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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8793 on: August 05, 2023, 12:16:07 PM »
Boughton Monchelsea Place has similar archways but I can't locate the one in your photo. 

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8792 on: August 05, 2023, 11:48:56 AM »
You are heading in the right direction keep going South'ish.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8791 on: August 05, 2023, 11:35:55 AM »
Most of my data was on a 5-disk RAID5 set.  I'd had a hot spare for ages, but started the conversion to RAID6 to improve reliability (irony)!  During the first critical phase the new disk went out, and the superblock was unrecoverable. :-\  I reconfigured and restored 90% of the data, but the filesystem where I keep the virtual machines isn't backed up - I back up the VMs themselves.  The latest VM I was working on didn't yet have a backup system (that was what I was working on) when the crash occurred.  At least I know that my backup system (with the exception of the latest VM) works, there's no test like real life!

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« Reply #8790 on: August 05, 2023, 11:21:44 AM »
Thanks for the co-ordinates MartinR.  Disc failure - the stuff of nightmares.  I hope it doesn't take too long to get back to normal workings.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8789 on: August 05, 2023, 11:07:18 AM »
Appologies for the abscence.  I suffered a catastrophic disk failure and have been rebuilding my system and trying to redo temporary work that I hadn't yet backed up.

Location information for the gun emplacement at St. Mary's Bay:
  • Nat Grid:                   TR 36771 44269
  • Nearest Post Code:   CT15 6DZ
  • Co-ords (WGS84):     51°08'55"N,001°23'02E or 51.14868,1.38403

Little Kit's Coty:
  • Nat Grid:                   TQ 74418 60391
  • Nearest Post Code:   ME20 7DE
  • Co-ords (WGS84):     51°18'57"N,000°30'05"E or 51.31589,0.50141

Lympne Saxon shore Fort (Portus Lemanis):
  • Nat Grid:                    TR 11842 34231
  • Nearest Post Code:   CT21 4NS
  • Co-ords (WGS84):     51°04'06"N,001°01'20"E or 51.06830,1.02226

Bearsted, Holy Cross:
  • Nat Grid:                   TQ 80081 55510
  • Nearest Post Code:   ME14 4EE
  • Co-ords (WGS84):     51°16'13"N,000°34'48" or 51.27029,0.58012

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8788 on: August 05, 2023, 10:19:25 AM »
Archbishops Palace, Maidstone?

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8787 on: August 05, 2023, 10:04:56 AM »
Not Rochester more central.

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« Reply #8786 on: August 05, 2023, 09:20:03 AM »
Quick guess - Rochester?

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« Reply #8785 on: August 05, 2023, 08:28:45 AM »
Where are you all hiding,no guesses yet!
                                   
                                     1st Clue .Central Kent. :)

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8784 on: August 04, 2023, 11:12:32 AM »
Thanks Cat . Nice to have you back in the playing field.
Lets see who can guess where I saw this crest?

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« Reply #8783 on: August 04, 2023, 07:59:14 AM »
Congratulations grandarog, it is indeed Holy Cross church in Bearsted. A church I once worked at many years ago, but not as long ago as this pic, which is a hand coloured postcard from the early twentieth century. Thankfully the ivy, despite looking pleasantly rural, has all been eradicated from the tower as it usually does untold amounts of damage to masonry.

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Re: Guess the Place
« Reply #8782 on: August 03, 2023, 06:39:03 PM »
Pretty sure that's the Holy Cross Church at Bearsted .
Your photo is very old. :)
PS I visited about 5 years ago to check a name on the War Memorial in the Churchyard and it was all fenced off with a notice saying it was dangerous.

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« Reply #8781 on: August 03, 2023, 03:57:10 PM »
Still a very controversial subject as some archaeologist still say its polygonal, whilst others say it was traditionally rectangular. I favour the rectangular shape following the most recent excavations (c.1980) suggested the north wall at least was originally built on a series of driven oak piles forming a roughly east - west line and the masonry was constructed over these. Land slippages subsequently built soils against its outside (northern) face until the wall was pushed off its oak pile foundations and slid in sections down slope to form the pointed shape we see today. this process is still ongoing, so the fort may change shape again.

Here is my next church offering, but where?

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« Reply #8780 on: August 03, 2023, 01:55:17 PM »
Thanks, CAT.  Very informative.  I wondered why it was so irregular in shape.

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« Reply #8779 on: August 03, 2023, 01:21:22 PM »
Many thanks JohnWalker, still here just exceptionally busy and keeping me away from the computer.

If you are all ready for it, the info on the fort below is taken from its official listing as being:

Remains of Portus Lemanis, or Stutfall Castle, which was partially excavated by C. Roach Smith in 1850 and Sir Victor Horsley in 1894. Today it consists of an irregular shaped fort with east, north and west walls surviving and was one of the Saxon Shore forts of the last quarter of the 3rd century. It is a Scheduled Ancient Monument and its remains are very fragmentary owing to numerous springs in the clay soil on which it was built. These caused landslips to occur with large portions of the main outer walling having either fallen, or been thrown out of their original positions, whilst the south wall has largely disappeared entirely. The remaining walling, constructed of typical Roman masonry with tile bonding courses varies between 3.7m and 4.5m in thickness and stands in places to a height of about 5.0m. Three bastions survive at the north, northwest and southeast corners whilst the sites of two more can be identified in the middle and at the south end of the southwest side. There is now no trace of gateways or posterns.  Published excavations by Roach Smith located a second century altar, covered with salt water barnacles, reused in a gate platform dedicated by L. Aufidius Pantera, Commander of the British fleet c. AD 133 or soon after. This and tiles of the Classis Britannica suggest a naval base nearly a century before the construction of the fort. Later excavations by Barry Cunliffe between 1976 and 1978 failed to reveal an underlying Classis Britannica base but further reused masonry and an uninscribed altar and more tiles stamped by the Classis Britannica were found. It seems likely that the Classis Britannica base did not lie beneath the later Saxon-Shore fort, but the ruins were fairly close when Stutfall Castle was built. It is quite likely that the base has already disappeared because of the erosion along the coast. The excavation allowed tentative reconstructions of the east gate, which appears to have been of at least two storeys, and the fort plan. It is thought that the fort was built in the late third century and abandoned c 350 AD. Most of the circuit of the walls, of irregular polygonal plan, can be traced, but the greater part is fallen and large chunks of the walls and towers lie about. It is built of flint with the bonding courses and had semi-circular bastions. Substantial portions of the perimeter walls run along the NE and W boundaries. In places these have collapsed enbloc. Practically all the dressed stone has been robbed exposing core stonework. Some dressed stone however survives on west side.  The springs have caused serious subsidence and and slipping of the Roman walls, giving a confusing impression, but originally the walls enclosed a semi-rectangular fort 10-11 acres in extent. They were 12-14 ft thick and 20ft high. Externally a number of semi-circular bastions projected from the wall. The main gate lay in the centre of the east wall; not much can be seen, but Victorian excavations showed it to be a simple opening flanked by two bastions. Two masonry buildings have been excavated inside, the principia, and a small bath suite. The fort was probably built in the 280s under Carausius, but judging from quantities of earlier material there must have been a naval base here in the 2nd century. Coin evidence suggests abandonment about 370, possibly because of the land-slipping. In 1943, Mrs E S G Robinson presented to the Haverfield Library Sir Victor Horsley's field notes of the 1893 excavation in the east part of the south ramparts, plus a report of what was found in four of the seven trenches dug. The scale plan, photographs, pottery, coins and metal objects were all missing and there was no account of work in 1894. Studfall Castle was visited by members of the Royal Archaeological Institute on 29th July 1896. Stutfall Castle seems to have occupied a broad point of land forming the north shore of a strait separated by a wide tract of marsh and sandbank from the mainland. This sea channel gradually disappeared to become part of Romney Marsh, but excavation has demonstrated that the shoreline was originally 1.8m below the present level of the marsh. The siting of the fort and its Classis Britannica predecessor, with the command of this narrow estuary, made good strategic sense enabling it to control all shipping entering the harbour, and to oversee the transport of the iron mined and extracted in the Weald. Air photographs in 1945-1952 showed the threat to the site with the Wealden clays slipping downhill. This resulted in buildings being displaced, and the fort-wall shifting. This has led to a suggestion that perhaps the fort was originally rectangular and it is the land movement that has caused its irregular shape. However, B. Philp believes that with the available evidence, Roach Smith's reconstruction of a pentagonal plan to the fort is the best suggestion. He believes that the movement may have not been as much as suggested, and the majority of shore-forts built at the end of the 3rd century, were in fact trapezoidal. At Lympne where the steep slope of the hill was a major consideration, a pentagonal plan is probably the most likely possibility.

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