I Daft or doesn't Left to Right equal West to East :)
Probably, certainly :P
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Headcorn.
- Grid reference: TQ 83706 43998
- Coords: 51°09'57"N, 000°37'35"E or 51.1657,0.62614
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Well done MartinR it is Headcorn. (That’s read West to East 8) )
It was an interesting station, with the connection to the light railway to Tenterden and beyond bringing goods for onward shipping to London as well as the local produce and passengers.
A claim to fame was that the troops returning from Dunkirk evacuation by train stopped at Headcorn where locals served refreshments.
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OK try this map segment. Lots of Roman and later activity.
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quote "A claim to fame was that the troops returning from Dunkirk evacuation by train stopped at Headcorn where locals served refreshments."
My Aunty Kitty was one of the ladies that made sandwiches at the railway station for when the trains stopped there on the way to London full of our troops rescued from Dunkirk.I have a photo somewhere.
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I'll bet they were a bit fresher and more appetising than the curling cardboard that BR used to serve.
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Quick stab at it. Blue Bell Hill area?
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That didn't last long! The Roman road is now Chatham Road, the track linking the pits is Old Chatham Road (weird that the "old" road is the newer of the two) and the current Bluebell Hill (A229) passes roughly along the right-hand edge of the chalk pits. See the overlay below.
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Lucky guess. Lived a bit further north of this in the 60s opposite Fort Bridgewood, so quite familiar with the contours of Bluebell Hill as a biker in those days.
This shouldn't last long.
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A sports event ?
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A sports event ?
Yes.
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Random Guess. Folkestone Racecourse.
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Early days at Brands Hatch?
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Early days at Brands Hatch?
You have it johnfilmer. From the 40s when the track was dirt and the races held counter-clockwise. View up Paddock Hill Bend to the Pavilion.
Over to you.
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Had seen a similar photo many moons ago. My father used to take my much older sister on the back of his James motorbike (remember them?) to spectate about then.
I’ll be back later with the next, as I haven’t a clue how to send pics from this iPad.
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A small church in an isolated position, not visible directly from GSV, but plenty of pictures when you click on the name. An unusual dedication will help you find it.
Not my usual area, to the west of the Medway
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Got it. Will Pass for a while.  :)
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Sevenoaks area?
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That general neck of the woods (clue), JW, but head more northeasterly (ish).
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West Kingsdown, St Edmund King & Martyr, Fawkham Rd.
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 57991 63354
- Post Code: TN15 6AY
- Coords (WGS84): 51°20'50"N, 000°16'02"E or 51.34731,0.26721
For more info on the church: http://www.st-edmunds.co.uk/history.html (http://www.st-edmunds.co.uk/history.html) (but note that the reference to Rochester Cathedral refers to the current building, the original goes back to AD 604).For more info on St. Edmund: http://www.st-edmunds.co.uk/st-edmund.html (http://www.st-edmunds.co.uk/st-edmund.html) or of course our old friend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the_Martyr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the_Martyr)
The tower holds just a single bell (weight unknown, diameter 29") cast in 1963 by Mears & Stainbrrok and hung for swing chiming.
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You have it MartinR.
A lovely little church in the woods. My wife’s parents are both buried there.
Over to you...
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Right, this one is a stinker! :)
The two pictures show a type of lamp which is on display in a museum in Kent. I'd like to know the museum (which may be relatively easy to guess), but also what type of lamp is it (not what is it used for). As a hint, they are/were uncommon in Kent. There's a close up of part of the base which helps to determine the type of lamp, if you know!
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Possibly a Stephenson lamp. Used in the Welsh Coalfields?
Kent Mining Museum, Betteshanger?
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Well done John, I was expecting to last much longer than that. The Kent Mining Museum at Betteshanger was the easy part, but to correctly identify an early "Geordie" is impressive. They were used extensively in the North-East in particular and were regarded as far safer than the rival "Davy". On 16 February 1882 The Trimdon Grange colliery disaster occurred (69 men died) and the subsequent coroner's report to the House of Commons noted that: "the result of this inquiry is a further proof, if further proof were needed, that the Davy lamp affords no security whatever ... and that its employment ... ought to be absolutely prohibited". When the benefits of the two lamps were incorporated in the Clany (and particularly its development the Mueseler) the basis of the modern safety flame lamp was developed.
Over to you.
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Thanks MartinR.
Many years ago I visited the Rhondda Heritage Museum in Trehafod, South Wales. I am sure a lamp like that was discussed in the guided tour of the pit head. The name stuck in my head but I wasn't certain. Perhaps South Wales and North East mines used the same lamp? I visited the Betteshanger Museum this Summer. Small but very interesting. Contains a lot of the social history of the Kent mining area.
Next one
Where is this pub and what is the name?
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Thats out in wild and wooly land. I will pass for a while. :)
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That's the Ringlestone Inn near Harrietsham. Last time I went there, it was a Shep's House but was a freehouse for years.
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A mother and daughter ran it for years. Very strict in their ways. If you were lucky, they let you in and served you. Any problems out came the Shotgun. Nobody argued with them. :)
Very nice now more upmarket than when the old dears ran it.
HOME | Theringlestone (https://www.theringlestone.co.uk/)
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Location:
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 87912 55764
- Post Code: ME17 1NX
- Coords (WGS84): 51°16'12"N, 000°41'33"E or 51.27004,0.69238
A bit outside Ringlestone itself, and well away from Harrietsham or Maidstone.
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Well done StuartWaters. It is indeed the Ringlestone.
I used to drive out there from Canterbury in the 60s. Amazing atmosphere. The place was black with smoke. Stone floors and a music 'jukebox thing' with a very large metal disc with holes like a pianola has.
I'm not sure if there was an electricity supply - very dark in there so possibly candles. There might have been a generator out the back though.
Over to you
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My sister and I took a Canadian cousin and his wife there in probably 1969. It would have been around June as Charlie tried to go to the D-Day celebrations most years.
I think that candles and a low power generator were used later in the evening.
Memory (which can be a fickle thing...) has it that the Gents was still an external affair. Although there was always the “pick a tree” option.
Charlie’s wife Margaret had not been into the darkest depths of Kent before, so we went to the pub via every little lane that I could find, including one that is now impassable, or was last time I went that way, or tried to!
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I agree with your comment about narrow lanes. We used to drive along the single-track lane from Doddington in the dark. Made it seem like such an adventure. I hadn't realised it would have been an easier drive from the A20 at Harrietsham. No Sat-Nav and no maps to hand. I'd just been given directions to take a right fork after Doddington and keep driving through dark wooded areas until I got there.
Photo shows how narrow the lane is and it seemed to go on for miles.
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If the metal disk was vertical, then it was probably a Polyphon player. Unlike the pianola where the holes produce the notes, the holes in a polyphon are where metal has been bent back to form a pin-like structure. There's a link below to a short video showing how the system worked. The one in the video is horizontal, but Polyphon produced much larger vertical ones sometimes with multiple tracks, accessed by moving the disks slightly sideways.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Polyphon_Stille_Nacht_Heilige_Nacht.webm (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Polyphon_Stille_Nacht_Heilige_Nacht.webm)
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If the metal disk was vertical, then it was probably a Polyphon player. Unlike the pianola where the holes produce the notes, the holes in a polyphon are where metal has been bent back to form a pin-like structure. There's a link below to a short video showing how the system worked. The one in the video is horizontal, but Polyphon produced much larger vertical ones sometimes with multiple tracks, accessed by moving the disks slightly sideways.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Polyphon_Stille_Nacht_Heilige_Nacht.webm (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Polyphon_Stille_Nacht_Heilige_Nacht.webm)
That's it MartinR. The one I remember at the Ringlestone was upright with the disc facing the front at around chest level. Might have been a glass front but I'm not sure. I don't recall hearing it play.
EDIT: Just found this image. Very close but I don't recall the case being so ornate.
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I have a photo on my phone but it's far too big to add. I need to upload it to my pc and "shrink" it. Please bear with me till this evening.
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Okay, does anyone know where this old fuel pump is? ME postcode area to get you going..
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Quick guess, the dockyard?
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I don't recall seeing it anywhere.
Visible on GSV ?
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Not in the Dockyard but not far from it. In the same general postcode area, ME4.
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And yes, it is visible on GSV...
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Chatham Hill area ?
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Is it the old Jetway Service station, Reform road, Chatham?
DTT
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Not a service station, more a former depot. Not far from Chatham Hill.
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Would that be a bus depot or a military depot?
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To be honest, I don't know. The pump is in front of what is now a warehouse.
Time for a clue methinks. The name of this place is reminiscent of the Yorkshire countryside.
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Is it Pilchers depot on Beacon Hill road, the old coach depot?
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Nope 😃
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There is chalk In the background, so it must be close to Chatham Hill.
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That's a pretty wide clue! Hills, dales, mountains, valleys, fields, plains, fells for starters.
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Not far from Chatham Hill......
Another clue a bit later on.
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Dale Street, Chatham ?
Struggling with this one. I'm not sure if the Yorkshire clue relates to a road name or a company name etc. Not an area that I'm very familiar with. Will keep trying ;D
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I'm glad the "Guess the Place" crew are having to work for their lunch on this one (in the nicest possible way).
Not Dale Street John but getting there....
Time for another clue and this one might give it away. The large warehouse to the left of it, out of shot, is now used by a heavenly charity.
To win this one, I want the address and the name of the charity.
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That really was a stinker ;) .
Gillingham Street Angels (Better Life Assemble on GSV), Jenkins Dale, next to L&N Radio. The pump is in the background - a tiny blip on GSV :D .
Not sure of the Yorkshire Clue though.
51.376588551708295, 0.5275313101541733
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Same here. Must have been up and down this road half a dozen times these last few days and never spotted it in the background. I assumed the clue was Jenkins' Dale as that's the address used by the properties in that area and on the street signs.
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Found thatnks to you guys. Pump is at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 75999 67189
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'35"N, 000°31'39"E or 51.376473,0.527429
I've not given a nearest post code, since that might be Chalk Pit Road, which would be misleading.
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JW was the first to get the Gillingham Street Angels on Jenkins Dale (the Yorkshire-related clue). My wife works for them as manager at their cafe on the Victory Pier estate in Gillingham. They are, unfortunately, a growing charity whose services really shouldn't be needed in 21st Century Britain.
The warehouse on Jenkins Dale is used to store donations of food from supermarkets (mainly Morrisons and Marks and Spencer). These are then distributed from their food bank at the top of Skinner Street in Gillingham. It's also used to store donated furniture and other items to be given away to those in dire need or sold on in their shops to raise money.
I have suggested to Neil Charlick, the CEO and co-founder of the charity that the pump be recovered, at least cosmetically restored and then sold for thousands.
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They have a bit of a problem with the name. Until a week or so when I talked to the people getting the Chatham shop ready, I had thought that they were the people who helped those who had "over-indulged".
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Thanks StewartWaters. On Google Maps it just shows the road as Jenkins Dl rather than Jenkins Dale. Hence me missing the Yorkshire clue. As you say a worthwhile charity and a great shame it is needed in this day and age.
I've seen pumps being renovated and sold on various TV programs. Some models are in big demand by collectors.
Next one up later.
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Well done, JW I was close in that I thought it was Jenkins dale, but had not found it. A good one,kept me guessing.
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Right - here we go.
Name of property and location?
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Pretty sure I've seen this one it in a newspaper article but will hold off for a while.
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Mid-Kent
Small village
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A river at the bottom of the garden.
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Going back to Stuart's fuel pump for a moment, there is a local museum that might be interested in it: https://rochesterairport.co.uk/non-pilot-info/the-old-petrol-pump-museum.html (https://rochesterairport.co.uk/non-pilot-info/the-old-petrol-pump-museum.html)
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Further clue. Next to the village church.
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GSV has fashionably gone on strike on my iPad, so I’ll be a little vague. Is it in Smarden, on Water Lane, River Beult between it and the church?
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Well it's working on my machine and Johnfilmer's suggestion looks to be bang on the nail. Pending confirmation from John Walker the location is:
- Nat Grid: TQ 87925 42334
- Nearest Post Code: TN27 8QB
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°08'58"N, 000°41'08"E or 51.14941,0.68554
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Well done JohnFilmer - Over to you.
Next door to the Cloth House that was one of my earlier GTP's
Hartnup House, Smarden
History:
Dating in part from the 15th century,
Hartnup House is an enchanting
detached property of architectural
interest and historic note and
designated a Grade II* listing. In 1671
the south east wing was added by
Matthew Hartnup, who was
understood to have been the village
apothecary and whose name is
inscribed along with the date on the
bressumer oversail. On either side
are two single petal roses of the
houses of York and Lancaster and
two carved rhinoceros, which had
strong medical associations
throughout Europe by the 17th
century. Indeed, The London
Society of Apothecaries featured
German artist Albrecht Dürer’s
rhinoceros on its crest as early as
1617 and it was believed that vessels
carved from rhino horn had the
ability to detect poisons.
Hartnup House and the beautifully
landscaped garden with the
medieval church of St Michael the
Archangel as a backdrop, has been
in the same ownership for almost 40
years
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I used to drive past that house a lot in my heating estimating days.
GSV is fine on my laptop, but WiFi is a bit iffy because of the construction of our cottage. Concrete block and beam construction for both ground and first floor means a lot of steel reinforcing rods in the exposed beams, forming a part Faraday Cage. We use plugin booster thingys and the signal in my wooden garage 20yds from the house is excellent. Not really helped by the incoming phone line being a mile of overhead from the exchange shed in the village.
I’ll post from the laptop in a while, once “She who thinks she should be obeyed” stops being the Amazon Queen ::)
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I think that this is a nice simple one, but then I know the answer...
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Don't know what the building is but it looks like Queenborough old pottery kilns in the background.
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Harbour Master's House ?
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Grandarog has the pottery kilns correct, Queenborough it is.
I knew this building in the 1960s when it was the Yard Foreman’s residence. A school friend lived there, it was very odd inside with exceptionally high ceilings and walls that did not always reach them.
All flattened now :(
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Thanks johnfilmer.
I still have no idea what the building was when the photo was taken..
I thought it had a Navy connection as it appears to have a Flagpole and Jackstaff in front.
Will sort a GTP tomorrow,
PS .Have just watched the Festival of Remembrance, beautifully presented this year as always.
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Here you go for the next one.
One from my Postcards.
Street and Village Names.
Roughly central Kent.
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Quick guess. I can't match it exactly on GSV but it has the look of Stone Street, Cranbrook.
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Well Done john Walker. Your quick guess is spot on.As you say not a lot of the old architecture left ie. Chimneys gone.
Over to you. :D ;D
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Thanks Grandarog. I was looking in the wrong part of Stone Street but the feel was of Cranbrook. I've never actually walked around the town. Looks really nice so must try and pay a visit sometime.
Next one up soon ...
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Name of pub and where?
(Name on weatherboads cloned out)
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You have done it again John Walker .I will pass on this one as one of my Wife's Ancestors ran the Pub in the 1880's. :)
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You have done it again John Walker .I will pass on this one as one of my Wife's Ancestors ran the Pub in the 1880's. :)
Grandarog, hopefully you will have interesting history to add once it's been guessed.
Clue for the rest of you - South West Kent.
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Near a village on a steep hill.
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Nice hotel at the top of the hill in the nearby village.
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The Peacock Inn, Iden Green, nr Goudhurst
https://www.peacockidengreen.co.uk (https://www.peacockidengreen.co.uk)
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Spot on Shoot999. I nice old pub which I have called in to on a few occasions.
I don't have any history on The Peacock but perhaps Grandarog has some.
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It wasn’t me Guv, it was Grandarog wot said he had history there...
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It wasn’t me Guv, it was Grandarog wot said he had history there...
Whoops - I've gone and done it again - sorry. Have corrected my error. :-[
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I don't think this one will need any clues.
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It was my wife's ancestors. Jeffrey and Amos Mercer that were Beer Sellers and Landlords of the Peacock in the 19th Century.
PEACOCK Pub of Iden Green (dover-kent.com) (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Peacock-Iden-Green.html)
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It was my wife's ancestors. Jeffrey and Amos Mercer that were Beer Sellers and Landlords of the Peacock in the 19th Century.
PEACOCK Pub of Iden Green (dover-kent.com) (http://www.dover-kent.com/2014-project/Peacock-Iden-Green.html)
Interesting pub. Will mean more to me next time I call in. :)
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Shoot999 - ref: your GTP - anything to do with Thames Port ?
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Shoot999 - ref: your GTP - anything to do with Thames Port ?
Not Thames Port John, but you are thinking along the right lines.
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Assumed this would go quickly as these were well known structures about 40 years ago and featured a number of times on the old site. John Walker's guess isn't far off.
Having just checked the location again it is not surprisingly just another housing estate. :(
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Grain Oil refinery?
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Not the refinery, but the right river.
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Just into pure guesswork now as I don't know the area that well - especially not 40 years ago.
Chatham Dockyard, St Mary's Island?
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Spot on John. I thought one of the Medway locals would have jumped on it. Although I did take the pic nearly 50 years ago! :D
I was Duty Officer on a ship berthed opposite Upnor Castle and took this one evening looking over No1 Basin towards St Mary's Island.
Over to you
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Didn't have a clue where to start with that one.
Swinging way off subject, is it just me or has everyone else noticed the Forum Clock has always been 12 hours out and been too polite to comment. :-[ :)
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Thank you Shoot999. I had a look on GSV and it looks like some of the cranes still exist. The last time I visited the docks would have been in the 1950s. A coach trip with my parents to Navy Day. I was in awe of the battleships etc.
Nest one up soon.
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Didn't have a clue where to start with that one.
Swinging way off subject, is it just me or has everyone else noticed the Forum Clock has always been 12 hours out and been too polite to comment. :-[ :)
It's one hour fast on my PC :D
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Well I noticed that the forum clock said "November 17, 2022, 07:59:34 PM" when the PC (which gets its time ultimately from atomic clocks via the internet) said 19:59:34 17/11/2022. Can't see any problem with that.
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Well I noticed that the forum clock said "November 17, 2022, 07:59:34 PM" when the PC (which gets its time ultimately from atomic clocks via the internet) said 19:59:34 17/11/2022. Can't see any problem with that.
Mines correct now - methinks someone has altered it ;D ;D ;D
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If you look at the time you posted you will see what I meant.
Stuart must have seen the posts ,The time is correct on mine now 10.18 PM
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Hi all,
Sorry just seen this, been a bit busy lately ;D .
I can't explain this one, the server takes its time from an atomic clock somewhere out there. My session is showing the right time right now.
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Right, here we go - next one.
Where is this taken from?
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Random Guess.Is it Swingate Dover .Taken from the Pets Crematorium.
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Random Guess.Is it Swingate Dover .Taken from the Pets Crematorium.
Not there Grandarog - you need to head roughly North West.
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Yes J.W. - some cranes are still there - a 10ton on the wall of the Medway + two on No 2 dock - & one on No 4 Dock - The 1950 were the days when Destroyers were converted into £500,000 frigates. -I was an Instructor of Cranes Drivers then - as well as doing the work on the Frigates.
More stories - later on.
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Alternative guess Boughton Mast from Colonels' Lane.
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Alternative guess Boughton Mast from Colonels' Lane.
Not there either Grandarog. Wrong type of mast ;)
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North coast?
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North coast?
Yes - North Coast.
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Right, I know this one but am going to be "out of commission" until tomorrow evening. If anyone can get it first, please step in, otherwise I'll claim it.
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John's picture is of the electricity crossing over Milton Creek. The camera was situated in Swale way, just by the new bridge. There is a small irony here, the pylons were rebuilt in the late 1980s to give more clearance (33m) over the creek (for masts etc), then the new fixed bridge was built which has been allowed to have 3.7m clearance. (Clearances are measured from Highest Astronomical Tide, roughly springs. There's more clearance as the tide falls, but then there's less water!)
- Nat Grid: TQ 91960 65226
- Nearest Post Code: ME10 3NB
- Coords (WGS84): 51°21'13"N, 000°45'20"E or 51.353676,0.755429
Here's the next one. It's way too easy, but the colour of the setting sun on the stonework is a bit special (IMHO).
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I think I must have travelled around a lot. Another one I recognise. Will hold off again, let's have some new blood guessing. Don't be shy, we don't bite. :)
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Hoo St Werburgh?
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Yes John, I knew it was too easy. Here's another view taken a few moments later.
Location:- Nat Grid: TQ 78310 71845
- Nearest Post Code: ME3 9BF
- Coords (WGS84): 51°25'03"N, 000°33'47" or 51.41757,0.56295
First photo:- 2022:11:17 15:48
- Exposure: 1/80
- Aperture: f/7.1
- ISO: 100
- Focal length: 11.0 mm, lens: Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
Second photo:- 2022:11:17 15:53
- Exposure: 1/100
- Aperture: 5.0
- Focal length: 10mm (same lens)
Over to you now.
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To be honest Martin, I wasn't expecting that. I couldn't find the view that you had so I wasn't 100% certain. The castellations looked wrong but I can now see that it's only the side with the stairway tower that only has one cut-out (not sure of the correct term) the other sides have two.
I'd better scrabble about and find another GTP a bit quick.
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The view won't be on GSV, I was killing time in Hoo and the light was fantastic. The stonework was glowing brightly in the setting sun. I've not photoshopped that image in any way (it's just the .jpg, not even the raw) other than to reduce the definition so as to allow it to be posted.
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The view won't be on GSV, I was killing time in Hoo and the light was fantastic. The stonework was glowing brightly in the setting sun. I've not photoshopped that image in any way (it's just the .jpg, not even the raw) other than to reduce the definition so as to allow it to be posted.
I agree Martin, it's a great image and the light is amazing.
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Next one ...
Name and where? Rural
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Are those flying buttresses to the left of the steps? Most odd.
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Are those flying buttresses to the left of the steps? Most odd.
Looks like they are Martin. There are also two wall ties so it looks like a problem with the brickwork.
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East Kent. Can be seen on GSV
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Has had various uses over the years. A restaurant at one time. Is named after the Village that it's near.
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CT Postcode?
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CT Postcode?
Yes - CT Postcode Grandarog
Out in the sticks
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That was a Struggle .
The old Petham Workhouse . Now, Waltham Court ,on Kake Street .CT4 5SB.
As John Walker says Various uses over the years Workhouse,Bakery,Restaurant.
Now a Guest House and Wedding Venue.
Waltham Court Website (http://www.walthamcourt.co.uk/)
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TR1133049847
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 5RY
- Coords (WGS84): 51°12'31"N, 001°01'27"E or 51.20872,1.02412
BTW, does anyone know exactly where the Queenborough pottery was? I've spent an hour or two with old maps (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.4&lat=51.41717&lon=0.74767&layers=168&b=1 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.4&lat=51.41717&lon=0.74767&layers=168&b=1)) trying to identify it.
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MartinR. I also spent a bit of time looking at maps looking for the pottery but couldn't find anything resembling a line of kilns. I'm sure someone on here will know.
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Well done Grandarog. It is indeed Waltham Court. I attended a wedding there many years ago. It seemed to be a bit run down as I recall.
Over to you ...
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Eureka! I think I've finally nailed it down. As well as John's photo, I tracked down another photo of the pottery: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274675188286 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274675188286). This gave me the railway line and junction, and I've been up and down the line through Queenborough but I couldn't find the junction with a works behind. Then by chance I hit on http://queenboroughsociety.org.uk/ (http://queenboroughsociety.org.uk/) and right at the bottom of the page is a map "Early Rushenden 1934" and it shows the pottery works. The works hadn't been built when the 25" 1892-1914 map had been made, which is why I couldn't find them. They are on the 1:25,000 1937-61 (6") map, but are unlabelled. However the 1:1,250/1:2,500 1944-1971 maps (50" and 25") do show them labelled! The railway line (and I should have spotted the single track) is labelled "Mineral Railway" with the junction south-west of the works. Looking at the roofline the steep slopes are to the north, so John's photo must have been taken from the east. The building (which John identified as the yard foreman's house) must have been one of the small buildings immediately in front of the works, alongside Rushenden Road. Tentatively the location is:
- Nat Grid: TQ 90993 71670
- Nearest Post Code: ME11 5AU
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'43"N, 000°44'42"E or 51.41188,0.74502
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In the early 1970's Rouyal Doulton brought a workforce down from Cheshire and opened a sanitary ware works at Queenborough. I wonder if it was in the old Pottery or did they build a new plant.
One of my wife's Uncle,s worked at the Pottery when It was Alfred Johnson and Sons. We have a Triangular Ashtray from there.
If I remember right the film "Carry on at the Convenience" was filmed at the site.
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Thanks John Walker. :)
Here we go try this one,
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Martello Tower somewhere?
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Good Guess but No.
Clue :-TN postcode.
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Tonbridge Castle?
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Oast house?
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Yes. now a home.
Clue 2:- The area it is in has Naval connection at beginning of last Century.
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Tenterden area?
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No , head N/W for a fair distance.
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Clue 3. The Estate the Oast is on has a political connection.
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That last clue points me to the oast at Chartwell ?
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Yes, the Chartwell Estate.There's more than one Oast.
Which are you pointing at.They have names.
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Yes, the Chartwell Estate.There's more than one Oast.
Which are you pointing at.They have names.
I think this one is Dairy Oast ?
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Spot on John Walker over to you, yet again. :)
Dairy Oast, Chartwell Farm, Mapleton Road, WESTERHAM, Kent, … (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=2c1ba76dbed47bd5JmltdHM9MTY2OTQyMDgwMCZpZ3VpZD0wMjI4NWI0ZC1hOWRlLTZhNjEtMDhiZi00OTJiYTg2NTZiOWImaW5zaWQ9NTE2OA&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=02285b4d-a9de-6a61-08bf-492ba8656b9b&psq=dairy+oast+chartwell+farm&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly96ZXN0YXRlLmNvLnVrL2FkZHJlc3MvRGFpcnktT2FzdCwtQ2hhcnR3ZWxsLUZhcm0sLU1hcGxldG9uLVJvYWQsLVdFU1RFUkhBTSwtS2VudCwtVE4xNi0xUFMvMjY4NDkzODUv&ntb=1)
It was constructed in 1985, age of the property is 37 years. Dairy Oast, Chartwell Farm, Mapleton Road, WESTERHAM, Kent is at a height of 149 meters above sea level. Geo-coordinates of the address is Lat: 51.24303800, Long: 0.08408500. The estimated valuation of the property as of today is £562,471 GBP.
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Thanks Grandarog
I've been to Chartwell but the weather was cold and windy. Hope to make a return visit in better weather.
Interesting to note that the oast was built in 1985. I didn't think oasts were still being built then.
Next one up soon ...
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I think it was built purely as a home not for the actual use of hop drying.
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I think it was built purely as a home not for the actual use of hop drying.
That's probably why it didn't come up in my searches for converted oasts. :)
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Next one ...
Another property that has seen various uses.
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Bridge Country Club?
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You have Beachbum - Now a posh hotel/restaurant called The Pig - highly rated. Over to you.
http://www.dover-kent.com/2019-Project/Bridge-Country-Club-Bridge.html (http://www.dover-kent.com/2019-Project/Bridge-Country-Club-Bridge.html)
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 18108 53916
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 5BH
- Coords (WGS84): 51°14'34"N, 001°07´25¨E or 51.24270,1.12348
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Thanks John Walker. I had been looking at this Building in a recent search of another GTP.
Another Photo below.................
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So the next GTP has a unusual roof fascia that caught my eye.............
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Bridge Country Club: When I was at Canterbury College in the 70's, it had a Grab a Grannies Night.
I went just the once, a scary experience indeed.............
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Bridge Country Club: When I was at Canterbury College in the 70's, it had a Grab a Grannies Night.
I went just the once, a scary experience indeed.............
Mess with the Canterbury Grannies at your peril ;D ;D ;D !
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A school?
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I saw this building a long time ago when we took grandchildren to the place.
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Not a school. But used by many
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CT Area code
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A bank? But why take grandchildren there?
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Not a Bank, but getting warmer
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MartinR-------A bank? But why take grandchildren there?
We went to the town the building is at not to visit or see the building.
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It looks very much like Chatham House School, Ramsgate.
DTT
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Wrong Town DTT
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Sandwich?
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Building Society? Post Office? Can't think of anything else that's "warmer".
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I's not Sandwich JW.
One of your options is correct MartinR (without giving it away).
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Clue..............
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If no one guesses by tomorrow night I will take it. :)
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I've been hunting around Canterbury, but now it seems that CT is pretty well all of the eastern half of the county. Roughly anywhere east of a line from Herne Hill to Dymchurch. From the building style it looks like a large town, Ashford or Dover?
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Hi MartinR, so not such a large town. Dover is very warm.................
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"Dover is very warm" - not when I've visited it! ;)
So, we are looking for a building society or post office in a town near to, and smaller than, Dover. So:- Deal
- Whitfield
- Folkstone
- Walmer
?
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It's a fair Deal.............
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It's about Time someone got this one. :)
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No takers so it's .
The deal Post Office Stanhope Road Deal. We passed it on the way into town after we had visited the Time Building with the ball on top.
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Spot on grandarog. Over to you...........
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After following a number of false trails, here's the location:
- Nat Grid: TR3763752810
- Post: Deal Delivery Office, Stanhope Rd, Deal CT14 6AA
- Coords (WGS84) 51°13'30"N 001°24'07"E or (WGS84) 51.22498,1.40203
Must visit Deal one of these days, I don't think I've ever been there.
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Thank,s Beachbum. Definitely worth a Visit if only to visit the Time Tower and the Castle and the nice Pubs. Was holding off hoping some new blood would have a guess.
Next one.
Heres a rural scene. Where did I spot this tree at the roadside?
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Clue No 1. TN27 postcode.
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Looks like Headcorn?
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That was a quick guess. :) Yes, but where.
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Ulcombe Road, opposite Booklands.
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Well Done John Filmer , :)
You obviously are familiar with Headcorn.
Over to You.
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Apologies for the delay folks, Sainsbury's got the better of me this morning...
I will post a proper GTP later today, but in the meantime I have a question. Where was this photo taken? Margate or thereabouts is favourite, and the background contains a few clues, spire next to large roof, a tall building (with scaffolding?) left hand side etc.
Likely taken 1959/60, the fellow in the trunks is my late brother in law. My eldest sister died recently, and when looking through the archives I found this, and their children wondered where it was taken. She, and two of her children live(d) in Perth WA so 1950s English seaside holidays are a bit different to those that their families enjoy down there.
All help appreciated. Normal service will return late pm.
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OK back to the usual.
This is a dead pub. Listed on the Dover website as closing in 1998. Urban.
One of my sisters went to school with the then publican's daughter. Clue, it was Sheerness Tech.
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I think your photo is Margate - (More accurately, Westbrook Bay which is next to Margate). The building in the background looks like Margate sea bathing hospital. The hospital, or what's left of it, is now des-res apartments. It's very much changed now so comparing with current GSV is quite difficult.
I've also found your closed pub GTP but will give others the fun of trying to find it ;D
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Thanks JW. I tried to fit it in with GSV of Margate and gave up. However there are some first floor projections that look very similar along the front past the clock tower.
I'll try again when I'm bored one rainy afternoon - should have plenty of chances the way the weather is...
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Looking at the shadows, they are at about 60°, so probably early afternoon. At midday the sun is due south, moving to the west, so the shadows should point north or north-west. If at midday the land is to the east of the beach, curving around to the north. If later in the day then the land is to the southeast, curving around the east of the beach. I did wonder about Whitstable, but there is not enough of a rise from the beach. Herne Bay is pebbles, not sand.
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Staying with the family photo, here's where I think it is.
The area outlined is all new-build so would now be very different to your photo. The arrowed spire in the background would then be the hospital chapel.
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Super sleuth JW strikes again ::)
Many thanks once more
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Super sleuth JW strikes again ::)
Many thanks once more
Just one more - this angle shows the chapel and spire.
(I enjoy these searches :) )
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Well spotted JW. I suspect that the camera was at TR 34153 70572 (or 51°23'09"N,001°21'50"E if you prefer). It must have been low tide, and the family were fairly well out, slightly to the east of the end of Westcliff Road. On the skyline to the right of the photo you can see the house with the distinctive turret, this is number 1 Royal Esplanade, on the corner with Westbrook Gardens. The slipway at the foot of Westbrook gardens is behind the family, as is the ramp leading up from Westbrook Promenade. The latter looks like it leads directly to the Royal Hospital, but is actually at some distance, perspective is playing tricks here.
For those of us relying on maps, it is only fair to point out that this is Westbrook rather than Margate itself.
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I have emailed the location to the troops, and must again thank everyone for their assistance.
By the way that is me and my other sister playing, watched by our brother in law. My elder sister (who took the picture) was nearly 14years older than me, and the one in the photo 4years older.
Right come on, roll up and find the dead pub - in Swale by the way.
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Behind the old pub is a small public open space, referred to as ******* Gardens. It used to be more park like with fences and entrance gates, but these are now gone.
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Once again, I will pass on this one .I dont want to get blackboarded for taking to many guess's. :)
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Is it The Chalk Tavern, 30 Bassett Road, Sittingbourne?
Annette Roberts?
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Well done Beachbum, the Chalk Tavern it was.
My sister's friend was Rachel Pollicott, an unusual surname to me. It seems that my sister remembers that all her siblings names started with R, such as Roger, Rosalind and Robert. The post must have been a nightmare...
As a 7year old I went to what was then known as Barrow Grove junior school, but the new wing for the youngest intake was not quite finished and we spent a term or so in the "Johnson Gardens Annex". A rather grand name for large shed in a park! it's still there used as a nursery school I think. It had history, when we were moving out all manner of odd stuff was found, I remember the gas masks.
Best conkers ever from the large Horse Chestnut trees in the Park, I would even catch the early bus to get there first :)
Over to you Beachbum (there is something very odd about typing that phrase, but I'll get over it!)
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Thanks johnfilmer for your memories. Conkers was the thing back in the day, so many tricks of baking/soaking in vinegar etc. I think I left mine in front of the fireplace.
So my post name is due to walking along beaches most days...........
Next GTP starts with half of the Building.
Please can we have some newbies to GTP have a go?
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I'm sure I've seen this building but can't remember where. Does it overlook the sea?
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I think I have seen it along the coast somewhere coming home from Margate or Ramsgate.
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Found it but will hold off for a while. No idea of the name of the place or whether it's private of a care home though.
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It overlooks the sea in the area that grandarog mentions.
Always a private House, built in 1927.
"Bricks" is a clue.
It's name is connected to a shipping incident
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Have got the shipping clue but not the 'bricks' clue. ;D
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Half a Million special bricks were used for the House and grounds. There was a direct connection to the Owner.
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Were these normal sized bricks, or are we looking at a model?
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The Owner (+Wife) of the property had set up their own Brick Company after Military Service.
They were known for the Quality of Bricks and eventually built this property. Also famed for a magnificent collection of fine art and a generous benefactor to many causes.
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Ps. the bricks were not made in Kent
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Famed Bricks..............
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Clue.......
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Another clue to the Name of this House............
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Goodwin?
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Not a local Lightship, but gave it's name to the House after a shipping incident involving the House Owners.
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Not at John o' Groats...............
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Its the "Seven Stones" Lightship of Cornwall, name is So we are looking for a house called the same. :)
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Spot on with the name grandarog 8)
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I got the name but haven't found the place .Game is still on.
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I'm away for the weekend so good luck everyone. ;)
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grandarog, you have the name and you were in the right area earlier in the search.........
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Beachbum, Agreed, but I cant actually pinpoint the house so it wouldn't be fair to take it. Hopefully someone can actually find where the house is. I have worn my mouse out trawling around street view trying to find it to no avail.
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It is very close to a previous GTP.............
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South Cliff Parade, Broadstairs?
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Well done johnfilmer, it is indeed 5 South Cliff Parade, Broadstairs.
The Owner/Builder was Francis Edward Howard Paget and was a noted member of Society. He set up the Dorking Brick Company. His ashes were scattered at Sea in front of his Home (Dumpton Gap).
The original grounds had a garden workforce of 25. Some of that was sold off for Building by a later owner.
photos have Google References and English Heritage number.
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Apologies for delay, life etc. etc.
This one will be very easy for some. The building (from 1878?) had a change of use in 1929, and again more recently. Now disused and likely to become housing.
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Your'e right too easy ,Pass. :)
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I think that Grandarog has just given everyone a general location clue.
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A school?
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Yes MartinR, until 1929, but always educational.
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And after 1929 would it be part of UK at Canterbury or else CCUC?
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No connection to Canterbury that I am aware of.
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Sittingbourne area?
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Spot on JW
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I think it's the original Borden Grammar School but apart from it being Sittingbourne, I haven't found its exact location - possibly College Road/Riddles Road but I can't see enough detail through the trees on GSV.
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You have indeed found it JW, but you need to look at the older GSV image to see the building.
Grandarog knows more about this place than me, I believe. After Borden Grammar School moved to its present location in Sittingbourne in 1929 it became the Kent Farm Institute, that later merged with other similar organisations and moved to the present Hadlow site. Latterly it was the Adult Education Centre, and now destined to be converted into flats.
There is You Tube video from the Sittingbourne Heritage Museum about it, but finding it again to link to it defeated me....
I attended BGS between 1962-9 so a bit of its history has been there ever since. That and we frequently zoomed up and down Borden Lane to either the Maypole at Borden, or the Sun at Bredgar. Mind you zoom is a relative word in a Morris 1000! Riddles Road was also a short cut to College Road where we would be on an absolute curfew to get a couple of young ladies home. Happy days 8)
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Thanks, JohnFilmer. I have one ready but I'll hold off for a while in case any members want to add comments to the Borden Grammar GTP. It looks quite a building.
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Here we go with the next one.
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Military originally?
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harbour wall,Dover perhaps.
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JohnFilmer - A military connection
Grandarog - right part of Kent but not Dover Harbour
Clue: The dark shape on the right is not a tree.
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Quite high up.
The building has had at least two very different uses over the years.
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Western Heights? Most recently a Detention Centre, formerly HMP Dover
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Western Heights? Most recently a Detention Centre, formerly HMP Dover
Not too far away but not there.
The dark object on the right is made of granite. Can be easily seen on GSV.
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Trying to do a bit of catch-up here, I've been a bit under the weather and suffered a hard disk failure (not connected). If I've followed your directions correctly the old Borden Grammar School buildings are off Graylings Court at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 89460 63007
- Nearest Post Code: ME10 1LH
- Coords: 51°20'05"N 000°43'06"E or 51.3346,0.7184
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Bluebirds Cafe St. Margarets Bay from the Dover Patrol Monument?
Originally a Coastguard Station and now a Private Home
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You have it Beachbum. It is indeed the former Coastguard station, then the Bluebird cafe, and now private residential. Right next to the Dover Patrol monument.
The Dover Patrol was formed in July 1914, around a nucleus of the 12 Tribal class destroyers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal-class_destroyer_(1905)). Through the First World War, a variety of craft served in the patrol—cruisers, destroyers old and new, submarines, mine-sweepers, armed trawlers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_trawler) and drifters, armed yachts, motor launches and other coastal craft—as well as a variety of aircraft - flying boats, aeroplanes, and airships. From time to time, French destroyers were included in the patrol.
The patrol covered the southern part of the North Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea) and the eastern portion of the English Channel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Channel), including the Straits of Dover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straits_of_Dover). Its duties included escorting merchant ships, hospital ships and troop transports; anti-submarine patrols; sweeping for German mines, and laying British minefields and anti-submarine nets; and bombarding German land forces on the coast of Belgium and northern France. It was commanded by Admiral Reginald Bacon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Bacon) from 1914 until his retirement at the end of 1917, and then by Vice-Admiral Roger Keyes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Keyes,_1st_Baron_Keyes). Six members of the patrol were awarded the Victoria Cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Cross) in a single action on 22–23 April 1918, for their part in the Zeebrugge Raid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeebrugge_Raid) to block the entrance to the port of Bruges-Zeebrugge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Bruges-Zeebrugge) and so prevent German vessels from leaving port.
Some 2,000 members of the patrol lost their lives during the war. A committee was formed in November 1918 to raise a public subscription for the erection of a monument in memory of the patrol. Over £45,000 was raised, including £1,000 donated by King Albert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_I_of_Belgium) and Queen Elizabeth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_of_Bavaria,_Queen_of_Belgium) of the Belgians.
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Both are at the end of Granville Road.
Memorial is at:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 37330 45207
- Nearest Post Code: CT15 6DT
- Coords (WGS84): 51°09'25"N 001°23'33"E or 51.15687,1.3926
Cafe is at:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 37390 45220
- Nearest Post Code: CT15 6DT
- Coords (WGS84): 51°09'25"N 001°23'37"E or 51.15696,1.39349
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Thanks for the Dover Patrol information, such an impressive location for it's placement. There is a link to the Sandgatte Cliff Monument in France perhaps?
Bluebird Tea Room was such a wonderful Cafe on Cliff Walks, I cetainly miss it.
So next is a Cannon (circa 1790/1800). Where?
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Quick guess - Dover?
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Upnor Castle??? :-\
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Not Upnor Castle, go South John Walker
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Eh? South from Dover would put you in Le Tréport at the mouth of the Somme!
Assuming a somewhat flexible "south", are we headed to Folkstone?
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Proceed in the Folkestone direction MartinR.
The Cannon is on standby for migrant duties.......
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Sandgate - behind the memorial?
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Spot on John Walker. The clue was in the second sentence 8)
This is the Imperial Cannon in front of the John Moore Memorial on Sandgate Esplanade. Originally sited at the Imperial Hotel.
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Thanks Beachbum. The cannon doesn't appear in the latest GSV so I guess it was moved after the camera unit passed through.
Next one ...
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That was a toughie Beachbum! I'd been up and down that stretch in GSV several times, but Google doesn't label the memorial, and as John says, the cannon has gone. Anyhow, eventually I found it thanks to you and John, so the location is:
- Nat'l Grid: TR 20050 35068
- Nearest Post Code: CT20 3DA
- Coords (WGS84): 51°04'22"N, 001°08'23"E or 51.072733,1.139740
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Nice little pub
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Town or village?
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Cannon Location : I took these photos on 14th October 2022.
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I have rechecked the Google scan and it is from April 2019. At that time I believe the Cannon was sited at the Imperial Hotel Hythe.
Apologies for any problems...............
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Town or village?
A small village Shoot999
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Not sure if this does class as a village or even a hamlet but it does have a name. A spattering of mixed houses, a closed post office, a manor, a scrap yard and the GTP Pub. A newly formed woodland is close by as is a busy 'A' Road which heads for the coast. A well-established very large woodland is also close by.
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Slightly cryptic clue: In the blue corner...
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Sheppey somewhere?
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Not Sheppey MartinR. I can see your thinking though. The blue corner clue is more to do with a notable resident.
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East Kent - rural
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The nearby busy 'A' Road is the A299
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Got it, but will let others find it as I have had a few lately.........
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One more clue which might help.
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Gotcha! It’s The Dove pub.
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Well done John. With the name I've now found it:
- Address: Plumpudding Ln, Dargate, Faversham ME13 9HB
- Nat Grid: TR0806661557
- Coords (WGS84): 51°18'54"N 000°59'03"E or 51.31507,0.98427
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You have it JohnFilmer - well done. It is indeed The Dove at Dargate.
The clue 'In the blue corner' related to a Dargate resident, Barry McGuigan.
For boxer Barry McGuigan, Muhammad Ali was the inspiration for taking up the sport.
The 55-year-old, who lives in Dargate near Faversham, told how Ali had just had his titanic fight with Joe Frazier in New York in 1971 when he began to take boxing seriously.
"Like many a kid just getting into boxing at the time, I wanted to be like Ali," McGuigan wrote in his column in The Mirror.
(https://www.kentonline.co.uk/_media/img/760x0/EF60B8031NA9CEHCRXTQ.jpg)
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Christmas duties performed, visiting completed (the joy of a small family) so back to GTP
I have defaulted to an OS map, 25inch to mile, 1897.
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Goudhurst Road, Horsmondon. Centred on:
- Nat Grid: TQ 702 404
- Nearest Post Code: TN12 8JX
- Coords (WGS84): 51°08'N 000°25'E or 51.138,0.433
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That was quick MartinR, and correct :)
I was aiming at the station, but it’s on the map edge, hence the strange orientation.
Over to you, and Seasons Greetings.
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Ah, 'twas the Gun Inn that lead me there!
Ok, this is also from the 25-inch plan of 1892-1914. There doesn't look to be much there, but that is deceptive (clue). Where is it?
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A quarry ?
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There is one nearby, but unrelated to this particular area.
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War related?
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Yes
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Set up as a dummy area to fool the Germans?
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No, but the German connection is there, possibly also a French connection. Keep in mind that the map is from 1892-1914.
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Is it an area blanked out to prevent showing military details?
Maybe a fort or barracks?
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River Medway close by?
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Right John, you've now solved the clue "There doesn't look to be much there, but that is deceptive". The Ordnance Survey at that period (and indeed until well after WWII) did not show details of military facilities on public maps. Shoot, the Medway is nowhere near, but there is another river's headwaters a mile or so away.
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Lenham area?
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"Go west, young man, go west"¹ - well to be accurate it's nearer to WbyN. :)
¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_West,_young_man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_West,_young_man)
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Is the nearby river, the River Bourne that runs near Hadlow at one point ?
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North or South of the London Chatham and Dover Railway?
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@John, no, not the River Bourne. I repeat: "Go west, young man".
@Beachbum, south of the LC&D
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YMCA ? Tunbridge Wells ?
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It’s Fort Halstead, near Sevenoaks
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Yes, specifically the Old Fort. A summary of the public history of the site is on Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Halstead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Halstead). Location:
- Nat'l grid: TQ 49925 59138
- Coords: 51°18'42"N, 000°08'59"E or 51.31161,0.14972
- Post code: TN14 7BP (but this may be non-geographic).
If you look on these old maps at Chatham Royal Dockyard, it is just a blank. I did consider that site for GTP, but the river would have made it too obvious. In an era before satellites and drones, and less general aviation, keeping military installations blank made intelligence gathering for a putative enemy harder.
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That was a good one Martin. I was way off beam but I've learned a few things from it.
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I'm pleased to hear that John. As you know once solutions are supplied I chase them up and also learn from the information given by the group. BTW, just in case it wasn't obvious, the little dots marked "B.S.W.D No. 1" to "B.S.W.D No.8" are "Boundary Stone, War Department".
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In my searching around, the BSWD markers around Chatham, for instance, all had a broad arrow between W and D.
Coincidentally Fort Halstead, in its modern form, was only mentioned to me on Boxing Day in the context of his friend who works there is very, very tight lipped about what goes on in there 8)
Meanwhile, back at the quiz... Martin's map question led me to set another. This is a rifle range, never shot there myself, but I did have the opportunity in the early 1980s. It was full-bore rifle, .303 or 7.62Nato.
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That looks like a railway on the left of the snippet. Is it a single-track branch or part of the main system?
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In my searching around, the BSWD markers around Chatham, for instance, all had a broad arrow between W and D.
Coincidentally Fort Halstead, in its modern form, was only mentioned to me on Boxing Day in the context of his friend who works there is very, very tight lipped about what goes on in there 8)
Meanwhile, back at the quiz... Martin's map question led me to set another. This is a rifle range, never shot there myself, but I did have the opportunity in the early 1980s. It was full-bore rifle, .303 or 7.62Nato.
The dreaded broad arrow. Any time you were stopped for search leaving a military established they would search through your tools, and woe betide you having anything with a broad arrow stamped on it. That was you nicked!
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With a fairly strong family history from Medway, I have some old tools with the broad arrow mark.
However, I also have some Imperial sized reamers with broad arrow markings, but I bought those as military surplus in the mid 1960s. Only used one the other day!
MartinR, the track is twin, and was then.
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North or South of the M20?
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Back from the joys of Sainsbury’s, cup of tea and GTP.
It is south of the M20 JW, in the more westerly end of the county.
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I think I've found the location. North of Shoreham Village. Alongside the London Chatham and Dover railway line. There's no rifle range showing on the map I use but the angle of the track and the road going under the line fits.
(I've never been able to locate the same map as you use John - OS 25 inch 1892 - 1914 is the one I use on Georeferenced Maps)
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It is indeed Shoreham Ranges.
You can still make out the target butts on Google aerial view, and there is an “explorer “ video on the net showing that they still have the target raising mechanism. I have a photo of the butts at Bisley circa 1980 before they were updated, with pretty much the same equipment.
The mapping that I use is simply OS maps on nls maps, then select where by town, then scale, then by clicking on the box on the background map, a selection of available maps is displayed on the right, decide on date by scrolling down, a quick click and then zoom to the feature you want.
The Fort Halstead detail that I found matched MartinR posting exactly.
Over to you JW.
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Thanks, JohnFilmer. Another good one.
Even with your instructions, I still can't find the exact map that you are using. Most odd. I'll keep trying.
Next one - Name of village required.
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The butts are in the centre of John's map and are at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 53226 62567
- Nearest Post Code: TN14 7UD
- Coords (WGS84): 51°20'29.6"N 0°11'54.6"E or 51.341546, 0.198511
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Clues for my current GTP
A large man-made pond nearby
The village had a railway station until 1961.
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Goudhurst?? :)
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Cranbrook?
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Lutonman and Grandarog - Not Goudhurst or Cranbrook but you are both on the right track.
The village you are looking for can get a bit 'lively' once a year.
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Horsemonden?
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You have Lutonman. It is Horsmonden.
The Gypsy Horse Fair is held there each year and the railway line which ran from Cranbrook to Paddockwood was closed in 1961 - a Beeching cut I believe :( .
Over to you.
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Thank You John Walker,
Hopefully fairly easy this one.
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I've just realised where this is but I'll hold back as I've had a few GTP's lately.
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If there is no takes by tomorrow John Walker I suggest that you take it over.
Its a well known for its visitors
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Is this at Sissinghurst Castle?
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Thanks Stewie, your correct, I left a little of the "other" tower on the left in view to make it a easier to spot.
Over to you
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Well worth a visit. I watched the film A Portrait of a Marriage and it features Sissinghurst quite a lot.
Portrait of a Marriage: Vita Sackville-West and Harold Nicolson is the 1973 biography of writer and gardener Vita Sackville-West (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vita_Sackville-West) compiled by her son Nigel Nicolson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Nicolson) from her journals and letters.
I suggest either watching the film or reading the book before going as it adds greatly to the visit and makes it much more interesting.
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Thanks Lutonman, I dropped into the thread out of interest and thought "I know where that is"!
I don't have anything too challenging for the more 'senior' players and guess this may be an easy one for some of you, So where was I when I took this picture?
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I'll have to hold back on this one too. I was standing next to this in July so it wouldn't really be a guess in the spirit of GTP. ;D
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I haven't the slightest idea, so am qualified to make guesses!
To me it looks like the rescue of men from a ship's lifeboat, or else a local small boat, by a larger ship. It doesn't look like an RNLI lifeboat. From this I'd deduce that it either represents one specific, probably heroic, rescue or else it is a memorial to men being rescued in general - perhaps WWI or WWII?
Am I anywhere near?
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Yes Martin R it is a memorial commemorating numerous actions by a specific force during World War 2.
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Will pass on this one unless it stalls. :)
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Well I've been thinking about the RAF Marine Branch, but haven't so far found any bass relief memorials in Kent.
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Surprised it lasted this long but with two players waiting in the wings there will be no more clues :)
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I think I know where this is, but don't have a picture to put up so will pass for now. At work tomorrow, in Kent, so if I find something interesting, I'll throw my hat in the ring if it hasn't gone.
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I would have thought it certain that you would know stuartwalters :)
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No Idea either, I'll wait it out.
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I have a photo ready so I will go for it.
THE NATIONAL DESTROYER MEMORIAL CHATHAM HISTORICAL DOCKYARD
HMS Cavalier is the last remaining Second World War Royal Navy Destroyer in existence. Today it is preserved as the National Destroyer Memorial alongside the Bronze monument which commemorates 142 Royal Navy destroyers sunk during the Second World War, with the loss of over 11,000 lives.
On one side of the monument is the Roll of Honour listing the names of the 142 Royal Navy destroyers lost during the war. It also records the sacrifice of the other British Dominion and Allied destroyers that were lost between 1939 and 1945.
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I have a photo ready so I will go for it.
THE NATIONAL DESTROYER MEMORIAL CHATHAM HISTORICAL DOCKYARD
HMS Cavalier is the last remaining Second World War Royal Navy Destroyer in existence. Today it is preserved as the National Destroyer Memorial alongside the Bronze monument which commemorates 142 Royal Navy destroyers sunk during the Second World War, with the loss of over 11,000 lives.
On one side of the monument is the Roll of Honour listing the names of the 142 Royal Navy destroyers lost during the war. It also records the sacrifice of the other British Dominion and Allied destroyers that were lost between 1939 and 1945.
Spent quite a few years of my life towing this one around the Dockyard from mid 60s. When destroyers looked like destroyers :)
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Doh! I've walked or ridden past it umpteen times, I've been aboard HMS Cavalier several times, and am one of the minority that dips my ensign when passing her. Oh well, good one that. Location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 75896 69259
- Nearest Post Code: ME4 4TZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'42"N, 000°31'37"E or 51.395100,0.526975
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It is indeed a photo of the National Destroyer Memorial in Chatham Dockyard or at least a portion of it, Deliberately taken for the GTP competition. Over to you JohnWalker.
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Thanks Stewie.
Next one.
Where is this building? What is its purpose and what was the name of the association that was based here for many years before it rebranded in 2020?
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Very topical John Walker, building may soon disappear forever. Will pass for now :)
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I had dealings here when I was manager of an oil terminal
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Is this now linked to the Police?
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It's similar to the Church of Christ, Scientist (aka Christian Science) in St John's Road, Tunbridge Wells. I've no idea about any re-branding though and there's nothing about rebranding on the Wiki page, so is it is elsewhere by the same architect?
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Is this now linked to the Police?
Not directly linked to the police as far as I can tell.
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It's similar to the Church of Christ, Scientist (aka Christian Science) in St John's Road, Tunbridge Wells. I've no idea about any re-branding though and there's nothing about rebranding on the Wiki page, so is it is elsewhere by the same architect?
You have it MartinR Hermes House. I knew it as the HQ of the FTA (Freight Transport Association) and now re-branded as Logistics UK. About to be demolished and converted to 43 flats.
Something else i have learned - The original Hermes House was a Christian Science Church that opened in 1931. It was designed by local architect Cecil Burns and is of a style contemporary to the time of design.
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JW, it was the Freight Transport Association, the industry body which represents hauliers.
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JW, it was the Freight Transport Association, the industry body which represents hauliers.
Thanks Stuartwaters - head not working properly this morning - I have corrected - thanks.
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Odd. It must have been around the mid 1980s that I was told it was a church. According to https://c20society.org.uk/c20-churches/christian-science-church (https://c20society.org.uk/c20-churches/christian-science-church) it was sold in 1959, so don't rely on what old men in a pub tell you! A couple of links to Burns: https://uk.linkedin.com/company/burns-guthrie-&-partners?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F (https://uk.linkedin.com/company/burns-guthrie-&-partners?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F) and http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=207207 (http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=207207)
Location:- Nat Grid: TQ 58184 40902
- Nearest Post Code: TN4 9UZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°08'44"N, 000°15'36"E or 51.14553,0.26007
OK, here's an interesting one for you. What and where is this ground plan for?
LEGAL NOTICE. The image is licensed CC BY-SA. A proper attribution will be supplied when the solution is found.
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Another one to pass on for while, give newcomers a chance. I must have accrued a lot of trivial and odd data during my travels around Kent.
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Sadly you are not alone Grandarog, I also recognised it immediately. I was fascinated as a child to get a glimpse from the bus when dragged along to go shopping by my mother.
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is it the Jezreel tower? In Watling Street Gillingham near where the Jubilee clip factory was? If so it was supposed to be a tower up to heaven for the Jezrelite movement.
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Yes, I hoped that the ground plan would be more confusing and keep people off the scent for a while. Ah well, over to you Stewie.
The plan is: Cunningham, CC BY-SA 3.0 <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/>, via Wikimedia Commons
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The tower looks fascinating. What are all the circles on the plan?
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Similar to johnfilmer I remember seeing it from the Bus as we passed. I was fascinated by the huge sandstone coloured plaques on the fromt walls .One was large Trumpet and i think the other one was Swords. There was a smaller one between them ,I cant remeber what was on that one.
Read about its history here Jezreel's tower - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezreel%27s_tower#Building_the_tower)
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I assume the circles are seating, possibly stepped. See https://www.facebook.com/j1o9n44/photos/1130429567028544 (https://www.facebook.com/j1o9n44/photos/1130429567028544) for an example of a stepped gallery, this time in a redundant Methodist Church.
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Photo from Medway Council. (Couchman collection DE402, Medway Council).
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Gave this one a bye as I could see it in the 50s from my nans house. Had an air of doom about the place which it history seems to confirm. More of a cult than a religion. Somewhat please to discover its last use was as a refuge for suffragettes escaping the census in 1911.
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Similar to johnfilmer I remember seeing it from the Bus as we passed. I was fascinated by the huge sandstone coloured plaques on the fromt walls .One was large Trumpet and i think the other one was Swords. There was a smaller one between them ,I cant remeber what was on that one.
Read about its history here Jezreel's tower - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezreel%27s_tower#Building_the_tower)
I believe that it also had a giant lift in it so that the faithful could ascend to heaven.
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Thank you MartinR. Again I have not got much to entertain you all with but having a 'dig' around, I did find this image taken some time ago as the date shows. So where was I when I took this photograph?
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Aha! I thought, easy that one. Rochester Bridge, but the lions there are in bronze and more finely detailed. So, to start fishing: East or West Kent?
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Looks like one of the 4 Stylised Lions to be found at the base of all the Royal Navy War Memorials so presumably on the great lines Chatham.
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yes it is grandarog, Chatham Naval war memorial There is a connection to the KHF because I took the picture during a walking tour of Brompton and we ended up here, (see attached picture, not mine though).
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yes it is grandarog, we visited here on a KHF outing around Brompton which is where I took the picture.
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Thanks Stewie.
Staying with the Lion theme where will you find this one.
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Are they back home now?
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"Great Lines Chatham" is probably a good enough location, but just in case anyone is having difficulty locating it on a map:
- Nat Grid: TQ 76294 68000
- Nearest Post Code: ME4 4NA
- Coords (WGS84): 51°23'01"N,000°31'55"E or 51.383667,0.532065
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Is that the Lion killing the serpent? In which case are we looking for a Church/chapel - probably 19thC or heavily restored then?
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Are the at the grade 2 listed Preston Hall In the royal British Legion village in Aylesford?
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These ones?
Lion statues worth £200,000 stolen from Royal British Legion Village near Aylesford (kentonline.co.uk) (https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/stolen-lions-8125/)
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Well pending Grandarog's confirmation the background looks identical. Why has the RBL got them though?
The Lion represents the Lion of Judah. King David was of the tribe of Judah, and so Jesus of Nazareth was "of the line of David", and hence of the tribe of Judah. Revelation links the Lion of Judah to Jesus. The serpent is of course the tempter from the Garden of Eden in Genesis. Hence the serpent came to represent Satan. The symbolism is therefore of the second coming of Jesus vanquishing the Devil at the end of time. The other statue of the Lioness protecting her cubs is also full of Christian symbolism. The lioness is the bride of the Lion, Jesus, and represents the Church. The Church is therefore protecting her "cubs", us, from the serpent/Satan. Now you see why I assumed an ecclesiastical setting!
After a bit of digging, if they are at Preston Hall, then they are at:- Nat Grid: TQ 72787 58028
- Nearest Post Code: ME20 7NH
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°17'43"N,000°28'37"E or 51.295163,0.476884
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Well done ,it is indeed one of the lions on the gate at RBLV at Aylesford. They were Stolen. as JohnWalker hinted. The Police recoved them a few days later in a Garagelockup at Marden or Malling cant remember which.No idea why they are on the Gate posts.
Lion statues worth £200,000 are recovered after being stolen from the Royal British Legion Village near Aylesford (kentonline.co.uk) (https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/200000-stolen-lion-statues-are-8425/)
Over to you Stewie.
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thanks grandarog next one might give you something to ponder over, taken this Autumn. After this I might take a rest!
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Nice photo. Quick guess - Barden Lake, Tonbridge ?
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Not Tonbridge John Walker but within a 22 mile radius of there :)
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How about Chiddingstone Castle Lake?
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The nearest castle is just over 3.5 miles away.
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Is it Mote Park lake - the upstream end? (BTW, if it is I'll not be able to put up the next one until tomorrow evening.)
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Not there MartinR but it is the closest guess so far!
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The lake at Turkey Mill ?
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Were you at Haysden Lake, near Tonbridge wells. :-\
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Not Turkey Mill John Walker but you are closer than both your initial guess and also that also MartinR's. Grandarog you are heading in the wrong direction from MartinR's guess.
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St Andrews Lake, Halling ?
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Not there John Walker but you are heading roughly in the right direction. The lake in the picture is not a naturally occurring one being created and opened in the early 1990s.
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Is it the Lake behind "The Inn on the Lake" on the A2 at Shorne ?
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We're in danger of going past now grandarog, turn right along the A2 and look for a castle, the lake is about 3.5 miles from that.
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Capstone Country Park? Wasn't sure if your turn right clue was as you were leaving The Inn on the Lake or as we see it on a map?
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Yes JohnWalker. well tracked down. I volunteer here once a week to help out and took this picture after arriving one morning in October. Over to you! :)
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Thanks Stewie, I went to see the ski slope many years ago but wasn't aware of the lake and country park. Must look in next time I'm in the area.
Next one up soon.
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Sticking to Stewie's lake theme ;D - where is this?
Wide angle lens makes it look bigger than it is.
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I'll take a punt at Mote Park.
Capstone Country lake is centred upon:- Nat Grid: TQ 77979 65411
- Nearest Post Code: ME7 3JE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°21'36"N 000°33'18"E or 51.35989,0.55496
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Thanks for the coordinates MartinR
Not Moat Park - this lake is quite a bit smaller.
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Further clue: Boats can be seen on this lake.
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Much larger volume of water 1/2 Km away.
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Barton Point nature reserve?
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Barton Point nature reserve?
Not there Stewie - Head ESE.
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Bowls club and tennis courts nearby.
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Faversham Lakes?
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Faversham Lakes?
Not there MartinR. Head ENE.
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War Memorial Close by.
(Remember that the wide angle lens makes it look larger than it is)
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Are we still on the Island then? Somewhere near the Isle of Harty?
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Are we still on the Island then? Somewhere near the Isle of Harty?
Not on the island. Unless I've got my directions wrong, you need to head ENE from your Faversham Lakes guess for a few miles.
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No, your directions weren't wrong, I'd vectored ENE as NNE :-[ and got a cross from the Barton's Point ESE vector at around Shellness. Once I "got my bearings" right, I chased along the North Kent shore until I came to Herne Bay Memorial Park, which indeed does have bowls, tennis and a memorial nearby. I suspect that the outer Thames Estuary/North Sea is a "much larger volume of water"! GSV even has someone preparing a model boat on the lake. Camera was at:
- Nat Grid: TR1765167759
- Nearest Post Code: CT6 5RD
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'02"N,001°07'31"E or 51.367167,1.125380
which is on the footpath around the lake on the eastern side looking north-west.
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Well done MartinR. It is indeed the Memorial Park Boating Lake in Herne Bay. Many years ago it had rowing boats and canoes now it's just model boat at the weekends. The large island used to have an ornate bridge.
Over to you ...
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Try this one then. What is happening and, of course, where?
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A Harvest Festival ?
Those tiles look familiar.
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Not a harvest festival.
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Rochester Cathedral?
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Yes it's Rochester John, but what is happening?
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Was it part of the Big Earth Globe exhibition in the Cathedral?
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Yes it's Rochester John, but what is happening?
I've got it (I think) - will hold back for now.
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Sorry Grandarog, not that.
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Hint: What is the biggest object you can see in the photo?
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is it a display at a Ploughing Match maybe last year at Wouldham ?
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John Walker has already fixed it at Rochester Cathedral, I suspect from the tiles. Keep thinking about the plough and forget Wouldham.
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In that case, I think it is the Annual Blessing of the Plough Service . :)
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Yes. The photo was taken at 16:41 on 13 January 2008 just after the service had finished (my son was a choister that day). It is an annual service well attended by representatives of the farming community so the photo is fairly timeless.
From Wikipedia:Plough Sunday is a traditional English celebration of the beginning of the agricultural year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season) that has seen some revival over recent years. Plough Sunday celebrations usually involve bringing a ploughshare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plowshare) into a church with prayers for the blessing of the land. It is traditionally held on the Sunday after Epiphany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(Christian)), the Sunday between 7 January and 13 January. Accordingly, work in the fields did not begin until the day after Plough Sunday: Plough Monday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plough_Monday). Although the nature of farming has changed over the centuries, Plough Sunday is seen as a way of generally celebrating farming and the work of farmers. In the Church of England book of liturgy, Common Worship: Times and Seasons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Worship), there is a suggested prayer for the "Blessing of the Plough", for the "Blessing of Seed" and passages of Scripture related to the agricultural theme.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plough_Sunday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plough_Sunday)
Forgot to say: Over to you Grandarog.
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Thanks MartinR, Try this one . Where is this.
Sorry about Quality ,copied and cropped from one of my old Postcards.
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Hospital Water Tower?
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Tower yes,Hospital No.
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From the louvres I'd guess that there are bells behind there, so probably an Anglican Church?
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Not a Church.
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Factory?
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Not a Factory . Prominent position Northwest Kent.
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Gravesend Clock Tower in Berkley Crescent, junction of Harmer Street, Milton Road and The Grove. Details:
- Nat Grid: TQ 65025 74079
- Nearest Post Code: DA12 2AH
- Coords (WGS84): 51°26'30"N, 000°22'23"W or 51.441666,0.373105
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Well done MartinR . That was quick.your turn.
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Quick one here, I'm off to the hospital to get this blasted broken arm seen to. The clue is that this is a bridge abutment, where, and once you've worked out where what is it over?
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Stab in the dark. One of the Napoleonic Forts?
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There is a very strong element of that in the answer.
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OK, time for another clue. The bridge was over a part of a Napoleonic fort, but the bridge itself was younger.
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Drop Redoubt North Entrance, Road Bridge from 1950's ?
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Not Dover anywhere. Not a road bridge.
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Fort Borstal?
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Much, much closer
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Probably too far away. Fort Luton. Magpie Hall Road.
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John was closer.
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I'll hold back for a while as if its the one I originally thought it was I played on this for years as a kid. Tried to access the site a few years ago but couldnt get close enough to see it from this angle.
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Fort Amhurst?
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Remains of a footbridge - Fort Clarence?
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In the grounds of Fort Pitt.
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Yes John, you have it, so start preparing the next one. However, the bridge is over a part of Fort Clarence, but do you know either the original name of the area at either end of the bridge when it was originally given to the city? This is the bit that brings in 20thC history.
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Thanks Martin. Is the connection, the adjoining Princess Of Wales's Royal Regiment, C Company? Or perhaps Watts Meadow Nature Reserve?
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Just in case anyone else comes up with the answer I'll hold off until this evening before posting the full story. I'm after the gardens either side of the bridge.
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I can find Fort Clarence Gardens and the Watts Meadow Nature Reserve that adjoin the fort.
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I can come up with the other one, assuming John has already won?
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OK, time for the reveal. The gardens were given as a memorial to George Willis RAF by his father Charles Willis. They were originally called the Willis Gardens but were later renamed to Fort Clarence Gardens. Earlier I said "Yes John, you have it, so start preparing the next one" which I hoped made it clear John had won.
The following is an extract from a book I've been working on for about a decade:
George White Willis RAF
George was born in April 1899. He was the elder of two sons. He completed his schooling during the war and had a place at Christ Church.1 (https://kenthistoryforum.com/#sdfootnote1sym)However he elected to join the colours in the Royal Flying Corps, the precursor to the Royal Air Force. He was initially a third class Air Mechanic and joined on 5 September 1917 (service number 94881). He must have impressed since 5 months later on 1 February 1918 he was discharged and granted a temporary commission as a Probationary 2nd Lieutenant attached to the 1st Aircraft Supply Depot.2 (https://kenthistoryforum.com/#sdfootnote2sym)Fortunately his discharge papers have survived and he was recorded as of 18 years 10 months, 5'10” tall of “good character” and “keen & efficient”.
On 4 January 1919 he took off in a Sopwith Camel 1 ASD (D1867) to perform an engine test. At 200 feet the engine failed and the plane stalled, crashing and killing him. Although the armistice, that is the cease fire, had come into effect on 11 November previously, the war did not officially end until the signing of the Treaty of Versailles in the following June. Willis was therefore killed on active wartime service. He is buried in France, details below.
The public gardens in Borstal (at the point where the Borstal Road meets St Margaret’s Street) had been maintained by Mr Charles Willis and were given to the citizens of Rochester as a memorial to George.
"THESE GARDENS WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY OF ROCHESTER BY ALD & MRS CHARLES WILLIS IN MEMORY OF THEIR SON GEORGE WHITE WILLIS WHO WAS KILLED IN THE GREAT WAR 1914-1919"
His mother, Mrs Edith Lucy Willis, is said to have kept the propeller of the plane in her bedroom in his memory.
Family background
George's father was Charles Jr. He ran a firm of solicitors in Chatham and Rochester and was an important figure in municipal life. With a Mr Shippwick, Charles Jr ran the paddle steamers on the river. Earlier he had given Churchfields (also known as Backfields) in memory of Charles' parents (Charles Sr and Jane). The stone recording this gift is in the retaining wall below St. Margaret's Church and is dated 1906. What is now the part of the Esplanade that runs from Churchfields to the Bridge used to be called Willis Avenue also in memory of Charles Sr and Jane. Charles Jr was mayor for four years and remained an alderman. He was granted the freedom of the city; the highest honour in the gift of the council.
Charles Jr helped to persuade the Short Brothers to move their factory from the Isle of Sheppey to Rochester in 1913. As part of the deal he sold them the 8 acres of land on which their factory was built.
During the Great Depression he gave a sack of coal (normally 1 hundredweight, 50 kg, at that time) to every citizen of Rochester and also supplied shoes to the city's schoolchildren.1 (https://kenthistoryforum.com/#sdfootnote1sym)
The family home was given to the city on Charles' death in 1943. It was renamed “Greenacres” and became a home for unmarried mothers, then referred to as “fallen women”. Ultimately the house was burnt and demolished and a terrace build on the Borstal Road site near Goddings Drive.
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Thanks, Martin. A very interesting report on the gardens. I'd never have known any of that otherwise.
Next one up shortly.
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Next one everyone.... Another church so shouldn't be too difficult.
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Recognised the War Memorial, so know which Village the Church serves .Will hold off for a while. :)
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Small village just west of mid-Kent.
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Well I reckon that Lenham is just about mid-Kent. Would I be right looking for a small village a few miles west of there?
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If Lenham is Mid Kent then you need to be around 15 miles roughly WNW. :)
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The church is not right in the village.
Something unusual on the village green
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Snodland?
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Snodland?
Not Snodland Lutonman - head South West.
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St. Michael and All Angels Church?
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I Think you have it Beachbum at Ofham,
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St. Michael and All Angels Church?
You have it Beachbum - over to you.
St. Michael and All Angels Church, Offham.
My clue about an unusual item on the village green ......
The village is famed for its medieval quintain which stands on the green, believed to be the last remaining example in the country.
The quintain consists of a wooden post around eight feet in height with a freely rotating arm on the top. One end of the arm is flat (the "eye"), with the other used to attach heavy objects such as a leather pack. In a sport dating back to perhaps Roman times, a horseman would ride at the quintain at full pace with his lance extended to strike the flat end. Should the horseman not be riding sufficiently quickly, the arm would swing around and the heavy object knock him off his horse.
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Thanks John Walker, that sounds like a sport worth watching. Perhaps they should bring it back with some Benny Hill Music playing?
Okay, the next one for you............
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St. Michael and All Angels Church, Offham.
Location:- Nat'l Grid: TQ 66023 58067
- Nearest Post Code: ME19 5NZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°17'51"N,000°22'48E or 51.297520.37998
The church itself looks rather interesting. A Saxon private chapel, rebuilt c. 1080 and hence missing from Domesday, but is mentioned in the Textus Roffensis. Of the original Norman build, only the lower part of the tower is extant, but the 13thC work was interlaced with Norman work, and indeed scars can still be seen. It's now on my list of places to visit! Church website, with an excellent 3D tour: http://www.stmaryswestmalling.org.uk/?page_id=181 (http://www.stmaryswestmalling.org.uk/?page_id=181)
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@Beachbum, with an invert like that and no flat roadway/walking surface/trackbed that looks like a water tunnel. I'd say canal, but the T&S has the railway in it, and there were no other major canals in Kent! I'm thinking therefore flood relief or similar?
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Thanks for the Co-ordinates MartinR.
Not water related............
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Is part of this now a visitor attraction?
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Looks like an underground Fuel Tank . Maybe Dover . :-\
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You have it grandarog.
Various Oil Tanks were installed inside the Cliffs in 1940 by the Eastern Docks. These were the largest (5) at 33ft wide and 35ft high.
Over to you..............
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Thanks Beachbum,It was the floor that gave it away.I remember a bit on TV when a reporter went inside a tank .I wasn't sure where it was.
Next GTP later this evening. :)
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FYI: The floor is the invert, the same in this case but not always. When you dig a tunnel the ground pushes up as well as down so you need to use a tube or else construct an inverted arch to pass the forces out to the walls. For road or rail you then insert a floor or trackbed above the invert. Obviously a storage tank (like a canal tunnel) doesn't need a floor per se.
I don't think that this GTP needs location information!
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Here we go with the next one . Where would you come upon this sight.
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, you'd be getting your feet wet. It's the old Kingsferry bridge over the Swale, the B2231 located at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 91433 69325
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 8SS
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'26"N,000°45'00"E or 51.390668,0.750076
BTW, it was on the telly last night in Silent Witness with the Isle of Sheppey doubling as "Southbay".
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Not wet feet.View taken from a train bus or car approaching the Island.
Well done MartinR, that was the next clue if needed :) .
Your turn.
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I know that bridge so well from both the water and the road. Memories of requesting a bridge lift at around 17:00 and seeing all the people who thought they could avoid queues at the roundabout stuck whilst we gently motored through. :)
OK, here's one from last summer. Where though?
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Is it Bloors Wharf just along from Gillingham Riverside Country park?
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That's got to be some sort of record Stewie. Location data
following below, but in the meantime over to you.
Camera at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 81858 67734
- Nearest Post Code: ME8 7TP
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'46"N,000°36'42"E or 51.379524,0.611799
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Just got lucky MartinR, Mrs Stewie and myself often walk along to here from the Riverside Park so recognised it straight away! Will put something up tomorrow morning after I have looked through my pictures though not sure what of yet!
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Todays offering, where was I standing when I took this picture?
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Wedding venue?
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Upnor Castle Gatehouse:
- Nat Grid: TQ 75829 70557
- Nearest Post Code: ME2 4XG
- Co-ord (WGS84): 51°24'24"N,000°31'36"E or 51.406787,0.5266603,42m
- and that 42m means your feet were 138' above ordinance datum. Close enough? ;)
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Now that is impressive MartinR though I did not measure the elevation! Back to you!
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Try this one then. I've blanked out the church details, so you can just concentrate on the rather fine (and listed) tomb. Clues (if needed) at slow intervals.
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No takers or guesses in 24 hours? The monument is a grade II listed building in itself. It lies within the churchyard of a grade II* listed church. Oh, and if you look really closely, the family name is readable.
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Is it in the recently listed Chatham Jewish Cemetery?
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No John, but thanks for the info, I didn't know the Jewish Cemetery had been listed recently. BTW, "Church" not "Synagogue" nor the horrible "PoW" that they put on maps these days. "When I were a lad", PoW meant Prisoner of War!
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The Miller Monument at All Saints, Frindsbury.
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Well done John. Thats the one. Official listing at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1336169?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1336169?section=official-list-entry) Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 74400 69777
- Nearest Post Code: ME2 4UR
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'01"N,000°30'21"E or 51.400214,0.505748
It's mentioned at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints_Church,_Frindsbury#Tombs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints_Church,_Frindsbury#Tombs) and at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Frindsbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Frindsbury)
Over to you.
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That was a bit of a mission! About five attempts over the last couple of days, in the end a combination of Mr Google, Wikipedia, GSV and finding the optimum level of magnification to be able to guess the name on the monument.
Back soon, need to look encouraging while someone else does some (of my) manual labour ;)
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I think it's the grave of the Miller Family. All Saints Church, Frindsbury ?
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@John Walker - sorry, John Filmer got it this morning. You're right though, but he gets the cigar.
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Oh dear 😜
I've been so tied up searching that I missed John's answer. Brain not in gear...
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I have an internet problem, can only get online with iPad.
Both sons coming this afternoon (it’s my birthday ::) [size=78%]) so hopefully they can sort out our booster plug thingys and get us back to normality. Our cottage is a Faraday Cage with steel reinforced concrete beams so we are reliant on them.[/size]
Can I therefore pass the baton to JW, who did, after all, find the correct answer?
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Thank JohnFilmer. I do have one ready, so I'll jump in.
Shouldn't be too difficult.
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I'm sitting this one out. Not only did I recognise it at once, but I have visited there several times and have even written about it.
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I came across this place while searching for another recent GTP.
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Workhouse Garden ,Cranbrook ,maybe?
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Grandarog - Head north about 20 miles
MartinR - I look forward to your info on this place.
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That puts it near Cliffe?
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That puts it near Cliffe?
That's about 5km too far north. ;D
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Foord Almhouses Rochester?
I look forward to the story of this complex
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Foord Almhouses Rochester?
I look forward to the story of this complex
Well done Beachbum. I know nothing about these amazing almshouses so I too look forward to info from MartinR.
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Thanks John Walker. We await MartinR to provide the information..........
So next one is part of a complex that started in 1895, this photo from the 1938 new block
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The story starts with Charles and Mary Ross of Acorn House, Rochester. They ran the Acorn Wharf shipbuilding and ship repairing business at Acorn Wharf. John Foord was born in Chatham in 1796 and came to work for the Rosses. When he was 23 he married their daughter Rebekah. Eventually he took over the business and started to grow it. by the time of his death in 1868 his company (John Foord and Sons) owned most of the land which is now becoming Rochester Riverside. John was an Alderman and JP.
John, and later his sons, renovated forts, build St. Mary's Strood and the Bridge Wardens' offices. It was their government contracts that really filled the coffers though, They had contracts from the Admiralty and built some or all of the dockyard basins. For this they acquired the stone quarries at Allington to add to their brickworks at Upnor. They built the Royal Marine barracks and then moved on to contracts including the Houses of Parliament, the British Museum and London police courts.
John and Rebekah had eight children, only two of whom married. Most of the boys went into politics leaving just the eldest, John Ross, and the third child, Thomas Hellyar Foord to run the business. Three of the children died within 6 months of each other in 1896 and John Ross followed them in 1902. Thomas was left without family or descendants and from this point the business seems to have declined.
Thomas was extremely wealthy however, and started to give away money. He gave nearly £6,000 to build the nurses home at St. Bartholomew's Hospital (Rochester), and another £500 for general use. He turned his attention to the cathedral and paid £6.319 to rebuild the tower and replace the spire which had been missing since the 1830 works. As if that weren't enough he gave £730 for repairs to the chapter room and £2,000 for other repairs including stabaising and converting Gundulf's Tower. Then he paid for the cathedral clock, and also funded the 1904 partial recasting and augmentation of the bells. Several of the 1904 bells carried inscriptions dedicated to the memory of family members.
He died on 30 November 1917 and left a further £10,000 to the hospital, £2,000 to the cathedral and £2,000 to the council to pay for Eastgate house along with a further £7,000 for an extension to accommodate treasures he had also left to the council.
The residue of his estate paid for the Foord Almshouses which opened in 1927. They are grade II* built in the shape of a "U" with a boundary wall closing off the arms and enclosing the courtyard garden visible in the satellite photo. The central hall is decorated with a frieze running around all four walls. The frieze is filled with murals illustrating scenes from English history.
Link to the official listing: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1329912 (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1329912)
Oops, nearly forgot:- Nat Grid: TQ 73710 67122
- Nearest Post Code: ME1 3AF
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'36"N,000°29'40"E or 51.37658,0.49454
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Brilliant post thank you Martin. Perhaps this could be posted as an article in its own right? It is connected to the article I posted (or rather a link to an article elsewhere) about Mrs Ross.
I like to see people following up on these Guess the Place items.
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Thanks MartinR. I didn't know anything about the Foord Almshouses and their history prior to your article. It's amazing how people used to give such large sums of money to charity in the past. I get the impression that people with money these days keep it to themselves - although I guess there are exceptions.
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Thank you MartinR. A very interesting family History indeed. Like stuartwaters suggested, if you have time? There are so many projects linked to this family, perhaps a different thread to work through them?
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Thankyou all for your kind words. I'm currently working on a pamphlet/small book (50 pages and counting) which will include the whole Foord family. If you can bear with me for a while I can publish the Foord section here in due course.
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Beachbum - is your photo a hospital?
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Is the building facing out to sea?
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Pincess Mary's Workhouse ,Margate. Closed and now is Flats.
Princess Mary's Hospital , Margate (workhouses.org.uk) (https://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-PrincessMarys/)
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You have it grandarog.
Several phases were built over the years, but mainy a Childrens Workhouse.The site now has a Medical Centre in the 1895 section, a care home and as grandarog says: Flats
Over to you............
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Thanks Beachbum ,pure luck as i had seen the pic when researching various Kent Workhouse's the other day.
Nice easy one next .
Where was I and where was the Van heading towards.
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A mid-Kent village?
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East Kent :)
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Drivers that watch the road should soon get this one.
TN postcode.
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I presume the anti-skid road surface is relevant? Leading up to a level crossing?
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Sundridge?
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John Walker, Not a level crossing ,anti skid is found at a lot of junctions etc.
Luton man, Sorry not Sundridge ,,, it's East Kent TN Postcode .
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This road is in a very historic Village with a Saxon name and a 13 Century Church that replaced an earlier one.
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Romney Marsh?
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Wrong side of Ashford .The road shown is quite high up compared to Romney Marsh.
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A252 at Challock ?
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You have it John Walker ,Chollock Cross . looking down theCharing -Maidstone road.
We had just had lunch at the pub behind me.
Over to You.
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Can you give a bit more information on the location? I can't find any pubs in Challock neither can I fine Challock/Chollock Cross.
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Can you give a bit more information on the location? I can't find any pubs in Challock neither can I fine Challock/Chollock Cross.
The Halfway House. At the roundabout where the A251 and A252 cross. :)
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No problem MartinR.
Challock Cross is one of the highest points on the North Downs.
The roundabout used to be a Crossroads and had the reputation of being the worst accident spot in Kent for years.
The Pub used to serve an excellent Pensioners menu for a Tenner. I hear it has since changed hands so I cant recommend it today.
GTP view in RED.
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Thanks Gradarog
I've traveled that route many times but still didn't recognise it. We used to have meals in the Halfway House with our kids.
Next one.
Can be seen on GSV
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Thanks Grandarog. I was totally thrown that the pub wasn't marked as an eating/drinking place. Anyhow, camera location information (to add to your map) is:
- Nat Grid: TR0110250825
- Nearest Post Code: TN25 4FA
- Co-ords(WGS84): 51°13'16"N,000°52'42"E or 51.221190,0.878443
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The location has a military connection
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Medway area?
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Roughly a bit east of mid Kent
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Midway between a fast railway line and a busy 'A' Road. On the outskirts of a large town.
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Near Ashford then?
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Near Ashford then?
Yes JohnFilmer :)
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From what I can gather, this was on a large private estate. Close to a supermarket now.
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First thoughts would put it near to the A20/M20 junction, but I can't see anything remotely similar. So is it in the Sevington/Mersham area?
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Not the Sevington area. More NW side of Ashford. The area bears the same name as this manor.
(Remember the military connection)
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Repton Manor House (Templar Barracks) near the Waitrose Site?
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You have it Beachbum - over to you. :)
HISTORY: Repton Manor mentioned in Domesday Book and was afterwards held by the Valoigns family and later the Fogge family. Sir John Fogge lived at Repton during the reign of Edward IV and was Comptroller and Treasurer of the Royal Household and also a Privy Councellor. Circa 1578 Sir Michael Sondes became the owner followed by the Tufton family of Hothfield and Nicholas Tufton was created Earl of Thanet by Charles I c1628. Hasted's "History of Kent" c1800 mentions that a Court Baron was still being held here and "A great part of this mansion in which Sir John Fogge dwelt temp. Edward IV is remaining".
In 1844 the building, called Ripton was occupied by James Olden a tenant of the Earl of Thanet. The building is first shown on a 1640 estate map. The 1844 Tithe Map shows a south wing which was no longer present on the 1871 Ordnance Survey map. Repton Manor became an officers' mess in 1940, became officers' accommodation in 1967 and later the residence of the Commandant and Inspector of Intelligence. In 1975 it became the School of Intelligence Service.
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Well done Beachbum, I was chasing the wrong railway line and wrong supermarket!
English heritage listing at: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1378986?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1378986?section=official-list-entry)
Location:- Nat Grid: TQ 99834 43525 (taken from the EH listing)
- Nearest Post Code: TN23 3GP
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°09'22"N, 000°51'23"E or 51.15607,0.85627
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Thanks John Walker and MartinR. I struggled to find that one and covered a lot of ground, thanks for the clues.
So your next one..............
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Been there seen that ,will wait a while give others a chance. :)
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Thanks grandarog 8)
Clue: Erected in 1920, Coastal view
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Is it related to a disaster?
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In a way JW, 16 lives on this plaque. But it marks a former site of what and not just that year.............
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Is it related to mining?
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Not mining MartinR.
In use time span: 1917 - 1945
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Found it. I've been to that area numerous times and didn't know about it. I'll hold fire for a while as I've had a few GTPs lately.
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Thanks John Walker 8)
I found it on a walk and was very surprised.
The 16 on the plaque were mainly overseas persons........
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So I'm guessing Dover area?
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Go North-North East MartinR
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So Deal area?
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Indeed MartinR, overlooks a Large Historic Building............
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First used by the Navy, but do not let that confuse you as it's on Land.......
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Deal castle?
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Not Deal Castle Lutonman. It refers to some land, not a building
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If no one has guessed by this evening I will answer. :)
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I have not played in a while, and I spend some time tracking it down, so I shall claim it and have a little play.
https://kentww1.com/walmer-airfield-memorial/
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Well done local Hiker .The Parish Council also erected a memorial and wrote a history of the Aerodrome in 2017.
[size=78%]hawkshill freedown and walmer aerodrome - WalmerWeb (http://www.walmerweb.co.uk/walmer-aerodrome.html)[/size]
There is a far more detailed account on the Town Council site.
The History of Walmer Aerodrome - Walmer Town Council (walmercouncil.co.uk) (https://www.walmercouncil.co.uk/The_History_of_Walmer_Aerodrome_38163.aspx)
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Thank you grandarog. It is a bit far from me to go check out.
Next GTP, I went for a walk a couple of weeks ago and came across this. It was not there last time I was at the location, so has only been there for a couple of years. I have other photos that will make identifying the location easier. I will post them as clues if necessary.
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It's not the lake in Mote Park is it?
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It is the lake in Mote Park. The 2, what look like winches, have been installed by the boat house. I do not really know what they are specifically.
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I wonder if they controlled the sluices at one time?
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This is a close up of what look like pulley wheels. I wonder if they are boat winches? Their current location is recent, and seems to be just as a sculpture/feature. Their current location is not where they spent their working life.
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I think they are probably sluice gate gear. The dam which keeps the lake in Mote Park (and not in Turkey Mill) has recently been refurbished. These are probably the old sluice gear.
What was puzzling me was that there was no obvious connection between the gear box and the "pulleys". No winding drum. Then it occurred to me that two vertical iron rods would have each had a rack meshing with the gearbox, and the "pulleys" are in fact idler wheels at the back of the racks to keep them engaged. The two ratchet arms lying over the top of the gearbox would engage the racks and stop them falling down. The two levers running off to the left would slide either or both cogs along the keyed shaft to engage the appropriate rack. At the bottom of the racks (below the current ground level) would be wooden boards making up a sliding valve.
I do wonder how long those bronze bushes will last, they must be worth a bit to the sort of scumbags who destroy preserved machinery.
I suppose that having got the place and description that you'll be wanting me to post something. Tomorrow morning - watch this space.
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Where would I find this displayed? Bragging rights if anyone can give details of what it inspired. I'm afraid this is an easy one so shouldn't last too long.
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Did it inspire the design of Canterbury Cathedral tiles? Not sure where it can be found though.
Your description of what you think were sluice controls is excellent. You obviously have good mechanical knowledge. I seem to remember from a visit a good few years back that there were two sluice controls at Moat Park. One controlled the water that diverted to Turkey Mill and the other controlled the River Len continuing on toward Maidstone.
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Thanks for the complement John. I've been fascinated by inland navigation since I was young, and have spent many a happy day on canals and rivers. I've seen similar often. A different mechanism, but this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Worcester_and_Birmingham_Canal_Sluice_gate_-_geograph.org.uk_-_2468166.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Worcester_and_Birmingham_Canal_Sluice_gate_-_geograph.org.uk_-_2468166.jpg)¹ illustrates the idea.
I'm afraid the image is not Canterbury Cathedral though.
¹ Worcester and Birmingham Canal Sluice gate by Mr M Evison, CC BY-SA 2.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0>, via Wikimedia Commons
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No takers? If no-one is near by tomorrow morning I'll post the colour version which may inspire you.
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Did it inspire the design of tiles?
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No, not tiles
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Anything to do with the Boy Scout Symbol (fleur-de-lis)?
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No, not the scouts.
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As promised, the full colour version.
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Is it on the wall at Walmer Castle???
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Go west, young man (well to be accurate WNW).
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Anything to do with the Black Knight?
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I think you may be a little confused. The Black Knight could be several figures, most commonly it refers to Sir Ralph de Ashton (fl. 1421-1486) who served under Edward IV. As far as I know he has no connection with Kent. The Black Prince (aka Edward of Woodstock, 15 June 1330-8 June 1376), on the other hand, was the eldest son of Edward III and heir apparent. He is buried in Canterbury Cathedral.
The image though has nothing to do with either the Black Prince or Canterbury.
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Chilham ?
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Keep going.
Hint: As well as the original, the decoration scheme has also been used in a railway station (visible on GSV).
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My guess is, Rochester Cathedral and the new Rochester Station?
I'm sure a slightly similar design is in some of the floor tiles in the cathedral but could be wrong.
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Looks like a similar design mural at Rochester Modern Station.
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Yes, you're both right. The preserved painting is in the cathedral. There used to be high backed quire stalls from the organ screen right up to the presbytery, cutting off the quire transepts. When the Victorians removed these old seats they found some of the mediaeval wall painting behind which had been protected from the iconoclasts. The Rota Fortunae ("Wheel of Life") is preserved in its present fragmentary form. The bords though showed what the original decoration was and the restorers used this on the newly re-exposed walls. The original medieval panels were preserved and are displayed in the south quire transept. When the new station was opened the motif was used for a decoration. However this caused a bit of a rumpus because it was held to be a religious image and upset someone. Fortunately the dust has settled and it is a colourful augmentation to the concourse.
See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rochester_Cathedral_Choir,_Kent,_UK_-_Diliff.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rochester_Cathedral_Choir,_Kent,_UK_-_Diliff.jpg)
Credit: Diliff, CC BY-SA 3.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0>, via Wikimedia Commons
Right John, over to you.
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Thank you Martin, another really interesting one from you.
Next one ... on GSV - should be an easy one.
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East Kent ?
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East Kent ?
Yes Grandarog, East Kent
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Looks a lot like St Mary the Virgin's Church, Nonnington?
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Hi CAT. An incredible resemblance ;D
Over to you .
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Well done CAT. Location information:
- Nat Grid: TR 25314 52351
- Nearest Post Code: CT15 4LH
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°13'33"N,001°13'32"E or 51.225856,1.225563
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Cat beat me to it.Done and dusted before i logged on. :)
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Good evening to you all and apologies for the delay caused by work.
Many thanks John Walker, this is one of those churches i have worked at a couple of time over the last few years and remember it well.
My next is another church, but more towards the western part of the county than Nonnington.
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St. Dunstan's Church, Cranbrook?
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It is indeed St Dunstan's Church, Cranbrook Beachbum. Over to you and again apologies for the delay.
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 77695 36165
- Nearest Post Code: TN17 3HA
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°05'50"N,000°32'11"E or 51.09726,0.53639
PS - I loved accidental village name "Cranbrook Beachbum"; it ought to rank along with "North Piddle", "Wyre Piddle", "Scratchy Bottom" and of course "Shitterton" :) ;) :D ;D
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Thanks CAT. I must check out the Beach at Cranbrook :)
Next one: "Think of a Colour"
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I like your clue Beachbum ;) . I know this one, so it wouldn't be a guess.
I'll hold back.
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Ditto ,Lovely Place to visit. :) Hold off for a while.
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Another clue....
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Presumably the colour is orange from the term orangery? So a quick search of orangeries in Kent gives an image of one at Chiddingstone Castle.
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Spot on Stewie, it is the Orangery at Chidingstone Castle.
Over to you....
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 49747 45034
- Nearest Post Code: TN8 7AD
- Coords (WGS84): 51°11'06"N,000°08'29"E or 51.184931,0.141277
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Thanks Beachbum
We visited Chidderstone Castle in 2019 and even photographed the orangery but could not remember it! My next one was taken a few years ago but I would guess the view is still the same so where was I when I took this picture?
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I'm trying to make out the object inside the building. It could be an early turbine - is it some sort of preserved town or estate electricity plant? The only other thing it looks like is a flint mill, but we don't have any 19thC potteries in Kent (or do we?).
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Good spot Martin R and I was going to offer this as a clue later. The mechanism inside the room is a (large) grinding wheel.
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Part of a museum? Gunpowder perhaps?
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The only preserved gunpowder mill I could find was Chart, Faversham. However the grindstones are quite different, compare the picture below with Stewie's picture, the axles look quite different. What else in Kent used large grindstones? Charcoal? Malt?
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The Hop Farm, Beltring perhaps?
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What would they be grinding there though? I'm fairly certain that they only handled hops and not malt.
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Not Beltinge John Walker and Martin R has hit the post in footballing terms!
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- Well it can't be Oare gunpowder mill, that seems to just be a ruin in a country park.
- I can't find photos of Dartford gunpowder mill.
- It's not Chart, wrong type of stones.
- Gunpowder Mill, Faversham is a pub which doesn't seem to have any substantive connection with an actual mill.
I may be hitting goal posts, but to keep the sporting analogy, I'm stumped.
Alternatively, is it some other sort of mill in Faversham? Part of the Shepherd Neame outfit for instance?
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Another clue, Uhtred Uhtredson moored his ship not far from here in one of the 'Last Kingdom' series novels.
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Anything to do with the spirit distillery next to Chatham Dockyard?
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Sorry JohnWalker no, but Martin R has now gone from hitting the post to a shot cleared off the line!
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My definition of a football match: "a couple of dozen hooligans kicking a pig's bladder around a paddock, watched by a herd of sheep", so you can guess how well footballing analogies work! You said "cleared off the line", so am I barking up the wrong tree with Faversham?
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Martin R You are certainly the closest so far. The place has a visitor centre although not opened when we visited, and some nice walks alongside waterways, ponds and trees. 🤓👍
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ME13 postcode
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Well the only waterways in ME13 are Faversham Creek, Oare Creek and the Swale. Looking for visitor centres, the only one I can see is Standard Wharf, but that didn't have any grindstones in it last time I visited. I've not seen inside the visitor centre at Harty Ferry. For both of those though the building are wrong.
We have:- ME13 (Faversham area)
- Waterway, ponds and trees
- Uhtred Uhtredson moored his ship not far from here (which makes sense with a waterway).
- Large grinding wheel
- Turquoise painted single storey wooden building with brick-built one beyond. Trees in the background and trees in front of the building judging by the shade.
We can ignore:- Oare gunpowder mill, that seems to just be a ruin in a country park.
- Chart, wrong type of stones.
- Gunpowder Mill,can't find the buildings in the pub grounds.
- Standard Wharf, can't find/remember the buildings.
- Harty Ferry, again the buildings are wrong.
- Brogdale, no waterway, and I don't recall the buildings.
- Faversham Visitor Centre, not on a waterway.
Is it visible on GSV?
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Martin R
Might I suggest that you reconsider your analysis specifically your ignore list? A quick look at some images on Google for potential sites might assist your quest!
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Grr, does Chart have two sets of stones? I've found the image below on GoogleImage.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Machinery_in_the_Mill_House%2C_Oare_Gunpowder_Works_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1621671.jpg)
Attribution: David Anstiss / Machinery in the Mill House, Oare Gunpowder Works
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Well done Martin R my footballing analogy about having the ball cleared off the line (i.e. a last attempt to prevent a goal), related to your rejecting the Oare Gunpowder works earlier!
For those who have followed Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' series, in the book 'Sword of Kings' Uhtred comes to Oare Creek on route to Faversham to rescue the mother of the future King Athelstan.
We thought Oare Gunpowder works to be worth a day out (combined with a trip to Standard Quay). Its very photogenic but we would like to return when the visitor centre is open which is on Sundays I think.
Over to you Martin R :)
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Location of Chart:
- Nat Grid: TR 00967 61240
- Nearest Post Code: ME13 7SE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'53"N,000°52'57"E or 51.314769,0.882362
Right, here's the next one. Clearly a WWII pill box (zero marks for that) but where?
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Location of Chart:- Nat Grid: TR 00967 61240
- Nearest Post Code: ME13 7SE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'53"N,000°52'57"E or 51.314769,0.882362
Right, here's the next one. Clearly a WWII pill box (zero marks for that) but where?
Just to correct Martin R the actual answer is Oare Gunpowder works country park at post code ME13 7UD and not Chart as you stated in your reply. Your picture was correctly captioned though!.
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Quick guess Detling Airfield. :)
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Good guess, but no dice.
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East Kent ?
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No, pick another compass direction.
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Hint: the photo was taken from the pavement along side a busy road.
It is not visible in GSV because the GSV scene is summer with lots of leaves.
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Isle of Grain area?
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Medway area?
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Yes John.
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On the side of the A2 somewhere?
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Beside the A228 towards Chattenden?
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Neither the A2 nor the A228 I'm afraid.
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Bluebell Hill area?
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closer
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Borstal?
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Borstal Bluebell Hill and here roughly form a triangle.
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Ash Tree Lane, off Capstone Road ?
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Too far east, remember "a busy road".
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Rochester's Maidstone road?
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Much closer, in fact only a couple of hundred feet away.
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Are we talking Rochester airport?
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Yes, can you be a little more precise?
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I seem to recall there was one on the main A229 near the entrance to BAE, but can't find it there now.
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That's close enough.
Location:- Nat Grid: TQ 74755 64822
- Nearest Post Code: ME4 6FD
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°21'20"N 000°30'30"E or 51.355594,0.508411
In the GSV shots below, the marker shows the clump of trees which covers it from the air. The trees that the plane is approaching shows the summer view.
Over to you.
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Thanks MartinR
Next picture from another treasure trail adventure in Kent
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Sandwich (from the coat of arms)?
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But note the crosier. In heraldry this is only used by cardinals, bishops, abbots and abbesses. So are we looking for a religious institution?
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Looking a bit closer, this may be a political statement or else just fun. Note that the figure holding the shield is a devil (forked tail, cloven hooves and horns) who is winking and sticking out his tongue. The lettering behind has "James ..... 1657". The figure may be newer than the house, conversely the inscription may record a change of ownership after the building had already been used. 1657 was during the Commonwealth, when there were no bishops, and of course no abbots, they were dissolved over 100 years previously.
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Sandwich, is too far east, The Figure is over a shop but I don't know the history of the shop.
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My guess, somewhere in Canterbury.
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Still too far East
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Lets try Faversham!
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Yes, Faversham is the correct Town. Now to find the shop!
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The Stationary Shop .No 91,Preston Street on Corner of and Market Street.
There is one atop the frame supports each side of the Doorway.
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I see that the shop is described as "Mock Tudor" and the brickwork above is at least double thickness. It's a Victorian building, so where they nabbed the gargoyles and shields from is anyone's guess.
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Well done Grandarog.
Again this was a clue on a Faversham treasure trail around the town.
Over to you.
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Thanks Lutonman :) . Pretty sure it was a Chemist back in the 1950's ,I seem to remember buying Teats for the Soc Lambs Bottles there.
Here's the next one from my excursions.
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From Kent Messenger Online: "A shopkeeper is preparing to wrap up her business and blames “dire footfall” in the town for the store's demise after 155 years." so possible not a chemist?
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I know that view only too well, so I’ll keep quiet.
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I know that view only too well, so I’ll keep quiet.
Me too, so it wouldn't be a guess. I'll hold back.
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CT Postcode,gets a lot of tourists visiting. :)
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Chilham, Street End. Some views show the Building covered for restoration work.
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Well Done ,Over to You Beachbum
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Thanks grandarog.
The next one is from a different era, but very useful..........
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I think I know this one - unless there are more than one this shape. I'll hold fire for now.
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Same as John walker,I think this is the only one like it. :)
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Very distinctive, and I spent most Saturdays in 1969 helping to build the organ in the church opposite ::)
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Somehow my previous post got lost. Anyhow, following Beachbum's solution I spent quite some time going up and down (virtually) The Street and couldn't find the view. It's actually at the top of Taylor's Hill, Not at the end of The Street. Camera location:
- Nat Grid: TR 06790 53605
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 8BZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'39"N,000°57'41"E or 51.24412,0.96138
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Beachbum, I think that's the Hollingbourne water tower, junction of Hollingbourne Hill and Ringlestone Road. If so it is located at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 85627 56425
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 1QJ
- Co-ords (WGS84) 51°16'36"N,000°39'36"E or 51.2767,0.6600
I've found another one in Herne Bay, surrounded by Mickleburgh Hill, Dence Park and Lavender Grove :- Nat Grid: TR 18699 67901
- Nearest Post Code: CT6 6FG
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'05",001°08'26"E or 51.36804,1.14050
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Thanks for the accurate info on Chilham (I went with the google info).
Not Hollingbourne, bu it is Herne Bay MartinR........
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You can see that the Hollingbourne one is the same design, see below. Now for the next GTP. where would I find this carpentry? (Edited to use a photo the right way up!)
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Doh! got that wrong .I thought the one on B2163 near Hollingbourne Hill What about you John Walker?
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Underside of a Barn roof ?
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Yes Grandarog, but which barn? :)
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How about the Tithe Barn at Boxley?
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No. Now you mention, I've never seen details about any opening for that. Thanks for reminding me, I must see if there is ever any public access.
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Is it the Tithe Barn in Lenham?
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Bybrook Barn , Ashford ?
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No, not Bybrook.
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Doh! got that wrong .I thought the one on B2163 near Hollingbourne Hill What about you John Walker?
I was thinking of the Herne Bay one. Been past it numerous times.
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The barn may date from 1300, which is what is in the official listing, but more recent dendrochronological examination may suggest a later date of c. 1400. The source for the listing includes the phrases "the undoubted queen of the kentish barns" and "Its carpentry is peerless". So where is it?
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Littlebourne Barn?
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That must be Manor Farm Barn, Frindsbury,Near Strood.
The great barn at Frindsbury was built in about 1403 and at 210 feet long was one of the longest in England. It had 13 full bays, but unfortunately 4 of these were destroyed in a great fire in 2005.
[/size]It was in the ownership of the Church Commissioners, but has now been bought by a consortium of local business men who plan to restore it and make it the centre of a community heritage area.
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Spot on Grandarog. Manor Farm, Parsonage Lane, Frindsbury. It is sometimes open on heritage days. Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 7469 7003
- Nearest Post Code: ME2 4UT
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'09"N,000°30'36E or 51.4024,0.5100
So over to you.
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Thanks MartinR :) .
Where did I take this photo of a Village sign.
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Sorry, another one that I recognise, so again I'll hold back.
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Found it, but will hang fire for others to locate
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No takers? So it's Hartlip
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Well done Beachbum.
Maybe we will get some others interested in having a go one day.I live in hope. :)
Over to you.
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Thanks grandarog. Strange thing is that many have a look, but no guess?
So next one.........
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I'll keep stum on this one, the dozen speakers below are of more interest to me.
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Not seen this view before but a guess would be in the grounds of Quex House.
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Waterloo Tower, Grounds of Quex House Birchington.
The Tower is one of three Folleys built in the early 1800,s.
The Waterloo Tower at Quex Park is a prominent local landmark built in 1819, purely for John Powell Powells love of campanology. The Tower was the first with 12 Bells to be built in Kent and one of the only 12 Bell Towers, not attached to a church, still in regular use in the UK.
The red bricks for the building came from the Faversham brickfields and the original twelve bells were cast in 1818/1819 by Thomas Mears of Whitechapel Bell Foundry.
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Information on the bells and official listing (grade II) can be found at:
- http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=226 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=226)
- https://dove.cccbr.org.uk/tower/14108 (https://dove.cccbr.org.uk/tower/14108)
- https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1094674?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1094674?section=official-list-entry)
The former, "Love's Guide to the Church Bells of Kent", is the more comprehensive. "Dove's Guide for Church Bell Ringers" is internationally recognised as the standard reference work.
Location information:- Nat Grid: TR 31081 68042
- Nearest Post Code: CT7 0BH
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°21'52N",001°19'05"E or 51.36441,1.31816
Please note that this is the location information for the tower, to access the tower you need to enter the grounds through the visitor entrance which is some way off.
According to Dove there are "51 full-circle rings which are in the British Isles, are in the ownership of Private Ownership, and have at least 3 bells". Some of these are quite small (eg the Tulloch 8, tenor 1-1-15) and the 51 includes portable rings. Not all are ringable. Some in private ownership are in former churches which are owned by a trust or converted to secular use.
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You are all correct, so I am not sure who takes the the Prize? Between you we have an interesting history of the Waterloo Tower.
I think that goes to grandarog for the exact description.
(I was confused by the dozen speakers)
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For those not familiar with the Waterloo Tower, see below:
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John Walker had it,I merely clarified which of the 3 Towers.
Next one Please John Walker. :)
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When a bell makes a sound it "speaks". I wasn't going to lay claim to it since bells are part of my life so left it cryptically as a "dozen speakers" for the 12-bell ring.
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John Walker had it,I merely clarified which of the 3 Towers.
Next one Please John Walker. :)
Thanks - I'll put a new one up shortly.
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Interesting info about the Waterloo Tower. I've been to Quex and the amazing museum but have never seen the tower. The sound of the bells must be incredible.
Here's the next one. East half of the county.
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Can be seen in the middle distance on GSV along a fairly busy 'A'road that heads to the coast.
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A20 ?
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Not the A20 but this A road does meet up with the A20 on its way to the coast.
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Is it somewhere along the A260 ?
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Is it somewhere along the A260 ?
Yes, Grandarog 🙂
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Its a long road.
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Legend has it that this place could be haunted.
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A previous and famous owner of this property was born in Canterbury.
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Tappington Hall at Denton.Rev. Richard Harris Barham ~ The "Thomas Ingoldsby" of literature was born at Canterbury, December 6th 1788
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Well done Beachbum - over to you. Here's more info about The Ingoldsby Legends. An interesting and informative read.
http://www.elham.co.uk/IngoldsbyLegends/IngoldsbyLegends.htm (http://www.elham.co.uk/IngoldsbyLegends/IngoldsbyLegends.htm)
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Well, I'd never have found that! It's grade II*, official listing here: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1070011?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1070011?section=official-list-entry)
Location information:- Nat Grid: TR 21006 46239
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 6RG
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°10:22"N,001°09'37"E or 51.17266,1.16021
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MartinR - It is tucked away a bit and at the end of a lane that's not covered by Google. the only view I could find was from the A260 as you leave Denton heading for Folkestone.
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Thanks John Walker and MartinR.
Next one for you, starting with a small shot............
"Water"
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A fountain ?
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One of a pair at base of steps or gateway ???
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It is a Fountain design. This is one of Four Piers in the image.
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Found it but will hold back for now. An interesting one.
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Another shot.
This has a very unusual story of recent "vandalism" and the action taken
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Found it ,Come on lets have a newcomer make a guess. :)
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This is part of the Base Section, a Trough for drinking.
The Fountain was erected to remember a Photographer to the Royal family (and many other archivements) also know as a Quaker and a Christian Philanthropist
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Okay newcomers, who would like to guess this one?
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Now the whole picture for you, so 'where' is this Fountain?
And what is the most recent "Vandalism" Story (there is a twist).
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Final clue : Coastal 'Bay' location....
You have the answer already!
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Come on Members don't be shy.
We don't bite,its all fun and you learn a lot about whereabouts of landmarks and places in Kent. There must be at least one of the 251 members that havent had a go yet.
We are not an exclusive club we would love more members to join in . It gets monotonous when there are only half a dozen of us playing.
Please,Please , Join in.You will be welcomed by us all.
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Wear is this Bay????
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Come on Members don't be shy.
We don't bite,its all fun and you learn a lot about whereabouts of landmarks and places in Kent. There must be at least one of the 251 members that havent had a go yet.
We are not an exclusive club we would love more members to join in . It gets monotonous when there are only half a dozen of us playing.
Please,Please , Join in.You will be welcomed by us all.
I would love to but after a 50 year absence my mind grows dim.... :) But keep up the good work as I do still like to check what others are doing.
AlanTH.
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@Beachbum: Why aye canny lad, if it's the Wear you're gannin on aboot that'll be hard by Roker.
Attribution: Patrick Fleming / Roker Lighthouse
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I don't know where I stand regards being an occasional or frequent posting member, but I've not done so many recently. Because of this, I'll have a go at the Sidney Cooper Weston drinking fountain at the junction of Wear Bay Crescent and Wear Bay Road, Folkestone?
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Slightly more seriously, thanks to CAT the location is:
- Nat Grid: TR2366036362
- Nearest Post Code: CT19 6AU
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°04'59"N,001°11'31"E or 51.082957,1.191985
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Well done CAT, you are spot on with the Sidney Cooper Weston Memorial Fountain.
Originally sited on the Leas Promenade in 1897, but moved to Wear Bay in 1920.
So a Local Pensioner+Historian (Robert Mouland) became frustrated with the decay of the Fountain, and started to paint it himself in 2020. The Council served him with an ASBO. After a Public outcry, the Council decided to work with him.
https://memorialdrinkingfountains.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sidney-cooper-weston-fountain/
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Many thanks Beachbum.
It's a fountain I remember from my own childhood wonderings around the Wear Bay Road area between the 'Sands' and the Warren. Nearly forgot about it until seeing your pic.
My offering is an East Kent village once on a main route, but now bypassed, not that the traffic isn't still an issue with more than the single car in my pic to contend with.
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I’ve seen this photo before, is it one of a pair or series?
Either way I’ll keep out for the moment.
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Drove through there many times in the 1980,s. Pass for now. :)
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My route to work for over twenty years so it wouldn't be a guess. Should be a good one for newcomers to have a go at.
Note to newcomers.
Take a guess - doesn't matter if you're wrong. The rest of us are wrong more times than right ;D.
If you are the first with a correct guess then enter a photo of your own for others to guess, This keeps the thread going. It's good fun and a great source of knowledge about Kent history.
Please don't make guesses if you don't have a photo of your own to add.
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I'm sure we've had this one before, the trees and the bridge look familiar. Doesn't help though, I can't remember where!
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I remember guessing this one before, so will pass.
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I'm almost sure its been on here before, possibly even myself whom posted it. As its on a former main route to the coast I'd thought it might assist others in having a go. Strange to think this was once one of the principal Kentish highways from at least the Roman period.
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Doesn't look like we're going to get any new participants. Very disappointing considering the number of forum members.
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I'm more than happy for any takers with this just to keep it going forwards.
Quick clue for those that don't already know this place: The name of the village is the same at a road feature seen in the pic, which despite still surviving has been encapsulated beneath a new one when the road was widened.
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Okay, for the sake of keeping this one alive, would the village name be Bridge by any chance?
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It is indeed the village of Bridge. The main route being the old A2, itself created along the Roman Watling Street between Dover and London, and beyond via Canterbury. The ‘bridge in question was built in the eighteenth century with a double arch and still survives beneath the widened roadway. How the village got its name has been suggested by a Roman bridge crossing the Nailbourne Stream, though this is unlikely as the stream was only shallow, and seasonal, which could easily be forded when wet.
Over to you stuartwaters
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Camera location:
- Nat Grid: TR182542 / TR1828054216
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 5LB
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'43"N,001°07'34"E or 51.24533,1.12612
BTW, has anyone else noted a change in the forum? When I click on the bullet list it displays the markdown code BBC (incorrectly) whereas not so long back it showed WYSIWYG.
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Thank you CAT, that was unexpected and has caught me on the hop somewhat. I've cropped this quite radically, but should be fairly straightforward.
Where is this magnificent plaque? For additional House Points, who was the subject of it and what became of him?
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For information, it's a common misperception that the Romans built Watling Street. Watling Street is the name of the ancient route from Dover to the Isle of Anglesey, now known as the A2 (the Dover to London stretch) and the A5 (the rest of it).
The route was already there when the Romans arrived, all they did was straighten it and pave it (and built bridges over rivers which were previously forded).
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Saw this some years ago when having a beer in the pub across the road.
Definitely of great interest to Stuart. Will pass on this one. :)
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It is over the door of the Rochester Corn Exchange near Northgate in Rochester High Street. This being so, the pub that Grandarog was sitting in whilst viewing the plaque must have been the Jolly Knight.
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Admiral Cloudesley Shovell is most famous for leading his fleet onto the rocks off the Isles of Scilly on 22 October 1707. It's a bit unfair, although the disaster was one of the worst in British naval history (1,400-2,000 dead, four ships lost), it was mainly due to inadequate charts and the longitude problem. Briefly, it is easy to find your latitude (N-S) because the height of the Sun by day and stars by night can be measured. Finding you longitude (E-W) is far harder and relied upon dead reckoning¹ and taking soundings. A good fix had been obtained the day before, thereafter the position was determined by measuring the ships' speed and noting the course steered. At that date there was a magnetic variation of 7°W, which in practice meant that the compass bearing of ENE was nearer NEbyE. Edmond Halley (he of the comet fame) had warned that the isles were charted 15 nm north of their true position. The final factor was the Rennell's Current which can run (it is highly variable) at 15nm per day northwards. So, to summarise: the navigators weren't sure exactly where they were, the Scilly Isles were 7 miles further south than charted, the ships were being pushed 15 miles per day north and were steering too far north in any case.
One positive which did come out of this was the passing of the Longitude Act seven years later which offered a prize for a suitable chronometer. If you know the time at Greenwich, and can note when local noon is, then you can calculate your E-W position.
¹Old naval adage: "dead reckoning makes dead sailors".
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Stewie got the location, so I guess it's over to you.
As far as Admiral Shovell was concerned, he was amongst those lost in the disaster MartinR described. He was a survivor of a previous disaster when the Great Storm of 1703 struck the fleet at anchor in the Downs. His flagship, HMS Association survived because Shovell ordered holes to be cut in the upper decks so that it could run into the bilges and be pumped out. Otherwise the ship would have capsized under the weight of water trapped on the upper decks. The ship was blown from off Deal to the coast of Jutland (Denmark) in a matter of hours.
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Shovell may have gone down with his ship, HMS Association and his body was washed ashore in Porthellick Cove. Alternatively he may have drowned in Porthellick Cove whilst attempting to land from a ship's boat (used as a lifeboat). Then again, he may have been alive (just) when he landed, but subsequently died. Finally he may have landed alive and been murdered by a local woman who stole his ring. Pick whichever one you prefer, no-one knows for certain.
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Thanks Stuartwalters, I tend only to compete those that I know and recognised this one straight away!
The next one for you, we took the grand children out for a day, so where was I when I photographed this fellow? For those who like bonus points he has a name as well!
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Lovely place to visit but extortionately expensive. Pass again on this one.
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Like Grandarog, I know this one, and the name. As I know it, it's hardly in the spirit of GuessTP if I go for it. :)
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Lovely place to visit but extortionately expensive. Pass again on this one.
It is a bit pricey for a visit here granderog, but you do get free readmission for a callender year!
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Whilst we were visiting, we amused ourselves in a maze as well
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Not far from where I was standing is an elaborate shell grotto.
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An Asian Sculpture carved from a Tree at Leeds Castle. I have never seen it and cannot find a name
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Well done Beachbum, the sculpture of ‘Aragon the Dragon’ is carved from the stump of an old Cedar tree at Leeds Castle. Over to you 🤓👍
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Thanks Stewie
So next one for you...........
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Railway water tank?
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Not Railway, otherwise correct JW
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Found it. What an amazing structure. I'll hold back for now. Others could have some fun finding it.
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Is it the water tower of Ramsgate water works?
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Copper Rivet distillery, Chatham?
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It is the Ramsgate Water Works at Southwood. Now converted to Residential Units.
https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/photos/item/IOE01/10576/36
So thanks to John Walker for holding back, Stewie has it
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Thanks Beachbum, I only took this one on as I have another picture to play. I took this picture again on an outing with the grandchildren so where was I when I took this?
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I'm fairly certain I know this location so will hold back for the moment.
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The exhibit is part of a 'temporary' collection available to view here in 2023.
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Maidstone Museum?
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Not Maidstone Beachbum but the town it’s in does have a large river passing through it. 🤓
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Chatham?
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Yes Martin R, Chatham it is. though I suppose the river doesn't actually flow through it more around it!
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Monsters of the Deep at Chatham Dockyard.
MartinR takes the credit for this one
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Close enough for me Beachbum, the photo was taken in No. 1 smithy in the Historic dockyard. The grandchildren enjoyed the exhibition as did I, in fact I was thinking of making a return visit with Mrs Stewie so that we could read all of the information there!
over to you Beachbum / MartinR.
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hmm, I simply thought: there's only one large river IN Kent, the Medway. So what decent sized towns are there: Maidstone (discounted), Rochester, Chatham, Gillingham and Sheerness. Well the Medway Towns are the larger group, middle-for-diddle it means Chatham somewhere! If Beachbum is keeping his head down and dodging this one, I have a look through my catalogue to try and puzzle you all tomorrow.
OK, try this one:
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That's a large image ;D The plaque looks like it says 1577 ?
Starter question: Hartlip area?
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1677 but not Hartlip
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Is it Listed ? Is it Medway area, if yes, East or West of Medway?
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Listed and in the Medway area, west of the actual river.
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Rochester/Strood area or out towards Upnor /Grain etc ?
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Nearer Strood.
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Found it ,will hold off for a while.Live in hope some new contestants will join in.
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I've now found it. That took some searching ;D If no takers then Grandarog should go for it if he has one ready.
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Give others until 20.00 on mon 17th, then I will take it if still not found by someone else. :)
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I hoped someone new would come up with the answer,but no never mind.It is Brickhouse farmhouse,at end of Stone Lane Frindsbury.
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Next One.
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Whitstable or Deal ?
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No its well inland. ME post code.
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Aylesford?
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Take a heading of roughly 105 to 110 degrees from Aylesford and keep looking.
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Bearsted area?
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Could it be The Plough Inn' at Stalisfield Green?
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Spot on Cat , Over to You for the next one. :) :)
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Many thanks grandarog. A pub I'd been to a few time in the past and well worth a visit. The food was outstanding then and looks as though its the same now.
Here is my next, Kent village famous for its name being shared with a large town up north. Sadly, as with many villages in the county, this one is blighted with traffic problems.
Might not take long this one as its a well travelled route through it.
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First a catch-up.
The Brickhouse Farmhouse is listed grade II https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1204311?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1204311?section=official-list-entry).
- Nat Grid: TQ 73287 71062
- Nearest Post Code: ME3 8DA
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'43"N,000°29'25"E or 51.41208,0.49039
I must confess I'd never heard of Stalisfield Green, nor did I realise ME spread so far east. Anyhow, here are the location detail:
- Nat Grid: TQ 95435 52941
- Nearest Post Code: ME13 0HY
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'32"N,000°47'55"E or 51.24216,0.79855
As regards the latest - I think the residents of Leeds, Yorkshire might be a bit miffed as having their fair city dismissed as a mere "large town". If you put your camera at:
- Nat Grid: TQ8239253210
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 1RN
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'56"N,000°36'43"E or 51.24889,0.61204
you'll see basically the same view.
Town indeed; walks off muttering in disgust at the ignorance of southerners ...
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Is it Leeds?
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Don't worry MartinR - northerners sometimes refer to Canterbury City as a small town in Kent. :D
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It is indeed the Kentish metropolis of Leeds, but this now creates a potential problem as MartinR inferred both Leeds (up that there north), but the Kent Leeds in his map referencing. This should lead to MartinR taking the next GTP, though Lutonman clearly mentioned 'Leeds', but which one was he referring to? I'm all confused now! :D.
I think MartinR should take the offering, unless he hasn't another pic ready then its over to Lutonman?
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I'm not sure where I saw this painting, but it is of a church in Kent. Which one?
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I'm okay with martinR taking it as his answer was just ahead of mine by a few seconds.
CAT, I said Leeds because that's all you asked for, its obviously Leeds in Kent as we are the KHF after all!
MartinR - No clue where the new one is though.
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Maidstone area?
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Not Maidstone
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Struggling with this one. How about north of the A2 between Rainham and Faversham?
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Go north from your original guess.
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Shorne?
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Much nearer.
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Lets try Cobham then
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Getting closer.
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Lets see if I can beat JohnWalker to it.
Reckon it is St Peter and Paul at Shorne. :)
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Keep trying, but it is neither Cobham or Shorne. Hint: the painting is of the church prior to the main body being rebuilt in 19C.
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Rochester?
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St Mildreds Church Nursted ?
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St Johns Higham?
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Sorry for the delay, I've been ringing for and attending a funeral today. Due to my medical condition and the associated drugs I've been a bit "out of it" for the last few hours.
Shoot999 - it is indeed somewhere in Rochester.
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St. Margaret's Church, Rainham?
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Or, St. Margaret's Church, Rochester?
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You've got it Beachbum.
The earliest, and only medieval, part of the building is the tower which was either constructed or restored in 1465....
The original parish was rural, stretching from the city walls of Rochester in the north to Borstal in the south. During the 18th and 19th centuries the City of Rochester expanded south into the parish. Expansion of Rochester to the north and west is blocked by the River Medway and to the east by Chatham. The medieval church became inadequate for the growing population and in 1823 rebuilding started. The new nave was complete the following year, the original chancel, tower and side chapels being retained. With the exception of the tower the medieval buildings were demolished a few years later and by 1840 the basic fabric of the present building was complete. A new east window was installed in 1872.
- from Wikipedia
Location info:
- Address: St Margaret's Street, Rochester
- Nat Grid: TQ 74023 68064
- Nearest Post Code: ME1 1UG
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'06"N,000°29'58"E or 51.38494,0.49949
Over to you.
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Thanks MartinR. Really interesting mix of Architecture of different time zones combined together.
This getting old stuff has it's challenges. Hope you're doing okay MartinR
So next one for you all........
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Got it. Sure this has been on here before .Maybe on the old Forum.
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I am fairly sure I know this one - somewhere I visited many years ago, but not sure why. I'll hold back for now.
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Famed for Tropical Gardens including Bananas
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My Childhood memories of this GTP include 2 wonderful Goldfish Ponds, Parakeets, Walls Ice cream wrapped in paper and then placed between 2 wafers (usually slopped down my front).
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Lullingstone "World Garden"?
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Not Lullingstone MartinR, go East
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Go East, but not by name?
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I was just about to kick in a long shot: Leeds? Would that be "east but not by name" because it's north?
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Not Leeds, but you are very close in your words. Continue East...
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Old Wives Lees?
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Not Old Wives Lees, continue East
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Eastry?
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You are getting close Lutonman.
The Original Grounds went to the Clifftops
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With Cliffs does that place it nearer to St Margaret's Bay?
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Go North North East Lutonman
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Northdown House and Park, Margate?
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Spot on CAT.
The grounds went to he Clifftops at Palm Bay before the the Current Palm Bay Housing Estate was built. The Isle of Thanet's Parakeets originated from the Park after the Council tried to cull them. History is covered by the following:-
https://www.facebook.com/thanethiddenhistory/posts/hidden-away-in-our-local-history-at-northdown-house-many-years-ago-in-the-1800s-/1704658959822393/
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Strange reading the attached link. One of my ancestors also did a quick exit at some point during the early Stuarts. After the Civil War it was safe for him to return, which is a great wind-up for Yanks: "of course one of my ancestors emigrated FROM America before the colonies revolted"! What's also weird is that my maternal grandmother was one Eleanor Tomlin!!!
- Nat Grid: TR 37920 70173
- Nearest Post Code: CT9 3TP
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'51"N,001°25'04"E or 51.38071,1.41764
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Many thanks Beachbum, I always wondered where the parakeet came from. I knew it was from the grounds of a house on Thanet, just didn't know it was this one. Certainly the parakeets have made their mark in Kent with me personally seeing them near Ightham and Tonbridge recently.
Here is my next offering, which is also a moderate country house with a literary connection, but where.....?
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Quick clue
This image of the house has a clear 'air' of serenity, but the gardens can get busy.
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Will have to hold back on this one too as I have been there on a number of occasions. Would hardly be a guess if I went for it. :)
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Really is quiet, though I guess it is the bank holiday and the weather not too bad considering.
Though not well furnished with country houses in East Kent, this could be regarded as one of the better ones.
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My son lost his brand new frisbee in a tree in the meadow there. Just thought I'd share that with you all - won't help you though :D
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After a weekend of Motorsport Volunteering, I have now had a good look at this. So is this Goodnestone Park?
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Well done Beachbum, it is indeed Goodnestone House and Park. Worth looking out for John Walker's son's frisbee if your there as I feel it made quite an impact on them both ;).
the literary connection being with Jane Austen whom had visited the house on several occasions as well as other properties in the area.
Over to you Beachbum
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Thanks CAT, must go there one day and find that Frisbee.
Next one for you:
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Military or Civilian ??
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Looks military. Gun emplacement recently exposed maybe?
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Near St Margarets Bay?
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Is this Wanstone?
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Yes it is Wanstone Battery Lutonman (John Walker was also in the right Area).
So this is "Jane" that has recently been uncovered. Nearby "Clem" is scheduled for July 2024.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/kent/the-white-cliffs-of-dover/wanstone-battery---a-brief-history
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Thanks Beachbum,
Managed it with a quick google search.
This next one is an extract of very old picture I posted on the old Forum. If you know my history that should be enough of a clue to get you started.
Place has long gone, so not on GSV.
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Papermill in the Medway area?
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Water pumping station?
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Not a papermill or pumping station, but Medway is the right area John Walker
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Goodnestone House:
- Nat Grid: TR 25334 54329
- Nearest Post Code: CT3 1PL
- Co-ords(WGS84): 51°14'37"N,001°13'38"E or 51.243606,1.227092
As near as I can judge, the location of Wanstone is at:
- Nat Grid: TR3521942800
- Nearest Post Code: CT15 6HY
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°08'10"N,001°21'39"E or 51.13613,1.36092
BUT: the National Trust doesn't give an address or co-ordinates, the site is not listed or scheduled according to Historic England, and the Satellite view from Google Maps is indistinct.
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Is it the old tram depot in Luton village, Chatham?
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Hi Stewie, near enough, its the power station for the tram depot.
The full picture which I posted in the old Forum is now attached.
Found a little bit of history here https://webapps.kent.gov.uk/KCC.ExploringKentsPast.Web.Sites.Public/SingleResult.aspx?uid=MKE15281
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Location:
- Grid reference¹: TQ 7724 6655
- Nearest Post Code: ME5 7LS
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'13"N,000°32'43"E or 51.37039,0.54534
¹Taken from KCC "Exploring Kent's Past" link provided by Lutonman below.
The location is at the first bend of the road known as "Tramways", a pretty good confirmation of its past!
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Thanks Lutonman, being a resident of Chatham all my life I quickly knew that one. Which gives me the problem of something to respond with. Churches seem to be popular on GTP so Mrs Stewie and myself went for a walk last year and saw this fine example in a typical English landscape, but where were we?
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Romney Marsh area somewhere?
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It does look that way Stuartwaters but those are not Romney lambs, far from it.
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I haven't found it yet but I have to say - What a cracking photo Stewie. :)
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I have to strong a connection to this Church so it wouldn't be fair to take it.Keep guessing folks ,Good Luck :)
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Too close to home, no guessing required, so pass on this.
(This in itself may be a clue to some of our regulars)
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North of the A2 ?
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I haven't found it yet but I have to say - What a cracking photo Stewie. :)
Thank you for the compliment Johnwalker, the photo was taken in early spring and the lambs had just been put out with their mothers, when it is guessed I have an additional picture associated with the church to share! The Church is indeed north of the A2, our walk was a circular one out and back from a railway station.
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We have two 'guessers' waiting in the wings so to help this along: During the course of our walk we found ourselves up a creek and without a paddle!
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St Mary's Church in Teynham ?
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As I said I had a strong connection with St Marys Church Teynham .
Tina and Me were married there 60 years ago on 29th Sept 1962. Had our Diamond Wedding card from King Charles III and Camilla last year.
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As I said I had a strong connection with St Marys Church Teynham .
Tina and Me were married there 60 years ago on 29th Sept 1962. Had our Diamond Wedding card from King Charles III and Camilla last year.
Congratulations on your Diamond Wedding Grandarog and Tina. No mean feat in this day and age. :)
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Well done johnwalker it is indeed St Mary's church in Teynham. We were doing a circular walk from Teynham railway station to Conyer Creek last March and passed the church on the way. Unfortunately it was closed on the day of our visit but we liked an interesting sign in the Lychgate which read:
"Please could you fill my
bowls with food + water
Many thanks
The church cat
XXX"
see attached picture, we duly filled the bowls and moved on!
Over to you Johnwalker :)
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The building is grade I listed. Official listing: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1069254?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1069254?section=official-list-entry) Church history: http://www.teynham.org.uk/sm_tour.html (http://www.teynham.org.uk/sm_tour.html)
Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 96613 63633¹ or TQ 96614 63631²
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 9ET
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°20'16"N,000°49'17"E or 51.33778,0.82129
¹From map. ²From English Heritage listing.
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Thank you, Stewie (and MartinR for the co-ordinates.)
Next one. Taken during a day out with my late Dad. We went to Leeds Castle, The Pentagon Centre, The Riverfront near the dockyard, and then headed home down the A2 calling in places on the way.
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A quick guess, Faversham?
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A quick guess, Faversham?
That was quick JohnFilmer. Yes, it's TID 164 which was moored at Faversham Creek at that time. Its currently moored alongside Chatham Historic Dockyard near the Ropery. The tug has had quite a chequered career.
http://www.tid164preservationtrust.co.uk/ (http://www.tid164preservationtrust.co.uk/)
Over to you ...
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Totally wrong footed, I just thought to get things going. I’ll be back when I’ve sorted out something suitable.
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Totally wrong footed, I just thought to get things going. I’ll be back when I’ve sorted out something suitable.
Oh dear :) Once you guessed Faversham, it could only have been the creek. Hope you find a real stinker ;D.
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Sorry about the delay, my wife was Zooming this morning so I had to wait to use the laptop, as I cannot use my iPad in the same way.
A bit of OS map with a village, complete with school, pubs, church and smithy. But where?
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Rural?
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Still a small village then (1906 survey, pub 1909), but rapidly growing as were many others. We would call it rural then, but not today.
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Rainham?
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Well done Stewie, it is Rainham. The signs of change from rural village include the tram lines that reached to the top of Station Road outside The Cricketers pub, clearly seen on this map. Part of the tram route from The Star/Barnsole Road ran parallel to the A2, which is why there still is housing set back along those parts that survived. It sort of snaked out into the A2 at the top of Berengrave Lane.
The blacksmith forge was still working when I grew up in Maidstone Road in the fifties.
Over to you…
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Thank you Johnfilmer, It was the rails in the road that made me think of Rainham and then the church and two public houses just fell into place.
Thank you for your description of the tram route parallel with the A2. The route from Gillingham was a single line with passing loops and coming from the railway industry, I often thought about how this worked without a formal signalling system. Presumably it was done on 'line of sight' so the tram would proceed to the next passing loop if the driver observed the line was clear.
Anyway away from trams, I took the attached picture some time ago but I expect the view remains much the same. So where was I when I took this photo.
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Is it inside a folly, or other grand edifice in a garden or park?
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Does this face a long rectangular pond ?
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johnfilmer, not a folly but it is part of a grand edifice though not strictly in a garden or park.
Johnwalker, this does not face a rectangular pond.
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You were standing at the western end of the northern shelter at the Chatham Naval Memorial, Great Lines, Gillingham. It is a grade I listed building in the care of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
- Nat Grid: TQ762680 / TQ7628168025
- Nearest Post Code: ME4 4NA
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'02"N, 000°31'55"E or 51.383896,0.531891
Official listing and map: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1267787?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1267787?section=official-list-entry)
War Memorials Online: https://www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/memorial/93080/ (https://www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/memorial/93080/)
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Bravo Martin R, my next clues were going to be it has a military connection and also a KHF one as the day I was there (in 2010) we were on an organised walk around Brompton. I believe that it was this shelter which had some of the lead removed from the roof a few years ago?
Over to you :)
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Right, here's the next one. No marks for spotting or identifying the water. What I need to know is where the foreground structure is.
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Looks like a winch for bringing a boat ashore ?
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Saint Mary's Island, Chatham?
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I'd a feeling that that one would either go immediately, or make people think. Well done Beachbum, it is indeed on St. Mary's and represents council extreme short-sightedness. Why ban people from using the slip? There are very few places to launch small boats on the Medway,¹ it always seems as though Medway council want to ignore the River Medway!
- Nat Grid: TQ773705 / TQ7736570598
- Nearest Post Code: ME4 3JL
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'24"N,000°32'55"E or 51.40667,0.54874
¹There's only Commodore's Hard in Gillingham on the tidal Medway itself, all others are either private or restricted/charged (Short's Reach, Gillingham Pier). Other than Gillingham the nearest public slips are Quennborough (on the Swale) or Barton's Point (on the Thames Estuary). Very poor.
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Known as 10 Ton Slip. Small vessels/barges/harbour launches would come in on a rising tide and rest in a cradle (now removed) to be winched up for a clean and other small jobs. Took me straight back to the 60s where the younger lads from the tug crews would meet up to play football, fish or just chill out.
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Thanks MartinR, a very detailed photograph. shoot999 has answered my next question, thanks.
The next one has a unusual feature removed, what is missing from the original structure?
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is it a water tank?
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Not a Water Tank Stewie
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Old pumping station?
It is certainly a substantial structure, and I also went for water tank at first glance.
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a very detailed photograph.
FYI: Canon EOS 4000D camera with a Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 III lens zoomed out to 18mm (APS-C, equivalent to 28.3mm). ISO 100, 1/320s, f/8.0 The resulting JPG was passed through GIMP to crop the image (around 50%) and reduce the quality to 50% to keep the file size down.
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Maybe a pitched Roof. :)
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Looking at that substantial buttressing, is it designed to contain an explosion of some sort? A hydraulic accumulator, or gunpowder store comes to mind.
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Somewhere in Thanet?
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It is indeed an Old Pumping Station johnfilmer. Not in the Thanet Area, and not a pitched roof.
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Beside a well known River..........
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The Buttresses appear to be part of the design influence (overseas) and in keeping with the missing feature
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River: Medway?
Influence: Egyptian?
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You need to power a pumping station, so a chimney?
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Former pumping station at East Farleigh. Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ7345453552
- Nearest Post Code: ME16 9NB
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°15'17"N,000°29'03"E or 51.254751,0.484270
Here's an illustration of it with its missing "unusual feature", in reality a stack: https://s3.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/lbimg/101/263/788/101263788-135544-800.jpg (https://s3.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/lbimg/101/263/788/101263788-135544-800.jpg)
It's grade II listed, official listing here: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1263788?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1263788?section=official-list-entry) and a more detailed description here: https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/photos/item/IOE01/04236/26 (https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/photos/item/IOE01/04236/26)
A further Historic England entry adds the following:The waterworks was built in 1860 in an Egyptian style. It provided water to Maidstone which, in 1897, suffered one of the worst outbreaks of typhoid in the country. Polluted spring water entered the waterworks which failed to filter out the bacteria and the supply was not turned off soon enough. It was later used as a coachworks and joinery.
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You have it MartinR. So the Chimney was an Obelisk. The Maidstone Waterworks was built in 1860 and the Chimney removed around 1900
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I have spent many an hour lurking by this, waiting for the then manual crossing gates to open.
At one time a friend and his wife lived on an old Broads Cruiser moored just along from this, always interesting, building.
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Right, where's this fist and what is it holding?
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No idea where this carving is so far.
Is it a tool in the fist?
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In a sense, yes.
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Looks like a flint knife or blade.
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Remote Control for the mobility scooter? 😀😀
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Anything to do with animals - tannery etc.
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Well Stewie, you've got the flint blade (I think it's a scraper, but knife is close enough). Oi, Johnfilmer: leave my wheels out of this! :P
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Time for a hint: from this location you can see another county and a river.
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St Mary Hoo area?
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Must be a good half a dozen miles from there as a rather deranged crow might fly. Google Maps shows things in Napoleonic units unfortunately.
PS: I'll be away from my computer from Sunday to Monday evening, so you'd better get it quick or there will be a delay.
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Near the viewpoint at Cardiac Hill, Shorne Woods Country Park ?
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You beat me to it John Walker. :)
Stone-age Hand holding Flint Scraping Tool ,one of the Sculptures at Shorne Park .
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Right, I'm back from darkest Suffolk. John Walker has it. From the viewpoint you can see the Thames and across the river to Essex. You'll need binoculars though, or else a rather long lens.
Sculpture at:
- Nat Grid: TQ6781470493
- Nearest Post Code: DA12 4AD
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'31"N,000°24'41" or 51.4086318,0.4114996
Park entrance at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 68480 69908
- Nearest Post Code: DA12 3HX
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'11"N,000°25'15"E or 51.403179,0.420789
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Thanks MartinR. I hope you are recovered from your hospital trip. That one took some searching ;D
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Your good wishes are appreciated, but on this occasion misplaced. I had to take my son up to Mildenhall for an interview which was why I was away from the main machine. Having said which, that was the first night away (other than hospital trips) since before the pandemic. These drugs certainly mess you up, the only thing is that they keep the bloody cancer at bay and keep me above ground, so I'll keep taking them!
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Found it, but will hang fire
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Outskirts of large town.
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Saint Marys Church, Sevington?
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You have it StuartWaters :) , Over to you ...
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Well that had me totally confused. When Stuart gave it as "Saint Marys Church, Sevington" I looked it up, and clearly it wasn't. The spire and the body were quite wrong. Then when John confirmed it I went looking further. The church in the GTP is St. Mary the Virgin, Sevington Road, Willesborough. This is a grade II* listed building (number 1071042) and is quite unusual in having the bipartite spire. Listing details are at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071042?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071042?section=official-list-entry) and the location information is:
- Nat Grid (Listing): TR 02923 41529
- Nat Grid (Streetmap): TR 02924 41533
- Nearest Post Code: TN24 0YR
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°08'14"N,000°53'57"E or 51.13710,0.89926
However, and this is the confusing bit, around half a mile to the south-east is St Mary's, Sevington. Same name (nearly) and very close goegraphically. This one is much plainer in plan and doesn't have the bipartite spire. It is , however, grade I (1233902) and less "improved" from the original. Listing at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1233902?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1233902?section=official-list-entry). Location:
- Nat Grid (listing): TR 03705 40875
- Nat Grid (Streetmap): TR 03705 40877
- Nearest Post Code: TN24 0TP
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°07'51"N,000°54'36"E or 51.13093,0.91003
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FYI
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Thank you John, though technically, it seems I didn't get it right. For the sake of avoiding confusion though and it might seem unsporting, I'm going to take the turn.
Where is, or was (because the photo is a few years old now) this unusual art work?
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I was away from home when I saw your reply and it looked close enough and I didn't want to be pedantic :) .
I didn't know there were two St Marys so close together.
Now to try and find your current GTP. :)
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Starter guess. Sutton Valence area?
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Starter guess. Suttin Valence area?
Nope, further north-ish....
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Maidstone?
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North-East of Maidstone.....
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Time for a clue methinks......
The small port located near here gave a very famous British sailor his first experience of the sea......
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Holy Trinity Church, Murston ?
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Holy Trinity Church, Murston ?
Nope....
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Bobbing?
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Bobbing?
Go west Martin
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As far as the Medway Towns?
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Gillingham, as in “proper “ Gillingham, Gads Hill, Grange Road area?
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Swale Council area.....
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Drake the seafarer?
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Drake the seafarer?
Yes, a Devon man who learned his trade on the River Medway.
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Holy Trinity Church, Queenborough?
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Holy Trinity Church, Queenborough?
Nope. Another clue tomorrow if nobody's got it by then. Shoot99 was on the right track.
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Upchurch: St Mary the Virgin looks possible. It's in Swale, it's to the west of Bobbing and it has (in part) the right type of wall. Unfortunately GSV is no help.
Looking up Francis Drake¹ in Wikipedia states that his father moved from Devon to Upnor where he eventually became the Vicar. There is a couple of problems here though: (1) the Upnors were part of the parish of Frindsbury until a new church was built in Lower Upnor in 1884 and (2) Upnor is in Medway, not Swale! However Upchurch² in WP states that "The settlement of Otterham Quay lies a mile west of the village at the head of Otterham Creek. This small port gave young Francis Drake his first experience of the sea". Another article on the Rainham history website proved far more details.³ It appears that Edmund (Francis' father) was vicar of Upchurch 1560-1567.
Location of church:
- Nat Grid: TQ 84374 67497
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 7AJ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'36"N, 000°38'52"E or 51.37658,0.64779
Corner of Horsham Lane and The Street
¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake)
²https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upchurch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upchurch)
³http://www.rainham-history.co.uk/articleslist/20-the-real-edmund-drake-vicar-of-upchurch-1560-1567 (http://www.rainham-history.co.uk/articleslist/20-the-real-edmund-drake-vicar-of-upchurch-1560-1567)
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MartinR, you are a genius! The artwork was indeed in the churchyard of the church of St Mary the Virgin in Upchurch. It is or was (I don't know because I haven't visited since I took the picture) behind the church so GSV wouldn't have been any help anyway.
And there was I thinking I was being cryptic with my clues so far. Further clues would have been that the village stands on an ancient road, so ancient in fact that it pre-dates British history. Also that there was a Roman settlement on the site and that a famous pottery was located in the village.
Over to you.....
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Thank you for the complement. :)
I have what passes for me as a busy day tomorrow so it will be tomorrow evening before I have anything to post. I'll endeavour to be as cryptic as possible!
By the way, did you note that the spire is another bipartite spire? A neat link to the previous GTP.
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Yes, I did know that but seeing as that kind of spire is quite rare,I wanted to avoid any reference to it.
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Stu's GTP had me completely fooled having known Upchurch for over 25 years and lived here for the last
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To throw the cat among the pigeons. i have done a lot of renovations and repairs to the Graves here and am very familiar with the Churchyard.
There is no background view from any where in the churchyard (old or new part) that match's the picture. Certainly not with gravestones against a wall. The only wall with similar brickwork is flat topped and is tight to the wall of the Crown Pub, which has a brick out building, that would be in the left of the picture but isn't. I can be pretty sure the photo was not taken in St Mary's at Upchurch. I have spoken with a couple of longer term residents and they do not recall a tree trunk cut into a seat either. Hopefully the GTP can be resolved :)
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Stu's GTP had me completely fooled having known Upchurch for over 25 years and lived here for the last
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To throw the cat among the pigeons. i have done a lot of renovations and repairs to the Graves here and am very familiar with the Churchyard.
There is no background view from any where in the churchyard (old or new part) that match's the picture. Certainly not with gravestones against a wall. The only wall with similar brickwork is flat topped and is tight to the wall of the Crown Pub, which has a brick out building, that would be in the left of the picture but isn't. I can be pretty sure the photo was not taken in St Mary's at Upchurch. I have spoken with a couple of longer term residents and they do not recall a tree trunk cut into a seat either. Hopefully the GTP can be resolved :)
Maybe a trip down the lane to St Margaret's of Antioch Church at Lower Halstow to match up the background?
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A more recent view - only found it due to shoot999's post.
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Ah, so I didn't get it, but then I was only following Stuart's clues. :P
Is Shoot99 correct? Where did you get the photo John? Presumably it's now over to Shoot99.
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Thanks for your Photo JohnWalker.
It is always worrying when you know you are right to dispute something but don't have the answer to clear up the problem .
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Ah, so I didn't get it, but then I was only following Stuart's clues. :P
Is Shoot99 correct? Where did you get the photo John? Presumably it's now over to Shoot99.
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Happy for you to have it Martin as you followed the clues and played the game. Mine was merely a suggestion to grandarog of where to look as the other church is just down the road.
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Ah, so I didn't get it, but then I was only following Stuart's clues. :P
Is Shoot99 correct? Where did you get the photo John? Presumably it's now over to Shoot99.
I put St Margaret's of Antioch Church in Google Images and the photo came up with the correct title of the church which confirmed shoot999's guess. :)
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Okay, it's time to hold my hand up and admit a mistake. Shoot99 and Grandarog are right and in the spirit of absolute fairness, it really should be Shoot999's turn. If he's happy to let MartinR have it, then that's fine with me. I can only offer my sincere apologies to MartinR and to the rest of the players.
In mitigation, I did take the photo more than ten years ago and for some reason, managed to convince myself that it was in the grounds of the church in Upchurch. Looking through all my photos, I can see that I did take a bunch of photos around the church in Lower Halstow, the intention being to upload them to my PC and have a play with some photoshop-like software I had acquired.
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Okay, it's time to hold my hand up and admit a mistake. Shoot99 and Grandarog are right and in the spirit of absolute fairness, it really should be Shoot999's turn. If he's happy to let MartinR have it, then that's fine with me. I can only offer my sincere apologies to MartinR and to the rest of the players.
In mitigation, I did take the photo more than ten years ago and for some reason, managed to convince myself that it was in the grounds of the church in Upchurch. Looking through all my photos, I can see that I did take a bunch of photos around the church in Lower Halstow, the intention being to upload them to my PC and have a play with some photoshop-like software I had acquired.
Easy done StuartWaters :D . It made the GTP more interesting. I'd never have found this one even if you had got the right church.
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OK, here is an easy one to restart the ball rolling. Where are these wind turbines, and where was I sat?
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Photo taken from somewhere near Briele Way taken across Peel Port Turbines with the Thames Fort and Essex in the background.
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Close-ish but not quite there.
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Were you sitting on a boat in the Thames looking toward Sheerness/Queenborough?
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Not in a boat, but very nearly there.
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From the end of Southend Pier ? (with a very long lens)
Trying to work out the angle that puts the fort to the right of the turbines.
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Near enough John, sat on the seafront in Southend looking across the Thames. ISO 100, f/5.0, 210mm with APS_C cropping = 336mm, further cropped in post-processing. Over to you John.
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Thanks MartinR
That one was fun. I reckon you were near the Premiere Inn when you took that?
Next one up soon.
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I have a camera with a long lens - or rather, my wife does. A Nikon D80 digital camera. She doesn't use it, so I'm thinking I might as well. Need to invest in a tripod for it though. I'm also thinking of buying a drone.
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Watch out with drones. The law has been tightened up significantly and for all but the smallest drones you will need a licence. Even for the small ones, if they have a camera they need licensing. See https://www.caa.co.uk/drones/rules-and-categories-of-drone-flying/introduction-to-drone-flying-and-the-uk-rules/ (https://www.caa.co.uk/drones/rules-and-categories-of-drone-flying/introduction-to-drone-flying-and-the-uk-rules/)
Nice camera. I've recently upgraded from a Canon EOS 4000D to an EOS 7D Mk II. It's still and APS-C camera, so my glass still works! Remember that for hand-held the shutter speed should be faster that the reciprocal of the focal length; for 40mm that means 1/400s maximum, better to be a bit quicker. Hence the need for tripods in all but the most brilliant sunshine.
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My next GTP.
Where is this and where do the stairs lead to?
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Ecclesiastical?
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Ecclesiastical?
Not Ecclesiastical. In a town. Can be seen on GSV.
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Time for a clue. This town has three railway stations.
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Maidstone East, West and Barracks?
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Maidstone East, West and Barracks?
Good try MartinR, but not Maidstone.
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Folkstone west, central and Eurotunnel?
A few with two stations:
Tonbridge BR & Tonbridge MES
Canterbury east & west
Tenterden: BR & KESR
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Folkstone west, central and Eurotunnel?
A few with two stations:
Tonbridge BR & Tonbridge MES
Canterbury east & west
Tenterden: BR & KESR
Not those either = not many left. :)
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Tunbridge Wells: High Brooms (bit iffy, not really TW), Tunbridge Wells and Spa Valley Railway?
Hastings: West St Leonards, St Leonards Warrior Square and Hasting?
Sevenoaks: Central, Bat & Ball and Dunton Green (also a bit iffy)?
Other than those I'm fresh out of towns.
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Tunbridge Wells it is 🙂
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In that case I assume it will be in the Pantiles, leading to the houses above the shops? I'll virtually explore there later when I've a bit of time to waste!
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Your thinking is spot on but not the Pantiles.
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The Opera House at Tunbridge Wells (Weatherspoons) ?
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One of two Doors
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Not the Opera House but not too far away.
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On Monsoon Road, opposite Monsoon Way?
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You have it JohnFilmer.
I've walked past the stairway numerous times and never noticed it until recently. In fact, there are another two further down the road.
As MartinR previously suggested - the stairway allowed access to the homes above the shops (but not at the Pantiles). I presume there are other access routes to enable furniture etc to be taken in and out of the homes.
Over to you ...
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Apologies, but needed, as ever, to get to the laptop to deal with photos, and now we have an unexpected visitor about to arrive, so I've quickly grabbed an old family pic - but where was it taken?
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A few seriously historic buildings not far away.
An important landmark was just out of shot, later removed - photo taken 1939.
The distinctive windows of the building far left can be seen on GSV.
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Coastal?
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Not my defintion of coastal, but not far from tidal water.
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Gravesend area?
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Go east (ish) JW
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East from Gravesend, tidal but not coastal, seriously historic; are we in Rochester?
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Correct MartinR, but where in Rochester?
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Sat in almost the same spot last year whilst my granddaughters went off exploring. So I'll pass on this one.
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Castle grounds looking to Castle Hill?
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You have it Lutonman. Rochester Castle Gardens, the distinctive windows are on Castle Hill.
I understand that the WW1 tank was positioned nearby.
Shoot999, the photo is of my late sister then aged 2 with our maternal grandmother. Times don’t change all that much!
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John Filmer .You are correct the WW1 Tank No. 58 was gifted to Rochester and sited on a plinth just behind the spot where your folks were picnicking.You can see it in the background of your photo. It was scrapped as part of the metal reclaiming drive in early days of WW2. The only surviving memorial tank is the one at Ashford.
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Thanks JohnFilmer, I happened to drive by it today!
I'll post the next one soon.
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Next one is probably easy for those in the know. On the wall of a house.
In Eastern half of Kent
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I know this one so it wouldn't be a guess. Will hold back.
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I have no idea, but quaint, east Kent, let’s try Sandwich?
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Come back West JohnFilmer
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At last I got one Don Jon House Canterbury I like to sit in the park nearby
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Well done Bill Jones.Beat me to it. Was the Bell Ale House prior to 1868.
http://dover-kent.com/Pubs/Bell-Canterbury.html
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Well done Bill Jones, over to you.
Once again a clue on a Canterbury treasure trail.
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I'd never have got that in a month of Sundays, I was looking for something aristocratic with the heraldry! Anyhow thanks to the link from Grandarog I have the location:
- Address: 12 Worthgate Place
- Nat Grid: TR 14615 57383
- Nearest Post Code: CT1 2PT
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°16'31"N,001°04'32"E or 51.27516,1.07559
Grade II listed. Listing at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1258230?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1258230?section=official-list-entry)
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I will let someone else do the next one because I do not have any interesting pictures unfortunately. Maybe I will start taking some in case I get another one right in the next year or two lol
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I will let someone else do the next one because I do not have any interesting pictures unfortunately. Maybe I will start taking some in case I get another one right in the next year or two lol
I have one ready if OK with you Lutonman
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Go for it John Walker that's fine with me.
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Next one folks.
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Eastbridge Hospital of St Thomas the Martyr, Canterbury. Details:
- Address: 25-26 high Street
- Nat Grid: TR 14785 57921
- Nearest Post Code: CT1 2BD
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°16'47"N,001°04'42"E or 51.27984,1.07834
- Grade: I
- Official listing: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1085030?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1085030?section=official-list-entry)
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That was quick MartinR :D
Over to you.
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The next one is inspired by "Lord of the Rings". It looks like Bag End, Hobbiton, The Shire but is actually in Kent. Where though is up to you!
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Dover Castle ?
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Not Dover, but a fortification.
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Fort Luton?
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Not Fort Luton, but you are closer than John, both geographically and in time.
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Time for a clue: SW from Fort Luton.
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Fort Horstead?
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Yes, that's the place. Photo was obtained by poking a camera through the fence which is why there is a dark horizontal line to the right of the photo. Over to you Lutonman
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Thanks MartinR, here is another to guess. Where will you find this one?
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Yep, got it, got a photo of it, planned as a future GTP! So I'll pass on this one. :)
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No idea, so guess 1 Aylesford
Guess 2 Rochester
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Neither correct, but travel further east down the A2
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Sittingbourne ?
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I'le pass on this as well .(Far to posh for Sittingbourne.) Bit further East JohnWalker.
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Getting closer keep going east.
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Faversham?
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Photo
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You have it Beachbum.
It's in Market Place o/s Guildhall. Just about visible on Google because it's was Market Day when they filmed.
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Thanks Lutonman. Is it a Water Pump Fountain?
So next Building know longer exists, but is linked to a nearby Town and attraction?
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Yes, a water pump. There's a decent view on GSV https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.315968,0.8911489,3a,75y,91.42h,91.31t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMRFSQAvTsLwGQDbqRjdsO_xQFLcv1BHoFzkL7o!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMRFSQAvTsLwGQDbqRjdsO_xQFLcv1BHoFzkL7o%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya126.6616-ro-0-fo100!7i9000!8i4500!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.315968,0.8911489,3a,75y,91.42h,91.31t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMRFSQAvTsLwGQDbqRjdsO_xQFLcv1BHoFzkL7o!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMRFSQAvTsLwGQDbqRjdsO_xQFLcv1BHoFzkL7o%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya126.6616-ro-0-fo100!7i9000!8i4500!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
More photos on Historic England's page: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1116164?section=comments-and-photos (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1116164?section=comments-and-photos) and the official listing (grade II) at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1116164?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1116164?section=official-list-entry), though the listing is not particularly detailed. I won't bother with location information: slap in the centre of Faversham ought to be good enough!
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When I first saw your current GTP Beachbum, I was going to go straight in with the Carlton Cinema, Westgate on Sea. Very similar but you mentioned the building no longer exists.
Am I in the right area and possibly the same architect?
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Thanks for the info and images MartinR, a very detailed Water Pump.
John Walker, you are in right area. The Carlton Cinema was built in 1910 as a Town Hall by a unknown Architect.
The Building in this GTP is from an earlier date and linked to another in London.
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I have seen this postcard somewhere before.Might have been a post on the old forum about the statue on top. It's on the isle of Thanet ,think it was a Theatre at Ramsgate.
Confirmed after Googling Margate and Ramsgate theatres and cinemas .Found this.
George Sanger built Sanger’s Amphitheatre on this site in 1883. The architect was the borough surveyor, Albert Latham. It was a circus building but used also from its early years for opera and drama. In 1908 Frank Matcham carried out a major conversion to a theatre, known thereafter as the Royal Palace. Films were shown and in 1929 it was equipped for talking pictures, but it continued to be used for variety and stage plays until about 1950. It was demolished together with Sanger’s Hotel, adjoining, in 1960 and a supermarket was built on the site.
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Well done Grandarog. An interesting one Beachbum. I'm trying to work out the location without success. The nearest I can find is looking from Grundys Hill toward Waitrose but all the buildings are recent.
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I found an online description¹ which gives the address as 58, High Street. The GSV view down Hardres Street towards the High Street² has the correct gradients, and the building on the left looks to be part of the original terrace that included the amphitheatre. If so, then the original camera position was at:
- Nat Grid: TR 38202 65071
- Nearest Post Code: CT11 9AQ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°20'05"N,001°25'06"E or 51.334801,1.418273
¹https://database.theatrestrust.org.uk/resources/theatres/show/2180-royal-palace-theatr (https://database.theatrestrust.org.uk/resources/theatres/show/2180-royal-palace-theatr)
²https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3348027,1.4182927,3a,75y,225.16h,87.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su7LeAYnwpe7EkzhDk2MhaA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3348027,1.4182927,3a,75y,225.16h,87.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su7LeAYnwpe7EkzhDk2MhaA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
More links:
Acts performing: https://theatricalia.com/place/3dx/sangers-amphitheatre-ramsgate-kent (https://theatricalia.com/place/3dx/sangers-amphitheatre-ramsgate-kent)
Wikipedia article on Sanger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_George_Sanger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_George_Sanger)
More extended biography: https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/nfca/researchandarticles/sanger (https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/nfca/researchandarticles/sanger)
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Well done grandarog, you have it. Great information from MartinR.
The photo attached shows the Westminster Bank opposite Sangers location in the High Street. I remember it as Fine Fare Supermarket and until recent times, it was Argos.
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Thanks Beachbum,
Here's the next one courtesy of Googly Earth.
Get Guessing ,Good Luck
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Military/defence?
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Firework factory?
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Yes, Yes, but where is it?
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Wells Firework Factory, Dartford?
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No further East.
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Near the Oare gunpowder works?
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To far go west'ish again.
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Hoo Peninsular?
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No. You need to go South East from Centre of the peninsular roughly 30 k out into the countryside.
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I think that it’s at Kingsdown, near the junction of Kingsdown Road and Dully Lane.
Possibly an AA battery position originally.
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Johnfilmer you have it, over to you.
Kingsdown Light Anti Aircraft Battery. I believe 4 x 3.7 inch guns.
Google Earth image below from 1960 is how I remember it.
Some of us kids biked up there to watch the Army taking out the Guns around the Coronation time. It is now an industrial site of a Firework Factory.There were also 2 guns at the edge of Minching Wood by the road side facing East.They were still there for a few more years. I believe the Cubs or Scouts did a eat a meal in an unusual place Challenge in the underground Ammo Store there quite a few years ago. Dont know if it is still accessibly or has been filled in.
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Your vector clue was only a couple of miles short of going right over my house!
Then I kickstarted the brain cell and remembered that an acquaintance worked making fireworks around there. He is friends with someone there and did a couple of months between being made redundant after 20+yrs, and then rehired by the new owners. They are a bit busy now, they make military optical equipment.
I’ll get back to my lap top later on.
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Resurrecting a previous theme, this green post box suggestes that this was the Post Office. However, there is another post box in this village, not far away, outside what was clearly a shop in the past.
I will do some digging about, meantime, where are we?
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Doddington Area ?
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You are close JW.
I try and stick with places that I know, alternatively you may say that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree :)
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Newnham, next to the George Inn. I had something in the back of my mind that I'd seen it while searching for an earlier GTP, so took a guess at the Doddigton area.
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It is indeed Newnham, JW.
The George is presently closed as despite excellent food and well kept Sheps, the previous tenant couple were simply losing money in the present climate and chose to leave.
I had a look at some old OS maps on NLS and curiously an 1870s shows the Post Office further away from both the obvious sites. One of the old photos on the Dover pubs site, says undated but the boy and bike look the same as in another dated to 1905, and the green postbox is not there. Next time I must stop and read the royal cypher on both. Might get some strange looks 8)
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The fireworks factory is at Kingsdown, Sittingbourne and not at Kingsdown Walmer! Both have Kingsdown Roads associated with them. The location is:
- Nat Grid: TQ 92707 59319
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 0QX
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'01"N,000°45'47"E or 51.30037,0.76295
The house with the postbox is at:
- Address: 46 The Street, Newnham
- Nat Grid: TQ 95433 57670
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 0LL
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°17'05"N,000°48'04"E or 51.28463,0.80110
Using GSV the green postbox looks like EIIR I think the red post box outside number 49 is a late model, so will also be EIIR, but GSV is too indistinct to be sure. The fact the the one outside number 46 is green, and also has the slot blocked off may mean that it was bought as a private delivery box and installed by previous owners of the property.
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Thanks JohnFilmer for the info and MartinR for the coordinates.
Next one ....
(I don't think we've had this before)
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WW1
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Anything to do with the explosives industry around Faversham?
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Anything to do with the explosives industry around Faversham?
Not there - head east.
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Found it, I think… :)
If so, Mr Google reckons it to be WW2 from the caption.
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Having been the last one to set a clue before JW, I will keep my peace and let another find it.
A quick wizz around t’internet, and it was used in both WW1 & WW2.
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That was quick JohnFilmer - let's see how the others do.
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Very East Kent
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On the edge of tidal water
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Richborough?
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Found it
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Thanks Beachbum. The River Stour helped me locate it, I was looking at the coast last night. Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 32885 60198
- Nearest Post Code: CT13 9JW
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°17'36"N,001°20'20"E or 51.29326,1.33890
The structure is not on the Historic England map of listed buildings.
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Well done Beachbum. I never knew about this prison until I noticed during a previous search. Over to you.
Click on link for detailed photos and general info.
https://discover.re/uk-urban-exploration/abandoned-kent-wwii-prison-sandwich/ (https://discover.re/uk-urban-exploration/abandoned-kent-wwii-prison-sandwich/)
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Thanks John Walker and Martin R for the info.
I had searched the area, but had not gone that side of the River.
So next one : where and what is the Occasion?
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They look very young, so that means either (1) I'm getting very old or (2) it is a cadets' (ATC or CCF) parade at a school.
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Not a school MartinR
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Ready for a top brass visit. Monty, George or Winnie perhaps? 7
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National Service ending?
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I think I can see either the Queen or Princess Margaret in the background?
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Well spotted John Walker, it is indeed Pincess Margaret.
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Princess Margaret visited Ramsgate in 1950 and went to Ramsgate Hospital. The report says a guard of honour by the West Kents was there so I guess that was the occasion in the photo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wLdhJ04MaA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wLdhJ04MaA)
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Spot on John Walker.
Princess Margaret named a new Road on the Newington Housing Estate, which was built to replace all the Bombed out houses from WW2.
Over to you
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Thanks Beachbum. At first, I had no idea where to start. Then I spotted Princess Margaret in the background and went from there.
Next one ....
Where is this structure and what is it?
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Ramsgate Hospital took a little finding, it closed in 1986. However it is a Grade II listed building¹ and is visible on GSV, though the name is rather obscured by trees.² Its origin was the Seaman's Infirmary (1848-c.1884) located in the Carramore Hotel, West Cliff Road.³ The Seaman's Infirmary became the Seaman's Infirmary and General Hospital up until 1910. The new buildings were put up between 1907 and 1909 using the bequest of Mr John Nicholas, cost £15,500, and named the "Ramsgate General Hospital and Seaman's Institution". In 1948 the "and Seaman's Institution" was dropped. In 1974 it became the "Isle of Thanet District Hospital, Ramsgate Wing" and closed in 1986.
- Nat Grid: TR 37710 64579
- Nearest Post Code: CT11 9NR
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°19'50"N, 001°24'39"E or 51.3307,1.4108
The "Carramore Hotel" was another little mystery. It was built in the 1840s and paid for by public subscription at a cost of £1.396. It was a temporary measure, but lasted from 1848 until 1910 as mentioned above. It then became a girl's home and eventually a hotel. It is now The Grange Montessori Nursery.⁴ It is also listed Grade II.⁵ The address is 71West Cliff Rd, CT11 9LJ nearly opposite the later hospital.
¹ https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1262019?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1262019?section=official-list-entry)
² https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3309016,1.4108911,3a,59.1y,172.73h,89.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX-ovO15rsZUoepymdqHEBw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3309016,1.4108911,3a,59.1y,172.73h,89.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX-ovO15rsZUoepymdqHEBw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
³ https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=464 (https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=464)
⁴ https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3307076,1.4102373,3a,90y,334.71h,83.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spQngMOpf4F00AEHesvcMng!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3307076,1.4102373,3a,90y,334.71h,83.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spQngMOpf4F00AEHesvcMng!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
⁵ https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1281502?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1281502?section=official-list-entry)
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@John: Berlin? Before the Wall came down? ;)
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@John: Berlin? Before the Wall came down? ;)
Come west quite a way. ;D Despite it's looks - it's nothing ominous.
Water nearby.
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Great info on the hospital MartinR.
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Water nearby - sometimes about 30ft away and other times a couple of hundred feet away.
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Can easily be seen on GSV from a different angle.
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If the water varies between 30' and 200', then it is either: (1) tidal or (2) a reservoir. 200' or tidal range would indicate either Pegwell Bay or else the Medway/Swale system. A reservoir would be Bewl Water. I can't see anything similar at Bewl, so am I right in guessing tidal?
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Yes - tidal. 200ft is only a guess - it's not Pegwell Bay or the Medway/Swale system.
Best i can find is that currently the tide range between high and low tide is around 17ft in the area of my GTP.
Harbour not far away.
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Found it. That made me laugh as the foreground caught me out
Can anyone else find this?
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Ooo, that was sloppy of me. "200' of tidal range would indicate ..." should be "200' range of foreshore covered by tides would indicate ...".
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Not far from a busy entertainment centre and two rather large buildings which were built as hotels - one is now apartments and the other is part hotel and part apartments as I understand it.
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The Doors to ?
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The 'Monkey House' will put you close to the location
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Not really. The Monkey house is a restaurant near Hyde Park, London and a child's play area in Birkenhead! >:(
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It's also a local nickname given to the large conservatory on the front of a very posh hotel near my GTP :)
The King, Edward VII, became a frequent visitor, so much so that the locals would wander along in front of the building peering into the glasshouse to catch a glimpse of him. Apparently because he and his friends were heavily bearded, it became likened to looking at monkeys in a cage, hence the sobriquet Monkey House.
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Well putting "Edward VII" and "Monkey house" into DuckDuckGo I get the Grand Hotel, Folkstone. It looks though as if it has been rebuilt, there's no glasshouse! Still can't find your GTP though. Are those microwave dishes on it? If so should I be looking in the Harbour Arm or on the top of the hill?
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It's a rather strange 'Creative Folkestone' artwork close to the beach. Easily visible from the GSV route along the beach.
The glass house is still in place on the front of The Grand. Perhaps you are looking at the equally large Metropole Hotel next door?
Hope that helps.
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My brain hurts!
According to Google Maps searching for the "Grand Folkstone" goes to the "Folkstone Grand Burstin" on the Harbour Approach Road. The Metropole is some distance away on Metropole Rd E, with "Folkstone Art Works: Yoko Ono, Earth Peace" next door. However when I go into GSV it says "The Grand" on the front and I can see a glass veranda. I shall resume my search later today after a lie down in a darkened room.
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I've got to give to you MartinR. You don't give in easily :)
Move to the coastal path from the Grand and you will be very close.
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You are so close MartinR
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A beach hut! Not even listed.
- From GSV: 51.0736871,1.1681242
- Nat Grid: TR 22032 35259
- Nearest Post Code: CT20 2JP
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°04'25"N,001°10'05"E
Well you clearly had it first Beachbum, GSV shows the doors you put up.
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I spent ages cruising along the road above, convinced that it was a cctv mast or such…
As ever, easy when you know the answer ::)
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https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/hawksmoor-inspired-beach-hut-unwrapped-in-folkestone
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It's just shown on Google as Pablo Bronstein - Beach Hut
One of many art projects dotted around Folkestone. Some are very strange.
There's another one a bit further along the beach walk. The Ledge by Bill Woodrow
I think it's over to you Beachbum.
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Thanks John Walker, and MartinR for not giving up the search.
So your next one: What were these Buildings for? and where does the secret door go to?
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I think I've worked this one out and am fairly sure I know where the door led to. I'll hold back as I think others might have fun solving this one.
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Links to Royalty and Parliament Building....
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Found location ,no idea about the door so will pass on this one. :-\
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This photo is from 1870. Sea views also
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Part of a Spa complex
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South coast?
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East Kent
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The Complex had it's own Express Train and a special visitor......
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Ramsgate area?
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Ramsgate Area indeed
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What is the "Connection"?
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Sorry, forgot the attachment
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Would this be the Granville Hotel in Ramsgate? I only ask as the clue to the dedicated railway express service might be a reference to the 'Granville Express' running to Thanet by I think the South Eastern & Chatham Railway. This being the case, was the special visitor Queen Victoria?
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Well done Stewie, it is the Granville Hotel Complex in Ramsgate. The first photo shows the Holiday Villas on Marina Esplanade (below the Granville Hotel).
Built by Edward Welby Pugin (Son of Augustus Pugin). Queen Victoria was indeed a visitor here.
So whats the "Connection" from the Secret Door?
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Well done Stewie, it is the Granville Hotel Complex in Ramsgate. The first photo shows the Holiday Villas on Marina Esplanade (below the Granville Hotel).
Built by Edward Welby Pugin (Son of Augustus Pugin). Queen Victoria was indeed a visitor here.
So whats the "Connection" from the Secret Door?
Afraid I don't know that Beachbum, but hopefully I have helped others here, I just like trains!
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So the "Connection" is a Tunnel from the Hotel above, down to the Villas below. This came out of the wooden arched door onto the Esplanade.
This was adapted with another spur Tunnel into the main Railway Tunnel (behind the Villas) enabling Queen Victoria to alight from the train and walk through to the Granville Hotel in privacy.
Over to you Stewie...........
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An excellent GTP Beachbum. I wonder how much of the tunnel up to the Granville remains? I went on the very interesting Ramsgate Tunnels tour a while back. Highly recommended to those who haven't already visited.
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Thank you John Walker.
Unfortunately the Subway Tunnel was sealed off when the current Granville Theatre was built in 1947.
They excavated down from previous ground level wooden Pavillion, which was a temporary structure from 1908.
Needless to say the owner of the Granville Hotel was not amused. Others had covenants that forbid any structure obstructing their veiw and took the Council to Court for compensation. The covenants were set up by Lady Agusta in 1838.
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Thank you Beachbum, though I am intrigued by the 'spur' tunnel for Queen Victoria. Are you saying that the train would halt in the tunnel to allow the queen to alight? This sounds a bit fanciful given all the difficulties of alighting a railway carriage in the cramped confines of the tunnel. I will investigate further.
I was not expecting to get this opportunity to post a new one as I thought I may be helping someone else towards the ultimate answer. However I do have something which may be of interest. I recently took a balloon flight with Mrs Stewie and being up there looking down gives a wonderful new perspective of the countryside. We passed over this building which looked quite interesting (certainly from above). So where is this?
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Very unusual - hotel?
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Not a hotel JohnWalker but it is a multiple occupancy building.
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Wild guess but is it a prison? :)
AlanTH.
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Upmarket Care Home?
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Not a prison AlanTH (though some might disagree), JohnWalker is on the right lines (though cant comment on the upmarket, we only drifted over the top)!
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A kind of isolation unit ?
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JohnWalker relentlessly zeros in!
The home caters for physically frail people but also caters for dementia sufferers.
The place is just about viewable on GSV but (not surprisingly), shown on satellite view!
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Sevenoaks area?
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Not Sevenoaks JohnWalker, our balloon flight took off from a field near to Wadhurst.
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Were you flying over Bewel Water?
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That took some searching... Cornford House Care Home, Pembury ? TN2 4QS
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Yes well done JohnWalker, We took our balloon flight last month. We were due to fly from Hollingbourne but the pilot was worried that the prevailing wind would blow us over the river Medway so instead we were diverted to Wadhurst and came down about 7 miles later near Pembury not long after passing over this interesting looking building.
Martin R, we didi skirt around Bewl Water and it looked quite full.
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That balloon flight must have been amazing Stewie. I often see them around Canterbury drifting silently across the countryside. Silently until the burners fire of course.
While searching on Google Earth around the Wadhurst area and beyond, I was gobsmacked by the number of large private mansions in the area. There's money around the county but not in my pocket.
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I was trying to remember the wind direction and hence get a fix on the place. Well done John.
- Nat Grid: TQ 619 406
- Nearest Post Code: TN2 4QS
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°08'31"N,000°18'50"E or 51.14205,0.31375
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That balloon flight must have been amazing Stewie. I often see them around Canterbury drifting silently across the countryside. Silently until the burners fire of course.
While searching on Google Earth around the Wadhurst area and beyond, I was gobsmacked by the number of large private mansions in the area. There's money around the county but not in my pocket.
It was quite an experience JohnWalker. As part of the flight you get to help prepare the balloon before and pack away the balloon afterwards. The only noise is from the occasional bursts of the burner and the sound coming up from below. There is also no wind as you are traveling at the same speed. We got up to 2500 feet limited by the Gatwick flight path here but it was high enough for me! Our pilot pointed out some large buildings including ones owned by Johhny Depp and Rowan Atkinson. :)
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Following on from beachbum's Granville Hotel GTP and mention of a secret door and tunnel there is an interesting account about it here
https://thanetonline.blogspot.com/2014/02/granville-theatre-ramsgate-pictures.html
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A very interesting article DTT. I often wondered what that door was but guessed it had some connection with the theatre.
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Quote : During the height of its popularity in the late Victorian Era, the Granville Hotel had its own named destination on London trainlines to Ramsgate. It is thought there was a tunnel from the hotel down to the sands coming out in one of the properties on the seafront but was closed when the Granville Theatre was built.
Fact : In 1947 when they excavated down to build the current theatre, they capped off this Tunnel. The owner of the Granville Hotel was not amused. This Tunnel was used by the Army in WW2 to get to the beach level and back up to the Clifftop Gun Batteries.
It is believed that this Tunnel came out in the Bombed out and demolished area of the Hotel. No evidence has ever been found of it coming out in the gardens (Poldark Court).
Research continues........
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Letter of complaint regarding the Granville Tunnel 1947
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Some interesting info emerging.
I'm holding fire on putting my next GTP up so that it doesn't get lost in replies from the previous GTP. :)
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Map Carta shows quiet nicely where the railway tunnel alignment was relative to the hotel. I thought the tunnel entrance was in the performance garden of the hotel between Albion Rd and Victoria road. This the white area in photo two of the blog I referenced. Thus if it was used to access the railway line that location , i.e the garden or band area would be in better alignment with the tunnel.
DTT
Ps.
I have just found this YouTube video of the Granvile bar and cellars and tunnel. I think it is Sandgate
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vyJkdsGc98k&pp=ygUYR3JhbnZpbGxlIHRoZWF0cmUgdHVubmVs
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Not the Granville in Ramsgate.
The Map is wrong, I will sort out some more stuff tomorrow.
The photo is the Tunnel from the seafront
TBC
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I've just realised that the entrance to the tunnel at sea level can still be seen (photo). I wrongly assumed it had been lost. There is another tunnel entrance above this one in Marina Road. Are they connected and part of the same system?
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Yes John Walker, that top one is at the top of the stairs (in the image below) from the brick archway passage in the previous post.
The story was that they came out in the Granville Gardens, which lines up. The entrance was said to be along the side of Victoria Road. After a long search for a good image (Granville Gardens), there is nothing there? To put it at the back by Truro Road, makes no sense and I have processed the history of this plot from 1920-1970 with all sorts of uses.
45 years ago, a friend was caring for a former Police Sergeant in sandwich. He knew everything about the Tunnels. He said that it came out in the basement of the Granville Hotel. Best guess perhaps into the Ballroom (bombed out).
Nobody has actual proof of where it came out yet, so we all have an idea?
Final image is actual plan showing Tunnels and yellow marks for these two doors.
So until technology shows us more, we do not know (yet).
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Thanks, Beachbum - all very interesting. Tunnels always seem to hold a fascination.
Right, here goes with the next GTP.
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A shrine?
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A shrine?
As far as I can find, it's listed as a chapel rather than a shrine.
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RC?
I assume that the scene depicted is Luke 2:41-49
41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover.
42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast.
43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother did not know it;
44 but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances.
45 So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him.
46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers.
48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”
49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?”
It can't be the Presentation since Jesus was only 40 days old at that point, and although often represented as a small adult rather than a babe, no artist would show him walking in!
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I can tell you that it's not Jesus that is depicted here.
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Intriguing. Trying to think who the woman and child both with a halo could be in that case.
Elizabeth and John the Baptist?
A bit of googling finds another saintly mum and son duo in St Monica and St Augustine - any warmer?
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The child is female 🙂
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Ah. Stumped.
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Welcome Jackie Paper, :) our first new comer to Guess The Place in ages.Good luck searching and please stay with us.♥
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Hello, Jackie from me as well. I hope you enjoy 'Guess the Place' as much as we do. It's amazing how much of Kent's history we learn from Guess the Place.
I will add more clues until someone guesses it correctly and then they can add a photo of their own for us to guess.
Clue: The child with the Halo is the Daughter of the Saint who is also female. This chapel is named after the saint.
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Is the daughter also a saint? Generally only saints and the Holy Family are nimbate.
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I must admit that I'm not well up on the religious side of this but if I have read and understood correctly, the daughter was also a saint. Namewise, it appears to be quite complicated and varies depending on which religion. I'll be very interested to read replies from those of you with more knowledge on this subject once the location has been correctly guessed.
I'm better at answering questions about the place ie. chapel and the location.
Location Clue: Near two lots of water.
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Two possibilities that I've found:
- St. Anna and her daughter St. Mary (the mother of Jesus) at the temple gate.
- St Sophia and one of her daughters (Ss Faith, Hope and Charity) with an unidentified bishop.
I'm inclined towards the former since you mentioned "Namewise, it appears to be quite complicated and varies depending on which religion". In Islam she is Hannah and her daughter Maryam who was mother of Isa.
Right, really long shot based on (1) most of your GTPs are in the Canterbury/Thanet area; (2) I'm guessing the bodies of water could be the Thames estuary and the North Sea; (3) it looks rather RCish rather than Cof E or Free Church; (4) The only St. Anne's I can find is in Margate. So my guess is:
- Church: St Anne's RC.
- Address: Eastern Esplanade
- Nat Grid: TR 36974 71221
- Nearest Post Code: CT9 3AA
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'26"N,001°24'17"E or 51.390515,1.404772
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I've found another mother/daughter pair. St Bridget of Sweden (c. 1303 – 23 July 1373) was the mother of St Catherine of Sweden (c. 1332 – 24 March 1381). Mum founded the religious order of the Most Holy Saviour, or the Bridgettines with daughter taking over on her death. So - do I need to start searching for a St Bridget's or St Catherine's church?
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You are correct with Saint Anne and her daughter Mary who was the mother of Jesus.
Location wise you need to head West a way.
One of the waters is tidal.
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"One of the waters is tidal." is that "ONLY one of the waters is tidal"?
There's no church with tower bells dedicated to St. Anne in the whole of Kent.
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Yes - one is tidal and the other is static. It's a small chapel. There is at least one bell at this location that I've heard but not specifically on this chapel.
Location Clue: Over 700 years of history here.
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So far ...
- It's not the shrine of St Simon Stock at Aylesford (aka "The Friars")
- It's a small chapel [Query: is this because it's RC and therefore not a CofE parish church?]
- It's near two bodies of water, one tidal, one non-tidal
- It's not St Anne's Margate, lies to the west of there
- The GTP does show St. Anne with her daughter St Mary, but we don't know if this is the chapel's dedication
- There are one or more bells, but Love's Guide to the Church Bells of Kent doesn't list a St Anne's
- 700 years of history
... anything I've missed?
Hmm. Stumped. I'm off to the Kent Show.
Could it be Faversham area?
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Is this in a side chapel of church possibly dedicated to St Mary?
Two bodies of water, one tidal could be a dock, or defences such as around Sheerness at Barton’s Point?
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There's St Henry & St Elizabeth in The Broadway, Sheerness.
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So far ...
- It's not the shrine of St Simon Stock at Aylesford (aka "The Friars")
- It's a small chapel [Query: is this because it's RC and therefore not a CofE parish church?]
- It's near two bodies of water, one tidal, one non-tidal
- It's not St Anne's Margate, lies to the west of there
- The GTP does show St. Anne with her daughter St Mary, but we don't know if this is the chapel's dedication
- There are one or more bells, but Love's Guide to the Church Bells of Kent doesn't list a St Anne's
- 700 years of history
... anything I've missed?
Hmm. Stumped. I'm off to the Kent Show.
Could it be Faversham area?
You are so close with your first line MartinR :)
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St Peter & St Pauls, Aylesford? I know it's CofE, and I can't recall wall decorations from last time I was there, but it appears to be the only other PoW in Aylesford itself.
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MartinR - Correct village but it's not a church. There are other chapels close by.
You are so close with your earlier line It's not the shrine of St Simon Stock at Aylesford (aka "The Friars")
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Hasn't anyone else any ideas? I've exhausted GSV, Google and my memory and the only places of worship of any description I can find on either side of the river are teh shrine complex and the parish church. Does this chapel still exist? Is it obvious as a chapel, or is it part of a house/shop/pub that was once used as a chapel?
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It's a chapel adjoining a shrine.
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Martin, Google is your friend :)
I and probably others have held fire as you have been so close.
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There is a Peace Garden near this chapel. The word PEACE appears in many languages from around the world.
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Wait - when you said it was not a shrine were you referring to the main shrine at the Friars or the whole shrine complex? If the former then there's a St Anne's Chapel around the back of the open air main shrine, but it is part of the shrine complex.
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Yes - I was refering to the chapel as against the main shrine. I could only find reference to the chapel in it's own right.
Apologies MartinR if this misled you.
It is St Annes Chapel. Over to you.
My original photo depicts Anne and Mary going to the temple so Mary can be dedicated to
the service of God.
Tucked in the corner before you reach the Main Shrine, is the St Anne’s Chapel, memorable for its green walls and simplicity. The scraffito work and ceramics are all by Kossowski. Altar in St Anne's chapel , part of The Friars, Carmelite monastery in Aylesford, Kent. The whole chapel, including this altar, were decorated by artist and ceramicist, Adam Kossowski, part of his thanks for deliverance from the horrors of a Soviet labour camp.
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I've been a bit busy today. I'll look out a photo tomorrow.
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I think I may have put this one up in the old forum. Anyhow, it's obviously a bell, but a careful examination will reveal an unusual inscription cast into it. Bragging rights if you can locate it, but full prize only if you can explain the inscription.
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I've managed to track it down. Very interesting MartinR.
I'll hold back as I've only just had a GTP.
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Location and Explanation ready to post if the GTP drags on too long. :)
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Time for a clue: It took the Romans two days to cross the river near here.
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I know this and remember it from the old forum. I'll hold my peace because I don't have a photo to put up.
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One of the ten bells of Rochester Cathedral bell tower. The Dean and Chapter commissioned Gillett and Johnston of Croydon to recast the existing eight bells and to add two more in 1921. The recasting of this bell was funded by Captain Todd of USS Pitssburgh, thanking the dean for hospitality events during the two and a half months that Pittsburgh was in dry dock at Chatham (Chatham News 17 December 1920).
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Bang on Beachbum.
If you search the forum's archives I think you'll find "A Ship in the Belfry" that I wrote a few years ago. The Pittsburgh had run aground on rocks just off Libau, Latvia, and had punctured her double bottom in several places. HMS Dauntless stood by to assist and was the relieved by USS Frederick. The two American ships headed to Sheerness and eventually the Pittsburgh was brought up river to be dry-docked.
Over to you.
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Thanks MartinR, an intersting story from the past.
Next one: "Admirers?"
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I'm fairly sure I know this one so will hold back.
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I'm flat out of usable photos. Odd when you know the solution but can't understand the clue!
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Google is your friend..........
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That's some Drinks cooling system,Google isn't being friendly for me. :)
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I'm flat out of usable photos. Odd when you know the solution but can't understand the clue!
I'm with you MartingR - I'm not sure of the clue either. I look forward to the reveal ;D
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What does admirer mean in English?
An admirer is a fan, supporter, or lover (one of these applies)
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What does admirer mean in English?
An admirer is a fan, supporter, or lover (one of these applies)
Got it ;D
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Another clue time: "Spoil"
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With that clue, is it the extractor fans at the Samphire Hoe country park which presumably vent the Channel Tunnel?
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What does admirer mean in English?
An admirer is a fan, supporter, or lover (one of these applies)
Ah, I was wondering how "Admirers" linked to "heat exchangers"! Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 29592 39182
- Nearest Post Code: CT17 9FL
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°06'21"N,001°16'42"E or 51.10593,1.27833
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All about the Fans.
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2290702
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Well done Stewie, it is indeed Samphire Hoe Ventilation System.
This new part of Kent was created from the Spoil excavated from the digging of the the Channel Tunnel.
Over to you........
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Thanks Beachbum, it was the ‘spoil’ clue that prompted me to look at Samphire Hoe, though I had guessed that its purpose was to vent an underground network. I only replied because I took a picture last weekend, but as I’m way at the moment, I shall put it up tomorrow evening.
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The following one should not take too long to track down. We visited here last weekend for the first time. So where were we and for a bonus point what had we specifically came to see?
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Crab and Winkle Line?
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Not the Crab & Winkle line Beachbum
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Somewhere near Tyler Hill?
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Not really MartinR a good 50 minute walk perhaps
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Wildwood Trust to see the Bison Calf?
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Close enough Beachbum, we visited the Blean Woods nature reserve hoping to see the herd of European Bison which are roaming free here. Unfortunately after getting about a mile into the woods it absolutely poured with rain and we got very wet. We did not get to see the Bison but did come across a small herd of wild ponies sheltering under some trees. Over to you. :)
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Thanks Stewie. Bizzarre Thunderstorms today, but cooler than other parts of Europe.
Next 1970's
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Sorry, typo error "1870's"
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No idea on this one Beachbum, East Kent?
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Not East Kent John Walker, West Kent.
Hope you are all, Well ::)
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On the Salomons Estate near Speldhurst?
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You are very close John Walker, go North (not to far).
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Somewhere in Bidborough?
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"Well" 8) go further direct north from Speldhurst JW
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The two buildings are octagonal............
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7th Tonbridge Scouts HQ, Well Close, Leigh ?
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You have it John Walker, it's the former Waterworks in the High Street, Leigh.
A waterworks built in the 1870s. There are 2 octagonal buildings with octagonal cupolas. The smaller building contains the well, which is 103 feet deep. The longer one contained machinery for softening and filtering the water. A steam pump pumped water into the reservoir at Hall Place.
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Thanks, Beachbum. That took a bit of finding as it doesn't show very clearly on Google satellite. I doubt that I would have found it without your 'well' clue.
I'll put the next one up once the co-ordinates and any other posts have been put up.
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Oops, I'm being nagged! :P
- Nat Grid: TQ 54683 46309
- Nearest Post Code: TN11 8RS
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°11'42"N,000°12'45"E or 51.195069,0.212381
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Sorry MartinR - wasn't intending to nag ;D I like to wait until all posts relating to the previous GTP have finished then a fresh start.
So ....
What and where?
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Surely the entrance to a theatre, or perhaps a cinema.
(I wasn't upset, don't worry).
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Yes, the entrance to a multi-function building. The building still exists but not the entrance as shown in the photo.
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Has been a dance hall, cinema, Theatre. Many celebs have appeared here.
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East Kent?
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Kings Cinema at Ramsgate?
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East Kent, yes. Kings Cinema, no.
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Coastal?
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Yes - coastal
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A quite ornate bandstand used to be here as well.
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Broadstairs?
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Not Broadstairs.
This place has undergone various changes over the years but much of the original remains.
I DJ'd there in the late 60s / early 70s. The Nashville Teens were the band that night.
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Margate?
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Not Margate.
During the Napoleonic Wars, a gun position and military camp were at this site. (According to Wiki)
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Kings Hall, Herne Bay
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Well done Beachbum. It is indeed the King's Hall, Herne Bay. Quite an interesting history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Hall,_Herne_Bay
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Hall,_Herne_Bay)
Over to you.
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Amazing history to this Building that still exists, so many others are now derelict. Such a shame
Next one: What happened to this? (still exists)
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I've been in this one a few years back. I'll hold off for now.
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King's Hall location:
- Nat Grid: TR 18288 68475
- Nearest Post Code: CT6 5HU
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'24"N,001°08'06"E or 51.37335,1.13496
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Got it ,leave it for others to guess. :-X
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Originally, there were three in this Seaside Town. One defected.......
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Ah! It's not the one I first thought it was. The windows are different. I believe that this photo is of the now-demolished East Cliff lift?
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You have it John Walker. For bonus points, what happened when it was taken down?
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hint..
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Did the shaft etc get used in the later one in your photo?
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Please: which town is this cliff lift in? I've only found two, Ramsgate and Walpole Bay, Cliftonville. The former is the west lift, are there two others in Ramsgate? Central and east?
OK, found it. Ramsgate. Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 38597 64862
- Nearest Post Code: CT11 8LU
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°19'58"N,001°25'26"E or 51.332759,1.423793
EH listing (grade II) at: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1391989?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1391989?section=official-list-entry)
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So this lift was the former East Cliff Beach (1908) transfered to the current Viking Bay Lift (2000) at Broadstairs after the old Funicular Railway was deemed unsuitable for repairs.
The three Ramsgate lifts were: Western Undercliff, Central (know called East Cliff), and East Cliff Beach (later named Marina when the swimming pool was built in 1935).
From your feature MartinR:
HISTORY: East Cliff or Harbour Lift was built in 1910, the second of three lifts in Ramsgate, but now the older of the two that survive. The earliest, the Marina Lift, which was built in 1908 further to the north on the East Cliff, was demolished after falling into disrepair. The West Cliff Lift was built in 1926: probably designed by Sir John Burnet and Partners, this is listed at Grade II.
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Images:
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More:
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Finally:
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Thanks, Beachbum. Another interesting one.
Next one ...
Where can this structure be found?
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Is that the Machine gun port on the St Margarets Bay Cliffs?
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Is that the Machine gun port on the St Margarets Bay Cliffs?
That was quick Grandrog ;) Over to you.
For a trip inside, click on this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz84K9uzDuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz84K9uzDuo)
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Thanks John Walker.I wasn't sure if it was the Air raid shelter in the old Highsted Chalk Pit or St Margarets Cave.
Will sort a picture for tomorrow.
PS: Didnt know the tunnels there were so extensive .
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Good Morning All,another bright start for the day. :)
Where did i find these markings on a Sarson stone.
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Quick guess to get things started. Coldrum Barrow ? Trottiscliffe.
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Good try, you are too far West.
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St Bartholomew's, Otford?
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Welcome to GTP Jackie Paper, you are about 20 miles to far Westish . Me20 Postcode.
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Sorry John Walker ,you were to Far WEST not East. I have amended post.
About half the distance away from Jackie Papers guess
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Three Crutches, near Wainscott ?
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You are due North with Wainscott so go south next.
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One of the sarsen stones in Rochester Cathedral ?
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Keep going further south.
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In the area of Kit's Coty ?
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Almost right on the spot ,have a look round the area.
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The Countless Stones ?
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The old public toilets in Mote Park Maidstone - before demolished last century - the two bushes - are for THOSE - who cannot WAIT.
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You have it John Walker.One of the Stones in the pile .Site also known as Little Kitts Coty.
Over to You. :)
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You have it John Walker.One of the Stones in the pile .Site also known as Little Kitts Coty.
Over to You. :)
Thanks, Grandarog - I think I covered a fair few of the sarsen stone sites in Kent before getting there.
Next one soon.
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Sorry for the delay.
Next one
What and where?
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Aerial pic of Lympne Saxon shore Fort (Portus Lemanis)
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You have it CAT. (I thought I was safe putting it on as a GTP as you've been away from GTP for a while) ;D ;D ;D .
I'll leave you to add some info as I don't have a lot on it. Over to you.
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Many thanks JohnWalker, still here just exceptionally busy and keeping me away from the computer.
If you are all ready for it, the info on the fort below is taken from its official listing as being:
Remains of Portus Lemanis, or Stutfall Castle, which was partially excavated by C. Roach Smith in 1850 and Sir Victor Horsley in 1894. Today it consists of an irregular shaped fort with east, north and west walls surviving and was one of the Saxon Shore forts of the last quarter of the 3rd century. It is a Scheduled Ancient Monument and its remains are very fragmentary owing to numerous springs in the clay soil on which it was built. These caused landslips to occur with large portions of the main outer walling having either fallen, or been thrown out of their original positions, whilst the south wall has largely disappeared entirely. The remaining walling, constructed of typical Roman masonry with tile bonding courses varies between 3.7m and 4.5m in thickness and stands in places to a height of about 5.0m. Three bastions survive at the north, northwest and southeast corners whilst the sites of two more can be identified in the middle and at the south end of the southwest side. There is now no trace of gateways or posterns. Published excavations by Roach Smith located a second century altar, covered with salt water barnacles, reused in a gate platform dedicated by L. Aufidius Pantera, Commander of the British fleet c. AD 133 or soon after. This and tiles of the Classis Britannica suggest a naval base nearly a century before the construction of the fort. Later excavations by Barry Cunliffe between 1976 and 1978 failed to reveal an underlying Classis Britannica base but further reused masonry and an uninscribed altar and more tiles stamped by the Classis Britannica were found. It seems likely that the Classis Britannica base did not lie beneath the later Saxon-Shore fort, but the ruins were fairly close when Stutfall Castle was built. It is quite likely that the base has already disappeared because of the erosion along the coast. The excavation allowed tentative reconstructions of the east gate, which appears to have been of at least two storeys, and the fort plan. It is thought that the fort was built in the late third century and abandoned c 350 AD. Most of the circuit of the walls, of irregular polygonal plan, can be traced, but the greater part is fallen and large chunks of the walls and towers lie about. It is built of flint with the bonding courses and had semi-circular bastions. Substantial portions of the perimeter walls run along the NE and W boundaries. In places these have collapsed enbloc. Practically all the dressed stone has been robbed exposing core stonework. Some dressed stone however survives on west side. The springs have caused serious subsidence and and slipping of the Roman walls, giving a confusing impression, but originally the walls enclosed a semi-rectangular fort 10-11 acres in extent. They were 12-14 ft thick and 20ft high. Externally a number of semi-circular bastions projected from the wall. The main gate lay in the centre of the east wall; not much can be seen, but Victorian excavations showed it to be a simple opening flanked by two bastions. Two masonry buildings have been excavated inside, the principia, and a small bath suite. The fort was probably built in the 280s under Carausius, but judging from quantities of earlier material there must have been a naval base here in the 2nd century. Coin evidence suggests abandonment about 370, possibly because of the land-slipping. In 1943, Mrs E S G Robinson presented to the Haverfield Library Sir Victor Horsley's field notes of the 1893 excavation in the east part of the south ramparts, plus a report of what was found in four of the seven trenches dug. The scale plan, photographs, pottery, coins and metal objects were all missing and there was no account of work in 1894. Studfall Castle was visited by members of the Royal Archaeological Institute on 29th July 1896. Stutfall Castle seems to have occupied a broad point of land forming the north shore of a strait separated by a wide tract of marsh and sandbank from the mainland. This sea channel gradually disappeared to become part of Romney Marsh, but excavation has demonstrated that the shoreline was originally 1.8m below the present level of the marsh. The siting of the fort and its Classis Britannica predecessor, with the command of this narrow estuary, made good strategic sense enabling it to control all shipping entering the harbour, and to oversee the transport of the iron mined and extracted in the Weald. Air photographs in 1945-1952 showed the threat to the site with the Wealden clays slipping downhill. This resulted in buildings being displaced, and the fort-wall shifting. This has led to a suggestion that perhaps the fort was originally rectangular and it is the land movement that has caused its irregular shape. However, B. Philp believes that with the available evidence, Roach Smith's reconstruction of a pentagonal plan to the fort is the best suggestion. He believes that the movement may have not been as much as suggested, and the majority of shore-forts built at the end of the 3rd century, were in fact trapezoidal. At Lympne where the steep slope of the hill was a major consideration, a pentagonal plan is probably the most likely possibility.
I shall paste a GTP pic later today
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Thanks, CAT. Very informative. I wondered why it was so irregular in shape.
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Still a very controversial subject as some archaeologist still say its polygonal, whilst others say it was traditionally rectangular. I favour the rectangular shape following the most recent excavations (c.1980) suggested the north wall at least was originally built on a series of driven oak piles forming a roughly east - west line and the masonry was constructed over these. Land slippages subsequently built soils against its outside (northern) face until the wall was pushed off its oak pile foundations and slid in sections down slope to form the pointed shape we see today. this process is still ongoing, so the fort may change shape again.
Here is my next church offering, but where?
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Pretty sure that's the Holy Cross Church at Bearsted .
Your photo is very old. :)
PS I visited about 5 years ago to check a name on the War Memorial in the Churchyard and it was all fenced off with a notice saying it was dangerous.
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Congratulations grandarog, it is indeed Holy Cross church in Bearsted. A church I once worked at many years ago, but not as long ago as this pic, which is a hand coloured postcard from the early twentieth century. Thankfully the ivy, despite looking pleasantly rural, has all been eradicated from the tower as it usually does untold amounts of damage to masonry.
Over to you grandarog
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Thanks Cat . Nice to have you back in the playing field.
Lets see who can guess where I saw this crest?
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Where are you all hiding,no guesses yet!
1st Clue .Central Kent. :)
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Quick guess - Rochester?
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Not Rochester more central.
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Archbishops Palace, Maidstone?
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Appologies for the abscence. I suffered a catastrophic disk failure and have been rebuilding my system and trying to redo temporary work that I hadn't yet backed up.
Location information for the gun emplacement at St. Mary's Bay:
- Nat Grid: TR 36771 44269
- Nearest Post Code: CT15 6DZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°08'55"N,001°23'02E or 51.14868,1.38403
Little Kit's Coty:
- Nat Grid: TQ 74418 60391
- Nearest Post Code: ME20 7DE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'57"N,000°30'05"E or 51.31589,0.50141
Lympne Saxon shore Fort (Portus Lemanis):
- Nat Grid: TR 11842 34231
- Nearest Post Code: CT21 4NS
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°04'06"N,001°01'20"E or 51.06830,1.02226
Bearsted, Holy Cross:
- Nat Grid: TQ 80081 55510
- Nearest Post Code: ME14 4EE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°16'13"N,000°34'48" or 51.27029,0.58012
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Thanks for the co-ordinates MartinR. Disc failure - the stuff of nightmares. I hope it doesn't take too long to get back to normal workings.
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Most of my data was on a 5-disk RAID5 set. I'd had a hot spare for ages, but started the conversion to RAID6 to improve reliability (irony)! During the first critical phase the new disk went out, and the superblock was unrecoverable. :-\ I reconfigured and restored 90% of the data, but the filesystem where I keep the virtual machines isn't backed up - I back up the VMs themselves. The latest VM I was working on didn't yet have a backup system (that was what I was working on) when the crash occurred. At least I know that my backup system (with the exception of the latest VM) works, there's no test like real life!
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You are heading in the right direction keep going South'ish.
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Boughton Monchelsea Place has similar archways but I can't locate the one in your photo.
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Getting closer ,keep heading South'ish. :)
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Got it - I think. Main gate into Sissinghurst?
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You have ,well done. Lovely place to visit.
Back to you for another teaser :)
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Location info:
- Nat Grid: TQ 80771 38329
- Nearest Post Code: TN17 2AW
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°06'57"N,000°34'53"E or 51.115735,0.581359
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You have ,well done. Lovely place to visit.
Back to you for another teaser :)
Thanks, Grandarog, I walked through that arch about 3 months ago and still didn't remember it in your photo.
Next one.
What and where?
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Clue: Lots of history in this area.
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Aerial view of a lump of Dover?
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Not Dover - more mid-Kent
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The building's current use is a far cry from its original use.
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There are at least three other similar buildings in Kent.
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Totally lost with this one?
Charing area?
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Head roughly North West.
This historical building is now surrounded by housing and businesses.
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Thought it might be one of the Georgian buildings in Chatham dockyard or around the Garrison/Blue Town area in Sheerness, but can’t spot anything on Google satellite with exactly that plan.
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Thought it might be one of the Georgian buildings in Chatham dockyard or around the Garrison/Blue Town area in Sheerness, but can’t spot anything on Google satellite with exactly that plan.
Need to head around 15 km from Chatham Dockyard - roughly SW.
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The old control tower at West Malling, now in the middle of Kings Hill.
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The old control tower at West Malling, now in the middle of Kings Hill.
You have it JohnFilmer - well done. Over to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_West_Malling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_West_Malling)
http://www.ukairfields.org.uk/west-malling.html (http://www.ukairfields.org.uk/west-malling.html)
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Interesting. I've driven past the entrance often enough but thought that King's Hill was just a yuppie housing development. It looks at though it is worth a visit if summer ever arrives this year. Anyhow, here's the location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 67733 55252
- Nearest Post Code: ME19 4RG
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°16'18"N,000°24'11"E or 51.271734,0.403162
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There are at least two of RAF West Malling buildings remaining. The Control Tower (now a coffee bar) and the Officers Mess (now council offices)'
An interesting wartime story -
German Landing, April 1943
On a misty evening on 16 April 1943 a single-engined aircraft was heard approaching the airfield by the crew of a Beaverette Mk III armoured car of 2769 Field Squadron RAF Regiment, which was on routine patrol around the airfield. The plane, a German Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighter, circled twice and then landed. The driver of the armoured car, AC Wilding immediately swung his vehicle into the path of the aircraft to prevent it from taking off again. With no means to escape, the pilot, Feldwebel Otto Bechtold, immediately gave himself up. Driving back to the airfield from the Guardroom, they saw a second Focke-Wulf Fw 190 land, but before the armoured car could reach it, the pilot realised his mistake and turned his aircraft around to begin a take-off run. The car commander, LAC Sharback, at once opened fire with his twin Vickers machine guns and the aircraft slewed off the runway and caught fire. The pilot, wounded in the shoulder and leg and with his flying suit in flames, was thrown clear of the aircraft as it overturned. The two gunners ran to the pilot's rescue, extinguished his burning clothing and dragged him clear of the aircraft. Unfortunately, when one of the Station's fire trucks was attempting to extinguish the flames, the aircraft exploded in a ball of fire, scattering debris over a radius of 300 yards and seriously injuring several of the RAF Firemen. Within a few minutes, a third Fw 190 crashed on the approach to the runway and a fourth aircraft ploughed into a nearby orchard and burst into flames.
The serviceable aircraft was flown to Royal Aircraft Establishment at Farnborough the next day for detailed examination and was eventually repainted in RAF livery, designated as a prototype or experimental aircraft.
The German pilots revealed that they had become lost in thick fog over the English Channel, believed they were over France, and had been directed to the airstrip by a searchlight at Detling
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Fascinating stuff.
I like the name 'Rafwaffe' used for the captured German aircraft flown in WWII, hadn't heard of it until recently.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/no-1426-flight-raf-rafwaffe.html?Exc_D_LessThanPoint002_p1=1 (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/no-1426-flight-raf-rafwaffe.html?Exc_D_LessThanPoint002_p1=1)
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An interesting article Jackie Paper. I knew that complete German aircraft were prized as my Grandad used to go out with a vehicle called a 'donkey' to collect them. I didn't know of the name 'Rafewaffe' before.
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It is amazing what comes to light through GTP!
Unlikely to raise that sort of interest, but where is this - a very new Google image of part of an historic site.
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Railway connections?
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Faversham?
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Not railway related, and Faversham is too far east.
The tower design is a familiar design in similar settings.
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I think I've found it but I'll hold back for now.
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Gravesend?
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Too far west Lutonman
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Medway, are we north Kent coast?
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Not far from the river Medway
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I think that is the Clock Tower of the old Looney Bin at Leybourne .West Malling.
Now converted to flats named Royal Victoria Place .
I think the grounds are engulfed in housing now.
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Spot on grandarog.
Leybourne Grange clock tower.
Your play…
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By, that took some finding. the tower is at:
- Address: 13, Hilder St.
- Nat Grid: TQ 67863 59395
- Nearest Post Code: ME19 5ST
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'32"N,000°24'25"E or 51.308916,0.406970
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Thanks John Filmer the area is a lot different from when it was the hospital.
Next one up this Evening.
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Sorry I kept you waiting. Next one ,shouldn't last long. :)
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Probably miles and centuries off, but getting an Ightham Mote vibe.
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Good guess but No. need to go East'ish for some distance.
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Is it in Maidstone? The open timber framing and Ragstone suggest it could be. Even one of the entrances to the Maidstone Carriage Museum?
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Certainly is CAT. Well visited place so didn't think it would last long.
Just to the left of the main door as you approach.
Over to you.
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Many thanks grandarog.
As a confession, despite working next to it, over the road from it and everywhere near it, I've never been inside. Will make a special effort next time.
Here is my next offering, which is a period village view, which also might not take to long, but where....?
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Looks a bit like Chilham.
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A bit of google streetview suggests maybe not Chilham.
That raised pavement is familiar. Would it still be there if we visited today?
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After a virtual tour of many Kent villages on streetview, I now think it's Sutton Valence.
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Addictive isn’t it :D
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Just in case anyone isn't sure, the Tyrwhitt-Drake Museum of Carriages is at:
- Address: Tithe Barn, 16 Mill St, Maidstone, ME15 6XT
- Nat Grid: TQ 76030 55487
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°16'17"N,000°31'20"E or 51.271345,0.522099
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Good morning all and apologies for the delay, but the wife's birthday had to come first.
It is not Chilham Jackie Paper, though with the wealth of period buildings I can see why you would think so.
I'm sure you have had a fun time literally 'going around the houses'
Is your 'think it's' an actual guess as an almost identical view can be had on Streetview, virtually unchanged?
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Looks like Jackie Paper pipped me to the post :)
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I'me confused ??? Is it not Chilham or Sutton Valance ,pipping at the post?
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Re: my previous post to Jackie Paper, 'it is not Chilham'. However, Jackie Paper further said 'I now think it's Sutton Valence'. I have asked for a clarification as to whether this is a legitimate guess (of Sutton Valence). If it is then Jackie Paper should take the mantle (sorry John Walker), whom is also correct. It is indeed Looking down Tumblers Hill towards Broad Street. See attached for comparison.
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Near as I can judge the camera was at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 81498 49245
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 3AE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°12'49"N,000°35'50"E or 51.21356,0.59724
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All right. I'll have a go.
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Quick opener - Somewhere in Chatham?
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Not Chatham.
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Sorry the original image is a bit big and unwieldy.
Here's a more sensibly scaled one.
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They look suspiciously like the concrete mock shells at Slough fort.
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Spot on MartinR. The very same, over to you.
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Fort Slough:
- Nat Grid: TQ 83758 78498
- Nearest Post Code: ME3 9QE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°28'32"N,000°38'41"E or 51.47559,0.64465
And for the next one: what and where?
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Rochester ?
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Yes.
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Just a guess. Anything to do with a series of Norman steps, indicating a previously unknown historic entrance to the Quire?
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No., but there is a Cathedral connection.
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St Nicholas?
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No Cathedral, not the "new" parish church.
Time for a hint: A king with marital problems caused this to fall out of use.
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Is it part of the ruins of the Priory of St Andrew next to Rochester Cathedral?
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Yes, that's the where, can you find the what?
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Looks like there are leaves in it, so maybe part of an exterior wall. A garderobe?
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Not a garderobe. My understanding is that garderobes only occur in castles and manors. Monks shouldn't have fine robes to protect. If you're thinking of the garderobe's other function, then the monkish equivalent is the rere-dortor (lit: back of the sleeping area). Unfortunately the picture isn't that either, but you are very close.
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Is it something simple such as just a seat for a traveller to rest.
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Sorry grandarog, Jackie is much closer.
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It also looks like it was a portion of an arch or buttress blocked up at some point. Is it a hiding place for catholic books or relics?
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No, not any form of hiding place. Jackie worked out that it was part of the priory, and I can confirm that it was in use as part thereof for centuries prior to the dissolution.
Clue number 2 may help, or possibly send you on the wrong track: part of the structure is significantly older than the rest and forms part of a much larger (in surface area), older structure.
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A blocked-off secret entry to perhaps the cathedral or an escape tunnel?
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Could it be the partially blocked-up remains of the monks 'Lavatory', (monk's communal washing are) built into the internal face of the Roman city wall along the southwest side of the cloister of St Andrew's Priory, Rochester?
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CAT gets it. The lavatorium is correct.
Quite fine vaulting IMHO. The problem that they faced when building the Priory was the existence of the Roman ("significantly older") city wall ("much larger") running across the south of the site. They had to punch through it and put some priory buildings above it.
It's hard to remember, but the ancient walls of Rochester were six or seven hundred years old already when the priory was built, a similar span back from today would take you to the period shortly before the Black Death and the Hundred Years War. Chaucer was 50 years in the future but Kentish literature existed: "þis boc is dan Michelis of Northgate / ywrite an englis of his oȝene hand."¹
¹don Michael of Northgate: Ayenbite of Inwyt
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Many thanks MartinR.
It was one of the areas I had to clean of leaves, rubbish and other detritus many years ago before drawing the stonework in detail so I remember it well. (I was a much smaller person then).
The survival of the Roman wall was largely down to the early creation of Rochester Diocesan with the building of the early Anglo-Saxon church, which is beneath the west front of the present cathedral and its precincts. Forming a defendable enclave within the circuit of the Roman walled city of Rochester, it was subsequently reused as the precinct wall for the early Norman cathedral until they needed more space and pushed the boundary further out with its own secondary defendable wall. This internalised a section of the former Roman city wall as it extended through the priory buildings.
Here is my next, which is an addition to a fairly rural location, so doesn't appear on GoogleEarth, or StreetView
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Are there some other carvings near this one?
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Not that I'm aware. The site of this is well known locally as it once resounded to the noise of motorcycle racing.
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I will pass on this one as I know it. :)
Lets just say it brought Paul O'Grady to tears. :'(
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Brand's Hatch area?
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Wrong side of the county MartinR. Resounded, not covered by a deafening roar.
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I found it, but will pass as I have a busy weekend ahead (well busy for me!)
It also looks like my sofa, with Leila our 39kg black Dutch Shepherd sitting on it :D
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I have now found it. It appears in the far distance on GSV.
I've had a few GTPs lately but if no one else goes for it after a day or so I'll go for it.
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An interesting Memorial indeed.
So I brought my first Motorcycle from the Rider below. One of the original members of the Club running the Races.
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Looks like people are getting close, but no takers so far!
The site of this 'monumental carving' overlooks one of East Kent's most scenic valley routes
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So to move things on, this is Ray Bovis and his dog brodie remembered by the memorial bench at Barham.
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The Barham Motorcycle Rider is Tom Arter (Arter Bros).
Tom Built many successful TT bikes. Peter Williams was one of his crew, he later became Norton's development engineer.
I brought a Greeves 250 trials bike with silverstone front forks and Sammy Miller exhaust (I was 15)
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Apologies for the delay, but you are definitely heading the right way Beachbum and are in the right parish of Barham and the bench's dedication. A little more precision on its location, the name of which is a reflection of the lands former use.
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Well, I know the location and the current name for the area, but I can't find any clue as to the origin of the name. Unless there's some connection with the racecourse that used to be on the Barham Downs outside Canterbury.
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As John Walker says ,Its a Nature Reserve named Jumping Downs .
Named by Anglo Saxon,s it means Hilly or Humpy Farming Ground .Probably nowadays people think it to refers Horse Race Steeple Chasing or to the motor Bike,s Jumping the Hillocks when Scrambling.
Beachbum Wins he found the Bench first. :)
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As John Walker says ,Its a Nature Reserve named Jumping Downs .
Named by Anglo Saxon,s it means Hilly or Humpy Farming Ground .Probably nowadays people think it to refers Horse Race Steeple Chasing or to the motor Bike,s Jumping the Hillocks when Scrambling.
Beachbum Wins he found the Bench first. :)
Something else I've leaned from GTP.
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The location information for Jumping Downs Nature Reserve found by entering the name into Google Maps is:
- Co-ords from Google maps: 51.19293447583034, 1.1360682545372907
- Nat Grid: TR1922248420
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 6LN
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°11'35"N,001°08'10"E
Can't see any benches though. someone else will have to explain where in the reserve the bench is.
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I quite agree that Beachbum should take the honour with this one. The true origin of the name is lost in the mists of time, or a musty box in an archive store, but its later reuse of 'Jumping Downs' can be traced on the earlier maps of the Ordnance Survey from 1871, as well as the Barham Tithe map of 1842. There is the possibility it may have referred to quarrying of the moderately steep sloping valley sides as a portion of land opposite recorded as 'Part of Stone Quarry Field' and 'Stone Quarry Field'.
The two included images show it in recent years as a nature reserve, whilst the second is the LIDAR image showing the course of the motorcycle track, the lumps and bumps of which are vaguely discernible in the reserve today. For its O.S. location, its at TR19407 48639, or 51°11'41.52"N,001°08'19.83"E in watery terms.
Over to you Beachbum and apologies for the delays.
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Here's a distant view taken from South Barham Hill. Aprox 51.193810, 1.138304. You might need to move left or right a bit to see it on top of the hill.
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Thanks for more detail, I was looking at the wrong hill! (Thanks Google :P). Best view is from https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.1938542,1.139879,3a,75y,355.4h,84.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9lCS4q4PSQOqbnGz3VBj1A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.1938542,1.139879,3a,75y,355.4h,84.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9lCS4q4PSQOqbnGz3VBj1A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu). Location information of the bench:
- Nat Grid: TR 19443 48642
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°11'41"N,001°08'22"E or 51.19484,1.13935
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Thanks CAT, a tricky one for exact location. Well done MartinR and John Walker.
So next one "200 years?"
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Quick opener- Faversham?
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Maidstone area?
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Not far from Maidstone
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Finally found it - I think. The Paint Shop, Phoenix Brewery, Bow Road, Wateringbury. Owned at some point by Whitbread. I believe the building has since been demolished.
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John Walker beat me to it yet again. :) History of the Brewery on here.
http://www.breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=200_Years_of_Brewing_at_Wateringbury
http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Frederick_Leney_%26_Sons_-_an_essay
https://wateringbury.blogspot.com/2018/11/phoenix-brewery-bow-road-wateringbury.html
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John Walker beat me to it yet again. :) History of the Brewery on here.
http://www.breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=200_Years_of_Brewing_at_Wateringbury
http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Frederick_Leney_%26_Sons_-_an_essay
https://wateringbury.blogspot.com/2018/11/phoenix-brewery-bow-road-wateringbury.html
Grandarog, our searches must have been running in tandem. Those are the same links that I traced. My PC must have been running a bit faster than yours ... :)
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Well done John Walker, I had some more clues to add if required. Like near Water.......
The Brewery was demolished in 1984/5 and replaced with a Housing Development including Phoenix Drive.
Over to you John Walker
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See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.5&lat=51.25214&lon=0.42164&layers=168&b=1 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.5&lat=51.25214&lon=0.42164&layers=168&b=1) Location:
- Grid ref: TQ 69127 53093
- Coords (WGS84): 51°15'07"N,000°25'20"E or 51.25193,0.42211
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Thanks Beachbum. Another interesting one. I never realised there were so many breweries in Kent in years past.
Next one. Should be easy. Name the station.
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As an aside, this is a good example of the third rail position as discussed recently.
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Oh, and it’s Paddock Wood station, by the way :)
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Oh, and it’s Paddock Wood station, by the way :)
Well done JohnFilmer. Quite an interesting history for this station. It appears that Paddock Wood only exists because of the station. In addition to the main line, it had branch lines heading north and south plus various sidings etc. As you say, a good example of the third rail changing sides. Over to you.
https://www.kentrail.org.uk/paddock%20wood.htm (https://www.kentrail.org.uk/paddock%20wood.htm)
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Thanks JW, I had forgotten about the Kent Rail site, plenty of interesting reading for anyone interested in railway history.
Browsing a couple of stations from the index gave me an idea and a change of image for the next item.
So its a station, North Kent, but unlike the usual LC&DR station buildings.
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Recognised straight away so isle pass on this one . :-X
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How restrained (pun intended) grandarog 8)
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Queenborough BR on the Isle of Sheppey.
(Old pic from the Kent Community Rail Partnership website [https://kentcrp.org/])
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You are so right Jackie Paper, it is Queenborough. Love the photo that you used clearly showing the original “wings” on each side. Although that signal on the right seems very tall?
I house shared with an old school friend for about a year in the early 70s just round the corner in front of the station, even used it a few times before that. I now find that a great(x3?) uncle had a dairy farm between the station and the main road to Halfway.
It’s over to you…
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I'm not sure the portakabin style replacements for the buildings either side are an improvement. I notice that the current main road doesn't exist in the earlier pic, any idea on the date? (Just curious) BTW, I don't think either Queenborough or Paddock Wood stations need location information!
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No info on the date. The undeveloped surroundings suggest soon after opening in 1876?
Odd that it should be painted over the decorative brickwork visible in some other pictures though.
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OK. Here's one.
Not sure if it's too easy or too difficult...
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They are only easy if you know them. I know this one...
Having just "been" I'll pass, no doubt one of the many local inhabitants will be along shortly. ::)
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Somewhere in Chatham Docks ?
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Very warm.
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is it the New Road viaduct over Railway Street in Chatham?
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Stewie has it spot on.
Pic taken from the gateway to Wickes car park.
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Thanks Jacki Piper, being born and bred in Chatham, I recognised this one quite quickly. I don't really have much to offer and will be out and about this weekend so this one should go fairly promptly. So if I fired this cannon what would I hit?
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One of the boats on the other side of the Medway, opposite "Upnor Castle" battlement (If you were lucky) :)
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well done grandarog close enough for me! over to you.
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Thankyou Stewie.
Staying with your theme,where did I spot these fine examples of Cannon Balls without a Monkey.
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Er.. is it me, or is there no picture? Tricky to find >:(
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Deal Castle on a very foggy day 8) ?
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Whoops, :-[
Dont know why the Picture didn't load.Lets try again.
Thankyou Stewie.
Staying with your theme,where did I spot these fine examples of Cannon Balls without a Monkey.
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Dover Castle ?
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Spot on JohnWalker . Picture courtesy of Alamy to clarify.
Next Please.
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Thanks Grandarog. Evil-looking things! I can just imagine the damage they can cause but I doubt they were very accurate!
Next one up soon ...
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Grandarog, those are mortars, not cannons. A mortar fired a hollow sphere filled with gunpowder, ignited by a fuse. The fuse was cut to length in order to detonate the bomb on or immediately after impact with the target. On Royal Navy bomb vessels, the mortars were operated by officers and crew from the Royal Artillery.
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Thanks Stuart. Although I do know they are Mortars in the Photo others may not.
I did not know they were used on Ships so thanks to you I have learnt something new. :)
I was going to tell JohnWalker there were Solid and Exploding Cannon Ball,s to inflict damage on the enemy.
If I remember right the balls between the Mortars are solids and labelled as cannon balls in the Castle history leaflet blurb.
(Even the Alamy photo I posted is labelled Cannons at Dover Castle.)
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Interesting to note that I have a sold 'cannon' ball that I recovered from a Kent beach. Weighing in at 128lbs, its most definitely solid and I assumed it to be a 'mortar' ball, which would contradict the statement by stuartwalters that mortars fired a 'hollow sphere filled with gunpowder. That would definitely fit the description of the other 'ball' I left on the beach, which possessed a bronze fuse protruding from its outer iron sphere casing and subsequently are meant to be extremely unstable. I was also informed that the 'mortar' balls were also filled with smaller lead shot/balls to act as shrapnel on explosion.
Interested to be informed further.
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Stuart will correct me if I am wrong .
I think Historic Mortars could fire anything that fitted in them .ie;- Rocks ,Solid Iron Balls and various explosive or incendiary Balls depending if anti personel, with fragmenting cases and loose shrapnel mixed in the charge, to full explosive filled destruction balls against buildings ,ships etc.
Modern Artillery Mortars can fire high-explosive rounds, smoke rounds, illumination rounds, and anti-personnel rounds. Depending on the situation .
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Here we go with the next GTP.
Where could we find these old fuel pumps before they were removed?
Their replacements can be seen on GSV.
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Small village, roughly south east of mid kent.
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I presume you are all waiting for more clues?
Rumours were once started by the locals to attract visitors to the area where these old pumps were.
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Is it Oliver’s at Everton?
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Is it Oliver’s at Everton?
Not sure about that location but it's not there.
National Trust location to the South.
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Auto correct, or rather auto incorrect, of Egerton. But not there then…
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Auto correct, or rather auto incorrect, of Egerton. But not there then…
Just found Olivers - a very similar set-up but a different brand to the one that replaced Corralls. Now residential but they've left the latest pumps as a feature.
You need to head South West. :)
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Forge Garage, Frittenden, maybe…
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Well done JohnFilmer. You earned that one. Photo shows the later replacements after corralls discontinued petrol sales. These have been left in place as a feature after the garage had been converted to residential use.
Over to you
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A disappearing breed the local garage. Here in Doddington we have a thriving Service Station, it even still sells fuel. My last local garage was Wents Service Station at the top of Ulcombe Hill, and that is still going strong, but has not sold fuel for many years.
Meanwhile, sorry to have been a while, I started to turn a replacement knob for the lid of an elderly Le Creuset pot and kept on until my wife returned home. Still all done, just going to powder coat it for best effect.
The next one was intended for use the other day, but I used another, so here it is. This is unusual as the monument is not in either a central village position, or churchyard.
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Forge Garage location:
- Address: The Street, Frittenden
- Nat Grid: TQ 81491 41199
- Nearest Post Code: TN17 2DG
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°08'29"N,000°35'35"E or 51.14129,0.59308
The two previous GTPs didn't need location information IMHO. :)
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I thought I knew this one, but on checking, it's similar but not the one in your photo.
East Kent ?
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Mid Kent is more correct.
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Not in a village or churchyard?
Perhaps a memorial to staff from a country estate, or a public school?
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It honours all the local fallen, with no other specific definition.
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The twist is that it serves two nearby villages, situated between them.
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Found it - that last clue helped. I'll pass for now as I'm away from my PC etc for a week.
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The two villages have shared quite a bit over the years, but both still have their own ancient church and a pub each.
I was maybe a little too economical with the truth replying to Jackie, in that it is on land opposite one of the local “big houses”, because the son was killed in WW1. Being a lieutenant in WW1 was a singly dangerous occupation. Two are commemorated from that time.
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One of those churches has a newer, very distinctive, tower.
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Between M2 and A20, on a bend in the road connecting A2 to A20
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Got it.
Between Doddington and Newnham
51.280968, 0.787408
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Well done Jackie Paper, it is the War Memorial of those two villages, situated roughly between them.
Dedicated on 9th April 1921, there is a contemporary account and photo on the village website Doddington, Kent. (Note that other Doddingtons are available).
The parishes are intertwined, where I live to the south of Doddington, there was a lump of Newnham separating our island of Doddington from the village, and from memory (unreliable at best) the south side of at least part of Doddington Street was in the parish of Newnham.
I did research a lot of this a few years ago when my early steps in Ancestry led me to discover that my paternal ancestors were from Doddington and nearby Wychling. My great great grandfather was born in 1825 in a house that I can see from our upstairs window!
Over to you….
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OK here's the cover of an album by an excellent Kent based band.
The image is of a Kent location.
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Somewhere on the Hoo peninsula?
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No. But the right sort of landscape.
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Shepey?
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Yes. Red hot already.
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Elmley Bird Reserve? :-\
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Location of John's War Memorial:
- Nat Grid: TQ 94462 57142
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 0BB
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°16'49"N,000°47'13"E
Many thanks to Jackie for the co-ordinates, it makes finding and converting a doddle.
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Grandarog is spot on.
Submerged tree in the pond at the Elmley Bird Reserve.
Over to you.
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Tree located at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 93826 67783
- Nearest Post Code: ME12 3RW
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'34"N,000°47'01"E or 51.37601,0.78359
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Thankyou Jackie Paper :). Wasn't sure if it was Elmley or Bartons Point Park.
Here's the next one .
Where did i see this unusual feature.
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ME14 post code.
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Knowle Road/ Rochester Road Burham/ Eccles?
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Good guess with Eccles, you are only 3 or 4 klm away.
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Looks a bit like a sculpture of a curtain or the hem of a garment.
Is it eccesiastical? Aylesford Priory?
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Correct it is a sculpture. Aylesford yes but not the Priory.
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Tomb in the church?
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Not in a church .Nothing ecclesiastical about it.
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Preston Hall?
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Not Preston Hall. With your Elephantine memory I thought you would have got it by now. :)
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Off out shortly, but the clue could point to the old Maidstone Zoo?
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Correct you are getting there.
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There is currently a problem with the safety Certificate for the Forum.Please Be Patient,Stuart is sorting it.
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Museum of Kent Life ?
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Not there, You need to stop monkeying about and follow john filmer's lead.
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I reckon it's Cobtree Manor Park. One of the sculptures is a bronze elephant but I'm not sure which sculpture your photo is of.
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You have it John Walker Cropped from a Sculpture at Cobtree Park.
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Thanks Grandarog
I found that sculpture but couldn't see the parallel lines so wasn't sure.
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The sculpture is at:
- Nat Grid: TQ747589 / TQ7471858933
- Nearest Post Code: ME14 3AX
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'09.7"N 0°30'18.0"E or 51.302705,0.505008
Is anyone else experiencing problems with the web page's format? I've tried a couple of browsers and it seems to be text only with no formatting.
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(OT, but this is the most frequently read thread) Update:
- Firefox - fail
- Chromium - fail
- Konqueror - OK, but with messages about the certificate
- Opera - fail
- Sea Monkey - fail
The security certificate expired on 8 September, I think this is something that only Stuart can handle, I've not found a way using the Admin interface. If anyone does know the way to renew the certificate, please let me know and I'll try to do it for him. thanks.
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Yes, I get the security warning. Chrome and Bitdefender. I take a chance and override it.
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Next one ... Can be seen on GSV
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I contacted Stuart on the day the cert expired. He has it all in hand to renew ,but it takes time .Please be Patient.
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I can still log in if I ignore the warnings. I would not have done so if it were not for grandarog's message on September 14, 2023, 05:54:46 PM.
Let's hope that normal service is resumed soon.
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It has had no bites in 10 days. I have found the answer using Google Lens? Before I post, is that allowed?
(Edit 26th September, clearly the site is dormant, so I will not continue interacting with GTP for now)
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It has had no bites in 10 days. I have found the answer using Google Lens? Before I post, is that allowed?
(Edit 26th September, clearly the site is dormant, so I will not continue interacting with GTP for now)
No security issues this morning so I'm guessing it's fixed. :)
Local Hiker: I've just checked with Google Lens and it gave similar results but not the right one.
Suggest you put your guess in and see if it's correct. At least it will get things moving again.
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This looks similar even if it is wrong.
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3632090
Thanks Stuart for getting the site up and running again.
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You have it Local Hiker. A track to it leads from Hadlow Road (A26) , just out of Tonbridge. It's also on the long distance path that runs alongside the Medway.
51.2010524048229, 0.29693031553839794
Over to you.
Also a thanks to Stuart from me. I've quite missed the GTPs.
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Thank you John. I added a map to my post just to clarify.
I am a bit uncomfortable using Google Lens for GTP, but such software and tools are the way of the world these days. Look how AI software and systems are developing.
Anyway, the next GTP photo, taken just a few weeks ago. My camera seems to have smudged any identifying signage.
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First, thanks to Stuart
Second, thanks for the link Local Hiker, it has all the location information and saves me a job!
I haven't solved the GTP yet, but it is clearly a heritage line. "General Manager", semaphore signals, in commission manual signal box and bullhead rail.
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Great to be Back to normal. :)
A big Thankyou to Stuart for struggling with red tape and computer problems to finally get us back to normal. >:(
Its been a big miss ,although I have been accessing insecurely,I don't think many others have been it's been eerily quiet. ;D
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Although thesignal box looks like the ones at the Wormshill railway was my first thought.
I think it is actually the one trackside at the Tenterden Railway Museum
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And I thought it was just me !
Glad it's all back now even if I don't appear too often.
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Spot on grandarog. Over to you.
It is indeed Tenterden station on the Kent & East Sussex Railway. My daughter took me for a day out a few week ago. A splendid day was had by all.
Here are a few more photos and YouTube video if anyone is interested. https://www.facebook.com/Spilt0Milk/posts/pfbid02GqMmQy2ZUJbth7ofc9mjcYg4Pqg7zhg2wuvJb3RUEWsZYF5qb9Q8NiWZE9Wy83gdl
You certainly feel that you have stepped back into history on this "Colonel Stephenson's" light railway.
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Thanks I visited there in 2014 when I was Enumerating traffic through Tenterden High street by the War Memorial. his pic will be of interest to you.
Will post next Guess later.
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Next Guess :)
I may have posted this one before.
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Will have to sit this one out as it wouldn't be a guess.
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You and I also John Walker, as I worked to the rear and within this building during its refurbishment, but lets see how it goes.
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1st Clue . CT postcode. :)
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Stuart - I have been LOCKED OUT by some 0rganisation for a few weeks now.
I Have seen now - others had the same problem - forget this now Stuart - you are doing a grand job.
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I counted 128 members - 10 + members Post - do any of the other 118 members - have a story or two - to tell - It`s your site - courtesy of Stuart.
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it looks like Abbey Street, Faversham, Rog.
DTT
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It might look like it but it's not. Go East. :)
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Come on ,No one trying!
2nd Clue . Motor Racing
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Wasn't there a clue about motor racing in East Kent a while back? Was it Betteshanger way? IIRC the track has long gone so won't be on GSV.
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Or are we in Canterbury? Home of chitty chitty etc. But no idea where…
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John Filmer is almost there with his noble guess. It is indeed connected to ChittyChitty Bang Bang.
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With Mr Google’s help, it is 16 St Radigans Street, formerly Blighs where the beasts were constructed in 1922, it says on the blue plaque that is obscured in the photo.
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You got it .
Count Zorbrovski built 2 Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Racing cars there with their huge 27 litre aero engines.Very interesting bloke ..He was the one of the Astor family so had loads of money to play with. He also dabbled in narrow gauge Railways and was involved with Hythe and Dymchurch set up.
Over to you for the next one.
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Wikpedia entry: Louis Zborowski (http://Louis Zborowski)
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My wife has stopped Zooming, so I have got the lap top back. I missed yesterday afternoon as I was teaching myself to solder Surface Mounted Devices (SMD). These are very small, a 1206 resistor is 3.2mm x 1.6mm (or 1/8 x 1/16 in real money) so head magnifier, steady hand and a new pair of stainless steel (non magnetic) tweezers. For inanimate objects they are very mobile and ping out of the tweezers never to be seen again! I also tried a technique using a (very) hot air gun, but that took the trip out after 7 resistors...
Meanwhile, where is this level crossing? Its quite pleasant beyond it these days, but it was a different story in the 70s and 80s.
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John Filmer ,I have always found a little pinch of Bluetac n the point of an instrument screw driver works best.
I thought your photo was the Sittingbourne Cemetery Gate house till I saw the Barrier. :)
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Good luck with soldering those SMDs - I don't think I could manage that now.
With regard to the GTP - I thought I recognised the gate keeper's cottage. I used to drive past it in the 80s when visiting another part of the company I worked for.
Once again - it won't be a guess so I'll hold back.
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A well used clue…. Near water
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More to the point, it’s tidal water…
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Mill Hall crossing Aylesford?
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That’s the place Stewie. Both the station and crossing keepers cottage are in a rather extravagant style.
I was looking through the Kent Rail website and found that a few photos of Aylesford had picture credit to my YTS trainee from the late 70s. He lived in Mill Hall where his father kept the George Inn, scene of my leaving “do” before we set out on our own.
Did anyone else have, or was, a YTS trainee? I had three over a few years, two office staff and a very capable service engineer.
Over to Stewie
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Thanks Johnfilmer, I believe that the South Eastern Railway were required to provide these style of buildings in Aylesford when extending their line from Strood to Maidstone.
I shall put a new one up this afternoon.
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Ah! Wrong level crossing. Here's the location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 72069 58681
- Nearest Post Code: ME20 7GB
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'04"N,000°28'01"E or 51.30125,0.46691
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Here is one I took last year. It is very much worth a visit if you are passing by. So where was I when I took this picture?
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That looks very much like Fort Luton. Since the floor is going up and curving to the right, I suspect you are just at the northeastern main entrance. If so:
- Nat Grid: TQ 76280 66047
- Nearest Post Code: ME4 5XJ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°21'58"N,000°31'51"E or 51.366128,0.530896
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Yes MartinE it is Fort Luton, well worth a visit just to see the two ‘time tunnels’ over to you
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Here are a pair of clogs (in the broadest sense of the word). They're clearly replicas in a museum display case. What I'm after is what the originals were used for and where. Bragging rights if you can name the museum.
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I believe that in 'Great Expectations', Pip wears clogs like these when he walks to and from Rochester market from Cliffe Marshes.
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That wouldn't surprise me, but wrong part of the county and not marshes.
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From one of the Gunpowder works at Faversham.? :)
In the Museum at Oare Gunpowder Works Country Park.
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No, nothing to do with gunpowder. I've not heard of wooden soled footware of any sort being used around gunpowder, they can pick up stones, and stone against stone can lead to sparks ...
First clues this evening.
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Judging from the picture, they seem to be on a shingle or pebbly beach. I found the attached picture showing similar footwear being worn by families at Dungeness. Presumably the large surface area helped spread the weight of a human making for easier walking on the shifting pebbles.
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You've got the "where", it is indeed Dungeness. The ones I illustrated were in a specific type of museum which reflects the specific use to which they were put.
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Not prototype Birkenstock sandals then😊 (much beloved of “Er indoors”)
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Not prototype Birkenstock sandals then😊 (much beloved of “Er indoors”)
;D
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Shot in the dark. Would the museum be in Chatham
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Not that dark, the museum is indeed in Chatham. Do I detect a tentative guess comming?
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Is it something to do with either launching or recovering a lifeboat?
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That's exactly what they were used for.
What I'm after is what the originals were used for and where. Bragging rights if you can name the museum
Stewie got the what and where: Launching and recovering the Dungeness Lifeboat but Shoot999 gets bragging rights for landing in Chatham.
They are in the RNLI Historic Lifeboat Collection within The Historic Dockyard, Chatham. They're called "Back Stays" and were used by the female launchers of the Dungeness lifeboat to stop them sinking into the shingle. The "design", if you can call it that, originates from the 18thC and were used to walk across shingle. Their use died out when tractor launching was introduced and also when in 1936 a concrete road was laid out towards Dungeness point.
Over to you Stewie.
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Thank you MartinR. My next one for your deliberations, where was I when I took this photo?
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Maison Dieu in Faversham?
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No not Faversham.
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Chartwell House?
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Not Chartwell House JohnWalker, I shall start the clues tonight
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First Clue, the place in question is a little bit off the tourism beaten path but is very close to a railway line.
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Second Clue: There is a river slightly further away than the railway line.
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Nettlestead Place ?
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Not Nettlestead Place JohnWalker. Third Clue: The building and surrounding estate was granted to a religious order by Henry II and may also have acted as a lodging house for travellers journeying between London and the continent.
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Rochester?
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Getting warmer johnfilmer
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I believe that the owners of the building were early exponents in international finance and credit and were also involved in escorted tours of foreign lands 🤓
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That sounds like Thomas Cook & Son, but where the connection to an area off the tourist trail yet near Rochester is I've no idea.
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Forth Clue: After the organisation mentioned below (early exponents in international finance and credit and also involved in escorted tours of foreign lands), ceased to exist, the building passed back to the crown in the reign of Edward II. Edward III subsequently gifted it and the income from it was used to endow an order of Franciscan nuns.
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Temple Manor, Knights Road, Stroud, fits the bill.
Interesting looking place, but where do you park to visit it?
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Yes it is indeed Temple Manor. Owned by English Heritage but run by Medway Council. The surviving building sits in glorious isolation on an Industrial estate. It is possible to park at the site when it is open, otherwise its a bit of a walk from Strood station. Downstairs it has a fine example of a vaulted stone ceiling supporting an earthen floor in the room above. The building was owned by the Knights Templars who acted as a modern day bank in that you could pay in at one venue and withdraw money elsewhere. Their original purpose was to guard pilgrims in the Holy land, hence the reference to 'escorted tours in foreign lands'.
Over to you Johnfilmer.
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Yet another GTP I've learnt from. I don't think I would have found that one.
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Location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 73314 68536
- Nearest Post Code: ME2 2AH
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'22"N,000°29'22"E or 51.38940,0.48955
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There are many myths and rumours about the Knights Templar, I would love to know more.
Just up the lane from me is Solomons Temple, possibly with an ancient connection to the Knights. The nearest church is at Wychling, dedicated to St Margaret of Antioch, apparently a common Templar dedication.
I live in Solomon’s Cottages, hence my interest.
Back in the morning with the next one.
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Sorry being AWOL for so long, first our younger son and his wife took up late morning for a visit. I then managed to split some logs before our eldest turned up bearing gifts for his mother's birthday that he had missed as he was visiting Norway. That was the rest of the afternoon gone...
Right, where is this impressive display of flues?
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Faversham area?
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Is it a railway station?
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Not Faversham, some way west(ish)
Also not a railway building of any sort.
South of M20
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i will pass on this one as I am off line this week.Good Hunting :)
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I did wonder about Igtham Mote, but I can't find the view on GSV or the NT.
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Not
Ightham either. East (ish)
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Yalding area?
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Not Yalding either…
The building is not isolated, lots of newer ones surround it.
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Small, easily overlooked 13th Century castle, with Tudor additions, and parish church not far away.
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Allington Castle?
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Not Allington, JW.
Stay in the general area of the Medway Valley.
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An unusual angle of Hever Castle?
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Gone too far away JW, Allington was much closer.
The Castle is hidden from the road, partly behind the church. CofE school opposite the church, the road alongside the school eventually brings you to our building.
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Boughton Monchelsea Place?
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‘Fraud not JW. You need to go NEish.
There is a good reason that the pic is cropped at its base…
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‘Fraud not JW. You need to go NEish.
There is a good reason that the pic is cropped at its base…
NEish takes me away from the Medway Valley or am I misunderstanding it?
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Medway valley to me (probably just me) extends all the way out to the Medway Towns. Maybe Medway Gap is more correct? Martin will no doubt correct me 😁
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Upchurch?
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Eh? John - I'm no expert on Kent. I only moved here to chase a job for a couple of years before heading back to my homeland in the North. Something went a little awry with the timing though, "a couple of years" has stretched to nigh-on 40.
Looking at the map of the major rivers of Kent on the wikipedia page for the River Medway, I'd say the Medway valley is everywhere north of the High Weald in eastern Kent (apart from a strip of the Darent) and across past Headcorn nearly to Ashford. North of the Medway Gap you could cavil about he word "valley", it's really the North Kent Plain, except where it's the mud originally from the Medway Valley!
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Early clue was South of M20, so certainly not Upchurch!
Allington was a good start, go west (very ish), but not too far.
Breaking news…
Google Maps doesn’t name the castle! And the lane alongside the school no longer reaches our building, that now involves going a road further along and then round the houses, quite literally.
Moral don’t rely on older memories, roads change, the one past the church was a main A road, now it’s 20mph.
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Early clue was South of M20, so certainly not Upchurch!
Whoops - I forgot that clue when map surfing - must pay more attention! :-[
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The Old Rectory, Oxley Shaw Lane, West Malling? Looks like a restaurant now. Only found it as I spotted Castle Way and Castle Lake nearby.
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I think that there is a little confusion here. John Walker has certainly identified the photo, https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3011444,0.4249468,3a,75y,267.61h,92.52t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_HIcnIiIqILI3ZvGvkBZ3g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D_HIcnIiIqILI3ZvGvkBZ3g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D170.35527%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3011444,0.4249468,3a,75y,267.61h,92.52t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_HIcnIiIqILI3ZvGvkBZ3g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D_HIcnIiIqILI3ZvGvkBZ3g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D170.35527%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
However the clues point to a rather different place, Leybourne Castle hidden behind St Peter & St Paul on Castle Way (was main road, now 20mph). Church school opposite the church. From the aerial view https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3042841,0.4215891,101m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3042841,0.4215891,101m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) you can clearly see the gatehouse to the north of the property and even a slight crop marking for the original curtain wall and moat to the west. The extended features are more clearly seen on the official listing: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1363097?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1363097?section=official-list-entry), where there is also a nice photo showing the gatehouse remains.
Location information:
- Address: Leybourne Castle, Castle Way, West Malling
- Nat Grid: TQ 68866 58910
- Nearest Post Code: ME19 5HE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'15"N,000°25'16"E or 51.304262322316454,0.4211170481653
- Address: Oxley Shaw Lane
- Nat Grid: TQ 69105 58577
- Nearest Post Code: ME19 5PU
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'04"N,000°25'28"E or 51.30120,0.42438
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Got it!
It really is an old rectory, I checked on old OS maps, and Rectory Lane led to it from next to the school.
In recent years it has traded as “Henry’s Table”, “Chimneys” (very appropriate) and now back to “The Old Rectory”.
Used the old A228 a lot in the 70s and early 80s, worked in Snodland with the company fuel account in Larkfield. I then lived in Larkfield for about 3yrs, doubled my money on the house and moved to Grafty Green for the next 32yrs. Work and leisure meant that I drove these roads a lot over the years, we even had a firm’s Xmas “Do” at Chimneys.
Carry on JW😀
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Sorry for confusion Martin, I was using the Castle and church to point to their associated rectory, which was the subject of the photo, cropped to avoid the instantly revealing pub sign.
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Thanks JohnFilmer
I did spot the castle that MartinR mentioned but the chimneys didn't match up. (Image attached). It would have been a good GTP.
Next one up shortly.
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OK, confusion was in my mind.
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Right - here we go. Next one.
Where and what is this?
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Millpond?
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Not a mill pond JohnFilmer.
There is a mill and mill pond quite close.
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Not far from a large town and even closer to a village on the edge of that town.
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Is the town Maidstone?
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Not Maidstone - head SW
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Pembury Water Treatment Works?
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You have it Beachbum. Over to you...
There's quite an impressive Water Treatment Plant at one end. The reservoir is fed by the Alder Stream which flows to the River Medway. It's prone to cause flooding in the Five Oak Green area at times.
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Well done Beachbum. I never knew that was there, and I've driven along the A228 often enough. Camera position:
- Nat Grid: TQ 62931 42584
- Nearest Post Code: TN2 4AR
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°09'34"N,000°19'43" or 51.159311,0.328634
@John - is it wastewater (presumably a polite term for sewerage) of is it part of the water supply?
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@John - is it wastewater (presumably a polite term for sewerage) of is it part of the water supply?
It's part of the water supply MartinR. It reads like it's the main supply for Tunbridge Wells.
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Thanks John Walker and MartinR, it's good to be back and getting the Brain cell searching.
Next one caught my eye and some nice thatching........
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Thanet?
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Yes Stewie, it is in Thanet
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Another photo
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Margate?
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Right area Stewie
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I've found it. Very impressive thatch. I'll hold back as I had the last GTP. Enjoy the search chaps.
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Another Clue, close to a Bridge 8)
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Next to a main road
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If you drive into Margate via Birchington, you will see the Fox on the Roof ;D
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190 Canterbury Road, Garlinge, Margate
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Well done Local Hiker, it is the right Building. The actual address is number 1 Bridge Road (hence the clue) on the corner of Canterbury Road.
Over to you..........
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Thank you Beachbum. I am not familiar with it, but googling fox on a thatched roof soon drilled down onto the property.
I took the next one on the way to the optician 2 weeks ago. (not a clue, just a statement of fact.)
It caught my eye so I snapped it. I did not have GTP in mind at the time.
I have obscured the writing over the door for now, bit too much of a clue.
I am standing on the site of a Tuesday and Saturday weekly market, just to help get things going.
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Found it after searching market locations - a very helpful clue.?
Rose Street, Sheerness? I don't think the building is still a church. Possibly a community centre?
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Spot on and good detectiving.
I did some browsing to give some history when it was guessed, but there is not much on the internet.
It is called Hare Street Hall, and is currently 4 leasehold flats internally. Hare Street ran in front of it where the car park now is, but is not annotated on modern maps.
The Bethel religion seems to have several different sects and groups with such a name, so I cannot reference anything too specific about that either. The various groups are globally located, not just in the UK.
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Thanks LocalHiker. An interesting GTP. I wasn't sure what the Bethel name was, I could only just make it out on Google.
Next one up soon.
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An interesting site. There are two Sunday Schools and a chapel there, all labelled "Bethel". To "begin at the beginning"; Bethel was a place, later city mentioned several times in the Bible. The name itself means "House of God". For more details see Wikipedia.1 As well as a few smaller sects incorporating the name Bethel, it was used simply as a name for various chapels, principally "dissenters" aka Free Church. Just as you might have "St John's" CofE you could have "Bethel" Congregational. Indeed this seems to be the case in Sheerness. It appears from scanty information that William Shrubsole2 was a preacher at Bethel Chapel, Sheerness.3 Historic England has a photo dating from 2003 which shows the Hope Street church as United Reformed Church.4 the URC was formed from the 1972 union of the Presbyterian and Congregational Churches.
GSV today shows "The Church in Hope Street" as the name above the door. The foundation stones date this building to 1882, so it is not the one that Shrubsole knew. Next door is a Sunday School (see below) of 1832 and from the way the chapel overlaps the school and from the generally higher quality brickwork, this would indicate that the chapel is a rebuild. The Sunday School in Hope Street is a listed building.5 Both the quick reference map and the full scale map do show Spring Garden Passage and Hare Street. From GSV the stone above the doorway reads "Bethel Chapel Sunday School 1832". Going around the back (courtesy of GSV) shows obviously modern extensions to the Sunday School and Chapel with the labels "The Church in Hope Street", "The Hope Street Centre" and "The Lighthouse Coffee Shop".
Turning 90° to the left right, brings up the building that Local Hiker found. I can't find a date on this, but from the style and brickwork it is nearer in date to the Chapel than to the other Sunday School. The map that historic England uses for the search facility shows the building as a "Factory". If anyone is near there and can look at the foundation stones and inscription above the doorway, I'd be interested.
My understanding of this site:
1784: the first Chapel was built.
1787: the existing Chapel was extended.
1832: the Hope St Sunday School was built. This might have replaced an earlier Sunday School.
1882: the existing chapel was demolished and the new chapel built.
c.1882: the new Schoolroom was built.
20C: the new Schoolroom was sold off or rented out for use as a factory.
late 20C/21C: the new Schoolroom is converted into flats and sold.
late 20C/21C: the old Schoolroom and Chapel have new extensions built at the rear, and the orientation changed to make this the front.
1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel)
2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shrubsole_(minister) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shrubsole_(minister))
3https://wellcomecollection.org/works/vvkg2fqc (https://wellcomecollection.org/works/vvkg2fqc)
4https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/bethel-chapel-sunday-school-hope-street-sheerness-5039 (https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/bethel-chapel-sunday-school-hope-street-sheerness-5039)
5https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1273419?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1273419?section=official-list-entry)
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I've just found out a little more:
"After serving Sheerness for 175 years it looked as if our United Reformed Church, with a dwindling congregation and crumbling foundations, would have to close. Yet a decade or more on and £1.5 million in fundraising later our beautiful little church has been restored to its former glory and in addition a purpose built community hub has been established."1
I haven't got a precise date on that, but if it is based on the old schoolroom date of 1832, then 175 years takes us to 2007.
"While the building work was being carried out worshippers turned to the town’s Methodist church for a place to pray. The friendship grew so strong that the two groups have returned to the new church together. An ecumenical partnership formed and the two denominations continue to walk in faith and worship together."1
So the Chapel is nor a "Local Ecumenical Project" (LEP) and is both Sheerness' Methodist and URC churches.
1https://thechurchinhopestreet.wordpress.com/blog-2/ (https://thechurchinhopestreet.wordpress.com/blog-2/)
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Thanks for all that info that you've researched MartinR. Once again, I've learned from GTP.
My next GTP will be up this evening.
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Next GTP
Where and what is this building?
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Religious?
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Religious?
Yes, but appears to be multi-purpose now. Part of a much bigger building.
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Free church (aka Methodist, URC, Baptist etc)?
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Free church (aka Methodist, URC, Baptist etc)?
Part of a former Congregational Church but now an independent church run by the local community. Being run by the community, the building, which is quite large has other functions.
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Short answer: originally the schoolroom of the Congregational Chapel in Union Road, Deal, and now part of the buildings of the Landmark Centre.
The first Congregational Chapel (known as the "Meeting House") was built in 1681. This building was pulled down and replaced by a new, larger, 500-seater chapel in 1803 which in turn was pulled down and replaced by the current building in 1882.1
The Sunday School was first built in 1810, then rebuilt in 1875. It was extended to its current form in 1909 as can just be made out on the foundation stone between the central window (GSV).
The 1892-1914 OS 25" map (this sheet revised 1897, published 1898) shows the Chapel and the rear door (to the vestry) which is the door on the left of the GTP photo. The small window to the right of the door shows similar characteristics to the main chapel, and quite different to the new schoolroom. Examination of the brickwork on this lower roofed section also indicates that this was the original vestry. The map shows three small premises where the schoolroom now stands.
The Congregational Chapel closed in 1974 and the building became redundant. It is now the Landmark Centre run by the Deal & Walmer Community Association. A new floor has been put in at gallery level to convert the main body of the chapel into two halls.3 It provides "a community cafe, a community pub/bar, three Halls for hire (two with bars), a lounge with pool and darts (also with a bar), meeting rooms and training rooms".2 The CA website continues: "The Centre, home to organisations such as Deal Radio and the Rotary Pirates, has rooms hired by a wide range of interest groups, societies, health and well-being focussed groups and is available for private hire. Weddings, parties, festivals, conferences, exhibitions, markets and other types of events are all welcome.".2 One user of the centre is Christ Church Deal. This is an independent church founded in 1998.4 After temporary locations elsewhere, the group now meets at the Centre.3
I'm afraid I won't be able to put up the next GTP until tomorrow evening.
1https://familiesofdealandwalmer.co.uk/the-congregational-church/ (https://familiesofdealandwalmer.co.uk/the-congregational-church/)
2https://www.dwchamber.co.uk/the-landmark-centre/ (https://www.dwchamber.co.uk/the-landmark-centre/)
3https://christchurchdeal.org.uk/about-us/landmark-centre/ (https://christchurchdeal.org.uk/about-us/landmark-centre/)
4https://christchurchdeal.org.uk/about-us/our-history/ (https://christchurchdeal.org.uk/about-us/our-history/)
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Well done MartinR - that was quick. Far more info that I was able to find too.
Over to you when you're ready.
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Sorry for the delay. I'm just in the process of moving from one desktop/server machine to another. Currently I'm using the browser on the new machine and all my pictures are on the old/failing machine. I'll endeavour to get something up this evening.
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OK, a quick one here. It's more of a race than a real GTP, but I'm still reconfiguring.
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That's an interesting one.
The only structure I can recall like that is next to the Chatham Historical Dockyard but I have no idea what it is.
Is it in the process of being built or being demolished?
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I walk past it every Monday so won't compete this one. :)
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It is interesting John. You've got the right structure, but your second question is a leading one!
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Think there were plans to turn it into a 'drive in' cinema a few years ago! The steel work has been touched up with anti rust paint in the last couple of weeks.
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It is interesting John. You've got the right structure, but your second question is a leading one!
It seems to have been like that for quite a few years. I've noticed it when I visited the dockyard over the years but I wasn't sure if was the structure in your photo.
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Number 8 Machine Shop was originally a dry dock cover in Woolwich Dockyard and was moved to Chatham. Its current location is somewhere to preserve it, not its original location at Chatham. It is one of those historic artefacts that attracts lots of big ideas and speculation on what to do with it, but little genuine interest or funding.
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It is interesting John. You've got the right structure, but your second question is a leading one!
It seems to have been like that for quite a few years. I've noticed it when I visited the dockyard over the years but I wasn't sure if was the structure in your photo.
A better location would have been within Chatham Historic Dockyard perhaps?
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Spot on Local Hiker.
The official listing1 describes the move in 1880 but seems to imply that it was used as a machine shop on its present site. Remember that the whole of the basins and St. Mary's Island were within the Dockyard until it closed. The listing date is 1984 which is when the Dockyard closed. It forms a pair with the Dockside Outlet, which is housed in the former boilershop, itself a listed building.2 Indeed, the official listings for both cross-reference to the other. Mentioning the Outlet, next time you are in it look how all the modern structure is clamped to the original, never bolted or welded.
1https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1267822?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1267822?section=official-list-entry)
2https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1267821?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1267821?section=official-list-entry)
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Agree with you both. Difficult to see it being reused. Ironically, for an 1840s design it's so amazingly advanced that it doesn't look very remarkable to modern eyes.
I could imagine it enclosed by, or enclosing, some new glass or wood eco-architecture corporate HQ or arts centre. If it were in Copenhagen or Seattle anyway, there's no budget or appetite for that sort of thing here.
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Gentle nudge to Local Hiker? ;)
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John Walker guessed it; I was only providing information after his correct guess. That is why I have not continued the game, I did not realise I was seen as the winner of the last one. John should have it.
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John located it, but didn't know what it was, you provided the details, hence "Spot on Local Hiker". Do you have anything ready?
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I will post to move things on then, thank you.
I visited here back in June. Remember those warm long sunny days?
Unfortunately, I did not realise that it would be locked and that you had to collect the key from a local retailer, so I did not see inside that day.
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Thanks for taking the mantle Local Hiker.
I'll pass on this one as I know it - wouldn't be a guess.
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Is it the isolated church near Challock?
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Sorry, been out of sorts, yes, Challock
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... pronounced Chollock, apparently.
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If that's the one to the south of the village it's dedication is to "St Cosmas & St Damian's Church". Location information:
- Nat Grid: TR0114349196
- Nearest Post Code: TN25 4DB
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°12'24"N,000°52'41"E or 51.20655,0.87812
Grade II* listed, listing at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1185088?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1185088?section=official-list-entry)
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There is more information here... http://www.challock.org/churches/challock-church
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A church I knew nothing about previously. The info from Local Hiker indicates that Challock Village was originally near the church. I wonder if anything remains.
The first photo shows just how remote the church is now. The second shows marks in the field next to the church - could they be from the original village?
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The marks could be either field boundaries or tracks. That they line up with many features makes it very likely that they have some significance.
I read about the church when I saw a sign for it some years ago and wondered why it was where it was. Not every village church is in the centre of the present village, St Mary at Newington is a good example, only now are houses coming back close to it, the rest of the village is along the A2. Same for Teynham, and many others. Plenty of GTP opportunities :)
Meanwhile, here's one I prepared earlier. The building still exists, with pub signage, but it seems dead, or at least dormant.
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East Kent ?
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Mid Kent, north of M20
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Wormshill area?
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Mr Google reckons that you could reach here from Wormshill in 7-8miles, depending on route.
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Plough and Harrow, Bredgar? Not an exact match but it might have been changed.
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I will confess to having spent a fair bit of my (lost) youth in the Sun at Bredgar, but the Plough and Harrow is not a pub in that village to my knowledge.
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A quick visit to the Dover pubs site, and yes there was a Plough and Harrow at Silver Street/Gore Road in Bredgar, but that closed many moons ago. The subject of the guess was certainly trading only recently and still has its name displayed.
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That's the Harrow at Warren Street ,up in the sticks near Lenham. havent visited lately but thin it is still trading.
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The Harrow it is, grandarog.
It looked very uninviting, unkempt bushes and a general air of being unmaintained when I have driven past lately, it’s one of the routes we use to and from the A20 when heading east.
Time will tell. It always was a bit of an anachronism, an upbeat pub restaurant and hotel stuck on top of the Downs with a lack of local or passing trade.
Over to you.
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Thanks johnfilmer :) Usually use Bredgar /Hollingbourne route so haven't been that way for a few years.
Try this one .Taken a few years ago on a trip for the G Kids.
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Maidstone?
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Further East than Maidstone.
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Is this at a visitor attraction?
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Yes.
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Chilham Castle ?
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Keep going you are not there yet.
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Which Warren Street?
It doesn't help that there are two Warren Streets in the vicinity of Lenham! The first I found extends down from the end of Waterditch Rd past a cattery and Waggy's Dog Grooming to the Bowl Inn. I've been up and down a couple of times on GSV but couldn't find a match. Eventually I stumbled across the other Warren Street at the other end of Waterditch Road leading into the hamlet of Warren Street itself. At least this one had (nearly) a Harrow Inn that looked vaguely like the GTP piccy posted. I assume that this is the correct one, in which case:
- Address: Hubbards Hill, Warren St, Warren Street, Maidstone ME17 2ED
- Nat Grid: TQ 92667 52907
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'34"N,000°45'32" 51.24280,0.75893
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Walmer Castle?
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Main Entrance
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Spot on Beachbum, thanks for posting photo.
Your turn now. :)
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Thanks grandarog, an interesting feature......
Next one................
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I walked through there recently, so can't join in this one. It wouldn't really be a guess.
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Same as John Walker, Ate our picnic packed lunch there on a day out .
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Quay Lane, Sandwich?
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Well done johnfilmer, it is Fisher Gate on the Quay at Sandwich
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Thanks Beachbum, I just thought that it looked like Sandwich so went looking for a gatehouse - bingo! Pure luck.
Don't worry it doesn't happen often :D
Meanwhile... I have gone back to my old OS maps clues. This dates from 1906/8, and the distinctive road shape is still there on Google Maps, although street view, less so. So the question is - which church is it?
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Not found anything yet, but from the topography I'd guess North Kent coastal plain. The land dips from
left to right to left apart from the sheepwash which the road goes around. That appears to be on a small valley. Height around the sheepwash is near enough 42' which is 14 yards, say around 12m for those of a continental persuasion. Downstream of the sheepwash is what looks like a strip of bog with a stream emerging at the top - when this gets to sea level is it the head of a creek?
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MartinR you are getting good at this...
Yes it is North Kent.
The water does eventually emerge as a creek, but goes through other adventures on the way ::)
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It’s gone quiet, so to sum up, it’s north Kent, with a stream that runs through to a creek via some other water features.
The church is of considerable size, it is not a simple chapel.
The modern road follows the maps footpath, but the loop around the pond remains, although no longer a public road.
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Should we be searching the River Darewnt? It seems to fit your clues but I can't find the loop and church along it so far.
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The Church is St Mary the Virgin. The road is Iwade Road. The settlement is the northern extension of Newington across the Railway. The "other water feature" are watercress beds NNE of the church and the creek is Halstow Creek which flows into Stangate Creek and hence the Medway.
EDIT: The location of the sheepwash at the top of the water feature is:
- Nat Grid: TQ 86262 65246
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 7HZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°21'21"N,000°40'25"E or 51.35575,0.67371
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You have it all sorted out MartinR.
The Church’s full title when I was Head Chorister (1964) was St Mary the Virgin, Newington-next-Sittingbourne.
Over to you.
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Next one following shortly.
BTW, there used to be a lot of places named XXX-next-YYY and addresses like 123 main road, Somevillage, near sometown, county. The "next"s and "near"s seem to have vanished with the prevalence of post-codes, I've no idea if they are connected by the timing seems to be accurate.
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I think that postcodes have removed many address issues.
Sticking with Newington, in the 60s we had to use “near Sittingbourne “ otherwise it could easily go to Thanet.
Here near Doddington I have problems with eBay, who do not put enough address info on the main listing. I sold a couple of large, collection only items, and both purchasers thought we were in Lincolnshire. Tried getting around that by using location as Sittingbourne only for a purchaser from Sheppey to have a whinge…
They made finding out where jobs were a dream, especially rural addresses and GSV when it previously was advisable to take your own secateurs and torch to uncover the house name :o
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This is of the nature of an experiment, and one to get your brain cells working! Having solved one of John's maps, I though I'd see how well you could do with the water. The enclosed is taken from a modern chart, but you'll notice I've removed all the interesting names. :-)
Have a go all!
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Quick stab in the muddy waters.
The Swale at the mouths of Faversham and Oare Creek?
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That looks like a pub top left, with a clear path across between the moorings, so Harty Ferry fits with your guess JW.
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Ah well, that went faster than expected. Oare Creek doesn't appear, it joins Faversham Creek further south. John F's contribution is also correct, I left it there on purpose. I'm guessing that you are aware of the history of Harty Ferry, if not there is a short summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harty).
The "XXXX sands" dead centre are actually the "Horse Sands". They dry at low water (26 means a drying height of 2.6m) but are covered at high water, a nice trap for the unwary. A year or two back I set off with my wife and one son in our 2.4m dinghy from Hart Ferry. As we crossed the sands a head popped up to look at us, so I cut the power and we started seal watching. A few minutes later up popped a slightly smaller head and both swam around about 50' away. Then a smaller head popped as well and came within 25' of the boat, playing and looking at us with curiosity. After at least a quarter of an hour we gently moved off. A couple of hours later we came back and by now the tide was ebbing. there on the sands were the three seals sunning themselves: Dad, Mum and pup.
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Are we all waiting for each other?
My understanding is that JW guessed correctly, and I just agreed with him citing the confirming indications of Harty Ferry.
So I think it should be over to JW.
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That's also my understanding. JW located it and won, JF added some further information.
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Thanks MartinR
I was lucky with that one. My first thought of waters that went East West was the Swale. Other map detail led me to Haty Ferry area. Some more GTPs on waterways would be good.
Next one. What and where?
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East Kent? Maybe Canterbury?
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East Kent? Maybe Canterbury?
East Kent but not Canterbury.
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That is the old George Inn, now George House, The Mall, Faversham.
I think i have said before that the brain is an incredible thing. I recognised the photo immediately but have not walked past it more than twice, and then only in the dark.
DTT
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That is the old George Inn, now George House, The Mall, Faversham.
I think i have said before that the brain is an incredible thing. I recognised the photo immediately but have not walked past it more than twice, and then only in the dark.
DTT
Well done DTT. I really thought that would have lasted longer as it's tucked out of the way. The arch on the right is the entrance to the subway for Faversham Station.
Over to you
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Originally there was a level crossing where the subway is now, removed when the station was extended. Hence the road that loops around under a bridge to replace the access.
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Thanks JW. Sorry for slow upload. We had a meeting at my daughter's school last night. Options evening! Yikes, where did that time go.
Now, where is this?
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Looking at the staggered platforms, its somewhere on the former South Eastern Railway network?
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It is Stewie, a disused station. On South Eastern Main Line.
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Lyminge?
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Not Lyminge JW, but you are not that far away. I would say in the broad area just too far East by a bit.
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The other one that comes to mind is Sandling Park Junction?
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You need to be heading West, JW.
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I found it, but have had a couple of goes recently, I’ll wait it out.
Surprisingly it doesn’t appear in either the KentRail or Closed Station websites. How strange.
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Because it is a railway question I feel honour bound to have a go! Is it the old station at Smeeth?
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Well done Stewie, it is Smeeth.
As JW says, it does not appear on disused-stations.org which is most odd. The house in the photo is still there, and is known as Park Wood Cottage. It now hosts bird-of-prey events. The alignment of the road is the same as it was in the picture although the line has been doubled with the high speed service running next to it. And finally the convertor station at Sellindge is close by.
Over to you Stewie.
DTT
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Thanks DaveTheTrain the the SER lineage gave me a good clue, and after that it was a case of narrowing down!
Now for something completely different and yet also the same, sticking with railways, which station in Kent is this a model of? I have some clues ready should the trail go cold.
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The most similar looking ones I could find to that clapboard style were at Hythe and at Sandgate, but both of those were long-gone before the MGB era.
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Hythe Station photo attached
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Well done Beachbum, it is indeed a model of Hythe. I saw it at the Faversham model railway show and was quite impressed. I was going to add that there was another station about a mile and a half away as a first clue! Over to you.
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That's a very good model, comparing it to the photo shows how well researched it was.
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I also saw the model at Faversham, very impressive.
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Jackie Paper gets the credit for finding this one, I just added the photo............
This line shut in 1951 and the MGB started in 1951.
I owned a House that was built on this line and coverments were registered to Southern Railways
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The owner said that one of the houses that formed part of the model near to the station remained in use today. It was just over a mile from the RH&DR station by foot I believe. Next time I am in the area I was going to take a quick look. :)
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Jackie is right, the MGB is out of its time, being made from 1962. Even its predecessor the MGA didn’t begin production until 1955.
Before that you have the prewar style TD & TF.
I’ll just go and adjust my anorak….
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Jackie is right, the MGB is out of its time, being made from 1962. Even its predecessor the MGA didn’t begin production until 1955.
Before that you have the prewar style TD & TF.
I’ll just go and adjust my anorak….
It is a model JohnFilmer, its not as serious as if they had the wrong locomotive or livery for the period! :)
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Stewie, as someone who runs Hornby Dublo 3rail, rivet counting in all its forms is not important to me ::)
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I've just been looking at the Smeeth station site and I beg to differ slightly with Dave the Train. The best source for comparison is the 25" 1892-1914 OS map which shows the original layout. Using the National Library of Scotland site it can be overlaid with today's topography and close comparisons made.¹ For slightly higher definition, GSV is, as always, available.²
- The road has been realigned and a new bridge put in. The new road is 20m west of the old alignment at the bridge. The new stretch starts from the falconry centre and rejoins the old alignment at the T junction on the eased right-angle turn.
- The old road is now private and gated at the junction. The signage shows Aldington Storage Reservoir, North Gate and MVAS - private fishing. In GSV the old road can be seen swinging roughly NbyE up to the railway. Joining it is a track to 51.10754,0.95380 where the old level crossing was.
- The cottages shown in the photo have disappeared, where they were is the cutting for the new line. Park Wood Cottage (where the falconry centre is) is extant, but is the building at 51.10798,0.95462, just to the north of where the level crossing was.
As far as I can tell the camera was at (first two read off the 25" map, second two converted):
- Nat'l grid: TR 06926 38378
- Coords: 51.107335, 0.954571
- Post code: TN25 6GB
- Coords: 51°06'26"N,000°57'16"E
¹https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.3&lat=51.10829&lon=0.95395&layers=168&b=1
²https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.1079649,0.9518813,178a,53.5y,2.94t/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu
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Hythe station was at:
- Nat'l grid: TR 16799 35330
- Co-ords: 51.076324, 1.093573
- Post code: CT21 5XR
- Co-ords: N51:04:35 E1:05:37
It is indeed an exceptional model, I could even work out from the 25" 1892-1914 OS map where the camera was!
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OK then, I'll take that one, even though I'd reasoned myself out of it via anachronistic details. At least it wasn't a Tesla.
A quickie. Where were we taking a breather on our bikes here on a misty morning?
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Whitstable area?
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That's a steep beach! How about Dungeness?
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You’d pass here if you sailed from Whitstable to Dungeness…
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Cape Wrath? ;)
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More seriously, Isle of Thanet?
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I'm thinking it's taken by the remains of Sandown Castle at the Thanet end of Deal?
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I think its Lydd, just trying to place it accurately.
DTT
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John Walker is correct.
Sandown Castle outlook point, Deal. There had been some big seas the previous night and the beach was piled up. Not sure how that lone camper in his tent enjoyed his night.
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Thanks Jackie Paper
The beach at Deal has got to be one of the steepest around.
I remember a family trip to Deal as a seaside treat. My visions of paddling were soon dashed when we saw how quickly the sea got deep. Fortunately, a trip to the Rotunda amusement park soon made up for the disappointment.
Next one up soon.
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If I've got the right place, the location is:
- Nat Grid: TR 37582 54334
- Nearest Post Code: CT14 6QU
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'19"N,001°24'08"E or 51.2386857,1.4022532
Judging from the shadows it must have been very late morning!
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Next GTP
I thought I still had an image ready but it turns out it was the one I just used. So, pinching JohnFilmer's idea.
Where is this? The road and field boundaries are still very similar today.
A place with an unusual name. Other clues to follow if nobody gets it straight away.
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Romney Marshes?
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Donkey Street?
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Yes, to Romney Marshes MartinR
Donkey Street - spot on John Filmer.
Wil be interested to learn how you both homed in on it so quick.
Over to you John Filmer
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I looked at the spot heights along the road (10', 9', 10', 9', 8', 9', 8', 8'), the spot height in the field right on the left (9') and the benchmark on Eaton Farm (10.4', but possibly up a wall). the area was therefore flat and very low lying. North Kent generally has a gentle slope to the north, so my guess was Romney Marsh.
Well done John.
Location of the sheepfold, nearly dead centre:
- Nat Grid: TR 10907 32263
- Nearest Post Code: TN29 0JW
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°03'04"N,001°00'28"E or 51.050975,1.007791
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The sharp bends in the road often go with marshy terrain.
Then I thought about where an old work colleague and friend, later to become a supplier rep, used to live out on the Marsh. Lots of bends and the clue about a funny name, where did Colin live… Donkey Street!
Next one soon.
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Good detective skills by you two. :)
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My Internet problem seems to have gone away all by itself (probably the off/on sequence that conquers all) so here we are again :D
I did think to use a combination of OS map with coastal bits, but gave up trying to find a suitable site - there will be one out there. The trouble with adding railways is that narrows it down quite a lot, so gave up on railway, coast all on one.
So, and now for something etc etc
Where is this hanger?
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Looks like Lashenden Airfield,Headcorn .
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It does, but it's not.
Many miles away to the North(ish)
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Medway Microlights at Burrows Lane, Rochester
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Grr, I'd looked at the airfield earlier and the gate at the end of Burrows Lane but had totally missed the structure housing (according to GSV) J.M.S Horseboxes. Well done Beachbum, it looks good to me I assume John will confirm it shortly. If we are both correct then here is the location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 83175 75321
- Nearest Post Code: ME3 9RN
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°26'50"N,000°38'05"E or 51.44725,0.63462
A bit more information: Medway Microlights was taken over by The Light Aircraft Company (TLAC) in November 2018. TLAC are based in Norfolk. At some point before 21 April 2022 J.M.S.Horseboxes started working out of the building with their name above the door.
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That’s the place Beachbum ;)
I found it when looking for the coastal map idea, and was going to tie it into the RNAS balloon hangers at Kingsnorth as a clue.
Over to you…
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Thanks johnfilmer.
The next one for you.............
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Pass for now ,interesting place.
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Just realised that I know this place. It was the final destination of a scout group hike. I'll hold back as it won't be a 'guess'.
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This was said to be erected for the owner to observe his ships
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On a "Hill".........
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I think that's Holly Hill Tower, Hernhill, Kent. Very nearly invisible on GSV, but clear on the pre-WWI 25" OS map.
- National Grid Ref: TR 07651 60604
- co-ords: 51.306655, 0.977767
A bit about it at: https://thefollyflaneuse.com/holly-hill-tower-hernhill-kent/ (https://thefollyflaneuse.com/holly-hill-tower-hernhill-kent/)
Official listing at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1107173?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1107173?section=official-list-entry). From the quick reference map it is clear that the tower is near the summit or a ridge of Holly Hill with the land falling away to the north and to the west.
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Spot on MartinR and thanks for the information, over to you........
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Try this map one:
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I knew these would come back to haunt me :-\
Heights removed, lots of orchards and drainage (?) ditch and pond.
Mid Kent?
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Head north.
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Struggling with this one - still searching. :)
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Found it. Trinity Church, Milton.
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You've got it John. More details about the church will follow when I feel a little better.
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Right, a bit more information about Milton church.
The cross above the legend "Grave Yard" indicates an antiquity. In this case Roman remains have been found in the graveyard. The church itself incorporates Roman work. It is reputed to have been a pagan religious site before the Christians took over, but I've not found any hard evidence to support that. However a large stone near the entrance to the church is reputed to be a pagan altar stone.
The church is the third oldest in Kent, dating from a few years after the coming of St. Augustine in 597. Local claims are that is was actually founded by Augustine. The original part of the church is now the nave. the church was extended in the 11th and 14th centuries. Locals will inform you that when the church was being extended it was decided to move it into the centre of the village which had itself moved to higher ground. The tale continues that each time a stone was moved from the church to the village, it magically went back over night. Augustine had had decided where the church would be, and he would make sure it stayed there!
The tower is the largest in Kent, and the third largest in England in girth. The ringing chamber is 25' square, and the walls are 4' thick. At 78' high is is not exceptional, but the Ordnance Survey established a trig point at the top of the tower. There are 8 bells (tenor 9-2-24 in G). Bells 4-7 were cast in 1681, the tenor in 1890. The number 3 bell was a gift by J Dixon Esq in 1934 in memory of four local ringers killed in WWI. Bells 1 and 2 were cast in 2019.
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Thanks MartinR. I trust you are feeling better now.
That is certainly an interesting church. I've just looked it up on GSV and the tower looks enormous on there.
I always find Milton difficult to identify as it seems to have been suffocated by an ever-expanding Sittingbourne.
Next one up later.
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Older records will use Milton rather than Sittingbourne for location.
I’m not sure if the subtle encroachment was just natural expansion or driven by the Post Office, such as Teynham now used for Green Street, which is the A2 area. Of course New Brompton became engulfed by Gillingham, which also has crept out to Rainham and the other villages at the insistence of the postal service.
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Milton (aka Middletune [Mid-le-tun-e] or the middle town) was historically far more important than Sittingbourne. The Isles of Sheppey and Elmley fell within its manor (though Harty belonged to Faversham). Milton boasted a Portreve which meant that international trade could be carried out. The "Regis" of course means "King's", in other words the manor of Milton was a royal manor, the steward reporting directly to the King, not to a local Lord. In Elizabethan times Sittingbourne was knwon chiefly for its inns along the Watling Street. Gentlemen travelling along the Watling Street would lodge their servants in Sittingbourne, but themselves adjourne to Milton where the lodgings were of better quality.
The came the railway. Milton is on a hilltop, surrounded historically by marshes, not ideal for railway building. There was also local opposition to the building of the line. the line therefore followed the route of Watling Street, and hence the station and goods yard were at Sittingbourne. Industry grew up around the railway, and housing around the industry. Milton went into gentile decline, aided by the siltting up of the creek by effluent from the paper mills.
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The “effluent from the paper mill” gave Milton Creek a particularly strong obnoxious odour, especially in hot weather.
I travelled to school by bus and the stink could be horrendous even at the bus stop on the A2 at Chalkwell Road in 1958 and the good summer of 1959.
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I wonder what caused the odour at the mill in Milton?
I worked at Chartham Paper Mill and I don't recall any odour coming from there. The mill produced tracing and greaseproof papers and was partly built over the River Stour.
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I worked at Lloyds Mill in Sittingbourne during the summer of 69 (there’s a song about that 8)), by which time all had been sorted out at the creek a while before. My bus to school took me into the middle of Sittingbourne
High Street from 1962-9 and the smell had gone by then. I think that my early glimpse of the Creek was of white foam covering an unnatural blue liquid.
When I was there the mill was producing high quality cartridge paper, coated calendered papers for glossy magazines, and hardboard on a separate machine floor.
Edit… there is a Middletune Avenue in Milton, wondered where the name came from.
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That was an interesting and informative GTP :)
Next one - Easily seen on GSV
Where and what was it the entrance to?
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Entrance to St Mary’s, Eastwell?
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Entrance to St Mary’s, Eastwell?
Not there. Near a hospital.
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Is that a modern, still functioning, hospital or is it a historic hospital?
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A modern functioning hospital.
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A modern functioning hospital.
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
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I know it's fashionable to dish the NHS and I'm also very well aware that waiting times are far too long, however, the NHS generally and specifically both Maidstone Maritime and the Kent Oncology unit have kept me alive now for 5 years after diagnosis with aggressive metastatic prostrate cancer (oh and also dealt with a bladder tumour on the way). There most certainly are modern functioning hospitals.
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JohnFilmer and MartinR, I can see both your points. The staff are incredible especially when it comes to the more serious conditions. They've certainly looked after you MartinR and I'm sorry to learn of your illness. I hope they 'keep you alive' for many more years. With regard to your comment JohnFilmer, the current government's lack of support for the NHS, is not good enough, we deserve better. They appear to be hell-bent on making the NHS private in the long term. All very complicated as we never know the truth and whether media reporting is to be trusted these days.
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Sorry guys, my post was meant to be humourous not offensive.
Back at the plot, any further hints? Not got anywhere with it for the last hour.
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JohnFilmer, I didn't find it offensive as I guessed you meant the management of the NHS rather than the amazing guys at the coalface who have looked after MartinR so well.
Anyway -back to the GTP.
0.5 Km from a hospital
On one of the original routes to Dover.
Railway line 0.5 Km to the left of the photo
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Yoakley Almhouses at Margate?
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The image is taken on the Old Dover Road, Canterbury, and would appear to be the access to a substantial old “black and white “ building, on the corner of St Lawrence Forstal. Another entrance is blocked on the corner of the two roads.
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You have it JohnFilmer. :D Over to you.
Info from the Historic Canterbury website,
The wall is the remains of St. Lawrence House, or hospital, built in the reign of Stephen, by one of the abbots of St. Augustine's Monastery; it was abolished in the time of Mary, - on the pier of an old gateway is a half obliterated representation of St. Lawrence on a gridiron, attended by two men. 1838 directory
The hospital was founded by Hugh the Abbot of St. Augustine's in 1137, and he granted it 21 acres of land in Canterbury, as well as land in Chislet and in Sturry, it also had one mill.
Hamo, Lord Marourd, Blen, Lavington, Estrusted, Biersted, now called Brasted, Nettlested, Ditton, and other lands in the county of Kent was sheriff of that county at the time of the general survey, made by order of William the Conqueror, and entered in Doomsday-book, which is still preserved in the Exchequer. He continued sheriff to the middle of the reign of King Henry I. for in the year 1111, Hugh, Abbot of St. Augustine's, granted Bodesham and Smetheham to Hamo, and at the same time Hamo made a grant of other lands, in the town of Fordwich to the said Abbey. The records of Christ Church, Canterbury, and the deeds of the hospital of St. Laurence, prove, that one of the name of Hamo held the lands above-mentioned in the reigns of King Richard II. and King John.
(March 21, 1520) *from the will of Dame Elizabeth THURSTON of London, widow, late wife of Sir John Thurston, knight, citizen and alderman of London, deceased (formerly wife of Thomas Wymond). ....To Dame Amy my daughter, priores of St. Laurence in Canterbury, xlli. To buy lands for their sisterhood xxli. To the said Dame Amy a fetherbed, etc., brass and pewter set aside for her in a baskett, also a blak gowne furred with mynks, and a kirtell of chamlett, my bed in the chapel chamber with sparn of silke, etc.
http://www.machadoink.com/St%20Lawrences%20Hospital.htm (http://www.machadoink.com/St%20Lawrences%20Hospital.htm)
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I clicked on "Reply" and was informed that someone else had posted, so here is just a little supplementary information. The search map from Historic England marks the site with the legend "Hospital (site of)". More interestingly though, the garden wall you showed is listed grade II: " Part of the Mediaeval flint wall of St Lawrence's Priory. 6 ft high built of flint and reused masonry. Brick coping. Pointed arch with stone keystones to No 136". https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1260530?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1260530?section=official-list-entry).
Thanks for the good wishes, I should be good for at least a year yet, and if I'm really lucky I might make my three score years and ten in 3 years time. Just at the moment though the treatment each 4 weeks gives me extreme tiredness for a few days amongst other symptoms, so please excuse me being late to respond on occasion.
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Interesting, Proper History. I do wonder if there has been a comparable event to the dissolution of the monastries in this country. The upheaval was huge.
Meanwhile a simple couple of shops, but where? Photo from 1980s I believe.
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I will pass on this one.
The steps are still there, with railings nearly as old as the photo.
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Quick guess - Sutton Valence?
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I thought grandarog might get there PDQ.
Move north JW
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Rainham area?
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That’s the village, but where?
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124 High Street, Rainham. Next door to PHC Home care. The buildings along that row are in a poor state.
DTT
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Near enough for me, the two shops are now housing.
There used to be a wide range of shops along The Banks, that I knew that stretch of High Street as. I went to a barber somewhere along there in the 60s.
Over to you DTT.
Edit just noticed that this is my 1000 post!!
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Well done on your 1000th post JohnFilmer Number four in the top posters hall of fame :)
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i think looking back at the thread Martin got there first, Martin would you like to take it? You had the right answer before me.
Dave
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Dave, I just took Sutton Valance on the map, headed due north and suggested Rainham as a starting point. Hardly the right answer! If you've a problem finding a suitable image however, let me know and I'll step in as your "second".
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Thanks Martin, that is very good of you. I have one, and shall load it up when at home tonight (not allowed to upload from works laptop).
Thanks
DTT
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A seasonal offering. ;)
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I think I know that wall but I'll hold for now as I've recently put a couple up.
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Well it looks like the boundary wall of Weston Park as it passes through Weston-under-Lizard. However I suspect that western edge of Staffordshire may be a little out of area. ;D
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Well it looks like the boundary wall of Weston Park as it passes through Weston-under-Lizard. However I suspect that western edge of Staffordshire may be a little out of area. ;D
Its funny Martin, but I do now check that the postcard is from the area it purports to be. A quick google SV check this morning, and its still in Kent.
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I don't think it is where I thought it was - The long wall on the boundry of Eastwell Manor along the A251 Faversham Road. A GSV search doesn't show this view as far as I can see. The search continues.
East Kent?
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Not EK JW, other direction. I know what you mean about the Eastwell Manor Wall. I drive past it every work day on the school run.
This might have you stuffed ;)
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Headcorn area? (corn => stuffing?)
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Not Headcorn, Martin but you are getting closer. 7.8 miles as the crow flies from Headcorn to our location.
Clearly visible on Street View.
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Quick stab - Pye Corner?
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The wall on the right is gone, Vinters Park?, I think that it is the entrance to Turkey Mill off the A20 at Maidstone.
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Johnfilmer has is correctly, the Coachman's Cottage. Entrance to Turkey Mill, A20 Ashford Road, just outside of Maidstone.
A seasonal offering, that was stuffing you. etc. etc. were the clues.
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I'd never had got that one. Well done JohnFilmer :)
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I have driven past there countless times, even did a survey in that building, which was some sort of care worker organisation. The memory is defintely getting dimmer, as I recognised it straight away but the penny took a long time to drop as to where it is.
Back with the next one soon...
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Where is this High Street?
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Quick guess = Snodland?
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Gold Star for JW, Snodland it is, I guess about 1950ish.
I had lots of obscure clues ready as well! The High Street is unusual in that it is not the main through road, but runs at right angles to it.
So back to you.
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High Street? GSV calls it "Constitution Hill". Anyhow the view is towards the centre from just before "The Antiques Store" which in the original posting was a cinema. More or less the new build number 1.
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MartinR, GSV is pretty rubbish sometimes at where named sections of road change. Once again the Post Office has history in this regard. For over 30years we lived in Headcorn Road, but maps always put us in Lenham Road. Never did get a definitive answer as to where each finished and the other began.
If you street view the old cinema you will see the road name sign "High Street" to the right of the building as you look at it. Constitution Hill ran from there up and into Paddlesworth Road, but the junction with Birling Road was changed to make that the major(!) route so making Constitution Hill a dog leg.
The cinema was a Bingo Hall when we played with its old Potterton BOA oil boiler in the 1970s. The place was very run down, and getting paid was an adventure. Since been a Potterty shop and now an antique centre, which got itself on TV recently on one of the Antique Roadtrip programmes - I forget which.
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Thanks for the clarification, I was wondering about the house numbering and what you say makes sense of it.
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Thanks JohnFilmer. The view rang a bell from when I was searching Snodland in an earlier GTP.
The distinctive shape of the old cinema building gave me the answer.
Next one - where is this rather nice lych-gate?
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Got it, but others can find this
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East Kent ...
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I think that is the lych gate at Worth, St Peter and St Paul. Location of the lychgate is at:
- Nat Grid: TR 33648 56117
- Nearest Post Code: CT14 0DE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°15'23"N,001°20'50"E or 51.25631,1.34716
The lych gate is a grade II listed building, official listing https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1247858?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1247858?section=official-list-entry). For more information on the church see https://worthchurch.org/history-worth-church/ (https://worthchurch.org/history-worth-church/) and its listing (II*) at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1263919?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1263919?section=official-list-entry).
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Well done MartinR. Over to you :)
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Until I can get out a bit more, we'll have to put up with a map one. You'll notice that there are two blanked off labels, what I'm after is the larger label. I've even left the benchmark in for you, aren't I nice!
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Is this the North end of the Wansum Channel?
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No. Hints/directions will start tomorrow.
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Anything to do with gunpowder?
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Not that I'm aware of, but then there is a lot about Kent that I don't know.
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Sheppey?
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No, but very close.
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Is it The Lilies?
The Swale at Kemsley Mill.
Not much sign of the Coastguard Station. Perhaps a suggestion of a slipway.
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Bang on Jackie. Over to you.
It is indeed the Lillies, and the smaller blacked out name is Lily Creek. One little fact I meant to mention: it is here that the direction of buoyage changes. As you travel west along The Swale, red cans are on your left (port) and green cones on your right (starboard), however once past The Lillies red cans are to your right, and green cones to your left. Confuses trainee sailors like mad!
The map is the OS 6" County Series published between 1830s-1880s. This particular sheet is Kent XXI, Surveyed: 1865, Published: 1869. Pulling out slightly and with no blanking:
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That does seem confusing. I remember some clueless guy sailing round the island several times thinking he would get to Brighton or somewhere if he kept the shore on one side...
Looks interesting down there though. I'm hoping to walk that bit of the Saxon Shore way at some point.
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An indoor Guess the Place, open to the public.
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National Trust?
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Not National Trust.
It's going to cost you quite a lot if you want to visit.
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Got it 8) Others can keep looking...
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8)
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Just back from Sunny Scunthorpe ;D
I know this interesting place too so wouldn't be a guess.
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Ditto .Lets have some new blood guessing ,We don't Bite.(Unless you ask) :)
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Sorry grandarog, but I have not felt able to join in for sometime because subjects have either too many based in East Kent or too narrow in their subject matter. Being a West Kent person who has rarely travelled to the eastern half I am excluded from taking part as a result.
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Sorry grandarog, but I have not felt able to join in for sometime because subjects have either too many based in East Kent or too narrow in their subject matter. Being a West Kent person who has rarely travelled to the eastern half I am excluded from taking part as a result.
Hi Lutoman
I'll make sure my next one is in your neck of the woods :)
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So are we hunting for a castle or stately home in east Kent?
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A stately home with a connection to the Houses of Parliament.
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The Grange, Ramsgate. Augustus Pugin. Now a landmark trust rental property.
DTT
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Well done DTT. I'd have never found that in the proverbial month of Sundays. Location information:
- Address: 9, St Augustine's Rd, Ramsgate
- Nat Grid: TR 37645 64317
- Nearest Post Code: CT11 9NY
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°19'42"N,001°24'35"E or 51.328266,1.409790
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An amazing place. I was fortunate to go there on one of their open days a few years back. Must be quite something to stay there. This is a photo I took during my visit. Pugin's church next door is also worth a visit.
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I recognised the wallpaper.Racked brains and remembered the The Grange had been featured in a programme about Putin on the Tv a couple of weeks ago. :)
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Was "forward" Pugin's motto, or just an affection?
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Let us remember that one derivation of 'Forward' in Latin would be 'Deinceps', whilst 'En Avant' (Pugin's motto) means 'Ahead'
I was dealing with the building prior to its restoration, so was very interested to see the place both before and after when I visited it a few years back. I think I still have some fragments of 'Pugin' wallpaper about my office somewhere.
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"The Grange" was scheduled for demolition some time in the 1990's but was saved and restored.
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That is correct grangarog.
Due to its position on top of the West Cliff area of Ransgate, it's exposed position and salt air had taken its toll on not just the timberwork, but also the brickwork and masonry. Limited maintenance by previous owners saw the building deteriorate extensively until it was very much rescued by the Landmark Trust. Whilst it was controversial at the time to have a nationally important building in private hands and have to pay to stay in it, if the LT hadn't of restored it the building may not have been standing today.
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Thanks, here we go.
DTT
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Looking to the junction of Skinner Street and Jeffery Street, Gillingham.
Camera location:
- Address: Just outside 6a Skinner Street
- Nat Grid: TQ 77179 68503
- Nearest Post Code: ME7 1HD
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'16"N,000°32'42" or 51.387910,0.545021
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That was lightning quick MartinR :). It would have taken me quite a bit of searching to get that one.
Poor Lutonman - one on his patch at last and he didn't get a chance.
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Blimey, Martin. You are quick today. I was thinking of Luton Man when I put that one up, being Gillingham. I tried to see if any buildings survive. I think the pub on the LHS may be the Prince Albert (possibly).
Martin, over to you. :)
DTT
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I'll be honest, I just put "Grand Variety theatre Kent" into a search engine (DuckDuckGo) and out popped the Gillingham theatre/picture theatre. The odd thing was that the site mentioned it closed in 1960, was demolished in 1965, then had a nice red box inviting me to click there to book tickets! I think I'd need a famous blue police box to see anything there.
Next one up tomorrow.
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OK, another map one. This time I've not removed any detail. Where is this today?
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That had me for a while ;D - I reckon it's Bewl Water today?
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Far too fast John, you must be bored! Well done though, I had hoped it might last a day or two. Over to you.
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I was lucky in my search - hit the right area quickly. I got the match on the rivers from the old map and when I moved the slider to the left, Bewl Water magically appeared.
Next one. Where and what? Current view.
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Near water?
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Near water?
Yes, MartinR - near water.
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I thought that looked like a boat bottom left of the big building.
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It could well be a boat but I think it's just parked there. As far as I can find out the site was not involved with boats.
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Is it coastal water?
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Is it coastal water?
The water nearby is tidal but not what I would understand to be coastal at that point.
Employment had been here since the 1930s. Closed around 2008 due to the credit crunch.
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Near the River Medway?
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Funton Brickworks?
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Well done JohnFilmer Funton Brickworks on Raspberry Hill Lane it is.
A former brickworks site providing 59,000 sqft of old industrial buildings on a site, mostly concreted, of about 7 acres at the western end, plus two 3 bed cottages. It has been an employment site since the 1930's. There is a further site of 9 acres at the western end used for open storage of brick earth.
Over to you.
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Well I've driven along that road many times but never seen that. Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 87531 67778
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 7EG
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'41"N,000°41'36"E or 51.37807,0.69324
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Highly sought after by Fat Cat Housing Developers. Planning apps currently getting turned down. Expect will be smothered in housing in a few years time.
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Between 1958 and 1972 I lived almost opposite the Tuck Inn transport cafe on the A2. The easy route to the island was down Breach Lane to Lower Halstow, then along Raspberry Hill Lane, out onto the old Ferry Road and away. So I passed Funton quite often, on push bike, motorcycle then cars.
Raspberry Hill has been tamed a bit, back in the day the water (mud) was up to the unguarded road edge. Going along there in the girlfriend’s brother’s Ford 100E at whatever speed could be squeezed from the 3speed, 1172cc side valve was “memorable “. The road surface then was very good.
Tried it a couple of years later in my Mk1 Lotus Cortina in the dark, four Cibie Oscars lighting the way. Huge fun but sanity prevailed and we didn’t repeat it.
There was a huge tradition of brick making in the area. In just the route I described you had Newington brick works on the A2, now an industrial estate, Eastwood’s in Lower Halstow, now housing and Funton. So only a matter of time before it gets redeveloped.
Next one up shortly.
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I noticed this "water feature" when out and about back in my estimating days when I visited the house behind the camera position. I went to find it later, only to discover that GSV had missed that bit of the road.
However they seem to have gone round there in March 2023 so here we have it.
Mid Kent, camera is facing uphill.
Now I'm off to chop yet more wood to keep the Christmas home fires burning... I was very tempted by a little headcode for my OO gauge railway, from a well known supplier, in the style of the 1930s - "Bah Humbug Express" ::)
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Raspberry Hill Lane still floods in places at High tides,in severe ones enough to drown small car Engines .
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So Mid Kent do you mean Canterbury area?
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Somewhat west of there, and more mid as in north/south. Edge of the Weald.
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Is the water feature part of a named stream or river?
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Not as far as I can see JW. Possibly the use of a natural spring to provide the locals with fresh water.
Located within an old village, with a large population change throughout the year. Ancient ruins not far away.
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Is it in the Lenham area?
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The Greensand Ridge (eg Liverton Hill) is between Lenham and the Weald, so not Lenham.
The parish church is close to an important and historic route.
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Is it in Sutton Valence
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somewhere in the Elham Valley?
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Lutonman has the village, Sutton Valence.
Who will find the right place?
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Lower Road Sutton Valance off Rectory Lane
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Outside Number 2 & Valence Green Cottage
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Well done Lutonman. the camera position (as far as I can judge) is at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 81264 49185
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 3BJ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°12'47"N,000°35'38"E or 51.213099,0.593869
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Absolutely spot on Lutonman.
Over to you
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Thank You Johnfilmer, Luckily it was the first road I tried in Sutton Valence
Now this one is further west on another Treasure trail trip of mine.
Where is this please, you'll need to look up a bit.
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Church of King Charles the Martyr at Tunbridge Wells
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Well done Beachbum, that was quick. The church is just off the Pantiles.
Over to you.
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Thanks Lutonman, a interesting clockface
next one for you (not East Kent)
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Is there a castle nearby?
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Thats old Henry Streetfield1706-1762 and family including Colonel Henry 1857-1938 of Chiddingstone Manor .
Mausoleum is in the Churchyard of St Mary's Chiddingstone.
"Merry Christmas Everyone".
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Well done grandarog, it is Henry Streatfeild's vault from 1736. A large family Tomb that has an airflow system.
Chiddingstone is described as being the most perfect surviving example of a Tudor village in the country. Much of the village is owned by The National Trust.
So 'yes' is the answer to John Walker
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Mausoleum is at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 50114 45186
- Nearest Post Code: TN8 7AH
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°11'10N,000°08'48"E or 51.186195362961186,0.14657297577817638
The year turned at 03:28 on Friday 22.
Time for a great winter celebration, however you like it, and a happy new year to all.
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Thanks Beachbum :)
Hope you all had a lovely Christmas ,not overindulged of food and drink.
Try this next one .
I am sure it wont last long.
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I know this one but have never managed to see it.
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1554 :)
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In case a Clue is needed East Kent.
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Is it just my system, or doesn't the image expand like normal?
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Is it just my system, or doesn't the image expand like normal?
It's a very small image - about 148 pixels x 121 pixels. I kept clicking on it until I realised ;D
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Nothing wrong with your machines .I had cropped a big pic right down so image is very small. :)
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A guess at the Yew at Ulcombe Church.
DTT
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Much further East DaveTheTrain. Should be easier with Beachbum's pic.
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Bark on the branches looks more like an oak.
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Situated in a large Park not far from Dover.
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The ‘Majestic oak’ in Fredville Park, Nonington.
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You Have It Jackie Paper, :) Your Turn. Actually "The Majesty Oak"
Link here for interest.
https://kentheritagetrees.tcv.org.uk/trees/pedunculate-oak-1269/
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I've just read that the owner of Fredville Park is happy for visitors to visit the tree, which is one of many very old oaks in the park.
A Spring visit perhaps.
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Yes. Hadn't heard of Fredville Park before this.
Happy New Year all, by the way!
Here's a straightforward one.
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Thanks Jackie Paper - Happy New Year to you.
I've not seen this Lych Gate before so will start searching.
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An hour or so of searching and I've tracked it down. St Mary's Church Speldhurst?
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Interesting about "The Majesty Oak". I'd always thought that the Major Oak¹ was the largest and oldest oak, but it seems that this Dover youngster has taken the former title. I visited the Major Oak back in the 60s or 70s and it is truly impressive.
¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Oak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Oak)
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John Walker, you are correct.
Had a lovely lunch in the George & Dragon there in November, and took that pic from the car park.
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FYI, it's at the junction of Speldhurst Hill, Langton Road and Penshurst Road. Detailed location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 55332 41385
- Nearest Post Code: TN3 0NN
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°09'02"N,000°13'10"E or 51.150650,0.219537
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Many years ago, we had a big family gathering at the George and Dragon in Speldhurst. We were in the upstairs dining area and it was packed. We'd had our main course and the desserts were served. My niece who was in her early twenties announced that her pudding was stone cold. Her three-year-old son on hearing her, shouted out at the top of his voice "Oh Boluks Mum "!! The restaurant went silent and my niece had the redest face I've ever seen. It was obvious where her son had picked the language up from. The rest of us were trying to hide fits of giggles. I must add that my niece is usually extremely polite and well-spoken.
The system has auto-changed the offending word.
Next one up shortly.
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The unexpected coarse language really has the power to shock.
My mother never swore that I heard. Then when I was going into a flat in my second year at university she gave me a wartime cookbook (which I really wish I still had), and the immortal advice, “when it’s brown it’s cooked, when it’s black it’s buggered.”
Never been so lost for a reply!
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Parodied most beautifully in HMS Pinafore.
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Hi all, Apologies for the delay but here's the next one for you.
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Well it looks like a disused chapel. Clearly on quite a hill, but I don't think it's in the Medway Towns. I've not noticed it in Maidstone. Canterbury is too flat, so as a first guess Ashford?
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I'le go a bit further than Ashford,. Is it at an East Kent coastal town.
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East Kent coastal town - you're closing in fast :D
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Currently derelict.
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Found it.
Kings Hall ,Buckland Terrace ,287 London Road Dover.
According to Kent Messenger up for Sale last August for £295K.
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Found it.
Kings Hall ,Buckland Terrace ,287 London Road Dover.
According to Kent Messenger up for Sale last August for £295K.
You have it Grandrog (edited ;) ) . As far as I can find out, it wasn't a chapel.
It was a music hall then a wedding venue, before being closed due to anti-social behaviour.
Over to you ...
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It was originally built in 1839 as a Methodist Chapel (Wesleyan) up until at least the 1930's before being repurposed for other community uses.
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Senior Moment there John Walker ,or too much wine. :)
Grandarog (alias JohnFilmer)
Next one up this evening.
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Senior Moment there John Walker ,or too much wine. :)
Grandarog (alias JohnFilmer)
Next one up this evening.
Whoops - must stop rushing things ... I've corrected my post GrandaFilmer ;D .
CAT - The report I read didn't mention it being a chapel, even though it looks every bit a chapel. Found another report that does mention it as being a chapel - just goes to show, that you can't believe everything you read. Thanks for the clarification.
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What’s grandajohn been up to? ::)
Surprised that nobody has commented on the old phone box in front of the Kings Hall. Bright, Barbie pink with LOVE written on each side. Very hippy dippy 8)
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What’s grandajohn been up to? ::)
Surprised that nobody has commented on the old phone box in front of the Kings Hall. Bright, Barbie pink with LOVE written on each side. Very hippy dippy 8)
Just found the pink telephone box - surprised no graffiti all over the artwork. Give it time :(
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Grr, just had the computer seize up halfway through posting a reply.
The Historic England listing¹ has this to say about the hall: "Originally the Methodist Chapel, 1839. Stuccoed. Doric pilasters flanking the front. Cornice and parapet. 2 high windows with glazing bars intact. Projecting porch consisting of an Ionic column and pilaster on each side with pediment over, the porch being up a flight of wide steps. Large 6 panel moulded double doors. The interior contains a gallery supported on slender columns." and the photos afterwards mention Wesleyan Methodist. This latter makes sense, Wesleyan chapels tended to be larger and more ornate than Primitive Methodist chapels.
Kent Online² gives further history. After it ceased to be a chapel it became a music hall, then a Sea Cadet centre before finally becoming a party venue and being licensed for weddings. It lost its licence after complaints of anti-social behaviour including late night loud music, fights and parking problems. Kent Online includes pictures of its present state.
UKHallHire³ gives no additional information, but does include views of the interior before its present dilapidated state.
An interesting question is when it was first licensed for alcohol. Typically Methodist premises are sold on with a restrictive covenant banning the sale of alcohol. However total abstinence (as against temperance) developed in the latter half of 19C, so maybe the change to music hall predated this? Alternatively, was the putative covenant only lifted when it became a party venue? More history please!
¹https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1318893?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1318893?section=official-list-entry)
²https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/inside-the-derelict-music-hall-abandoned-for-eight-years-291809/ (https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/inside-the-derelict-music-hall-abandoned-for-eight-years-291809/)
³https://www.uk-hallhire.co.uk/halls/CT/20257.php (https://www.uk-hallhire.co.uk/halls/CT/20257.php)
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A bit more about the history of Methodism in the Buckland area of Dover here: http://www.dover.freeuk.com/church/londonrd.htm (http://www.dover.freeuk.com/church/londonrd.htm).
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This one shouldn't last long.
Anybody and everybody out there come and have a go. We don't Bite its good fun and you learn about things and places you have never heard of.
DONT BE SHY ,COME AND TRY.
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Well if you look through the window there is the balance arm of a semaphore signal. The fence in the foreground and the name on the cabin makes me wonder if we are looking for a level crossing over a heritage line?
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East Kent Light Railway?
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Grain Crossing box?
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Grain Crossing box
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Well done Stewie ,I said it wouldn't last long.
Your turn. :)
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Location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 86306 75297
- Nearest Post Code: ME3 0HA
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°26'46"N,000°40'47"E or 51.446011,0.679610
It's on the Isle of Grain at Wallend (sounds like Tyneside to me) where the A228 Grain Road becomes the B2001 Grain Road.
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Thanks Granarog, I did some work here around the turn of the century for the Dartford Area Resignalling project. I had to design an interface between the mechanical token instrument that controlled the single line and a solid state interlocking.
The next one is just for fun, Mrs Stewie and myself on a day out a few years ago, but where were we?
I shall be at the footie this afternoon and out this evening so may be unable to respond straight away!
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Thanks Granarog, I did some work here around the turn of the century for the Dartford Area Resignalling project. I had to design an interface between the mechanical token instrument that controlled the single line and a solid state interlocking.
The next one is just for fun, Mrs Stewie and myself on a day out a few years ago, but where were we?
I shall be at the footie this afternoon and out this evening so may be unable to respond straight away!
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Sheer guess: Fort Amherst?
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No, not fort Amherst
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Sheerness Dockyard?
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Maybe Upnor Castle. :)
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Well done granderog it was indeed taken at Upnir Castle by our granddaughter. Just for the record we don’t always dress that way!
Over to you once more 🤓
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Thanks Stewie. Pure luck on my part this time as we have a photo of a grandson in uniform taken in front of the background from about 9 or 10 years ago.
Where did I see this scene.
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Not Chatham or Gillingham marinas and with those masts it can't be upriver so we're looking for a marina elsewhere - possibly tidal.
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Quick guess - Ramsgate?
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You have it John Walker. :)
Over to you.
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Thanks Grandarog. It was the orange 'lifeboat' that made me think of Ramsgate as I'm sure I've seen one there.
Next one up soon ...
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Next GTP ...
What and where?
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Now derelict but can be seen on GSV
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Is the building at Canterbury?
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Barracks?
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Not Canterbury Grandrog. Too far North East
Not a barracks JohnFilmer
The place is well known
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Are we in the Tenterden area?
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Definitely in the right general area DTT
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There is a connection with current news
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The building in the photo has a group trying to save it from demolition.
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Is the "current news" the Post Office scandal? Nothing much else seems to be happening in the world!!!!
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Yes, the Post Office is the connection albeit this connection was many years ago.
Although this building is scheduled for demolition, there will still be a large part of the complex remaining and in current use.
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Is it part of the Dover Demolition for the regeneration programme.
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Not Dover. You need to be around 35 km westish from there. DTT was closer earlier.
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Designed for multiple occupancy.
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It’s the original part of Benenden Hospital
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It’s the original part of Benenden Hospital
You have it JohnFilmer - over to you
https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/save-benenden-hospital-from-demolition/ (https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/save-benenden-hospital-from-demolition/)
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It's in a place called "East End" which is a little distance from Benenden village. It's just off the minor "Benenden Road" down Green Lane. the building is centred at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 83498 35173
- Nearest Post Code: TN17 4AX
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°05'11"N,000°37'07"E or 51.08652,0.61867
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Sorry to have been AWOL we had an intermittent broadband issue that seems to have gone away for now.
As a quick get it going question I have reverted to an old map, 1906/8 25inch OS. It is small, as I had to crop it a lot to keep too much information hidden.
Should be simple enough, but the question is what is off to the left of the image?
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Kent House Station?
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It is a station, but not that one…
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Single track line?
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Yes JW, only a single track, and the map is correctly aligned.
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Sharnal Street Station (now demolished) on the Isle of Grain?
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Not Sharnel Street either Martin
As the choices are limited I’m not giving helpful directions at the moment :-\
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Is it the Sheppey Light Railway Eastchurch station? If so to the left would be the old aerodrome.
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Queenborough Pier Branch line ?
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Stewie is so close… But, the map is based on a survey from 1906, which predates aerodrome .
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All I can find to the left is St Clements Church and what appears to have been a small housing estate called Paradise.?
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Directly to the left is/was HMP Standford Hill and slightly below is the rest of the Sheppey Prisons cluster. If I'm right, then the location of The White House (now demolished) was at:
- Nat'l Grid: TQ 98717 70313
- Nearest Post Code: ME12 4DS
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°23'49"N,000°51'19"E or 51.397041, 0.855185
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The map left edge is actually the edge of that map page. The next map page has the structure in 1906….
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I’ve reread the replies now that I’m not eating my dinner at the same time.
The correct answer is Eastchurch Station, which I now acknowledge Stewie as mentioning, so therefore he is the winner.
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Thanks Johnfilmer,
Mrs Stewie and myself had a day out last year and a bite off something to eat. So where was we when we were making our menu choices?
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Unfortunately your photo gives the place and location. Try another one.
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Is it actually at Chapel Down, or merely somewhere that serves expensive wines?
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Not at Chapel Down Martin R
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There's a resturant/wine bar in converted goods wagons on Folkestone Harbour Arm but not sure if this is it.
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Yes you are correct JohnWalker the restaurant is called 'Shesells Seashells' and this can be seen engraved in the mirror, presumably what grandarog was referring to? I was aware of this but wondered if anyone would make the connection. Mrs Stewie and myself enjoyed a bowl of 'moules mariniere' on Folkstone harbour arm in the late afternoon sunshine after walking around the harbour.
Over to you JohnWalker.
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Thanks Stewie I wasn't sure as it looked bigger than the ones I walked past in Folkestone. I realise now that it's a mirror the camera is pointing at making it look much larger. Folkestone Harbour Arm is well worth a visit, preferably on a sunny day and at a weekend when all the restaurants are open. It's quite an atmosphere and plenty of history.
Next one up shortly.
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Where is this post office? Can be seen on GSV. The frontage is much changed (but not for the better).
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Vague clues?
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It is a building style that is common in Whitstable and Herne Bay.
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It is a building style that is common in Whitstable and Herne Bay.
Right end of the county. Keep heading roughly ESE.
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Gotcha! That odd angled upper elevation is quite distinctive.
But I’ve only just been, so someone else can find it.
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Gotcha! That odd angled upper elevation is quite distinctive.
But I’ve only just been, so someone else can find it.
Although much has changed on the frontage, the angled elevation is still there on GSV.
Clue: Village
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Eastry Post Office, Sandwich Road?
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Eastry Post Office, Sandwich Road?
Not there Beachbum but you're not too far away.
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The village church has a spire.
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A station is not too far away.
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Seems to have got a bit stuck.
I think that it’s Minster, in Thanet not Sheppey.
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It seems to have a poster in the window for st Mary's church. There is an image of boats in the window. I keep thinking sandwich. But cannot find it.
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It seems to have a poster in the window for st Mary's church. There is an image of boats in the window. I keep thinking sandwich. But cannot find it.
Well spotted DTT. Right name for the local church but not Sandwich. Come inland a wee bit, then head roughly north and look for a village.
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Seems to have got a bit stuck.
I think that it’s Minster, in Thanet not Sheppey.
Sorry missed your post Yes it's Minster, Ramsgate. A rare local Post Office that's still trading. Over to you.
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We touched on dead post offices before, so I thought a (relatively) recent dead one might be good.
This was a village post office and general store, older street views show the village name on the Post Office sign above and across the front window.
Mid Kent
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Now there is a thing. I spent part of my teens in Minster and never knew about the PO. You live and learn. ☺☺
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Now there is a thing. I spent part of my teens in Minster and never knew about the PO. You live and learn. ☺☺
Minster as a village has just about everything. Medical Centre, three pubs, post office, fish and chip shop, Chinese, Indian, supermarket, vets, railway station, nunnery/convent, large church. When I lived there around 1990 it even had a library. At the top of the hill exiting the village, there's a petrol station, Macdonalds and a TableTable Restaurant.
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JohnFilmer - quick guess on the GTP - Coxhill ?
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One thing Minster doesn't have is accurate GSV! If you zoom in the Post Office is shown at number 57 High Street and if you click on the drop pin it comes up as Attwells with a large Post Office sticker in the window. Further research leads to a picture from October 2023 showing the Post Office counter being opened.¹ It also now seems to be part of the Premier chain whereas in GSV it is independent. The original Post Office in John's question was across the road and slightly along at number 56. It is now Minster Food & Wine.² GSV image capture was June 2021, clearly before the counter in Attwells opened.
Old Post Office location:
- Address: 56 High St, Minster, Ramsgate CT12 4AB
- Nat Grid: TR 30988 64673
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°20'03"N,001°18'53"E or 51.334202,1.314640
¹https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Minster+Post+Office/@51.3340136,1.3150333,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPj9ItLwIfETQx0s6a7J0Hgu9sW2dTMWBKeh26f!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPj9ItLwIfETQx0s6a7J0Hgu9sW2dTMWBKeh26f%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i2040!8i1530!4m7!3m6!1s0x47deb31ff7ffde7f:0x2b0bb9db4893eacc!8m2!3d51.334051!4d1.3151634!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11l60wdrn3!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Minster+Post+Office/@51.3340136,1.3150333,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPj9ItLwIfETQx0s6a7J0Hgu9sW2dTMWBKeh26f!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPj9ItLwIfETQx0s6a7J0Hgu9sW2dTMWBKeh26f%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i2040!8i1530!4m7!3m6!1s0x47deb31ff7ffde7f:0x2b0bb9db4893eacc!8m2!3d51.334051!4d1.3151634!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11l60wdrn3!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
²https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Minster+food+%26+wine/@51.3342365,1.3148534,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipMAWOPRuCu9Kqla-xu-lQsAFXEdPjgvJlqWQ53D!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMAWOPRuCu9Kqla-xu-lQsAFXEdPjgvJlqWQ53D%3Dw86-h114-k-no!7i1200!8i1600!4m7!3m6!1s0x47deb2ae829d642b:0x60074239b9b39494!8m2!3d51.3342151!4d1.3147891!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F1ty73jqp!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Minster+food+%26+wine/@51.3342365,1.3148534,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipMAWOPRuCu9Kqla-xu-lQsAFXEdPjgvJlqWQ53D!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMAWOPRuCu9Kqla-xu-lQsAFXEdPjgvJlqWQ53D%3Dw86-h114-k-no!7i1200!8i1600!4m7!3m6!1s0x47deb2ae829d642b:0x60074239b9b39494!8m2!3d51.3342151!4d1.3147891!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F1ty73jqp!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
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Greetings, power has just returned, off from 11.30 last night to 17.10 today.
JW you are many miles to the East, just scrolling across Google Maps it really does look almost dead E-W.
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Greetings, power has just returned, off from 11.30 last night to 17.10 today.
JW you are many miles to the East, just scrolling across Google Maps it really does look almost dead E-W.
I meant to put Coxheath - I hadn't heard of Coxhill so no idea why I put that. ( I am nearly 80 don't you know :D )
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JW, I’m not that far behind you, just renewed my driving licence again…
Anyway back to the east a bit(ish).
Village has a pub, but no church, that is in the next hamlet.
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Grr, don't mention driving licences. I've just had to renew mine because it was 10 years old, and pay the Post Office rates because my passport has expired, yet it is only valid for 2¾ years. I think I should only have paid 25%. :(
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You have to renew aged 70, (no matter when previously renewed…) and every 3 years after that, and yes I also had to send a photo by post as my passport has long since expired.
My wife’s licence is less than a year old, but she will have to renew later this year. Don’t you just love bureaucracy :o
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Back on topic, across the road is small village green, which historically is part of the pub garden.
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Sits at the bottom of a hill. The aforementioned church is at the top of the hill on one of the two roads that lead from the green up over the hills.
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Found it at last - Grafty Green ?
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It certainly is JW. It was battling against the flow for many years, but in the 1980s it still thrived as a village centre. If you wanted to know who or what was going on, this was the place to go.
The combination of the village shop/post office and the pub were the community hubs of the day. What replaces them?
The times, they are a changing….
Back to you JW
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As an aside, a previous Post Master kept koi carp. We had a very active heron (I lived about half a mile away and saw it frequently). He netted the pond, heron walked on the net, then struck through it.
So Bernard got a fibreglass heron to put next to the pond, so that the real one would avoid trespassing on another’s patch. When he looked a couple of days later, there was the heron using his fibreglass replica as a convenient perch to plan his attack. The heron eventually ate all the carp and moved on.
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Location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 87258 48924
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 2AZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°12'32"N,000°40'46"E or 51.20882,0.67944
FYI, if you look back at the previous dates for GSV you can see it as a PO in March 2009, as a shop without the PO in Mar 2021 and how it is now in Mar 2023. The wall mounted letterbox was in still in use in 2021, but in 2023 was blocked off and a new one erected opposite.
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Before we move on, does anyone on here know the origin of the name of Grafty Green ?
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From Hasted's Kent (1798)¹:
From the church [St. Nicholas', Boughton Malherbe] southward the hill declines, and not far from the bottom of it is the village, or to say more properly, the hamlet of Grassley-green, and not far from it Eastwood common, with another smaller hamlet of houses on the lower side of it.
So "Grafty Green" was originally "Grassley-green", presumably on account of the relatively poor land in much of the rest of the parish of Broughton Malherbe.
¹https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-kent/vol5/pp397-415 (https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-kent/vol5/pp397-415)
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Thanks MartinR. That name always made me wonder where it came from.
Next GTP arriving very soon.
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About 15years ago a couple of local worthies compiled a book of the village history. They gave every house a copy, which I found excellent reading.
Unfortunately when we moved after 31years, I generously left it at the house for the new owners, along with two aerial photos, one from the 60s (pale blue Standard Vanguard phase3 outside), and another from about 2005, with our debris in evidence (vans, horsebox, Land Rover, employees cars etc) in the yard that we created where the old pig pens had been.
We were in the hamlet of Broadstone, to which Hasted may be referring, as the lane close by is Eastwood Road.
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There is an Eastwood along Eastwood Road, near where the road to Knowle Hill comes in. Again it is just a scattering of houses. The question therefore is whether "Eastwood Common" is the same or different to Eastwood itself. If the latter then possibly Broadstone might be the location. The 1892-1914 25" OS map labels Eastwood, Broadstone and Grafty Green just as at present.
Another thought on Grafty Green, if it was written with a long "S" it would be Graſsley Green. Given the lack of standardisation in spelling, Graſly might be a variant and it is quite possible that a late 19thC hand might misread this as Grafty Green. Who knows?
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Modification is not confined to historic interpretations. The 1921 Census transcriptions on Find My Past have been riddled with errors in the case of my family research. Completely misunderstanding the hamlet of Lidsing, and labelling it within Gillingham, my great grandfather kept the Harrow pub, and his age is changed from 74 to 94.
I posted four corrections in one evening.
So yes, I agree Martin, easily changed.
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Right - here we go.
Mid Kent.
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Still standing as this?
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Still standing as this?
Yes. At least it's currently showing on GSV 2023
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Very close to a village pub.
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Are we south of the M20?
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Are we south of the M20?
Yes, About 6km south of the M20.
Grade Two Listed
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There was a ragstone quarry on the edge of this village until late 50s.
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Ragstone quarry means Boughton Monchelsea to me.
And, there in Green Lane is the building :)
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Without wanting to steal John F's thunder, that certainly looks like the place. I do like your "Ragstone quarry means Boughton Monchelsea to me", local knowledge is vital!
As John F said, grade II listed: House. Early C17 or earlier. Timber framed, weatherboarded, with plain tile roof. 2 storeys. Gable end jetty to left underbuilt in buff brick. Steeply- pitched hipped roof with gablets. Slender projecting buff brick stack towards front of left gable end. Brick ridge stack to left of centre. Irregular fenestration of three 3-light casements. Boarded door with flat bracketed hood under stack. Rear lean-to.
Location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 76883 51269
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 4LE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°13'59"N ,000°31'56"E or 51.23319,0.53223
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Well done JohnFilmer - Over to you again :)
Thanks for the info MartinR. the building looks quite out of place now. I'm guessing it was isolated when it was built.
The ragstone quarry was just north of the village and looks quite extensive in this 1960 view. All flattened and part built on now.
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The Quarries was a nightmare before satnav. Narrow, winding, house names in the bushes, and heaven help you if you met the dustmen! Did many jobs along there, as well as on the delightfully named Bottlescrew Hill.
Back later when at laptop.
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OK here is an imposing building, standing with a serious view, possibly more trees now...
There was a hint of 1960s Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll, back in the day.
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Pass on this one , I'me old enough to remember the shenanigans there. :)
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Georgian, Grade 2 listed, and the road (lane really) that it stands on is named for the building.
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On the Greensand Ridge
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ESE from our last GTP
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The house is currently called Egerton House, though previously it was Egerton Manor. The building dates back to medieval times¹ and this is visible in the kitchen/dining room area with its minstrels' gallery and medieval fireplace. The exterior is an early 19thC addition over the older timber framed house.²
A new wing was added under the auspices of the Cornwallis family in c.1770. It is not quite clear from conflicting sources whether the claimed 19thC frontage was actually added at this time, some 30 years earlier. Reference 1 gives an estate agent's view of the property along with interior views.
The official listing for this grade II building locates in "Star and Garter Road", but Google and reference 1 both give the address as Egerton house Road.
Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ901479 / TQ9013347961
- Nearest Post Code: TN27 9BD
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°11'57.3"N,000°43'11.6"E 51.19922,0.72004
Hasted discussed the parish, but does not mention the house.³
¹https://docslib.org/doc/452501/egerton-house-egerton-kent-egerton-house-reception-rooms (https://docslib.org/doc/452501/egerton-house-egerton-kent-egerton-house-reception-rooms)
²https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071528?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1071528?section=official-list-entry)
³https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-kent/vol7/pp449-455 (https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-kent/vol7/pp449-455)
Footnote:
When I looked at the estate agent's brochure I realised that I had been there some years before. The gentleman who owned the house at the time was a first class musician and one way he earned money was accompanying higher grade music exams. One of my sons was in the final for the Kent Musician of the Year and needed an accompanist. The two of them toddled off into the music room for the rehearsal whilst the lady of the house sat my wife and I down in the kitchen with coffee. The house is every bit as special as the brochure suggests.
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Very interesting info MartinR - thank you.
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I came across it, quite literally, driving up the road, following my instincts as to direction. It was a bit of a shock or surprise as it stood there in glorious isolation. There are more modern buildings adjacent now.
That was probably mid 1980s. Ten years later and my wife’s mother and brother moved close by, so we have passed it more frequently.
It seems that there were hedonistic goings on at one time, involving various rock stars, due to the relative isolation of the property and therefore lack of nosey nimbys.
You have it Martin
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Photo not showing on my PC
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Sorry, my fault. the photo wasn't showing because I forgot to add it. Oops! It was late and I was hurrying. Mea culpa.
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Right, let's try to get it correct this time. What is the photo of, and where was the camera. both parts needed.
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Sorry, my fault. the photo wasn't showing because I forgot to add it. Oops! It was late and I was hurrying. Mea culpa.
No worry Martin. I thought my aging PC was playing silly buggers again.
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I know the place (easy), but I'm guessing due to the blur to the pic its from a slight elevated distant position away to the north-northwest? Not knowing the area intimately I wonder if its from the Bluebell Hill Picnic Site off Common Road?
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P.S. forgot to say Kit's Coty
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I’ll second that CAT, I got the “red message” as I was about to type pretty much the same answer.
That is some serious magnification, but I have a camera with a digital assisted zoom up to x38, tripod or sturdy fence post required!
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I knew it would be recognised easily, though I hoped the odd angle might throw someone. Yes its Kits Coty House. More impressive is your deductions about the camera site. It was indeed just to the edge of the car park/picnic area. I haven't got a record of the lens in the EXIF, but I think I was using the 500mm with a doubler which with an APS-C sensor is equivalent to 1600mm (say 106x optical). I was experimenting and having problems with (1) the wind and (2) my hips. The exposure was 1/60, what I should have done was push the ISO up and hence use a shorter exposure.
Well done for working out the camera position, and over to you.
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Is it Kitts Coty ,taken from the North Downs Trail?
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Sorry Grandarog, CAT got it earlier at 03:35 pm.
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No Problem MartinR, I should have read the posts after the Photo. :-[ Doh
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Many thanks MartinR
My deduction of where it was from was purely looking at an elevated position to the north-northwest and saw a very convenient picnic spot with far reaching views across the right area. More luck than judgement I think.
My next is a lesser known military installation, but where?
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Well known by me ,will hold off for others to try. :)
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Medway Towns?
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Is it Archcliffe Fort?
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It was not the Medway Towns MartinR as it is the remains of the main gate to Archcliffe fort on the southern outskirts of Dover. Originally a small detached defended promontory with a stone tower during the fourteenth century, it is suggested that a wealthy merchant built a small chapel on the plateau in praise of his safe deliverance from a channel shipwreck. The area was seen as possessing a defensive use as it overlooked the former 'Pier District' of Dover, which was regarded as a town beyond the main town of Dover. Initially thought to be a series of earthwork banks and ditches with gun platforms, by the seventeenth century the defences were enhanced by a substantial stone walls with projecting 'arrow point' angle bastions within a dry moat and formal gateway. In time these evolved with the changes to cannons and by the Napoleonic War was a detached fortlet in its own right. Situated at the end of the South Lines (an extensive brick lined dry moat encompassing and linking the Drop Redoubt and the Citadel), its function as a defensive position was greatly reduced when the coastal railway route between Dover and Folkestone cut the eastern end of the original plateau causing its defensive effectiveness to be compromised. Down graded to a small barracks and military administration site, its subsequent modern use is by a homeless charity. Whilst many of the original military buildings have been heavily altered, some are still extent and being used by the charity, though the forts remaining lengths of outer walled fortifications survive almost unaltered.
After my ramblings its over to you Stewie
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Interesting, I didn't realise that Dover had any sea-level defences. Location:
- Nat Grid: TR 31516 40283
- Nearest Post Code: CT17 9EL
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°06'54.9"N,001°18'23.4"E or 51.115042,1.306466
It is a Scheduled Monument under the Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas Act 1979 as amended, therefore doesn't have a grade like a listed building. It is however listed by historic England.¹
The Dover website provides a concise history.³ The site is currently occupied by Emmaus,² the homeless charity referred to by CAT.
¹https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1016420?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1016420?section=official-list-entry)
²https://emmaus.org.uk/dover/emmaus-dover-to-re-open-archcliffe-fort-site/ (https://emmaus.org.uk/dover/emmaus-dover-to-re-open-archcliffe-fort-site/)
³https://www.dover-kent.co.uk/archcliffe_fort.html (https://www.dover-kent.co.uk/archcliffe_fort.html)
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Are you including the Admiralty Pier Turret in your 'sea-level defences' MartinR. Of late nineteenth century date, they still possess their Fraser RML 16 inch 80-ton RML guns in position, though not kept 'ship shape and Bristol fashion' condition.
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Well I knew that guns were placed on the breakwaters in both World Wars. I can't seem to find the "Admiralty Pier Turret" in GSV. There seems to be the remains of a gun emplacement at the pier end, next to the light and a larger structure at the Dover fishing Pier. Is it one of them? I'm afraid I don't really know Dover at all. I've been to the castle a few times and to the museum, but otherwise I've always been en route to the ferry terminal or once the marina for a diving expedition.
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As with lots of things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_Pier_Turret
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The pier was extended towards the end of the nineteenth century and thus the former turret fort is now part way along the pier where the angle changes. See 51°06'42.4"N,001°19'08.22"E
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Thanks folks. Rather than Google I use DuckDuckGo which is more secure, but in this case yielded no hits. I followed the link to Google Maps from the WP page and it now does mention the guns: "Dover Turret (80 ton guns) temporarily closed", and it is where GSV labels the Dover fishing pier.
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Thanks for that information CAT, I have an interest in the fortifications around the Medway but also further afield. At the recent January members meeting at the Chatham Historical Society, I gave a short talk on Fort Luton which I will upload to this site later.
I have had a look through some old scanned photos I took in the early 1980's and have found this one for the next GTP.
So where was I when I took this with my Olympus Trip camera.
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OK, so when I took the picture the building was mostly derelict but parts of it (the office), were still in use. The shape of the doors gives an insight into what the buildings purpose was, which will help towards its location.
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Railway connection?
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It has most definitely a railway connection Johnwalker, you can just make out the wooden platform I was standing on.
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The old Engine maintenance yard at Ashford?
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Not Ashford grandarog
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Strood?
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Not Strood Martin R, the building was built by the London, Chatham & Dover Railway.
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Dover Docks?
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Not Dover JohnWalker
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Faversham?
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Not Faversham, Johnfilmer but you’re heading in the right direction, the building is no longer there and has been replaced by a housing development 🤓👍
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Whitstable?
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Not Whitstable Martin R, head towards London
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Well if I head towards London from Whitstable, and its not Faversham, then perhaps Sittingbourne somewhere?
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Not Sittingbourne Martin R, stay on the train towards London.
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Rochester goods shed?
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Yes Johnfilmer it is the goods yard at Rochester (although known as Chatham Goods Yard). There is a good link to the history of this building here:
https://kentrail.org.uk/rochester_goods_depot.htm
The shed was very large and the left hand door in the picture was for rail traffic with road traffic via the central door to the right. The wooden platform that I was standing on allowed from the transfer of goods from rail to road and vice versa. At the time I took the picture, the office attached to the building was still in use for booking freight.
The building can be seen (circled) on the 1936 OS map of the area as a comparison against the present layout of houses, shops and a hotel occupying the former yard now.
Over to you johnfilmer
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That was a good(s) one Stewie. Can you forward a link to that map please - it looks a good one as I only have earlier ones linked.
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Apologies for delay, unexpected visitors.
Following on from Stewie's question, I've gone for a railway one, a simple map (1906/8).
Where is the station? It still exists, in much altered form, but still a station.
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Newington?
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Grr, beaten to the post whilst I checked! Well done Stewie.
I notice that Legh Street is now Station Road (that one had me chasing around Manchester). The station's pub is now "Medi-Aid (UK)" the Wesleyan Chapel is now simply the Methodist Church. The Widows' home is still standing, but now appears to be private houses, I was looking for an almshouse there. Out of interest, the spot heights in Church Lane are given in your map as 89' and 100' whereas the 1892-1914 25" OS map gives 90' and 98' respectively.
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It is indeed Newington. In my haste I only quickly checked Legh Street, but after I had posted checked the pubs web site and there it was, so I reasoned that it wouldn’t last long.
The Methodist church has been replaced, the station rebuilt to accommodate the four lines that start there and run nearly to Rainham, and most of the pubs and useful village shops of my youth are gone. Even the public toilets that stood by the bus stop have long gone. Progress?
Back to you Stewie 😀
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The 1880 (Wesleyan) Methodist Chapel has indeed been pulled down, the site is now the car park for the "new" (1983) Methodist Church. That date is a little suspect however, the "new" church is in fact the schoolroom for the old chapel, and so is probably older than the "old" chapel. Quite often on sites like this the schoolroom was put up first, quite quickly, and used as a chapel until the larger (and more expensive) main building could be built.
See:
- https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3522079,0.6691266,3a,89y,300.55h,87.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMJQ3wNYkFLWtnjZnAkcZ9A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3522079,0.6691266,3a,89y,300.55h,87.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMJQ3wNYkFLWtnjZnAkcZ9A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
- https://www.mywesleyanmethodists.org.uk/content/chapels/kent/newington-wesleyan-methodist-chapel (https://www.mywesleyanmethodists.org.uk/content/chapels/kent/newington-wesleyan-methodist-chapel)
- https://www.nkmethodists.org.uk/churches/medway-swale/newington.html (https://www.nkmethodists.org.uk/churches/medway-swale/newington.html)
The NLS overlay on the1892-1914 25" OS map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.2&lat=51.35221&lon=0.66843&layers=168&b=1 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.2&lat=51.35221&lon=0.66843&layers=168&b=1) shows the change, but be aware there is a slight east-west misalignment between the map and the current view.
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It is indeed Newington. In my haste I only quickly checked Legh Street, but after I had posted checked the pubs web site and there it was, so I reasoned that it wouldn’t last long.
I originally thought it was Rainham but the mechanical signal box there was on the up side next to the crossing. The name of Church Lane helped because I knew there was a church to the north of Newington station and that the layout was completely remodelled for the 1959 Kent Coast Phase 1 Electrification project which fitted the clue. I visit the station sometimes to photograph the occasional steam specials that pass this way.
I will put a new one up this afternoon.
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Out of interest, why does the line currently change from two tracks to four from Newington station?
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In the late 1950’s there was still a lot more f freight being carried on the railways particularly to Dover. The accelerated timings introduced by the new electric multiple units could be seriously hampered by a locomotive hauled freight. The middle two lines between Rainham and Newington were provided as freight loops where one or more freight trains could await passing passenger trains before continuing on their way.
Passenger trains would use the outer tracks with the platforms at Newington and the points at either end were designed for higher speed running.
After the implementation of this layout, freight usage on the railways declined and so the layout has never really been used for its primary purpose.
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Thanks Stewie - very interesting.
Reminds me of my train spotting days in the 50s when we used to travel to the busy Ashford Station. Quite often a slow train would pull into the platform on the outer rails while an express would pass on the middle tracks. It was really frustrating having our view of the more exciting express blocked by a mundane slow train. :D
You've got to feel for these guys ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBBK2hjcPuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBBK2hjcPuA)
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My family moved to a bungalow about a mile towards Rainham from Newington, with our back garden ending at the base of the railway embankment, in April 1958. There were two signals on the down line just before the bridge over Breach Lane, where many freight trains would be kept awaiting the faster passenger trains to pass.
My bedroom was the only one to face towards the line, which was quite spectacularly illuminated by arc lights and welding flashes as the new rails went in.
The embankments were then relatively new, so were only grass (and an amazing display of escaped lupins) which used to get burnt off occasionally.
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Happy though I am to continue with railway themed GTP's I have the following for your enjoyment! Mrs Stewie and myself went for a circular walk on Sunday before enjoying tea in a very nice tea shop. On our walk we passed this pill box. Not really my thing but doubtless someone on here can fill in the details.
So, where was I when I took this picture?
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Somewhere between Rainham and the River Medway?
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Rochester area??
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Not Rochester or Medway area, I guess this could be any number of places so the first clue:
as I understand, the pill box is built on a Napoleonic era gun emplacement.
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Dover?
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Head in a westerly direction from there MartinR, the pill box (and the gun emplacement it stands on), was provided to impede the crossing of a stretch of water.
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Royal Military Canal near Hythe?
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Maybe as far west as Appledore, where there is a very pleasant tea shop ;) ?
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Yes, well done CAT, it was indeed in Appledore and designed to defend against an invading force crossing the Royal Military Canal. The Pill Box is sited at 51°01'39.5"N 0°47'23.0"E and is visible on GSV.
From here, our walk took us along the Military Canal before striking across fields to Stone in Oxley village and back to Appledore where we enjoyed a well earned tea and cake in the Tea Shop in Appledore village.
Over to you CAT
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Alternatively: 51.027639, 0.789722 or TQ 95723 29066. It forms part of the "920m length of the Royal Military Canal from Reading Sewer to Appledore Bridge" and is specifically mentioned in the listing; see https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1005123?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1005123?section=official-list-entry)
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Many thanks Stewie, its funny how images just stick in your mind. This was one of them, having walked past it myself about 8years ago. A very pleasant circular walk with a good tea room at the end.
Thanks also to you MartinR for the find spot and the added info.
Where would you find this fine 'set of legs'?
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I'll have to miss this one as I know it - wouldn't be a 'guess' in the spirit of GTP.
I visited here while researching my family tree. There's a cottage close by with the family name (that's not a clue).
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I recognised it so will pass on it. Try and encourage some new blood.
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Well I've been through all the 2 bell churches that have and entry in Dove's and couldn't find it. Looking at those who know I'll start the ball rolling with Canterbury?
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Not Canterbury directly MartinR, but head northeast(ish)
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Staying on the A28 or else either N or S of it?
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Rural village south of the A28 MartinR, but not too far south of it.
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Stodmarsh, St Mary's Church. The photo shows a west end door but this is no longer used and not mentioned in some write-ups. It is however visible from GSV. The rather more prominent south door and porch can confuse searchers! >:( The church is originally Saxon, but with a late Norman rebuild of the nave and a 13C addition of a chancel. See the official listing for this grade I building.¹ There was an excellent write up by Tim Tatton-Brown in 1996 which is well worth a read.² There is an external drone fly-around on YouTube embedded into a description at Churches of England.³ The fly-around doesn't include a clear view of the west end however.
The two bells are swung-chimed, not rung full circle. The ropes are visible in the original photo. The tenor (deepest note) is particularly interesting being one of the oldest bells in the country, estimated casting date of 1280. The treble is still venerable, it was cast in 1550. The bells are about 3 cwt each. Details, including an indecipherable inscription on the medieval bell, are given in http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=336
Location information:
- Nat Grid: TR 22024 60578
- Nearest Post Code: CT3 4BD
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'04"N,001°11'01"E or 51.30101,1.18363
¹https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1085456?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1085456?section=official-list-entry)
²https://kentarchaeology.org.uk/01/03/STD.htm (https://kentarchaeology.org.uk/01/03/STD.htm)
³https://churchesofengland.com/st-marys-church-in-stodmarsh-kent/ (https://churchesofengland.com/st-marys-church-in-stodmarsh-kent/)
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If you are correct MartinR, then it's not the church I thought it was. I've passed Stodmarsh church many times but never ventured inside. Must do that one day.
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Ah, maybe not. Would West Stourmouth, All Saints' be where you are thinking of? I've found a photo of the inside: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/682/20688847306_999dbe94e4_c.jpg (https://farm1.staticflickr.com/682/20688847306_999dbe94e4_c.jpg) and it matches the one you posted in most particulars: the double lancet window, the west end door, the modern galvanised trunking and the wooden structure to carry the bell turret. Talking of the latter, if you look closely at your photo you'll see that there is another sally hanging below the bell rope to the right of the picture. I think that this has become detached since the flickr image (above) shows two bell ropes to the right. That changes it from a two- to a three-bell installation, and Love's Guide¹ for Stourmouth, All Saints (no "West"?) lists three bells dating from 1615 (tenor, 5 cwt in C), 1605 and 1608. The church itself is grade I listed.² The building is Saxon with C12 alterations and windows from C14 and C15. the church is now redundant and cared for by the churches conservation Trust.
Location:
- Address: Church Lane, West Stourmouth
- Nat Grid: TR 25616 62880
- Nearest Post Code: CT3 1HT
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°19'13"N,001°14'11"E or 51.32026,1.23652
¹http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=275 (http://kent.lovesguide.com/tower.php?id=275)
²https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1203363?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1203363?section=official-list-entry)
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The picture posted is definitely of All Saints ,Stourmouth Church which John Walker and I passed on.
Check out the Steel trunking by the door and rising up the left of end wall.
The picture on this Tripadvisor link confirms .
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Tourism-g5504564-Stourmouth_Kent_England-Vacations.html
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Why did they put modern steel trunking in full view in the ancient church? Surely they could have found a better option?
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Apologies for the delay due to daughter's dissertation editing.
It was not Stodmarsh Church MartinR, but the similarities are there. It is indeed All Saints Church, importantly West Stourmouth to distinguish it from East Stourmouth, which has no church, but is a comparable sized settlement. Both Stourmouth's are a clear reflection of when the Isle of Thanet was a true island surrounded by the Wansum Channel and where the River (Great) Stour after flowing past Ashford and through Canterbury actually entered the south-western corner of the Wantsum. Due to this, the two settlements evolved as being at the 'mouth of the Stour', later Stourmouth despite being over 4.5miles from the sea.
The church itself is Grade I Listed and noted as being
The Church of All Saints, Stourmouth, contains late Saxon (c. 1000 or earlier), late 12th century, early 13th century, 14th and 15th century and post-Reformation work. The present church consists of a nave 45ft. 6 inches by 17ft. 3 inches, a south aisle of the same length and about 9ft. 4 inches in width "excluding the arcade in both instances"; a somewhat shorter and narrower north aisle whose width decreases a good deal from east to west; and an aisleless chancel, 24ft. 6 inches long from the west of the chancel arch to the east wall by 14ft. 9 inches broad. The original aisleless nave may be late Saxon c. 1000 A.D. or earlier. These are rough non-Caen stone quoins. Over the nave are the remains of a four-bay King-post roof "perhaps late 13th century in date" and inserted through the roof at the west end of the nave is a c. 14th century timber belfry. The chancel appears to date from c. 1200 and has a pair of lancets on either side. The east wall of the chancel and its buttresses and north and south returns, was completely rebuilt in the 19th century. The roof is largely 19th century. The north aisle probably dates from the 14th century, but contains the remains of 15th century windows. The top of the north aisle was cut down in the late 17th or 18th century to leave a low shed with a vestry at the west end; two dormers were added in the early 19th century. The west wall of the north aisle incorporated a 13th century buttress. Restoration work began on the south aisle in 1982 and concentrated on the roof. Excavation work took place within the church in 1985 and it was possible to produce a plan showing the different phases of building construction. The church is enclosed by an extensive earthwork.
Over to you MartinR
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Interesting info CAT.
My earlier comment about a nearby cottage being named after one of my family names refers to Impett Cottage, just along the road from the church. The Impetts were all over East Kent. Impett is a name on my maternal grandmother's side. My Great-grandfather (George Impett of Ickham) married a Measday - another name that appears over East Kent.
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Quite an easy one next. I've blanked out the names, but its an interesting navigation problem. Can you identify the area to the right?
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Near the entrance to one of the Kent creeks?
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No, not near a creek.
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A quick S.W.A.G. (Scientific Wild Arse Guess) off Queenborough?
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Land lubbers Guess Knock John Maunsell Forts. :)
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I'll refrain from any jokes about landlubbers ... seriously ... it's quite an effort ...
John, your SWAG is wrong, but I can see why you thought so. Grandarog, having pulled your leg a little, I'm afraid you are still a way off.
there'll be a clue along tomorrow morning if no one gets it.
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Goodwin Sands?
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(second attempt)
Yes John, it is indeed the old ship swallower. Cryptic clues would have been "Vespasian came here before he was emporer" (roman invasion of Britain) and "This man's son was a King and general" (King Harold Goodwinson). I'm including a larger and uncensored part of the chart. My initial submission was too big, I hope this one works.
If you look at Goodwin Knoll the drying height is 3.8m. With normal tides that means it stands about 2m above low water, but is hidden less than 2m below the water. It lurks there, just waiting to catch hold of your keel and add you to the Sands 2,000+ ships they've swallowed. Better keep a good fix!
Over to you.
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Thanks MartinR. It was just a guess as I haven't been able to find the navigation charts on-line. Quite fascinating. There must be a wealth of 'treasure' deep in those sands.
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FYI, the chart wasn't online, it is one of the folio of real paper charts I have for navigation, hence the two handwritten "(NOTE)"s which refer to a warning about changing depths. Just another hazard, the sands don't stay still!
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Next one up this evening ...
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Will add clues if not guessed straightaway.
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In full view on a wall in a medium size town. On GSV too.
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Sandwich?
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Sandwich?
Not there but you are in the right end of the county.
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Deal Town Hall? Just above the drinking fountain on the corner of St Georges Road and the High Street?
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Deal Town Hall? Just above the drinking fountain on the corner of St Georges Road and the High Street?
That was quick Stewie :) . Over to you ...
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Thanks Stewie, I found it from your directions. Location information:
- Nat Grid: TR 37664 52901
- Nearest Post Code: CT14 6TR
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°13'33",001°24'09" or 51.22579,1.40248
The building is grade II listed:https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1363477?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1363477?section=official-list-entry). However the official listing states that the drinking fountain was inserted by "Earl Grenville, Warden of the Cinque Ports at that time" but this is an error, it was actually Granville George Leveson-Gower, 2nd Earl Granville, KG PC FRS.
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Thanks JohnWalker, the Cinque Ports heraldry gave me a good idea and then it was a case of narrowing down which town it was in.
My next one was taken pre covid when Mrs Stewie and myself were visiting somewhere we had never been before so where did I take this picture and for a bonus point where were we going?
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Quick guess - in the roof space of Rochester Cathedral - heading for the tower?
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Yes it is JohnWalker, very well done! Mrs Stewie and myself were having a go at bell ringing and it was an honour to be allowed to ring the bell at the cathedral even if the sound is electronically synthesised for practice sessions. We didn't pursue this hobby as it wasn't really for me though Mrs Stewie seemed to be doing well.
Just for Martin R, the attached picture gives some idea where in the roof we were, the 'x' is roughly where I was standing when I took the picture.
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I learnt to ring at Rochester Cathedral so have walked that passage many times. Latterly I was been ringing at Frindsbury and acted as ringing master there. Unfortunately I had to give up ringing "proper" bells and now content myself with handbells. Incidentaly, the tenor at the cathedral is over 30cwt, so it is like swinging a family car around.
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Wow! I wasn't expecting to be correct. It just reminded me of a trip to the top of the Bell Harry Tower, Canterbury Cathedral. There is a walkway over part of the roof that has some similarities to your photo Stewie.
Next one up later.
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Sorry to be picky John, but the roof is the wood and slate construct over head. The vault is the stone and concrete structure you are walking over. there's a good reason for the stone vault over the quire. Sound from the choir, particularly the high voices of the choristers, is reflected by stone but absorbed by wood. The vault therefore acts as a medieval sound system, and in addition can make it sound like the angels are providing the upper line.
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No problem MartinR - bad description by me. It was the vault under the walkway that made me think of Canterbury Cathedral. Interesting fact about the vault acting as a sound system.
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Next one ...
Where is this warehouse? It still exists but the reason it was built for has now gone.
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Mid Kent. South of M20
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Obviously on a fair gradient, so options include the Greensand Ridge or a drop down to a waterway such as the Stour, where many a mill was to be found, needing storage?
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Not a river but there is a named stream nearby. I'm never sure of exactly where the Greensand Ridge border actually is. The maps I've found are not very helpful. However it is near the Greensand Way.
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We've discussed an area very close to this location before.
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An adjacent area has been filled in and part built on.
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A road that heads toward this warehouse is named after what was here previously.
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Would the area that has been filled in and built upon have been a mill pond?
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Well, I have found it at last, clues essential!
However, I have Man Flu, so will let someone else carry on while I go back to groaning on the sofa :-\
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Would the area that has been filled in and built upon have been a mill pond?
Much bigger and deeper than a mill pond.
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Clue: Rockery
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quarry?
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quarry?
Yes - also a clue to the road that leads toward this warehouse.
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The Quarries, Boughton Monchelsea ?
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The Quarries, Boughton Monchelsea ?
That's the road - now, to find the warehouse. Shouldn't be difficult.
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Oh naughty. It's not in The Quarries, but just around the corner in Old Tree Lane!
Location info:
- Nat Grid: TQ 77568 51607
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 4NQ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'10"N,000°32'32"E or 51.23601,0.54220
As an aside, some time ago I explained the reason for the "WGS84" annotation for the co-ordinates. I had a quick look at the earlier OSGB36 standard for the warehouse, and it differed from the WGS84 by about 1/10 mile, say 180 yards. Enough to put it in the next field.
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You have it MartinR. Looking at early aerial shots, I get the impression that this warehouse was part of the Ragstone Quarry workings. Perhaps another member can confirm?
Over to you MartinR
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A map one this time. An interesting bit of trackwork, but what for and where? BTW, don't get confused by the "93 10.008", it is not a height.
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Is it something to do with the super heavy gun batteries on the Martin Mill light railway?
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Looks like a sand or gravel pit for a brickfield.
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No to both, but Grandarog is closer.
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Munitions connection?
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Looks like it is the old chalk pit to the west of the Upper Bell on Bluebell Hill - roughly from above which the long lens photo of Kits Coty was taken in a previous challenge.
I only found the complex rail layout on a 25inch OS from 1895ish.
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Yes John, you're right. The tramway didn't connect with the rest of the system, instead it appears to have had an unloading area above the tramway in the earlier pit. the tramway passed through a tunnel to the Burham Brick, Lime and Cement Works down by the river. the BBLCW had its own clay pit, and clay + lime = cement. I've included a larger view to show the two quarries.
Location of the hut by the entrance points is at:
- Grid ref: TQ 74055 62012
- Co-ords: 51°19'51"N,000°29'50"E or 51.53056,0.49700
Over to you John Filmer.
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An interesting one MartinR, I must have looked around every known chalk pit, changing map dates before I found the outline on a later
map, then back tracked to the given clue. Good fun when done with added brain fog :o
Having (almost) survived Man Flu, and then Sainsbury's, I came back home to post the next GTP. It looks like the computer has, for the moment, eaten it. So here is a hastily cobbled replacement.
Should be very simple...
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Is it connected to an Abbey mid-Kent area?
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The Gatehouse was the description when I knew it 50odd years ago.
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I think I recognise your pic from visiting friends at West Malling years ago,i am sure they said it was something to do with an Abbey?
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I knew it as the Gatehouse to St Mary’s Abbey.
It was home to a Dr Nosworthy, a large, imposing gentleman whose function for the nuns of the Abbey I never found out.
He was most concerned that if the power went off, then his new, gas fired heating system would stop, unlike his ancient solid fuel device that would keep burning. This was about 1973 or so and power cuts commonplace. I got him a caravan battery and a 12/240volt inverter. He was quite happy as he got enough power to also power a reading light.
Over to you grandarog
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That inverter was as big as the battery, and however it worked (witchcraft?) it made a very loud constant buzzing noise.
During this time there was a fuel saving overall speed limit of 50mph. Dr Nosworthy phoned me one day, as Service Manager I was a customer’s usual point of contact, to ask me to have a word with my boss. He had been seen on many occasions charging up and down the M20 at his usual 80-100mph. Unfortunately for him, he was the driver of a canary yellow Jaguar XJS (aka the flying banana) so not a lot of point denying it 8) When I did mention it, for a Polish born person his range of Anglo Saxon was pretty impressive!
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Why can't West Malling do the decent thing and keep its abbey next to the church? >:(
Well done Grandarog. Here's some details:
- Grade*: I
- Grid ref: TQ 68222 57740
- Statutory Address: Gatehouse and Chapel to St. Mary's Abbey, Swan Street.
- Nearest Post Code: ME19 6LW
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°17'38"N,000°24'42"E or 51.29344,0.41338
*https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1209130?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1209130?section=official-list-entry)
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That inverter was as big as the battery, and however it worked (witchcraft?) it made a very loud constant buzzing noise.
At that time inverters were fairly inefficient analogue devices. There would be a 50 Hz oscillator, amplifier, power stage, transformer and fuse. The power stages and transformers were notorious for the hum at mains frequency (hysteresis loss in the latter if you're bothered).
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Thanks John Filmer.I wasnt quite sure of my memory.Have since found it. Apparently now called St Benedict's Centre,housing a Nunnery.
An excellent place for relaxation, reflection and rest. Peaceful atmosphere with the presence of God. You're prayed for, all the time you are there, by the Nuns.It is
Next GTP this evening.
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Here we go with the next one. Where does this door lead to?
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If only I could think of a suitable/clean “knock knock” joke…
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Freemason Lodge?
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No and definitely nothing to do with free.
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A bank then?
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Not a Bank ,but just as secure.
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Post Office?
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Not a Post office ,but is a Government Institution.
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Prison?
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Good Guess ,Just need the right one now. :)
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HM Prison Blantyre House, Goudhurst
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Beachbum, You have a picture of the building, but it is not Blantyre ,Goudhurst.
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Isle of Sheppey cluster?
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East Sutton Park Prison?
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Well done Beachbum,you got it.
Over to you for the next one.
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Thanks grandarog.
Next one is a peaceful place..........
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Religious?
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From your description Is it a retreat ,maybe an Abbey?
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That pat of East Sutton Park Prison is a grade II listed building number 1084345, URL: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1084345?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1084345?section=official-list-entry) there appear to be other listings within the prison complex, but I haven't chased them up.
Location information:
- Nat Grid: TQ 82780 49478
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 3DF
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°12'55"N,000°36'56"E or 51.21525,0.61569
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Thanks for the East Sutton Park info MartinR 8)
You are both right so far
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More information of the listed buildings and scheduled monument within the prison complex.
- Medieval moated site: scheduled monument. List number 10130811
- Pig styes and gate pier about 4 metres east of item 5/60: grade II. List number 10609222
- Garden wall about 4½ metres north of stockyard: grade II. List number 13442683
- East half of stockyard: grade II. List number 10685684
- Deerhouse about 8 metres south of stockyard: grade II. List number 13565515
- West half of stockyard: grade II. List number 10609216
- Former riding school and prospect tower: grade II. List number 10843527
- Outbuilding about 7 metres south of East Sutton Park: grade II. List number 13443068
I've not given location information. Grid references are available from the listings as is a map, however I doubt that the prison service would welcome unannounced visitors!
1https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1013081?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1013081?section=official-list-entry)
2https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060922?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060922?section=official-list-entry)
3https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1344268?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1344268?section=official-list-entry)
4https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1068568?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1068568?section=official-list-entry)
5https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1356551?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1356551?section=official-list-entry)
6https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060921?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1060921?section=official-list-entry)
7https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1084352?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1084352?section=official-list-entry)
8https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1344306?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1344306?section=official-list-entry)
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I've found your GTP, Beachbum but as I've had a few lately, I'll hold fire unless it drags on.
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Can you give a clue where we should be looking please.
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Coastal in East Kent
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Searching "Abbeys+East Kent" on Google tells me your clue picture is of St Augustin's Abbey ,Ramsgate. :)
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You have it grandarog, so much history on this complex. This part now operating as a Retreat
https://www.divineuk.org/ramsgate/
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Moe info.........
https://www.augustine-pugin.org.uk
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That "Divine Retreat Centre" piece is being a bit naughty. "Christian faith was preached in Britain for the first time on the blessed shores of Kent by St. Augustine" is just not true. Christianity arrived on these shores during the Roman occupation, either quietly before Constantine or officially thereafter (see the chapel at Lullingstone Roman Villa, 4thC). Now it could be argued that this was the was the British, not the English. However even that claim is a little difficult. In Northumbria the Christian tradition remained alongside the incoming Anglo-Saxon paganism which, in part, explains the relative ease of Paulinus' conversion of the area compared to the Augustinian attempts in Kent and the south.
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Thanks Beachbum and MartinR for the extra info.
Next one shouldn't last long. Where is this "T" junction that many people have gone straight ahead to their regret.
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I was only there the other day, so I’ll hold fire for now….
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That was my journey to work for around 25 years. A regular scene was a car buried in the trees. I'll hold for now - wouldn't be a guess.
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Clue................CT postcode area.
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Aha, Bifrons Road, Just off the A2, seen it many times on the way to the Zoo. It can catch you out!!!
DTT
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Even when you’ve stopped, the sight lines are a bit dodgy. Friend from Thannington calls it Kamikaze Corner 😳
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You have it DaveTheTrain .Actually Bifrons Hill. People come up the sip road at the A2 speed and realise it was too fast when they go straight across the junction. When I used to take the van to Wingham ,picking up veg, for the shop.It was unusual not to see a car in the hedge or wrapped round the sign board. Fast as repairs were carried out another crashed. I think the Temporary barriers are more or less permanent unless things have improved.
Over to you.
PS hows Sentinel these days? Dont see him on here.
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Hill not Road, that makes a difference! The only Bifrons Road I could find was a cul-de-sac in Patrixbourne.
Location:
- Roads: Turning to Bridge off the A2 southbound, unclassified.
- Nat Grid: TR 18071 55146
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 5AE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°15'14"N,001°07'25"E or 51.25376,1.12370
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Thanks Granarog. It is a dicey junction as you say.
I do see Sentinel S4 occasionally but not as much. I think he is busy with work, motorbikes and decorating!
Anyway, where is this. I would be interested to know why it attracted so many people.
DTT
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Here's me trying to be clever, and discovering that Salmon and Gluckstein Ltd wasn't a local business. :-( From Wikipedia: "by the turn of the century Salmon and Gluckstein Ltd was the world's largest retail tobacconist, owning 140 retail outlets in 1901"!¹ They were even the finance behind J Lyons & Co Ltd,² of the cakes and coffee shop business. G&T Rowe furnishing Ironmonger doesn't even get a mention in a search engine. The banner opposite the ?town hall? balcony mentions "King", so perhaps this is a royal visit, but where I've no idea yet.
¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_%26_Gluckstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_%26_Gluckstein)
²https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Lyons_and_Co. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Lyons_and_Co.)
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Found it But will hold off for a while.
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Martin is correct, it is a Town Hall. The King reference, I think (although I stand to be corrected) is in connection to the Street name. But what were they doing?
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Armistice Day?
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Its at Ramsgate but haven't a scooby what the occasion was. ???
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Rog has it. It is the declaration of the poll result, from the old town hall at junction of King, Queen and Harbour Street.
Over to you, Grandarog.
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Thanks DaveTheTrain,.
I only found it by locating where the Ironmongers shop was.
I am still none the wiser .What was the Poll for ? Mayor or General election result or something else? Any idea what year?
Will sort out next guess this evening.
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This is the celebration of Mr Norman Craig MP for the Isle of Thanet joining the House of Commons January 15th 1910. He was involved in the Budget and the Treasury
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Are you quite certain that you've got the right election? That board has a first line of "MAR...", a second line of "KING ..." and an indecipherable third line.
The 1904 Isle of Thanet by-election saw Harry Marks (Con) beat Joseph King (Lib). The 1906 general election saw Harry Marks (Con) beat Joseph King (Lib) with Frederick Goodhart (Ind Con) in third place.
If the third line was the majority, then it would suggest 1904 whereas if it were the entry for Goohart then the scene is the 1906 general election.
The January 1910 general election saw Norman Craig (Con) beat Julian Weigall (Lib) whilst in the December 1910 general election Craig was returned unopposed.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Thanet_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_1900s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Thanet_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_1900s) for details.
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At least we now know it was an Election for Parliament result celebration.
Here's the next one much less complicated . Where would you see this view?
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Found it but will hold back for now. Quite a place.
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Here is the photo of the Election Rally in Ramsgate
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They're not the same photo though. There are far more people in the original posting, as well as the board. There's a clock in the 1910 photo but not the the other, the people at the window are different, as is the man standing on Rowe's balcony.
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MartinR is correct in that the postcard image is indeed the 1906 Election (see below)
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No guesses Time for a Clue . Sittingbourne area.
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I knew it was familiar… Tunstall House, Tunstall.
Must have driven past it thousands of times.
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Thats it JohnFilmer. Victorian Post box in the Wall other side of Gateway.
Over to you.
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I even went to a couple of “Do’s” in the old village hall opposite, and walked up through there with a girlfriend who lived in Park Drive. No wonder it looked familiar.
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The old village hall is now a house.
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Location info:
- Nat Grid: TQ 89463 61792
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 8DX
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°19'25"N,000°43'04"E or 51.32367,0.7177869
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Where is this church hiding in the bushes?
North of the M20
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Mid Kent
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Random Guess to start the ball rolling . East Sutton??
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A bit too random grandarog, needs to be north of M20.
Go ESE (ish) a few miles-other measures of distance are available.
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https://facultyonline.churchofengland.org/church-heritage-record-charing-heath-holy-trinity-606206
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Well done, Local Hiker, that’s the place.
I was checking out some other potential GTP on Google when I noticed Church Hill, so went looking for a church. It is well hidden, even on street view. So I have no idea of the history of it, but it looks interesting.
My brother in law’s current long term project is completely renovating his late in laws bungalow about a mile from there, so I might combine visiting both one day.
Over to you Local Hiker
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Thanks johnfilmer. I am not familiar with that particular church. Google maps and lady luck provided on this occasion.
This next GTP is very famous; you either know it or you don't. If you don't, you will probably realise that you did once it is guessed.
My photo from last year, and my father in the same place 25 years ago.
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- Nat Grid (from NHLE): TQ 92248 49432
- Nearest Post Code: TN27 0BU
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°12'42"N,000°45'04"E or 51.21173,0.75108
The church started as an infant school in 1861, hence the unusual "north" façade. the church is aligned NW-SE rather than W-E. A new school was built behind it (now called the Old School House) after which the original buildings were extended with an apsoidal East End and a bell cote. In 1872 it was consecrated as a Chapel of Ease to SS Peter and Paul, Charing. In 1874 the parish of Charing Heath was created and the chapel became the church.
There is a single bell in the bell cote of about 1¼ cwt.
The church is grade II listed.
(@John: aren't "other measures" only available in less fortunate lands to the south?)
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Interesting one LocalHiker. I feel I should know it, but it's not ringing any bells so far. The search begins ...
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Just remembered where I'd seen it. As always, I'll hold back as it's not a guess.
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Is it Chartwell? Just a guess really.
DTT
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DaveTheTrain, it is at Chartwell, one of Churchill's favourite spots to sit and chill apparently. Over to you...
This website elaborates appropriately http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2009/11/12/chartwell-the-water-garden/
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Thanks Local Hiker, it's always a nice day out there.
Next one...
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Lovely Postcard from early in the last Century. Sent to Mrs Marriot at Eastbourne. You can buy it for £9.99. :)
I will hold off for now.
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Lovely Postcard from early in the last Century. Sent to Mrs Marriot at Eastbourne. You can buy it for £9.99. :)
I will hold off for now.
Indeed it was, Rog. 😀😀
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East Kent?
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I would say so.
DTT
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A principal highway.
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Looks like Royal Oak on the signboard. I'll take a guess at the one that was in Upstreet although the rest of the photo looks very different to today.
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JW has it! Over to you.
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Thank you DTT.
Next one up later.
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In lieu of location information, this is how it looks today:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3223401,1.1948594,3a,26y,49.98h,91.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQOzjYJ319Maq0HJBRl5HRg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3223401,1.1948594,3a,26y,49.98h,91.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQOzjYJ319Maq0HJBRl5HRg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
The pub on the right and the house on the left are basically unchanged apart from the front door being blocked up and the rendering applied. The rest of the street however ... !
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Right, here we go again.
Where was this view taken from and what is the name of the waterway?
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North Kent?
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Is it on Cliffe Marshes?
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North Kent - yes
Cliffe marshes - no
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Yantlett?
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Yantlett?
Not Yantlett. Never heard of that before, so had to look it up. Something else I've learnt.
In the correct general area of Kent though.
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FYI, while I'm thinking, the two halves of the Yantlet used to be joined and formed a navigable creek between the Medway and the Thames. It cut off the Isle of Grain from the Hoo Peninsular, thus making Grain a true island. The northern mouth of the Yantlet is marked by the London Stone. A line from there to near Southend-on-Sea marks the limit of London's control of the Thames. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yantlet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yantlet) for more details.
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Next guess: are we on the Isle of Sheppey?
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is it Stangate Creek on the Medway?
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Not Stangate or Sheppey. Head West.
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Long shot, but is it a silted up part of the Thames & Medway Canal?
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Not the Thames and Medway Canal. Head further west.
Clue: A line of six-arm pylons crosses in front of the camera position. Cables are out of sight above the camera line of view.
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Almost outside this group's area.
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Out on the Swanscombe Marshes somewhere?
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Found it earlier, but will hold fire for now as a bit busy, only having a tea break ::)
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Out on the Swanscombe Marshes somewhere?
Still need to go a bit further west. Most of the area in the photo is in Kent.
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River Darent upstream of the River Cray confluence? Not found the site, but I'm running out of Kent and waterways.
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River Darent upstream of the River Cray confluence? Not found the site, but I'm running out of Kent and waterways.
That's close enough MartinR. It's taken from a bridge on University Way. The Cray confluence is just out of sight joining from the left. The Kent and Greater London Boundary runs along the Cray and then along the Darent, so my GTP was only just within Kent.
Over to you ...
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Tomorrow ...
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As promised.
Location of John's Camera:
- Nat Grid: TQ 53703 75649
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°27'32"N,000°12'40"E or 51.458955,0.211013
I'm sorry but getting out and about is still a problem, and I expect it to be so for at least another month, so we're back to maps. Where's this? Plenty of hints, I could have hidden much more if I was feeling rotten. :)
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OK, time for a hint. That blue at the bottom is navigable water.
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Found it after a good search :) . I do enjoy these map GTPs - gives my brain a bit of exercise.
I'll hold for now as I've only just entered a GTP.
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Is there anyone there? Time for another hint: the original occupants of the property were evicted, but eventually bought it back.
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Is there anyone there? Time for another hint: the original occupants of the property were evicted, but eventually bought it back.
If there are no guesses by tomorrow evening (Mon), I'll go for it to keep things moving.
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Is it Aylesford Priory?
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You beat me to it Stewie. :) :) The Friars,Aylesford Priory.
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Yes Stewie. The screenshot below is as close as I can make it to the map original's area. Notice that although there have been new building, the ones shown on the map are still all there. So is the duck pond.
(OT: I get the last round of this radium treatment on Tuesday, so I'd hope in 3 or 4 weeks to be able to get out a bit more.)
Over to you Stewie.
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Thank you Martin R and best wishes for your treatment and a speedy recovery. The KHF needs contributors such as yourself!
I thought I might have a go at a map in the future should I get another turn. However Mrs Stewie has asked me to field this one for the time being, so what is the name of this building and where is it?
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MartinR - I join Stewie in offering my best wishes for your treatment and wish you a speedy recovery.
John
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Stewie - Your GTP = Somewhere near the Kent/Sussex border?
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Not there Johnwalker I can confidently state that it is east of the Kent / Sussex border!
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MartinR. Good luck getting Nuked tomorrow, Onwards and Upwards you will soon be out to play again. :)♥♥
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Stewie, if you are so confident, maybe that indicates that it is far away from the border? East Kent maybe?
MartinR, best wishes and hope the treatment not only goes well on the day, but has a good outcome.
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Johnfilmer, it seems that my statement made in haste was a little bit rash! So the location is mostly east of the Kent / Sussex border but not all of it. Apologies for my misdirection. :(
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A bit of misdirection just adds to the fun!
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Just realised I know this house. I've been in there. I'll hold off for now.
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Tunbridge Wells?
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Getting closer MartinR!
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Is it a former pub, Stewie?
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Not a pub Dave, a farmhouse.
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Its very close to a river and just under two miles to the nearest railway station.
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Found it, I thought I recognised it so I assumed it was a pub. But it is the Museum of Kent Life, Aylesford. And a very nice place it is too.
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Well done Dave, the building is Sandling Farmhouse at Kent Life, taken on a very wet Mothers Day a few weeks ago, Mrs Stewie is peering out of the frond door! From the Wikipedia page:
Sandling farmhouse is one of the original farm buildings. It was the home of George Brundle, the last tenant of the farm until his death at 98 in 2001. The building dates to the sixteenth century, and has links to Sir Thomas Wyatt.
Over to you Dave.
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Thanks Stewie. A good one. I have not been there for over twenty years, I remember how much I loved looking at the old forge.
Now this photo is a bit outside of my usual areas to throw Rog off the scent. ☺☺
I know where it is but have only driven it a few times in my adult life.
Guess away, no clues yet.
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Not a Guess,I'le pass on this one.You cant fool me that easy DTT i know where it is.Mind you, I wasn't around in 1925, to pop into FW Coopers shop to get my daily paper.Your Postcard could date as late as 1945.
Come on one and all have a guess ,the clues are there.
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Village in the Sittingbourne area?
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Are we looking towards the central/east of Sheppey?
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You are pretty much there CAT.
Dave
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Found it but CAT was so close, so I'll hold back for now.
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Has anyone else noticed that this thread has been read over 1,000,000 time?
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I think we have stalled I will check tomorrow but if no reply from CAT then we should take another guess.
Dave
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Yes I had noticed. Unfortunately with very little input from members on all the other subject pages it is the only thing keeping the Forum afloat. When I look to the stats at the bottom of the home page there are usually far more guests viewing than members.
We must be thankful that Stu keeps he Forum going for us that use it regularly.
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1,000,000 reads - that's quite something.
Ref: current GTP - Eastchurch High Street?
CAT's guess of mid Sheppey and a search of pubs in the area helped.
Next one up once DTT has confirmed the above.
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The Castle pub is still there but shops have become upmarket Boutique and Hair Dressers.:).
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Well I'd never have got that without Grandarog's GSV. As near as I can tell the camera was at:
- Nat Grid: TQ 98928 71390
- Nearest Post Code: ME12 4DE
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'24"N,000°51'32"E 51.40664,0.85882
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Next one - might be a stinker but we have some clever guys on here so maybe not.
Can be seen on GSV.
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Not that clever .Are you sure its not in Berlin or Russia . :)
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Not that clever .Are you sure its not in Berlin or Russia . :)
Head west quite a way.....
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Is it one of the sound walls used for aircraft detection?
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Is it one of the sound walls used for aircraft detection?
Not those Martin - more recent - completed in the 80s. A WW1 airfield was close by.
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The WW1 nearby airfield took its name from the lane that led to it. The lane also leads to the GTP structure.
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Well the only RAF base that took its name from a road would appear to be RAF Guston Road, but I've been virtually up and down Guston Road and can't see and concrete monstrosities.
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Well the only RAF base that took its name from a road would appear to be RAF Guston Road, but I've been virtually up and down Guston Road and can't see and concrete monstrosities.
Not there Martin. This was a Royal Flying Corps (RFC) airfield. If you find the right place, you won;t miss these structures. You need to head roughly between NW and WNW.
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I did wonder about King's Hill, but Kings Hill Avenue hardly qualifies as a "lane".
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Was the airfield Joyce Green?
If so, is this beasty the barrier on Dartford Creek? Although it is actually on the River Darenth, Google labelling ……
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Was the airfield Joyce Green?
If so, is this beasty the barrier on Dartford Creek? Although it is actually on the River Darenth, Google labelling ……
Spot on JohnFilmer. It's about 250 metres before the Darent enters the Thames. It's a shame they didn't include a footbridge at the barrier. It would have saved a massive detour on the Thames Path.
Over to you.
https://www.remotelondon.com/joyce-green-airfield-dartford-marshes/ (https://www.remotelondon.com/joyce-green-airfield-dartford-marshes/)
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An interesting one JW. I should have looked at it on the laptop a bit earlier, I mistook the image and it would have saved a lot of time looking for a non-existant monolith. I had also looked at the structure a while ago when you set the river image, and the penny was very slow to drop.
And now for something completely different...
Where is this railway bridge? The finite number of railways and suitable topography for such a bridge means no clues yet, except that it is a live railway.
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I know this one, so will hold back for now.
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A view of the distinctive brick structures on the other side of the bridge from the original image. Unique?
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Oooo! Looks like someone didn't build the original wing walls properly. Considering which, is it on the Hastings line?
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Not the Hastings Line, Mid Kent.
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Mid Kent! - it's not where I thought it was ( a very similar bridge and river). I'll start searching.
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Found it - Goddington Lane, Harrietsham.
I'll use the one I thought it was as my next GTP.
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You have it JW.
A bridge to nothing public after the houses. When I first went down the lane I had a Scout mad son and a couple of his friends who had permission to camp further on. I remember the bridge being dark and forbidding, possibly more trees each end. Our superb Land Rover Defender 110 always made you feel pretty invincible, it went just about anywhere.
Back to you JW
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Well done JW. The early bird certainly caught this worm.
Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 86041 53201
- Nearest Post Code: ME17 1JX
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'51"N,000°39'51"E or 51.24763,0.66426
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Thanks JohnFilmer and MartinR for the location details.
Next one - (the bridge I thought JohnFilmer's GTP was, working from memory) Not quite the same though.
Once again - a working line.
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If that is the centre arch ,i've got it. Will hang back a while.
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If that is the centre arch ,i've got it. Will hang back a while.
Yes - it's the centre arch Grandarog. :)
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Kearsney, Dover?
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You have it Beachbum.
Over to you...
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Location:
- Address: Lower Road, Temple Ewell¹
- Nat Grid: TR 28771 44085
- Nearest Post Code: CT16 3DY
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°09'01"N,001°16'11"E or 51.150276,1.269727
¹According to GSV.
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Thanks John Walker, often treated as a shortcut until a bus gets involved :)
The next one is circa 1900
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It looks like two Boy Scouts in the road, so they bring the date to after 1908 at the very least.
Very impressive photo, I would love to know who the elegant lady in the serious black hat was, very assured in her body language.
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Found it. My Bro in Law was born close to that location and used to go to church at this location when he was about four years old. I'll hold for now as I've just had a couple of GTPs.
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I think this is a Margate brewer, I am assuming Margate or within five miles. Or have I got it wrong?
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Found it. The Wheatsheaf, St Peter's Broadstarirs. A Cobb & Co. Inn.
What a cracking picture.☺
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Here it is in 1919. GSV.
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Well done DTT, you have it. This is Vicarage Street, St. Peters.
The righthand structures are the same now with a Restaurant now in the Wheatsheaf. In the photo are two churches and two pubs, the Baptist Church is set back between the Wheatsheaf and St. Peters Church (the Red Lion opposite).
Over to you DTT.....
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Slightly better picture........
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Thanks Beachbum, that was a good one. I guessed it as I recognised the brewery sign. It looked a lot neater then.
This next one has a big clue in it.
Not that it helps but I once purchased a bag of chips in the building on the left.
DTT
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Is it Whitaker Street in Chatham?
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Quick off the blocks there, Stewie. It is. Well spotted. Over to you.
Dave
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Thanks Dave, being born & bred in Chatham, I recognised those gabled building straight away, I think the 'Fine Fare' supermarket used to be on the corner and there was a fish & chip shop there as well?
Now as the man once said, "and now for something completely different". This next one is a first for me in that it is not one of my pictures. The venue is somewhere I frequented in the first half of the 1980's on a fairly regular basis either with friends or with the future Mrs Stewie.
So where is this?
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Isle of Sheppey? Cant remember what it was called. :)
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Yes granderog it was on the Isle of Sheppey 🤓👍
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Casino Club is the only one I know of on Sheppey?
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All I can say JohnWalker is that it wasn't the called Casino Club when I was attending, as far as I know it only had one name whilst it was open.
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All I can say JohnWalker is that it wasn't the called Casino Club when I was attending, as far as I know it only had one name whilst it was open.
I only knew of one club on Sheppey. It was a big one with a balcony and stage. It had some big acts there. I thought it was called The Casino but it was a long time ago - early 1990s so I could be wrong. The guy who ran it was called Eric ??????.
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Hi Johnwalker, i've had a good search and found a club called the Casino Rooms which was (and I think still is) in Minster. The venue I attended only had one name for the duration of its 10 year lifetime from the late 70's to the late 80's and so was not there.
I'll start feeding in some more clues this afternoon if the trail goes cold.
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The nightclub was near the site of a former railway station.
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Stage Three, Leysdown?
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Well done JohnWalker, my favourite night club of the four we used to frequent. Over to you.
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For Martin R, the site of the former Stage 3 nightclub was here.
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Thanks Stewie, but what is the grid reference? ;)
The last couple have had decent addresses so I've not chased camera positions, nor have I got anywhere near. I'll get back to it, but I'm just in the midst or correcting proofs for an article in The Blackcountryman which is obviously not of much Kentish interest.
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Thanks Stewie, but what is the grid reference? ;)
The last couple have had decent addresses so I've not chased camera positions, nor have I got anywhere near. I'll get back to it, but I'm just in the midst or correcting proofs for an article in The Blackcountryman which is obviously not of much Kentish interest.
I think it's here MartinR 51.39836858765984, 0.9218825112712228
Are you from the Black Country MartinR? We've been to the Black Country Museum a number of times - an amazing place.
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Oh John, tut tut. The grid reference is TR 03349 70643, you've quoted the co-ordinates. :P To be fair though, unless you are into navigation there are a number of competing and confusing systems. The national grid simplifies things for land positions within the UK. It projects the UK in a modified Mercator projection onto a series of 100km x 100km squares identified by a pair of letters. Each square is progressively divided, a 10 figure reference like the above identifies a 1 m square. The co-ordinates are the traditional latitude and longitude. GSV uses these since they apply globally and are understood in all countries. When quoted decimally positive is North and East, negative South and West; for instance the Black country Museum is at 52.5200,-2.0755, we are just lucky in Kent that everything is positive.
I was born in Sheffield but at the age of 3 moved to the Black Country. We were just about 3 miles NNW from the museum in a place called Hurst Hill. We lived there for 6 years before moving back to a different part of Sheffield, then Middlesbrough, then Whitley Bay and Dad's last posting was to Kingswinford back on the periphery of the Black country. I've worked in both Middlesbrough and Whitley Bay before eventually getting a job in Kent. The plan was to stay a couple of years, well nigh on 40 years have passed and I'm still here!
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Thanks for all the info Martin. Always good to learn new things.
You've certainly moved about a bit - I still live under half a mile from where I was born!
Next one up shortly.
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Goes with Dad's job, a Methodist minister. Prior to the 1960s the typical stay was four years, and before the war only two years. It meant that my parents bought their first house when Dad retired, manses are "tied cottages" in law and if he had have died we would have had to get out before the following September.
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Interesting Martin. I didn't know that Methodist Ministers had to move about so often.
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Thinks that's pretty close to your last GTP . :)
I will hold off for a while.
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So a water mill near Dover?
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How about near Chilham?
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Grandarog and MartinR are closest.
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Crabble Corn Mill?
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Crabble Corn Mill?
Right river - wrong mill. :)
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Temple Ewell Mill, 1 Brookside
51.152317, 1.268824
TR 28641 44289
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Well done Jackie Paper.
I have it as Stanleys Mill on the left and DODS Mill on the right.
https://catalogue.millsarchive.org/stanleys-mill-temple-ewell-and-river-with-waterwheel (https://catalogue.millsarchive.org/stanleys-mill-temple-ewell-and-river-with-waterwheel)
https://webapps.kent.gov.uk/KCC.ExploringKentsPast.Web.Sites.Public/SingleResult.aspx?uid=MKE97843 (https://webapps.kent.gov.uk/KCC.ExploringKentsPast.Web.Sites.Public/SingleResult.aspx?uid=MKE97843)
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Just followed your clue and scouted around on Google maps. Dover looks a lot more interesting than I expected, must give it a proper visit.
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Just followed your clue and scouted around on Google maps. Dover looks a lot more interesting than I expected, must give it a proper visit.
I thought exactly the same. The area seemed quite pretty and I had never given Dover any thought that it may have some attractive corners. There seemed to a nice pub just around the corner from the Mill that would warrant a visit I think.
Dave
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Here's one to be going on with.
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One of my Sons lives near that building. Lots of left footers go there.
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It wouldn't be a guess for me, at times I've driven past it daily and I've photographed it. Details will follow a successful guess.
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Roman Catholic Church of the English Martyrs, Frindsbury Road Strood
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Lutonman has it, and others.
I'd better find some tougher ones for any future goes. :)
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I used to ring church bells at the nearby All Saints' Frindsbury, and still ring handbells in the church hall, just along the road.
Official listing (grade II): https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1422504?section=official-list-entry (https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1422504?section=official-list-entry) see also the comments page for pictures of the beautiful stained glass.
Reference on a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Frindsbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Frindsbury)
Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 73949 69841
- Nearest Post Code: ME2 4JA
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°24'03"N,000°29'57"E or 51.40093,0.49930
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Where will you find this? Visible on google
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Looks a bit out of place with those modern houses.
Medway area?
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Much further East, John Walker
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Whitstable?
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Your in the right town,
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Are we in Keames Yard car park near Cushing's View?
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Your near head North East a bit
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In the small garden next to Woodlawn St. Near the harbour. I only just spotted it :) .
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Yours John Walker, its known as Starvation point a memorial to those who lost their lives at sea. Was also a place where out of work seaman would congregate for work.
This was another clue on a Treasure trail I did.
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Thanks Lutonman. I've passed that garden many times and never noticed the wood carving or knew it was a memorial garden. Another interesting GTP that I have learned from. It will mean more next time I pass it.
51.36197896946695, 1.025781971107455
Next one up soon ...
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Next one...
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Are we still in Kent?
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Yes - very much so.
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I asked as Bing search of image brings up Hove Green Tunnel which is at Brighton in Sussex.
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Wrong title by Bing. It's definitely in Kent. The bridge is named after the road that runs through it. I've driven through it.
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Horn Street Bridge in Seabrook, Hythe.
The former Southern Railway Line that never got through to Folkestone Harbour as two Land owners refused access.
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Horn Street Bridge in Seabrook, Hythe.
The former Southern Railway Line that never got through to Folkestone Harbour as two Land owners refused access.
Well done Beachbum - I think it's the only remaining complete bridge on that line. The tunnel still exists near Sandling Station.
Over to you.
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Thanks John Walker. The top of the Bridge is a garden to the Home to the left on the embankment.
Next one for you..............
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Mum used to shop where this is when we lived at Stalisfield. :)
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Camera position for the Horn Street bridge:
- Nat Grid: TR 18597 35024
- Nearest Post Code: CT21 5RZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°04'22"N,001°07'08"E or 51.07289,1.11901
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I have done a few GTP clues around there, including another part of the same building, so not a guess and I’ll pass.
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Found it. It's in Market Place, Charing. Not sure of the name of the building though, but it's close to the church.
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You have it John Walker, see attached plaque photo
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 95372 49410
- Nearest Post Code: TN27 0LP
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°12'38"N,000°47'45"E or 51.21047,0.79573
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Thanks Beachbum.
Next one. Where is this elegant row of buildings?
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Medway Towns?
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I would "guess" at Margate, somewhere off of Trinity Square.
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I reckon Margate as well , still looking. :)
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Not Medway towns MartinR.
That was quick DTT and Grandarog ;D
Margate is the town - won't be long before someone gets it ...
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Number 12, Hawley Square, Margate.
DTT
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Well done DTT. I thought it might last a bit longer. Over to you.
Hawley Square is recommended for inclusion on the local list of heritage assets for the following principal reasons: Age, rarity and survival: During the late C18, the building of Hawley Square represented an important aspect in the development of Margate as a fashionable seaside resort for the middle and upper classes. The Square was one of the first to be built at a seaside resort, and the first of its kind to be built in Margate with an enclosed pleasure garden forming an integral part of its surrounding Georgian terraced buildings. The majority of the Georgian buildings are, in 2015, listed grade II, and although the garden’s early C19 design was altered in the 1930s, and the iron railings removed in the 1960s, the historic boundary has not altered, and the Square’s survival overall demonstrates high rarity value. Importantly, the reinstatement of the garden’s iron railings is achievable and would help restore historic integrity. Aesthetic value: The distinctive early- C19 design, emulating a prototype by the influential writer and horticulturist John Claudius Loudon and the early C18 planting principles of Thomas Fairchild, was, outside London, particularly innovative, and could form the basis of a contemporary design in any restoration of the garden. Although the garden’s design was radically simplified in the 1930s, it exemplified a municipal plan typical of its time, and is little changed. In 2015, the garden is enhanced by the survival of veteran trees from the 1930s and the oak tree at the centre from the early C19, but diminished by the ubiquitous use of parking meters, dog waste bins and litter bins placed within the garden. Evidential value: Although a specific plan of the C19 garden has not come to light, early C19 maps clearly show the garden’s distinctive design and planting layout. The archaeological potential exists to identify more clearly the location of the serpentine walks of the early design by the use of aerial scanning techniques. Throughout the C19, various guides recording the social and economic significance of the Square provide valuable evidential value; and during the late C19 and early C20 detailed provisions in various Orders and Acts, governing the specific management of the garden, give high evidential value. From the early to mid C20, further evidential value is provided by archive photographs and references to the garden in council minutes. Historic association: in the early C19, important local figures associated with Hawley Square include the solicitor, John Boys, the surgeon, Daniel Jarvis, and the librarian, Samuel Bettison. Also in the early C19, notable visitors during ‘the season’ included Elizabeth Soane, wife of the renowned architect Sir John Soane. In the early C20, the Theatre Royal’s historic associations with national figures include the founder of the Suffragette movement, Emmeline Pankhurst, her daughter Christabel, and the actor Charlie Chaplin. In 1934, the British artist Walter Sickert lectured at the Square’s School of Art. 3 Social, communal and economic value: throughout its history the garden has brought significant social and economic benefits to Margate by helping to attract visitors who stayed in the Square’s fashionable boarding houses and hotels. From the early C19, its significance was reinforced by specific legislative provisions to help ensure the garden’s effective maintenance and preservation. Since that time to the present day, the residents of the Square and the public at large, have placed great value on the garden both as a pleasure ground and an important social amenity.
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Thanks John, local knowledge from me as I grew up in this area, or at least in Thanet and learned to drive around these roads. I still park in this area when visiting Margate old town. Never went to the shell Groto though.
Now, where is this? It was extant when I was a kid, but no longer.
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Tram shed?
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It is a Tram shed, John.
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A long shot. My Bro in law's grandad used to signwrite trams in Thanet. Could this be the paint shop?
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Westbrook Tram Shed, Canterbury Road, Margate
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Beachbum has it.
It was at the junction of Canterbury Road and George V Avenue, Westbrook, Margate.
Google now shows it as:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Westbrook,+Margate/@51.3809413,1.3580177,18z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47d95258cb035e1f:0xde2ff925919db46d!8m2!3d51.3828212!4d1.3558075!16s%2Fm%2F02w2qgz?entry=ttu
Over to BB.
Dave
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Thank you DaveTheTrain. Always noticed this building when I was a Teenager passing by.
Next one for you....
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Would that be where the Tilmanstone to Dover Harbour Aerial Ropeway emerged from the cliffs above the eastern arm of Dover Harbour?
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You need to go North from that location MartinR
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Construction of the undergound section of the Fan Bay sound mirrors?
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You are getting warm John Walker
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Observation platform looking across the channel below Capel le Fern.? :)
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Entrance to the gun emplacement, St Margarest Bay?
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Go North everyone
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The tunnel in Pegwell Bay?
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Not Pegwell John Walker, but close
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Go North from Pegwell
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North takes me to the coast around Margate. Near the Lido, Cliftonville?
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Now go East JW
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Anything to do with Kingsgate Castle?
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No, but the Castle could be seen from the structure
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There's an opening in the cliff face near Joss Bay. Could it be The Joss Bay Coastal Battery?
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Right location JW, different structure
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A beachside connection to 'Redcourt' on top of the cliff?
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revisit one of your earlier suggestions JW
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Am I correct in thinking it is a military construction (going by the men in the photo) ?
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Military indeed JW. There were 2 structures over 'hear' :)
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Platform to do with the Sound Mirrors at Joss Bay. Phoyo Andrew_Grantham.
"However, in 1918 the area became home to a research station that conducted a secret programme of acoustic trials under the guidance of Major Wiliam Sansome Tucker, an imaginative and ambitious advocate of sound as a military resource and tool of defence. Just north of the beach huts a station HQ would soon appear, resembling little more than a shed adorned with sandbags. The nearby cliffs would provide a well orientated catchment area for sound sources originating near northern France, and the stage would be set for a series of sonic experiments that ranged from the innovative to bizarre.
www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=1479419&sort=2&rational=m&recordsperpage=60&maplat=51.38277548&maplong=1.44593468&mapisa=1000&mapist=os&mapilo=1.4459&mapila=51.3828&mapiloe=e&mapilan=n&mapios=TR397705&mapigrn=170550&mapigre=639750&mapipc=&resourceID=19191
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Location:
- Grid ref¹: TR 39811 70403
- Co-ords²: 1.446567, 51.379716
¹ from Heritage Gateway
² from Britain from Above
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Well done grandarog, it is one of the Joss Bay sound mirrors.
One was carved into the Cliff and concrete faced, the other was a seperate structure.
By 1921 they were removed and the Technology moved down the Coast.
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FYI - The Original Sound Mirror
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Well done Beachbum,that took some finding. :) When I did inundated with info on the web.
Lets hope this one is easier. Where did I see this Gable End..
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Clue 1.
There is a very strong Battle of Britain connection where this building stands. :)
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Biggin Hill area?
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No go Southeastish.
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Found it ;) . I'll hold for now.
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That was quick . Come on you others see if you can find it as fast as John Walker did.
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My first thought was Chartwell
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Stewie.You need to go East South East a fair distance yet.
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Headcorn?
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Lutonman .Much further.
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Clue .Concentrate on B of B and WW2 locations.
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I am !looking at Hawkinge.
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That's the place now find the Building.
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Hawkinge Crematorium. I did not even know it had one!
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Well Done .Built in 1956 on the site of an existing Cemetery on the edge of the Airfield.
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Thanks Rog. A fine looking building.
Where is this? My mate lives opposite but that won't help you. It's a house now. And very appropriately named.
Update:
I shall repost this GTP tonight as I see now that you can see through the redaction of the village name on the photo I posted!!!
More to follow.
Dave
Okay all, all sorted. Sorry about that. I redacted the name of the village on last night's photo but when I looked today I could just make out the name.
Where is this please?
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Haven't got a scooby yet but love the Milk Bottles. :)
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Sutton Valence area?
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Canterbury area?
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Chilham?
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Rog is closest with Canterbury area,or outlying villages. Not Chilham, head East ish.
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The pub today looks much the same, as does the road.
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Found it - Bishopsbourne and the Mermaid Inn. One of the cottages is named Hokey Cokey Cottage ;D . As you say DTT, it hasn't changed a lot.
51.22901405326404, 1.1364511871277212
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Well done ME it is just there, I had occasion to pass it recently and thought it would make a great guess the place. OTY.
Dave
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Thanks DTT. Bishopsbourne is a lovely village with a pub, church and village hall. Nearby are Bourne Park House and Charlton Park house.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishopsbourne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishopsbourne)
Next one ...
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Is it a water works building?
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I know this well over many years, so I’ll pass.
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I think it is a pumping station, certainly it has a Southeast Water notice outside it.
Location:
- Address: 29, The Street, Boxley
- Nat Grid: TQ 77413 59362
- Nearest Post Code: ME14 3DZ[
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°18'21"N,000°32'38"E or 51.30573,0.54383
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That was quick :D. Over to you MartinR ...
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A rather nice garden of remembrance somewhere in Kent:
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That's the Burham War Memorial twixt Snodland and Hempsted Valley.
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That was quick! Over to you.
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Thanks MartinR. There aren't many War Memorials in Kent that I haven't visited.
Next one up tomorrow
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That's the Burham War Memorial twixt Snodland and Hempsted Valley.
Where is that, Rog? I don't recognise it.
Dave
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DaveTheTrain,
he memorial is in a little garden on the corner of Rochester Road and Church Street as you go through Burnham.
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Here,s the next one as promised. Should be easy for some.
Where did I spot this pristine Bench?
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Preserved Railway?
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Bodiam?
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Yes narrow gauge Railway . Not Bodiam
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S&KLR?
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Bredgar and Wormshill?
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Spot on johnfilmer. Over to you. :)
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I've still not been able to visit the Bredgar and Wormshill railway. The photos I've seen look good.
We've had a few quick-fire GTPs of late. It certainly keeps things moving. I think I'll have to find a real stinker for my next one ;D.
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I spotted this on my travels yesterday, so I've popped along via GSV to bring you this...
Suitably rural looking, possibly even has a bus pass by occasionally!
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Sturry to Reculver Road?
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Come west ish JW
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North of M2
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Elf and Safety hadn’t been invented otherwise putting this on one side of a double blind junction would raise concerns with modern traffic volumes and speed.
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On the A2, say Faversham to Medway?
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I see where you could get that idea Martin, there are two similar structures in Newington. This, however, is rural and on a junction. The give way lines for the road from the left are just to the right of the photo, and a warning chevron pointing to the right for traffic from behind the camera, which has priority over that running straight ahead. This then leads into another junction which is blind. I nearly collected some cyclists there a while ago as they had underestimated the severity of the blind bend leading out of the junction and were coming at me on my side of the road. Brakes are good on the Yeti :)
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South of A2
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Nearby village has a very distinctive, remote, church, now redundant.
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There is a dead pub, now house, up the road to the left, although being between villages it has been listed on the Dover website as being in the larger village. The little hamlet served by this bus shelter also goes by yet another name and seems to be part of the larger village which is to the north.
When I said north of M2, it is only just…
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If you get up close on Google Maps it even has a little blue bus stop logo.
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Is anybody there?…
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Chequers Hill, near to Newbury and Kingsdown (below Lynsted)
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Well done! I was beginning to think that no one was out there…
Seems that this was a standard design bus shelter, I spent many hours standing in one at Newington over my time as a chorister, waiting to catch the bus for a mile home. I was later allowed to use a push bike, but at night on the A2, a slightly scary experience in hindsight.
Over to you.
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Thanks johnfilmer. Not so many guesses lately?
Just had a flash back to the open deck rear entrances on the East Kent double deckers and running flat out to grab the corner pole and jump in 8)
So next one for you............
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Obviously a windmill, but which one?
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Bus shelter location:
- Nat Grid: TQ9399359237
- Nearest Post Code: ME9 0JW
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°17'57"N, 000°46'53"E or 51.29920,0.78133
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First guess .Drapers Mill ,Margate.?
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Spot on grandarog, I walked past it on a sunny day the other week.
Over to you..
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Looks fascinating. Unfortunately my windmill climbing days are past. >:( Here's the location information:
- Address: St Peter's Footpath, Dane Valley, Margate CT9 2SP
- Nat Grid: TR 36220 69999
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°22'47"N,001°23'35"E or 51.37986,1.39314
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Thanks Beachbum........That was a shock ! It was the only Mill I could think of with a black cowl. "Pure Guess".
Must find a picture to post now.
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Found this photo a few years ago . Good Luck. :) Name the Village.
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Medway area?
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Not Medway .Head ESE ish. For a fair distance.
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Lynsted?
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johnfilmer, You are going the right way not there yet. :)
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Got it :)
As I only just played, I’ll hold back for now.
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Come on folks have a guess. CT Postcode.
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It’s usually a popular place for a guess.
Chilham looking down the hill from the square towards the car park.
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Well done johnfilmer. We have a strong family connection with Chilham.
Over to you.
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Thank you grandarog, I'll put up the next one tomorrow.
My grandfather's uncle was the saddler and harness maker in Chilham at the start of the 20th century. Walter Clements is buried in the churchyard, and the house facing the square, backing onto the Church is called Clements Cottage. His father was also a Saddler and was born in Doddington a few hundred yards from where I live now. He was trained by the local saddler before setting up on his own, first in Minster, Sheppey, then in Butchery Lane, Canterbury.
Small world...
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This is a poor picture of somewhere that I would like to know more about. It was demolished about 1885 so street view is no use!
Generally Medway area.
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johnfilmer.
Know it so will hold off.
You can read all about it in the Medway Action Forum booklet. March 2018 Issue 540.
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Well that's me rumbled - I stole the image from there grandarog! I was looking for something else, but found that first, and in a hurry to get something other than a bus shelter as a clue...
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Never seen this before. Hoo area?
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Go south from Hoo, to the very edge of Medway. Maidstone creeps up to surprise many.
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The lost chapel of Lidsing?
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Chilham location:
- Nat Grid: TR 06763 53592
- Nearest Post Code: CT4 8BZ
- Co-ords (WGS84): 51°14'38"N,000°57'40"E or 51.24402,0.96099
Apologies if I'm getting later at doing the locations but I'm finding sitting at the computer increasingly uncomfortable, so need to do things in short bursts.
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JW has it, the Chapel of St Mary Magdelene at Lidsing.
I found an interesting article with more pictures https://jamesweirhbcblog.wordpress.com/2014/07/10/the-lost-chapel-of-lidsing-kent/
My interest comes from my mother's grandfather who left his job in Chatham Dockyard, as an Anglesmith, after his wife died in 1903. He left Luton and took on The Harrow at Lidsing. My mother visited frequently, the family walking from Luton Road and back on a Sunday afternoon. She always pronounced the hamlet as Lidjin.
Walter Colyer went on to marry his Irish barmaid Catherine, 20years his junior, and kept the Harrow until his death in October 1921.
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Location:
- Nat Grid: TQ 79120 63236
- Nearest Post Code: ME7 3PD
- Co-ords (WGS84) 51°20'24"N,000°34'13"E or 51.33999,0.57024
The OS 6" County series 1869 (as mentioned in the link John provided) can be seen overlaid over modern satellite imagery here: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.0&lat=51.34032&lon=0.57249&layers=257&b=1&o=44 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.0&lat=51.34032&lon=0.57249&layers=257&b=1&o=44)
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Very interesting one JohnFilmer and thank you for telling us about your family.
Next one ...
Another lost building. This is part of a large building. Now replaced by a Sheltered Housing Complex named after a king.
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Wild guess: Charles Court, Tunbridge Wells?
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Too near the edge of Kent Beachbum.
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King Arther Court, Sittingbourne?
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King Arther Court, Sittingbourne?
More central Kent. This building was purpose built.
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Kings Lodge, Maidstone?
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Beachbum You must be joking with King Arthur Court. Sittingbourne doesn't have any archtechural marvels.
Exeptions being Church,s and the Artdeco Burtons shop front and the old Odeon Cinema.
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Beachbum is closest with King's Lodge, Maidstone. Don't forget, this building was demolished in the 80s/90s.
Replaced by a large sheltered housing complex which is named after an ancient king.
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Thomas Place, Maidstone?
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It’s the old Maidstone Hospital in Marsham Street, where now stands Hengist Court.
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Well done JohnFilmer. West Kent Hospital, Maidstone. My maternal great grandfather, George Impett, was employed as head gardener at Roydon Hall in 1906. The family lived in a tied-cottage near Wateringbury. In 1907, my great-grandfather suddenly became ill and was taken to the West Kent Hospital, where he died. (The family story is that he was kicked in the head by a horse)
My Great Grandmother and five children were then forced to leave the tied-cottage and moved to Canterbury, where they lived in a slum for many years.
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That was hard work to finally find that it was a building within a few hundred yards of our old business premises...
Both my sons were born there, we had the 3am dash for the first. My wife got some strange looks when she was asked about how often the contractions had been, and she said that she had to stop timing them that evening while she mucked out the stables. Luckily I'm allergic to horses :)
Meanwhile, back on topic, where is this pillbox? The road is a busy A road that I suspect many of us (certainly me) have used many times.
Mid Kent
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A20?
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Not the A20.
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I've found a photo of a similar one near Teston but haven't located it yet?
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Might help to consider what it might be defending.
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The West Kent Hospital is visible on the 1870 6" OS map as "Genl Hospital (West Kent)". See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.0&lat=51.27465&lon=0.52894&layers=257&b=1&o=100 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.0&lat=51.27465&lon=0.52894&layers=257&b=1&o=100) for the overlay map.
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There were six pillboxes in the immediate area
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There were six pillboxes in the immediate area
Found it. On the A26, opposite the gatehouse to Barham Court, Teston.
51.25616241702654, 0.45048372543646553
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That's the one JW. The undergrowth obscures it nowadays.
I looked about for context and found this: http://www.pillbox-study-group.org.uk/gazeteer/home-front-defence-sites/england/kent/defending-teston-bridge-kent/
Over to you JW
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Thanks JohnFilmer. That seems like a lot of protection for that particular bridge. I wonder why it was so important?
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As part of GHQ Stop Line it would be expected to delay and hopefully compartmentalise invading German troops while mobile Allied defenders could be used to better effect.
The weir and lock probably had some strategic significance in maintaining the river as a navigable route.
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Next one ...
What is name of building and where?
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A church somewhere in Kent. Possibly Catholic. Is it still in use as a church?
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Last time I saw it, it was boarded up.
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But it was a church? And was it Catholic?
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Sorry MartinR - I only half answered your question. Yes, it was a church. Pentecostal Evangelical Christian Church.
Head for the eastern side of the county.
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We've had GTPs in this area before.
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Is this Broadstairs, John?
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Is this Broadstairs, John?
Not Broadstairs DTT but in the right general area of the county.
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Park to the east, Water to the west. Large overgrown graveyard is adjacent.
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Water not sea?
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Water not sea?
It's the sea :)
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A special school nearby was closed and demolished in recent years. (That should help)
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Gotcha!
I’ve had a few goes lately so will hold off and give someone else a shot.
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Thanks for the Clue John Walker, it's Emmanuel Church, Victoria Road, Margate. Zion Cemetery next to it.
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Well done Beachbum. (And JohnFilmer for finding it but holding back)
The demolished special school opposite was The School for Deaf Children.
https://historyof.place/the-lucky-few/ (https://historyof.place/the-lucky-few/)
Over to you ......
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Thanks John Walker, I was lost before that final clue.
Next one has a different building now, but the same to the side........
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Found it but will hold off for now.
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Same coast, holding off for now . :)
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Bonus points if you can name the property that was previously next door?
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A nice local one for me. Wellington Crescent, Ramsgate. For the bonus point, the Truro Court Hotel. And for another point, a mystery tunnel thrown in for good measure! :)
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Well done DTT, it is Truro Court Hotel.
The Bonus point would be for Chylton Lodge (see plan).
The previous Truro Lodge was purchased by the Vye Famiy the day before Auction in 1907.
I remember the whole Site being sold on as a Investment Building Plot, eventually being to expensive to develope. Eventually being de-valued and Homefleet House sheltered housing built.
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Thanks BB. Nice documents there. My mother worked for Vyes in Rochester.
Now,where is this. No clues yet.
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Gun emplacements?
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I believe so.
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White Cliffs area?
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Is that a main line railway running left to right in the upper half?